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Название: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 06, 2020, 23:30:45
The Do You Spik Inglish Game

Opening remarks
Внимание, случайные прохожие
Это необычная (учебная) игра. Запись действует только через мои ЛС. Действует фейс-контроль. Могу принять в игру, могу не принять.


Attention to the invited players!
Общие правила игры в «мафию» все знают (если подзабыли – бегом спрашивать). Но этот вариант – необычный. Он не просто письменный – он медленный. Такой темп позволяет усложнить правила и сделать игровой процесс более аналитичным. Не пугайтесь объёму правил: ещё до старта игры у вас есть пара дней освоиться. Сейчас (до начала Ночи 1) можно писать на русском и задавать любые вопросы. Спрашивайте про любую мелочь! Впрочем, сама игра обычно только раскачивается первые игровые сутки или двое – во время игры тоже не стесняйтесь неспешно осваиваться, спрашивать и переспрашивать. Все необходимые детали запомнятся, а если нет – они всегда под рукой. Рекомендую сразу держать при себе листочек и ручку или программу-заметку: некоторые вещи удобней записывать.
Если непонятно, как вообще всё это выглядит и как им пользоваться – можно посмотреть, например, в FAQ (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=141.0), соседних играх (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?board=9.0) или на других (https://forum.mafiascum.net/index.php) форумах.
Сам этот форум тоже, наверное, смотрится немного непривычно. Потренироваться в управлении можно у меня в ЛС.

Со стартом Ночи 1 в теме можно писать только на английском языке. (За пределами темы – как угодно). Не стесняйтесь пользоваться любыми переводчиками в обе стороны, словарями, моей помощью, не бойтесь писать слишком просто или с ошибками. Главное – пишите, больше – лучше. Я буду вести игру более-менее сложным около-художественным языком. От вас никакой художественности также не требуется.

A-a-and once we've all gathered here in London today, honorable ladies and sirs, let us accept some out-of-game gentlemanly rules, shall we?


Game Rules (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GeeJEqLa1tDumajtBSPmNkXCscICKJWq/view?usp=sharing)



Prologue
2077 CE, London, the capital of Great Britain, Inc. It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. The sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead station. The vile wind was swirling gritty dust and newspaper shreds. At the end of the street, a large coloured hologram had been projected on the pavement. It depicted simply an enormous face, more than six metres wide: the face of a woman of about unbelievably old age, with a lovely salad green hat and the pinkish metallic glow emanating from the depth of her eyes.

Queen Elizabeth II-2.0, having gone through an impressive series of augmentations a few decades ago, managed to turn London initially in a city-state, independent from the rest of the remnants of the old glorious British Empire. Next, London became a giant financial corporation and at the same time—it's headquarters, with millions of employers. The team of her loyalists, carefully crafted, eventually made the queenly business the world finance monopoly, rebuilding the Empire, vaster and mightier than ever.

The whole world gradually plunged into desperation, living for one goal: to cover the debt it owed the Queen. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. Money's nowhere to find, punks are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do. The air turned unfit to breathe and the food turned unfit to eat, and people are drugged with tap-supplied tea and VR sets, escaping to Cyberspace—a consensual hallucination experienced daily by billions of legitimate operators, in every nation around the world, while some local influencer tells us that today we had fifteen suicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that’s the way it’s supposed to be.

In 2077 London, among them, was voted the worst city to live in. Sky-high rate of violence and more people living below the poverty line than anywhere else are the main issues. You can’t deny that it’s all true—but everybody still wants to live here. This city’s always got a promise for you. It might be a lie, an illusion—but it’s there, just around the corner, and it keeps you going. It’s a city of dreams and hopes. And many big dreamers, dreamers of hope and freedom, showed themselves in these tumultuous times—and they came to their goal much closer than one could think.




Game Roles (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hadBrIEOj703KwiuWcB9VdgK0q148PiV/view?usp=sharing)

Roles look like this:
Role Name
Flavor text
Status: negative/positive. Wording doesn't matter.
Weapon: armed/unarmed. Wording doesn't matter.
Ability: names don't matter, it's easier to call them after their effect (kill, heal, check, block, etc.)

Priority Order
A. Unblockable
01 Traits (Passive abilities)
02 Mimicry*, Offers (Overhaul, Darjeeling, Assam, Chifir, Turing test) // offers go through & answer needed anyway, but effect can be blocked. If Turing test blocked, Liz gets results without publishing. The action that was mimed has the same priority as the original action and is executed immediately after it.

B. Action manipulations
03 Rabbit Hole // If Alice and Blocker order each other, Alice wins, otherwise she can be blocked
04 Watchdog, Meme, Chifir/block // Any Blocker can be blocked; mutually directed, blocks cancel out each other (fail due to block).
05 Darjeeling, Assam, Bribe // cancel blocks if successful, but can be blocked themselves

C. Data
06 Yahoo!, Arms collector, Old Guard// to get acquaintance before lose ability later same night
07 Big Brother (+Old foe), Intimidation (+Old foe), Authority
08 Turing test (publication)
09 Drink Me

D. Life
10 Presentiment
11 (a) Hard Cash (b) Solidarity (c) Overhaul
12 Passive protections
13 (a) Last goodbye, (b) Mafia kill/Cleanup/Headshot (c) November 5th (d) Haircut (e) Chifir+kill // if kill each other, both die
14 Veteran: simultaneously with the attack

E. End day data
16 Solicitude
17 White hat

FAQ
General notes
- The game starts in full capacity from Night 1. No "no-kill nights", no "no-lynch days", no "let's be friends week", no nothing. Ultraviolence right off the bat.
- No dead roles are announced neither in the morning news nor in the evening ones. Some hints are possible, though. Read the newsletters carefully.
- I don't accept any Night Actions during the day. I don't count any votes given during the night. That is to say unless you have an emergency and want to leave your order before going offline.


Night

1. Abilities are divided into Active Abilities (Actions) and Passive Abilities (Traits). You need to go out at night in order to do Actions, while Traits work permanently. All your Actions are enumerated; Traits are not. If you have 2 different Actions, you have to choose 1 that you use that night. You can also skip your turn and do nothing. In any case, write me during the night so that I know that that's your decision and not an offline.

2. Mafia Kill. The Hand has 1 kill every night. One of The Hand goes for a kill instead of his/her personal Action (in other words, Mafia Kill is an Action shared by the group). If there is only 1 The Hand member left alive, he/she can do both Kill and 1 of Actions at the same time. In this case, both Actions can be blocked, seen or otherwise changed by other players. Mary Poppins' Actions are exceptions as she needs to use them together with the Kill Action in order to make them work.

3. Acquaintance means the ability to talk to each other directly. Mafia gets a chat on any platform of their choice, with GM's presence. They can discuss there anything and anytime they want. The same goes for Labour Union (we have an additional chat comprising Jeeves, Oliver, and me). The same goes for Old Guard from the night they get to know each other. In all other cases, any communication between the players outside this thread is strictly prohibited. Any violation of this rule may lead to Modkill.

4. Cooldown Rule. Any kind of Protection (Overhaul, Hard Cash, Solidarity, Assam) and Action manipulation (Watchdog, Meme, Darjeeling, Chifir, Intimidation, Eloquence, Rabbit Hole) cannot be applied to one player two nights in a row. Likewise, Bennet's Turing test and Orlando's Mimicry have a 1-day cooldown.

5. Priority Order. All actions are executed in strict order (e.g. blocks go first, healings go last). For example, changing action's target goes before blocks. That means that if Alice redirects Jekyll and Jekyll blocks Alice, then Hyde's Action will be redirected to someone else. I will publish the full Priority Order list, but the main thing for you to know now is that I don't have any liberty to manipulate the Night results in any way here.

6. ...Night Results. At the end of the night, the players get the results of their actions. They get either Fail message, Success message, or Idle message (e.g. Sherlock "successfully" healed someone alive and well). Also, you learn about the redirection of your actions, failed kill attempts that you survived, and any changes in your role (e.g. Sherlock learns when loses his Old Guard ability, Dr Moreau learns when he loses his Authority ability). I'll even try to inform you about all the failed passive abilities (e.g. "You didn't find Moreau" for Sherlock every night), just to double-check. Don't be shy to ask me if I forgot something.


Day

1. Vote is an Action (Day Action), thus, all the Action rules are applied to Votes. (Basically, it explains why you can't manipulate votes of the same person twice in a row.)

2. Vote Count. I'll count all the votes every now and then so that you don't get lost. (But you can take that job if you want). All the Vote manipulations are not displayed during interim vote counts. However, they are displayed when the final Day results are announced. For instance: if Candidate A gets 5 votes, and B – 4 votes, but one of who voted for Candidate B got Intimidated, then in final voting results you'll see 5 and 3 votes accordingly. Also, vote manipulations change the vote limit: if 10 players are left and 1 player is blocked from voting, only 5 votes are needed.

3. Hints. Same, but in short and English: there are hints that the killers leave after successful murders. It means that in the Night results that I publish in this tread, there are some hints to the player that murdered. At first, the hints are rather difficult to crack (trust me), but the later phase the game is in, and the more murders the same player performs, the easier the hints get. The hints may be given to the player's nickname, avatar, status or signature, so do not change them until the game ends! They are an important part of the game mechanics.

More questions!

0. I'm not sure how X works.
ASK ME! NOW!

1. What is counted as Sherlock's success (that gives him additional data)?
If he saved someone's life from a real murder attempt.

2. Is Killing and Lynching the same?
Basically, yes. I just use the word Lynching for votings. But they all die horribly.

3. Some abilities protect from "one kill attempt", while others—from "all attempts". What's the difference?
The difference is minuscule but real: if one player gets two Kills on the same night, only the all-attempts-protection will save him. No type of protection saves from Heashots (as they "ignore one protection"). But if the player has more than one protection, then the Headshot won't work.

4. I didn't get that Bennet's Turing test feature.
It's tricky, yes. It has several important limitations.
a. It must be general questions (so that one can answer "yes" or "no").
b. They must not include any roles. ("Do you know Mary Poppins?")
c. They must not repeat. (By asking the same question three times, you could get a 100% proof answer). It also means that it must not be the same question, but rephrased in different words.
d. The interviews must not repeat from night to night; at least one question must be changed.
What questions are allowed? Well, something like this: "Are you armed?", "Are you sociable / Do have friends?", "Did you visit X last night?", etc. Be creative, but compose them carefully.
Also, e. Bennet has a cooldown and can't test herself.

5. Will I spend my special action if I don't have a Success result?
Yes. Use them wisely.

6. What does "offers" mean? Who would agree to take in chifir?
It means that the player gets an offer of something at night. It might be any sort of tea or Sherlock's Overhaul, but the target doesn't know what they've been offered. So, it's a sort of Russian roulette but with lots of prizes.

7. Does the block prevent a player from visiting his target? (Asking for my friend Jeeves).
Yes, if you're blocked, then you're social-distanced for the night.

8. What if Biggles shots and gets shot dead the same night? Where does his single shot go to?
It is used accordingly to the Priority order. Counterattack is used simultaneously with the killer's Action.

9. What if, say, Marple check Sherlock, but Sherlock's been already killed the same night?
Marple stands upon Sherlock's body and yells "No-o-o!" for a minute, yet they're still getting acquainted (i.e. get the chat).

10. Can the Mafia Kill be doubled by Darjeeling?
No, it's not a certain's role ability. But the killer gets the ability to do his/her personal ability along with the kill.

11. What is counted as "unwelcome actions" Assam can protect from?
Any action that doesn't benefit the target, except for killings. Here's the list.
For everyone: Intimidation, Big Brother, Watchdog, Meme, Rabbit Hole, Chifir
Only for non-Survivalists: Yahoo!, Arms collector, Solicitude, Drink Me, Turing test
Only for Todd: Presentiment

12. Can I have a list of Alice's "Action types" for Drink Me?
Of course, there you are.
Life: Hard cash, Headshot, Haircut, November 5th, Overhaul*, Last goodbye, Presentiment, Solidarity, Chifir (50%)
Data: Cleanup, Big Brother*, Yahoo!*, Arms collector*, Solicitude, Drink Me, Turing test
Action: Bribe, Watchdog, Meme, Rabbit Hole, Darjeeling, Assam, Chifir (50%)
Communication: Intimidation, Authority. When the marked (*) abilities fulfill Traits' requirements (Old Guard, Old foe), they're also seen as Communication actions.
Mimicry: no permanent type. It is seen of the type that was mimed by Orlando, Example: Orlando mimes Solicitude, then Alice checks Orlando and gets the "Data" result because Solicitude is a Data-type Action.

13. Can Orlando use two different Actions with the same effect in a row? E.g. Watchdog for Night 1, and Meme for Night 2.
No. The Cooldown rule also works with Mimicry, although a bit differently. Orlando can't mime the same Action type the next Night. Furthermore, Orlando can't copy the Action with the same effect. Here's one more list for my dear listophile friends—all the Actions from one group cannot be mimed one after another.
Block: Watchdog, Meme, Rabbit Hole.
Buff: Authority, Bribe, Darjeeling, Assam.
Protection: Hard cash, Overhaul, Solidarity.
Orlando can't mime Kills and Turing test at all. Kill Actions are: Mafia Kill, Cleanup, Headshot, Haircut, November 5th, Last goodbye, Chifir.

14. What's up with Orlando's statuses?
Easy: they correspond with the Action Orlando mimes that night. Example: Orlando mimes Meme; Meme is Christopher's Action; Christopher is positive and unarmed; consequently, Orlando will be positive and unarmed this night. If Orlando skips the night, the previous night's statuses stand. 

15. Blimey! My tinker is going to blow up because of this stupid November 5th action! Can you tell me a bit more about it?
Okay sure... When Todd tries to blow up Mr X, he is able to kill Mr X and all his guests, including himself (but remember that he has 2 protections), with 50% chance each. I just go down the players list and roll the dice; if one gets 1-3, he/she dies.
For doing this, Todd visits only his target, and not each guest individually. If—with a bit of luck—no one dies, Todd has the Night result "Success, everybody survived".
To defuse the bomb, Jeeves visits Todd. If there's no bomb to defuse, he gets the "Idle" result. If the bomb is defused, Jeeves gets the "Success" result; Todd, the "Fail (defused)" result. It's not a block, as Todd still went out and visited his target.
...I hope I mentioned everything!!



Chronology

Night 1 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298509#msg1298509) | Day 1 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298641#msg1298641)
Night 2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298837#msg1298837) | Day 2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298930#msg1298930)
Night 3 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299102#msg1299102) | Day 3 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299117#msg1299117)
Night 4 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299265#msg1299265) | Day 4 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299294#msg1299294)
Interlude (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299428#msg1299428)
Night 5 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299576#msg1299576) | Day 5 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299613#msg1299613)
Night 6 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299645#msg1299645) | Day 6 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299667#msg1299667)
Day 7 (Finale) (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299814#msg1299814)

Log (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iDZ47JexoLLPRjLhqjLW1Q7y9AyXtWA2Nr_i2wSXK1s/edit?usp=drivesdk)


Survived (2):

14. — Miss Marple
15.   — Griffin the Invisible


London 2077 featured (15+1):

01. — Alice “Smol Bean” Liddel
02. => — jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx
03. — Biggles
04. — Doctor Moreau the Artie
05. — Orlando
06. — Sherlock Watson, MD
07. — Sweeney Todd
08. — LIZ Bennet
09. — Ebenezer Scrooge
10. — Oliver Twist
11. — Christopher Robin
12. — Reginald Jeeves
13. — Mary Poppins
14. — Miss Marple
15.   — Griffin the Invisible
99. (https://mafiaforum.org/Themes/sand/images/useron.gif) George E. G. Watt (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12758) — The Mad Hatter
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 07, 2020, 07:02:14
The registration starts now!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 07, 2020, 08:14:46
Все кто в списке (конец стартового поста) – уже зарегистрировался и может писать здесь свободно. В День 0 можно писать на русском. Все кто не зарегистрировался – у вас двое суток (до 09.04 10:00) на то, чтобы написать мне в ЛС. Го!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 07, 2020, 08:30:59
Let's make England great again!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 07, 2020, 19:03:05
Половина обещавшихся тута. Половину ещё ждём денёк. До вечера доведу роли до релизной версии и приступлю к раздаче.
#staysafe
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 07, 2020, 19:15:46
окей, первым, кто задаст вопрос — буду я. можно ли описывать свои действия как-то художественно (на английском, офк), лол, или нужно сухо, чётко – конкретно, что сделал, кого убил, прогулялся ли и всё в таком духе?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 07, 2020, 20:08:20
Креатив не обязателен по механике, хотя лично  я - исключительно за (:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 07, 2020, 20:36:44
назревает еще один вопросик!при описании можно ли использовать упоминание других игроков? например, я встретил их там-то и мы делали что-то
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 08, 2020, 07:01:04
Помимо того, вы можете описывать что угодно и как угодно. Я могу обыгрывать ваши описания в своих текстах при случае. Но влиять на игру они никак не могут, т.к. для механики игры имеют значения только ваши игровые действия.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 08, 2020, 19:49:04
Должны подтянуться ещё несколько камрадов – и примерно через сутки начнём.
Изучаем пока правила (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CkjWjKu4UPWtPlZNIfWDoa9uGlUXpIpx/view) и роли (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Na8jw3BY-GRcjJjUrKXa36Rg4uhNKus1_VhE05NQquQ/edit)!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 08, 2020, 20:35:33
эта игра не выходит у меня из головы! я просыпаюсь  и первая мысль, которая появляется в моей голове, связана с этой игрой. она еще не началась, но я уже хочу, чтобы она ДЛИИИИЛАСЬ ВЕЧЧЧНООО.
из вышесказанного появляется следущий вопрос!
как долго будет это все длиться? заранее спасибо><
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 08, 2020, 20:36:19
эта игра не выходит у меня из головы! я просыпаюсь  и первая мысль, которая появляется в моей голове, связана с этой игрой. она еще не началась, но я уже хочу, чтобы она ДЛИИИИЛАСЬ ВЕЧЧЧНООО.
из вышесказанного появляется следущий вопрос!
как долго будет это все длиться? заранее спасибо><

выражаю полнейшую солидарность. мне бы хотелось играть вечно. пока не отсохнет последняя нога и не оторвётся последний тромб. (///)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 08, 2020, 20:41:12
эта игра не выходит у меня из головы! я просыпаюсь  и первая мысль, которая появляется в моей голове, связана с этой игрой. она еще не началась, но я уже хочу, чтобы она ДЛИИИИЛАСЬ ВЕЧЧЧНООО.
из вышесказанного появляется следущий вопрос!
как долго будет это все длиться? заранее спасибо><

выражаю полнейшую солидарность. мне бы хотелось играть вечно. пока не отсохнет последняя нога и не оторвётся последний тромб. (///)


пока сердце не откажет! я думаю, что эта игра станет частью нас всех!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 08, 2020, 20:58:31
эта игра не выходит у меня из головы! я просыпаюсь  и первая мысль, которая появляется в моей голове, связана с этой игрой. она еще не началась, но я уже хочу, чтобы она ДЛИИИИЛАСЬ ВЕЧЧЧНООО.
из вышесказанного появляется следущий вопрос!
как долго будет это все длиться? заранее спасибо><

выражаю полнейшую солидарность. мне бы хотелось играть вечно. пока не отсохнет последняя нога и не оторвётся последний тромб. (///)


пока сердце не откажет! я думаю, что эта игра станет частью нас всех!


неужели человек с такими же взглядами на жизнь... :']
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 08, 2020, 21:01:04
эта игра не выходит у меня из головы! я просыпаюсь  и первая мысль, которая появляется в моей голове, связана с этой игрой. она еще не началась, но я уже хочу, чтобы она ДЛИИИИЛАСЬ ВЕЧЧЧНООО.
из вышесказанного появляется следущий вопрос!
как долго будет это все длиться? заранее спасибо><

выражаю полнейшую солидарность. мне бы хотелось играть вечно. пока не отсохнет последняя нога и не оторвётся последний тромб. (///)


пока сердце не откажет! я думаю, что эта игра станет частью нас всех!


неужели человек с такими же взглядами на жизнь... :']


нашелся... чувак, я был бы рад пообщаться с тобой в ирл! пиши мне в личку
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Юми от Апреля 08, 2020, 21:03:39
Я буду с удовольствием следить за этим  :*
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 08, 2020, 21:11:12
эта игра не выходит у меня из головы! я просыпаюсь  и первая мысль, которая появляется в моей голове, связана с этой игрой. она еще не началась, но я уже хочу, чтобы она ДЛИИИИЛАСЬ ВЕЧЧЧНООО.
из вышесказанного появляется следущий вопрос!
как долго будет это все длиться? заранее спасибо><
Вечно :)
Да не знаю, от недели до месяца-полутора. Как пойдёт. Ну а если всем понравится и будет возможность – сделаем сиквел.
нашелся... чувак, я был бы рад пообщаться с тобой в ирл! пиши мне в личку
Так-так... А ЭТО ЧТО ТАКОЕ, А? :pff: НАРУШАЕМ?!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 08, 2020, 21:15:43
Так-так... А ЭТО ЧТО ТАКОЕ, А?  НАРУШАЕМ?!

...НИ В КОЕМ СЛУЧАЕ. мы, можно сказать, спасаем эту тему от всемирного потопа, даже вопросов увеличилось!.. больше не будем.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 08, 2020, 21:21:22
эта игра не выходит у меня из головы! я просыпаюсь  и первая мысль, которая появляется в моей голове, связана с этой игрой. она еще не началась, но я уже хочу, чтобы она ДЛИИИИЛАСЬ ВЕЧЧЧНООО.
из вышесказанного появляется следущий вопрос!
как долго будет это все длиться? заранее спасибо><
Вечно :)
Да не знаю, от недели до месяца-полутора. Как пойдёт. Ну а если всем понравится и будет возможность – сделаем сиквел.
нашелся... чувак, я был бы рад пообщаться с тобой в ирл! пиши мне в личку
Так-так... А ЭТО ЧТО ТАКОЕ, А? :pff: НАРУШАЕМ?!

п п п п простите... я не хотел !  но поддерживаю моего нового коллегу! мы пытаемся раскачать этот молчаливый чат
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 09, 2020, 10:48:37
Кстати говоря, у пары персонажей есть вот такая вот тема:
>if checks N or B, gets acquainted with them
это значит, что игрок может узнать, кто именно скрывается за определённой ролью и в дальнейшем они могут сотрудничать, если я правильно понимаю? :Д
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 09, 2020, 11:06:18
Кстати говоря, у пары персонажей есть вот такая вот тема:
>if checks N or B, gets acquainted with them
это значит, что игрок может узнать, кто именно скрывается за определённой ролью и в дальнейшем они могут сотрудничать, если я правильно понимаю? :Д
хотел бы быть братанами с тобой!
а если серьезно, то может ли участник из ''культа" сдать своих?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 09, 2020, 11:10:53
l10ha, >братанами
брата-а-ан!.. <З

Н-ну, кстати, думаю, что может конечно, это ж от игрока зависит, может, он таким образом от себя подозрения отведёт.
...энивей, я не ГМ, так что за правильность не ручаюсь, но думаю, что так qq
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 09, 2020, 13:25:51
Ух, правильные вопросы задаёте!
Я готовлю большой FAQ, где все такие двусмысленности будут оговорены. Просто не хотелось сходу нагружать ещё одной стеной деталей – так что сходу её осваивать будет не обязательно, но вы всегда сможете проверить все спорные моменты.

Отвечая на ваш вопрос: да, они становятся как маленькая добрая мафия :3 Со своим чатом и всем таким.

PS: осталось 1,5 вакантных места!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 09, 2020, 14:25:41
PS: осталось 1,5 вакантных места!
only 1 mb, except u use face-control block to me.

Мда, скорость печати падает в разы когда я пытаюсь писать так. Я постараюсь закончить вопросы побыстрее.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 09, 2020, 14:50:23
So yeah, like, 1 more to go :D I can make up some new roles though, only that it'll delay the game start for a couple of days again. Well, we'll see.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 10, 2020, 06:41:14
Righty-ho, sires and mesdames, we are about to commence. The registration is closed. I'm sending you the roles; please, confirm that you got yours. I think we'll take a day for this and some other arrangements (e.g. getting The Hand acquainted). Use this time to learn your role, but also—to read the new information that you can see below.

First of all, we have a few important additions and amendments in the rules and in the roles. They're So Important that I'll write them down in Russian!


Из правил п. 12 вычеркнуто слово «прямо». Теперь правило звучит так: «Запрещено раскрывать информацию, известную вам по роли». Это правило распространяется и на «лжевскрытия». За нарушение этого правила могут последовать санкции вплоть до модкилла. Напоминаю, что подобные последствия могут быть из-за нарушений ещё нескольких правил: длительный оффлайн без объяснений; общение вне игровой темы; нарушение правил форума (если коротко – не оскорблять, не разжигать и т. п. – вы всё это знаете); изменение никнейма или информации в профиле во время игры. Всё это звучит, может быть, довольно строго. Но достаточно просто быть душкой – и всё будет хорошо :)

Насчёт последнего момента (изменения в профиле): в п. 6 к «НЕ меняйте отображаемый никнейм» приписано «и другую видимую информацию в профиле». Зачем это нужно?

– Вы могли обратить внимание, что на форуме есть два игровых раздела: РАКИ и УЛИТКИ. Это потому что в раках играют по рангам, а в улитках есть УЛИКИ (hints, хинты). Что это такое? Это то, что убийцы оставляют на месте преступления и что я описываю в «газетах». Как они выглядят? Представим, что у нас есть игрок под никнеймом, э-э, Мишенька, и наш Мишенька сегодня идёт убивать. Я описываю сцену убийства, там много разных слов – и «...рядом с трупом жертвы нашли горшочек мёда». Мишки любят мёд – убивал мишка. Бывают ассоциативные загадки: нашли рядом... рядом нашли... БУР. Потому что мишка БУРый. И вообще какие угодно. Стиль улик в этой игре вы распознаете со временем.
Как правило, хинты, разумеется, гораздо сложнее. Пусть рядом с жертвой нашли блестящий ковш. Блестят звёзды, созвездие большой ковш, оно же – Большая медведица. We need to go deeper! Нашли не ковш, а... четыре. жестяных. банки. Почему? Потому что жесть – материал – алхимический элемент – Юпитер – четвёртый спутник Юпитера назван Каллисто – по мифологии превращена в медведицу. (Жесть? Жесть). И так до бесконечности.
В первые ночи загадки сложные почти до неразгадываемости (я сымпровизировал пример с банками). Чем дальше заходит игра и чем больше убийств совершает одна и та же роль, тем проще становятся улики. В любом случае, улики – это всё-таки скорее подспорье, предложение к диалогу. Не зацикливайтесь на них. У вас и так море информации для осмысления.
Тем не менее, именно из-за улик информацию из профиля, которая отображается в теме игры (никнейм, аватарка, подпись, статус) менять нельзя. Выйдет неловко, если они потеряют актуальность. Кастомизируйте, пожалуйста, свой профиль до конца Ночи 1.

Некоторые роли серьёзно изменились. Прошу прощения за такие поздние и сильные перестановки, но баланс сам себя не поправит, да и избавиться кое-где от лишних сложностей и вероятностей не повредит. Что, эм, um, what has been changed:
1. Poppins does not cut the corpses anymore. Now she can do 2 kills without leaving any trace. Also, her Headshot ability was rephrased.
2. Now Todd cuts the corpses. Instead of random info, he learns the role of his victim.
3. Orlando was heavily reworked. Now they can choose any Action from existing every night, and use it (say, 1st night Overhaul on X, 2nd night Authority on Y...). Two exceptions: no kills, and no repeated Actions for two nights running. Their second ability is eliminated. The target knows about Orlando's visit. Their victory conditions are also replaced: now Orlando has to survive and vote for the losing side the last day before the game ends.
4. Jeeves' Eloquence is replaced with Presentiment; now he controls heat during at night rather than at daytime.
5. Alice redirects players' actions not randomly, but according to the players' list.
6. Bennet's questions have been limited; instead, she gained immunity from Todd's Haircut ability. 'cuz lady Bennet, y'know, ain't got no damn hair to cut, bruh. She's an app.

– The Opening Post has been changed. All the now-irrelevant information was hidden under Spoilers, and the FAQ was added. You can also read the FAQ under the spoiler below. I'll keep writing it as the game proceeds and I get more fresh questions to answer.

FAQ
General notes
- The game starts in full capacity from Night 1. No "no-kill nights", no "no-lynch days", no "let's be friends week", no nothing. Ultraviolence right off the bat.
- No dead roles are announced neither in the morning news nor in the evening ones. Some hints are possible, though. Read the newsletters carefully.
- I don't accept any Night Actions during the day. I don't count any votes given during the night. That is to say unless you have an emergency and want to leave your order before going offline.


Night

1. Abilities are divided into Active Abilities (Actions) and Passive Abilities (Traits). You need to go out at night in order to do Actions, while Traits work permanently. All your Actions are enumerated; Traits are not. If you have 2 different Actions, you have to choose 1 that you use that night. You can also skip your turn and do nothing. In any case, write me during the night so that I know that that's your decision and not an offline.

2. Mafia Kill. The Hand has 1 kill every night. One of The Hand goes for a kill instead of his/her personal Action (in other words, Mafia Kill is an Action shared by the group). If there is only 1 The Hand member left alive, he/she can do both Kill and 1 of Actions at the same time. In this case, both Actions can be blocked, seen or otherwise changed by other players. Mary Poppins' Actions are exceptions as she needs to use them together with the Kill Action in order to make them work.

3. Acquaintance means the ability to talk to each other directly. Mafia gets a chat on any platform of their choice, with GM's presence. They can discuss there anything and anytime they want. The same goes for Labour Union (we have an additional chat comprising Jeeves, Oliver, and me). The same goes for Old Guard from the night they get to know each other. In all other cases, any communication between the players outside this thread is strictly prohibited. Any violation of this rule may lead to Modkill.

4. Cooldown Rule. Any kind of Protection (Overhaul, Hard Cash, Solidarity, Assam) and Action manipulation (Watchdog, Meme, Darjeeling, Chifir, Intimidation, Eloquence, Rabbit Hole) cannot be applied to one player two nights in a row. Likewise, Bennet's Turing test and Orlando's Mimicry have a 1-day cooldown.

5. Priority Order. All actions are executed in strict order (e.g. blocks go first, healings go last). For example, changing action's target goes before blocks. That means that if Alice redirects Jekyll and Jekyll blocks Alice, then Hyde's Action will be redirected to someone else. I will publish the full Priority Order list, but the main thing for you to know now is that I don't have any liberty to manipulate the Night results in any way here.

6. ...Night Results. At the end of the night, the players get the results of their actions. They get either Fail message, Success message, or Idle message (e.g. Sherlock "successfully" healed someone alive and well). Also, you learn about the redirection of your actions, failed kill attempts that you survived, and any changes in your role (e.g. Sherlock learns when loses his Old Guard ability, Dr Moreau learns when he loses his Authority ability). I'll even try to inform you about all the failed passive abilities (e.g. "You didn't find Moreau" for Sherlock every night), just to double-check. Don't be shy to ask me if I forgot something.


Day

1. Vote is an Action (Day Action), thus, all the Action rules are applied to Votes. (Basically, it explains why you can't manipulate votes of the same person twice in a row.)

2. Vote Count. I'll count all the votes every now and then so that you don't get lost. (But you can take that job if you want). All the Vote manipulations are not displayed during interim vote counts. However, they are displayed when the final Day results are announced. For instance: if Candidate A gets 5 votes, and B – 4 votes, but one of who voted for Candidate B got Intimidated, then in final voting results you'll see 5 and 3 votes accordingly. Also, vote manipulations change the vote limit: if 10 players are left and 1 player is blocked from voting, only 5 votes are needed.

3. Hints. Same, but in short and English: there are hints that the killers leave after successful murders. It means that in the Night results that I publish in this tread, there are some hints to the player that murdered. At first, the hints are rather difficult to crack (trust me), but the later phase the game is in, and the more murders the same player performs, the easier the hints get. The hints may be given to the player's nickname, avatar, status or signature, so do not change them until the game ends! They are an important part of the game mechanics.

More questions!

0. I'm not sure how something works.
ASK ME! NOW!

1. What is counted as Sherlock's success (that gives him additional data)?
If he saved someone's life from a real murder attempt.

2. Is Killing and Lynching the same?
Basically, yes. I just use the word Lynching for votings. But they all die horribly.

3. Some abilities protect from "one kill attempt", while others—from "all attempts". What's the difference?
The difference is minuscule but real: if one player gets two Kills on the same night, only the all-attempts-protection will save him. No type of protection saves from Heashots (as they "ignore one protection"). But if the player has more than one protection, then the Headshot won't work.

4. I didn't get that Bennet's Turing test feature.
It's tricky, yes. It has several important limitations.
a. It must be general questions (so that one can answer "yes" or "no").
b. They must not include any roles. ("Do you know Mary Poppins?")
c. They must not repeat. (By asking the same question three times, you could get a 100% proof answer). It also means that it must not be the same question, but rephrased in different words.
d. The interviews must not repeat from night to night; at least one question must be changed.
What questions are allowed? Well, something like this: "Are you armed?", "Are you sociable / Do have friends?", "Did you visit X last night?", etc. Be creative, but compose them carefully.
Also, e. Bennet has a cooldown and can't test herself.

5. Will I spend my special action if I don't have a Success result?
Yes. Use them wisely.

6. What does "offers" mean? Who would agree to take in chifir?
It means that the player gets an offer of something at night. It might be any sort of tea or Sherlock's Overhaul, but the target doesn't know what they've been offered. So, it's a sort of Russian roulette but with lots of prizes.

7. Does the block prevent a player from visiting his target? (Asking for my friend Jeeves).
Yes, if you're blocked, then you're social-distanced for the night.

8. What if Biggles shots and gets shot dead the same night? Where does his single shot go to?
It is used accordingly to the Priority order. Counterattack is used simultaneously with the killer's Action.

9. What if, say, Marple check Sherlock, but Sherlock's been already killed the same night?
Marple stands upon Sherlock's body and yells "No-o-o!" for a minute, yet they're still getting acquainted (i.e. get the chat).

10. Can the Mafia Kill be doubled by Darjeeling?
No, it's not a certain's role ability. But the killer gets the ability to do his/her personal ability along with the kill.

11. What is counted as "negative actions" Assam can protect from?
Any action that doesn't benefit the target, except for killings. I'll put the list later.

12. Can I have a list of Alice's "Action types"?
Of course! But a bit later, okay?

13. Can Orlando use two different Actions with the same effect in a row? E.g. Watchdog for Night 1, and Meme for Night 2.
No. "Action type" rules also work here, although a bit differently. Orlando can't night-block twice, but can night-block and then day-block. All the details will be added a bit later. I promise! It's just a lot of lists to do.

14. [Enter your question here]

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 10, 2020, 10:13:01
There (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=897) will be flood!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 10, 2020, 19:57:35
It was raining. The holograms were all leering and the Union Jacks were all dead at the top of their poles. They were trapped in the belly of this horrible machine called London, and the machine was bleeding to death. The sewers were all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides, and a dark wind blew.
Also, free drinks at The Mad Hatter all nite.

Night 1 fell on London.
You may send your Night Actions now. Deadline: 00:00 am, Sunday.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 10, 2020, 22:16:32
Important note: the players are allowed to write in this thread at night. Sometimes it is prohibited, but it's a different time now.
Just in case.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 10, 2020, 23:02:41
Ladies, gentlemen and others, we have a replacement! has been replaced by ! Let's greet a new prey player!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 10, 2020, 23:26:30
Good night.
I will begin with the fact that we have a lazy mafia here with long days. Writing something in the subject before the results of the night is considered excessive. Well besides hello.
But in most cases it happens differently. In a situation where more than half of the players have no role, which means they have no influence on the situation except voting. And that helps. True.
I will not force you to ignore local traditions, although there are no followers in the game besides Shiori and GM.
But if someone wants to comply with them, there are still some things in the roles that can be discussed now. I promised not to start these conversations myself, but I’ll turn on carefully if anyone else guesses.
I propose to reflect on what is worthy of discussion right now, when the peaceful do not have more information than their role (with some exceptions) and an approximate idea of ​​what exactly others have without specifics. A true guess will be sufficient reason for me to count this player closer to the city (with some reservations).

(translator rules).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 00:14:20
Well, and I think we should at least get to know each other.
I suggest everyone who wants to fill out a questionnaire.

1. How you can be abbreviated to call, and what name you do not like.
2. Experience playing the mafia, real or forum.
3. Preferred playing style if you think you have one.
4. What do you consider (by experience or intuitively) a sign of a peaceful player, and what is a sign of a negative player.
5. How well have you read the roles and rules?
6. Any other information that you deem necessary to add to the welcome.

I’ll answer right away (something a lot of text came out)
Спойлер
In short, I am uran. But you can call me my lord  ^_^.
He played at least 100 games in the forum mafia, did not count the real ones.
My communication style in the forum is very neat. I do not like positional play (although I certainly own it). I prefer neutral conversations without recriminations, even if they don’t always succeed. In a game like this, the foundation for me is long-term planning of the capabilities of the faction and the search for who is who is the role-nickname. I am always glad if there is a leader who runs the city to follow him or guide him, according to the situation. But I can become one myself, if there are no volunteers or they are a likely mafia.
But now I’m not playing at full strength (or I’m just saying this so that I’m excused), because there is no leadership and planning only for myself (exceptions are possible). Most likely, I will act either in a positional game, or as it should be a model game.
A sample of the game faithfully sends actions at night, deciphers the results of the night during the day, votes against the lynch, (still guesses hints). Peaceful and the mafia is written out cautiously, and as a rule, these traffic lights - lists of who the city is (green), mafia (red), who is ambiguous (gray or yellow) - are based on information from the night, and in second place on behavior during the day. Of course, as an example, I can’t afford to scorch the results brazenly, but he who has the mind will understand.
For me, the mafia is primarily one who contradicts itself or does not have the opportunity to be some kind of town role, and of all the possibilities to be peaceful, I will probably name only 1, the desire to seek the mafia. I know the roles well enough, and perhaps I could answer almost any question on them no worse than GM if all the nuances were described now. But when they are, it will become true.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 08:11:24
Hello everyone. I'll fill the questionnaire. It's a nice way to start a game by having a little bit more info about all players.

1. Kara is fine, it's also ok to call me Caramel.
2. Long-long ago I played 2 times in the real world but did not win. Regarding forum mafia - I have an experience - around 25 seasons as a player and 8 as a host. But the rules were quite different from those you have here, so I'm a newbie, but it seems that general principles are +/- the same.
3. The playstyle of mine is active, I try to confront players based on some facts/quotes/etc. to gather some info or expose hidden connections. I also once (or sometimes twice or more) per game day write a full analysis of all players. Then based on gathered information I can try to analyze behavior during voting and voting results. So, while I can - I try to play based not on intuition, but on calculations.
4. It's hard to tell as it really depends on a person and his traits. Usually, I distrust those who try to state something like "I'm red, I'll hunt down all the mafia", in each second post, but practically shows nothing. Also, I always think, that a peaceful player is not scared to be lynched during the day, especially when it can give more info to the town, so if someone tries to escape death very persistently - it can be a sign of mafia. Also there really general things like the lack of coordination between the mafia and their obvious connection and so on. I don't think I need to mention all of it as it will be a big list. Once again - it's common to the place where I have played, so it could not work here that good.
5. As I try to play based on analysis - I'm trying to read the roles carefully.
6. I don't think that I have something else to add here, but if you have any questions - I'll be happy to answer.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 08:24:25
Well, if Uranus introduced himself, then I will not miss the opportunity to show myself.
I have many names, past this nickname I am also called Messor, Klaus, Führer, Herr Shmit, The Greatest. Well, I will make an exception for you and you can call me simply Лёха. In general, with regard to the game of the mafia, I’m so overwhelmed in my knowledge that it’s as if I’ve been playing trillions and trillions of the same forums as this forum for a hundred trillion billion years, I absolutely understand this game, and I’m looking for mafes here and - I drive out, drag the rink into solo and defeat this imtine hormone, from merging with the infinitely eternal, from contemplating the great fractal likeness and from this wonderful unity of victory.
Yes it's tough
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 08:26:59
Well, and I think we should at least get to know each other.
I suggest everyone who wants to fill out a questionnaire.

1. How you can be abbreviated to call, and what name you do not like.
2. Experience playing the mafia, real or forum.
3. Preferred playing style if you think you have one.
4. What do you consider (by experience or intuitively) a sign of a peaceful player, and what is a sign of a negative player.
5. How well have you read the roles and rules?
6. Any other information that you deem necessary to add to the welcome.

I’ll answer right away (something a lot of text came out)
Спойлер
In short, I am uran. But you can call me my lord  ^_^.
He played at least 100 games in the forum mafia, did not count the real ones.
My communication style in the forum is very neat. I do not like positional play (although I certainly own it). I prefer neutral conversations without recriminations, even if they don’t always succeed. In a game like this, the foundation for me is long-term planning of the capabilities of the faction and the search for who is who is the role-nickname. I am always glad if there is a leader who runs the city to follow him or guide him, according to the situation. But I can become one myself, if there are no volunteers or they are a likely mafia.
But now I’m not playing at full strength (or I’m just saying this so that I’m excused), because there is no leadership and planning only for myself (exceptions are possible). Most likely, I will act either in a positional game, or as it should be a model game.
A sample of the game faithfully sends actions at night, deciphers the results of the night during the day, votes against the lynch, (still guesses hints). Peaceful and the mafia is written out cautiously, and as a rule, these traffic lights - lists of who the city is (green), mafia (red), who is ambiguous (gray or yellow) - are based on information from the night, and in second place on behavior during the day. Of course, as an example, I can’t afford to scorch the results brazenly, but he who has the mind will understand.
For me, the mafia is primarily one who contradicts itself or does not have the opportunity to be some kind of town role, and of all the possibilities to be peaceful, I will probably name only 1, the desire to seek the mafia. I know the roles well enough, and perhaps I could answer almost any question on them no worse than GM if all the nuances were described now. But when they are, it will become true.

okey. at first I thought it was a strange idea, but idk. maybe this will really help?
you can call me whatever you want.   I always rely on my intuition, maybe it is too bad. but how else to play the first stages?
I read the rules very well.
I didn't answer some questions because I just don't want.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 08:58:15

1. Kara is fine, it's also ok to call me Caramel.
Good, sweet
2. Long-long ago I played 2 times in the real world but did not win. Regarding forum mafia - I have an experience - around 25 seasons as a player and 8 as a host. But the rules were quite different from those you have here, so I'm a newbie, but it seems that general principles are +/- the same.
And in which forum are you soloing?
3. The playstyle of mine is active, I try to confront players based on some facts/quotes/etc. to gather some info or expose hidden connections. I also once (or sometimes twice or more) per game day write a full analysis of all players. Then based on gathered information I can try to analyze behavior during voting and voting results. So, while I can - I try to play based not on intuition, but on calculations.
Writing a full analysis, especially in the early days, is a serious simulation of violent activity. I just have experience in this matter, I also like SVA. I will say this - the more you write a sheet, the more likely you are a maf.
By the way, I am peaceful, and I will look for the mafia, and in general I am very peaceful, and my duty is to expel the mafia, and again I am so peaceful world that the world is peace.
As for the supposedly peaceful “do not resist lynching”, then this is complete nonsense. If you have a red card, you need to grab your teeth with an opponent’s stick and punch yourself in the chest and shout that there are forces, that you are “peaceful and respectable.” And if you don’t give a damn, and you give up, then most of all you play against the peaceful.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 09:19:11
And in which forum are you soloing?
I do not think, that you know, as it's a couple of forums with the very same player united by a certain on-line game, so mafia is just a matter of fun, rather than a primary activity.

Writing a full analysis, especially in the early days, is a serious simulation of violent activity. I just have experience in this matter, I also like SVA. I will say this - the more you write a sheet, the more likely you are a maf.
Really? It's the first time I hear such an opinion. Can I state my reasons and then you'll tell me the weak points of it. 

As a peaceful player, I can write full analysis even based on the entry quotes. Technically it does not matter if it is correct or not from the start. But mafia has to respond to it somehow - that's the exact point of writing an analysis - creating a situation where mafias' actions can become unbalanced. And further days will just worsen their positions when some solid facts will be gathered. Where I have played the common situation that most of the active players and ordinary citizens, while mafia is mostly silent.


As for the supposedly peaceful “do not resist lynching”, then this is complete nonsense. If you have a red card, you need to grab your teeth with an opponent’s stick and punch yourself in the chest and shout that there are forces, that you are “peaceful and respectable.” And if you don’t give a damn, and you give up, then most of all you play against the peaceful.

We have a rule, that you cannot change your voice, once you voted. So if you are an ordinary citizen and in first days collecting votes - it's not the reason to struggle to stay alive, there is a great possibility the Sheriff or Doc will be lynched. You just have to make so good voting analysis as a will - that's it. It's not fully applicable to this setting, but to some extent - perhaps.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 09:37:01
Really? It's the first time I hear such an opinion. Can I state my reasons and then you'll tell me the weak points of it. 

As a peaceful player, I can write full analysis even based on the entry quotes. Technically it does not matter if it is correct or not from the start. But mafia has to respond to it somehow - that's the exact point of writing an analysis - creating a situation where mafias' actions can become unbalanced. And further days will just worsen their positions when some solid facts will be gathered. Where I have played the common situation that most of the active players and ordinary citizens, while mafia is mostly silent.
First of all, you should bring your opinion to the rest of the peace in the most clear and concrete. No need to pour water. I wrote who you see as a maf and why, and then everything will go by itself. And then you will start to write from the first player and you will infuse from your finger 5,000 thousand words. I’m personally a simple person: I see a big post, I don’t read it. I, too, can compose such a play for you with all the consequences on 2-3 pages. But why? After all, I just can write "Vital Maf" and briefly justify why.
We have a rule, that you cannot change your voice, once you voted. So if you are an ordinary citizen and in first days collecting votes - it's not the reason to struggle to stay alive, there is a great possibility the Sheriff or Doc will be lynched. You just have to make so good voting analysis as a will - that's it. It's not fully applicable to this setting, but to some extent - perhaps.
And why expose yourself or the same Doctor, if you can just put the maf? Lol why die peaceful lynching? If you can prove your innocence and agitate to hang a mafa.
I do not understand
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 10:00:43
And why expose yourself or the same Doctor, if you can just put the maf? Lol why die peaceful lynching? If you can prove your innocence and agitate to hang a mafa.
I do not understand
If someone been suspected as a mafia player and started to gather some votes and then started to oppose in a rush and blunt way - there is a big possibility that this person is a mafia. Especially in the first days. As I told, rules were different, interactions were different and even game order was different, so it's based on my experience. I will not rely on that in this game.

First of all, you should bring your opinion to the rest of the peace in the most clear and concrete. No need to pour water. I wrote who you see as a maf and why, and then everything will go by itself. And then you will start to write from the first player and you will infuse from your finger 5,000 thousand words. I’m personally a simple person: I see a big post, I don’t read it. I, too, can compose such a play for you with all the consequences on 2-3 pages. But why? After all, I just can write "Vital Maf" and briefly justify why.

I can show what the analysis I mean by. The more facts there are - the more precise it becomes and reflecting my point of view.

06.  Falcon hunting - has said, that he is peaceful many times. What's the point in that? It's obvious that from the start all players are "peaceful" and desperately searching for the mafia. For mafia, it's quite a straightforward way of playing, so I'd rather think of you as a maniac (one of these 2).

The same goes for each player it the game, that's it. Nice and easy. There are extra situations where it's necessary to fully show something, but in general, such a way of presenting info is enough.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 10:14:33
I can show what the analysis I mean by. The more facts there are - the more precise it becomes and reflecting my point of view.

06.  Falcon hunting - has said, that he is peaceful many times. What's the point in that? It's obvious that from the start all players are "peaceful" and desperately searching for the mafia. For mafia, it's quite a straightforward way of playing, so I'd rather think of you as a maniac (one of these 2).

The same goes for each player it the game, that's it. Nice and easy. There are extra situations where it's necessary to fully show something, but in general, such a way of presenting info is enough.
First of all, I want to find peaceful ones, because the mafia game is not only a search for black players. I’ll find myself allies - I will form a peaceful fist - the collapse of the Mafia’s cabin. And I don’t even need the role of a maniac to win, and in principle I don’t have such a role in this game. And with regards to the fact that I wrote the word "peaceful" several times, it was rofl, I teased you if you did not understand.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 10:18:40
oh... um... em... a lot of text D:... complex and smart words DD:... analytics.. I... I...

Hey!

1. well, ok, obviously Im pastor chivay [хивай, ok? not чивай, thanks], but you can call me just pastor and even Father :3 [anyway you can call me whatever you want, but NOT ЧИВАЙ]


2. so I had never been played mafia until the autumn of 2019 and all i knew was "HOW TO KILL SOMEONE BY CHOSING IT BY YOUR FINGER WITH A CLUE ABSENCE HOW TO PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE". to be serious, even now I'm not sure how forum mafia works, so I am typical newbie.

?. I managed to read a lot on this forum aaand  I saw many ~analytical texts about someone's mafiaful (yep, a new word by me, use it.). if you want to know my position about that: it seems too complicated to me. I can't take it on myself and can't even string words together in sentences, so yeah. anyways I'll keep trying!.. maybe I'll be the one who will do that boring stuff — analytics analytics analytics...
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but I'm scared. plz dont throw a lot of those texts on my shoulders. cuz guess I'll die before the game ends (not in gemz but in real life)
although I consider (or EVEN HOPE) this game will be not so serious but training. even if I'll lose, I'll up my social interactions skills ^^ (or not.)

4. the most suspicious players are not mafia (basically. in general. according to my sad experiences. not always. don't judge me. uh, ok, let's forget what i said.)

5. with regard to roles... I can't say that I know them like my 6 fingers, but c'mon, I always have a google doc with me!

999. God bless you all!

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 10:25:28
First of all, I want to find peaceful ones, because the mafia game is not only a search for black players. I’ll find myself allies - I will form a peaceful fist - the collapse of the Mafia’s cabin. And I don’t even need the role of a maniac to win, and in principle I don’t have such a role in this game. And with regards to the fact that I wrote the word "peaceful" several times, it was rofl, I teased you if you did not understand.
Of course, the mafia game is more than this, for sure.

And, yup, you have teased me and I got it. It was a sample of analysis y'know (or not, who knows). But even if I will use this as such fact it will lead to a nice conversation between us or maybe someone will suspect me or you - it's just a mean of how to undercover some things and create situations where some contradictions could be.

If my way of playing is bad I will go down very soon. But there is the only way to check it - via practice.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 10:26:12
Ok
Чивай so Чивай  :teeth:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 10:27:16
Ok
Чивай so Чивай  :teeth:

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME LIKE THAT?!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 11, 2020, 10:30:36
1. How you can be abbreviated to call, and what name you do not like.
2. Experience playing the mafia, real or forum.
3. Preferred playing style if you think you have one.
4. What do you consider (by experience or intuitively) a sign of a peaceful player, and what is a sign of a negative player.
5. How well have you read the roles and rules?
6. Any other information that you deem necessary to add to the welcome.


You can call me by Any name. Literally Any. Or Anon, or Mouse.

I have little bit experience of forum mafia.

Any style. Not sure of it, really.

Well...Peaceful players are more inclined to logical reasoning. Villains flood the topic and make unfounded accusations.
Sometimes the opposite is true, since many people are illogical and irrational. And the villains, to the best of their ability, will pass themselves off as peaceful.
I think a peaceful player should try to avoid hanging. On the first day, it is difficult to make the right execution. And by the second day, under an unsuccessful combination of circumstances, there could hardly be enough peaceful ones to carry out the execution. Every peaceful player is important.

I have read them once. And will re-read time to time. I believe I will need it.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 10:33:28
First of all, I want to find peaceful ones, because the mafia game is not only a search for black players. I’ll find myself allies - I will form a peaceful fist - the collapse of the Mafia’s cabin. And I don’t even need the role of a maniac to win, and in principle I don’t have such a role in this game. And with regards to the fact that I wrote the word "peaceful" several times, it was rofl, I teased you if you did not understand.
Of course, the mafia game is more than this, for sure.

And, yup, you have teased me and I got it. It was a sample of analysis y'know (or not, who knows). But even if I will use this as such fact it will lead to a nice conversation between us or maybe someone will suspect me or you - it's just a mean of how to undercover some things and create situations where some contradictions could be.

If my way of playing is bad I will go down very soon. But there is the only way to check it - via practice.

I agree, the only way to appropriately evaluate the game is to wait for the ending. But with regards to your analytics, you have already incorrectly given me the role. You can say that I supposedly let you think so about me, but the facts are extremely few and the only phrase or post does not make me a maniac. Somewhere you made a mistake in the calculations
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 10:47:04
I agree, the only way to appropriately evaluate the game is to wait for the ending. But with regards to your analytics, you have already incorrectly given me the role. You can say that I supposedly let you think so about me, but the facts are extremely few and the only phrase or post does not make me a maniac. Somewhere you made a mistake in the calculations

Nope, no mistakes yet as:

Technically it does not matter if it is correct or not from the start.

It's a matter of going into a conversation and provoking others to state their opinion rather than making a precise prediction of your role. Every game should have some confrontation from the beginning. I think that the first day (oh well, here the game starts from the first night) is informative as well, just have to make some pushes.

Also, it would be very funny if you said that I am correct  xD
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 11:00:22
It's a matter of going into a conversation and provoking others to state their opinion rather than making a precise prediction of your role. Every game should have some confrontation from the beginning. I think that the first day (oh well, here the game starts from the first night) is informative as well, just have to make some pushes.
Yes, provocation makes sense. But if you are a provocateur, then you should not be limited to one player, you should act on the rest

Ok
Чивай so Чивай  :teeth:

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME LIKE THAT?!

Listen, did you know that:
Chivay is a city in southern Peru. The administrative center of the province of Cayoma in the Arequipa region. Located at an altitude of 3635 meters above sea level. Near the city is the famous canyon of the Kolka River. 10 km east and 1,500 m above the city is the Chivaysk Obsidian field.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 11:08:55
Yes, provocation makes sense. But if you are a provocateur, then you should not be limited to one player, you should act on the rest
Yup, that's who I am. And I'll do that, just when a little bit more people arrive.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 11:09:54
Listen, did you know that:
Chivay is a city in southern Peru. The administrative center of the province of Cayoma in the Arequipa region. Located at an altitude of 3635 meters above sea level. Near the city is the famous canyon of the Kolka River. 10 km east and 1,500 m above the city is the Chivaysk Obsidian field.

Yep! But did you know that:
Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present Zoltan Chivay! Сhivay is a dwarf, a soldier of fortune, a veteran of the Battle of Brenna, an unassailable optimist, a committed altruist, a lover of rough drinks and rougher songs, a master gwent player and, above all, a dear and loyal friend. That's it. EOD!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 11:12:08
Yup, that's who I am. And I'll do that, just when a little bit more people arrive.
I don’t mean anything, but there is one Chivay who really wants a provocation, if you know what I mean
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 11:19:43
Yup, that's who I am. And I'll do that, just when a little bit more people arrive.
I don’t mean anything, but there is one Chivay who really wants a provocation, if you know what I mean

not really, I'm over this. I'm just clarifying
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 11:20:09
Listen, did you know that:
Chivay is a city in southern Peru. The administrative center of the province of Cayoma in the Arequipa region. Located at an altitude of 3635 meters above sea level. Near the city is the famous canyon of the Kolka River. 10 km east and 1,500 m above the city is the Chivaysk Obsidian field.

Yep! But did you know that:
Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present Zoltan Chivay! Сhivay is a dwarf, a soldier of fortune, a veteran of the Battle of Brenna, an unassailable optimist, a committed altruist, a lover of rough drinks and rougher songs, a master gwent player and, above all, a dear and loyal friend. That's it. EOD!

Oh ... So you're krasnolud . Well ... Of all that I understand, you love something solid. Okay, okay, I won’t joke, I’m above this (a cut above that’s for sure)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 11:21:41
Yep! But did you know that:
Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present Zoltan Chivay! Сhivay is a dwarf, a soldier of fortune, a veteran of the Battle of Brenna, an unassailable optimist, a committed altruist, a lover of rough drinks and rougher songs, a master gwent player and, above all, a dear and loyal friend. That's it. EOD!

I don't know about dwarfs or whatsoever but are you a Hungarian as Zoltan is a common name there (e.g. Zoltan Ribli)?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 11, 2020, 11:31:19
, this Zoltan is a famous character from the Witcher universe.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 11:34:11
I don't know about dwarfs or whatsoever but are you a Hungarian as Zoltan is a common name there (e.g. Zoltan Ribli)?
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They say it's the game of kings. That chess teaches one to think strategically. What a load of rubbish!...
i don't think so. Chivay is Mahakaman.


Oh ... So you're krasnolud . Well ... Of all that I understand, you love something solid. Okay, okay, I won’t joke, I’m above this (a cut above that’s for sure)
Great joke. I'll come up with something like that but later D^:<
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 15:47:58
Where is everyone? 3 people write in the subject. Do the rest want to make modkill?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 16:00:30
I promised to write something about each player, but with such activity -  it's an impossible mission.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 11, 2020, 16:21:21
, , do you remember that this game is "educational"? And the word "educational" there does not mean "mafia" in the first place. In addition, communication before the results of the first night is optional. Although it would be useful in some ways.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 16:33:06
, , do you remember that this game is "educational"? And the word "educational" there does not mean "mafia" in the first place. In addition, communication before the results of the first night is optional. Although it would be useful in some ways.


lol I disagree with your statement
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 16:37:48
Falcon hunting,  Kara_Mel, do you remember that this game is "educational"? And the word "educational" there does not mean "mafia" in the first place. In addition, communication before the results of the first night is optional. Although it would be useful in some ways.

Yes, this game is educational in terms of English, is it not? Perhaps it should lead to even more active post-writing. And the mafia is still the mafia.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 11, 2020, 16:38:44
Game Roles 1.2f* Update Released:

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1. Mafia Kill: “One of them must go for a kill” => “One of them can go for a kill”
2. Authority: “doubles the player’s voice” => “gives the player’s voice +1 value
3. Mimicry: “uses any action available in the game, except for kills” => “uses any action available in the game, except for kills and Turing test
4. Old Guard (Sherlock): “if checks Ms Marple or Biggles” => “if visits Ms Marple or Biggles”. Same with Sherlock's Old foe
5. Assam: “...protection from all negative actions” => “protection from all unwelcome actions but kills
*f means that this Roles version is likely to be final and any other fixes are not expected.

Updated FAQ entries:

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11. What is counted as "unwelcome actions" Assam can protect from?
Any action that doesn't benefit the target, except for killings. Here's the list.
For everyone: Intimidation, Big Brother, Watchdog, Meme, Rabbit Hole, Chifir
Only for non-Survivalists: Yahoo!, Arms collector, Solicitude, Drink Me, Turing test
Only for Todd: Presentiment

12. Can I have a list of Alice's "Action types" for Drink Me?
Of course, there you are.
Life: Hard cash, Headshot, Haircut, November 5th, Overhaul*, Last goodbye, Presentiment, Solidarity, Chifir (50%)
Data: Cleanup, Big Brother*, Yahoo!*, Arms collector*, Solicitude, Drink Me, Turing test
Action: Bribe, Watchdog, Meme, Rabbit Hole, Darjeeling, Assam, Chifir (50%)
Communication: Intimidation, Authority. When the marked (*) abilities fulfill Traits' requirements (Old Guard, Old foe), they're also seen as Communication actions.
Mimicry: no permanent type. It is seen of the type that was mimed by Orlando, Example: Orlando mimes Solicitude, then Alice checks Orlando and gets the "Data" result because Solicitude is a Data-type Action.

13. Can Orlando use two different Actions with the same effect in a row? E.g. Watchdog for Night 1, and Meme for Night 2.
No. The Cooldown rule also works with Mimicry, although a bit differently. Orlando can't mime the same Action type the next Night. Furthermore, Orlando can't copy the Action with the same effect. Here's one more list for my dear listophile friends—all the Actions from one group cannot be mimed one after another.
Block: Watchdog, Meme, Rabbit Hole.
Buff: Authority, Bribe, Darjeeling, Assam.
Protection: Hard cash, Overhaul, Solidarity.
Orlando can't mime Kills and Turing test at all. Kill Actions are: Mafia Kill, Cleanup, Headshot, Haircut, November 5th, Last goodbye, Chifir.

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14. What's up with Orlando's statuses?
Easy: they correspond with the Action Orlando mimes that night. Example: Orlando mimes Meme; Meme is Christopher's Action; Christopher is positive and unarmed; consequently, Orlando will be positive and unarmed this night. If Orlando skips the night, the previous night's statuses stand. 

15. Blimey! My tinker is going to blow up because of this stupid November 5th action! Can you tell me a bit more about it?
Okay sure... When Todd tries to blow up Mr X, he is able to kill Mr X and all his guests, including himself (but remember that he has 2 protections), with 50% chance each. I just go down the players list and roll the dice; if one gets 1-3, he/she dies.
For doing this, Todd visits only his target, and not each guest individually. If—with a bit of luck—no one dies, Todd has the Night result "Success, everybody survived".
To defuse the bomb, Jeeves visits Todd. If there's no bomb to defuse, he gets the "Idle" result. If the bomb is defused, Jeeves gets the "Success" result; Todd, the "Fail (defused)" result. It's not a block, as Todd still went out and visited his target.
...I hope I mentioned everything!!

communication before the results of the first night is optional.
True that.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 16:40:35
, , do you remember that this game is "educational"? And the word "educational" there does not mean "mafia" in the first place. In addition, communication before the results of the first night is optional. Although it would be useful in some ways.


lol I disagree with your statement
it is important when you know who you are playing with. you want to turn the game into a boring, learning-only game? :,( :,( :,(

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 16:42:02
KaraMel answers 1st. I think he more green.
Probably the mafia would take a wait and see attitude.
Because under my own power I left two options for action - to obey or oppose.
And the mafia does not know which way the city player would choose. Therefore, the most likely behavior of the maf would be a wait-and-see attitude - to wait until someone else says something.
The goose openly fell under this behavior of the probable mafia. Well, with the exception that if he understood that the peaceful react favorably, he would try not to stand out and give the most complete answer possible. Therefore, I will not yet confidently call him suspicious. But I did not like the moment, if peaceful does not see that someone’s idea is good, he will say so directly, because he is not afraid to come into conflict with the mafia.

For more analytics, I certainly lack answers.
I remind you that there are reasonable things that can be done now.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 16:47:25
I think he more green.
Just a little remark - she, not he. I'm a woman.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 16:51:37
I note that I am insidious enough to make a similar mistake with someone in the conference room and knowing his gender.
Since I do not play at full strength, I am forced to warn about such things. But as a rule, this method is working. He doesn’t know gender - not in one conference.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 17:02:35
KaraMel answers 1st. I think he more green.
Probably the mafia would take a wait and see attitude.
Because under my own power I left two options for action - to obey or oppose.
And the mafia does not know which way the city player would choose. Therefore, the most likely behavior of the maf would be a wait-and-see attitude - to wait until someone else says something.
The goose openly fell under this behavior of the probable mafia. Well, with the exception that if he understood that the peaceful react favorably, he would try not to stand out and give the most complete answer possible. Therefore, I will not yet confidently call him suspicious. But I did not like the moment, if peaceful does not see that someone’s idea is good, he will say so directly, because he is not afraid to come into conflict with the mafia.

For more analytics, I certainly lack answers.
I remind you that there are reasonable things that can be done now.
I'm sorry, I made you think that. I was lazy to answer questions.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 17:37:01
I hope the leader will appear, because after Goose’s answer, I get the opinion that they want to see me in spite of reluctance.
Definitely no one wants to discuss something in the cast? I know the controversial points quite well, and the discussion helps to make the right choice for those citizens who have not carefully read.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 17:43:04
Oh, damn it, there is nothing impossible. My motto is “the day without analysis is not a day”. And even there is nothing too major happened I will still generalize things.
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Time for a little joke!

I’m using RGB style to say about player’s color. R – red (the town), G – gray (not defined), B – black (the mafia). As for maniacs (neutrals) if such thought will cross my mind – I’ll directly write it.
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01.  pastor chivay – guy, that wants to have his name pronounced as Khivay but not with Ch sound. There is hard to say something about him except, that I’m having some trouble with reading such text. He also stated that the most suspicious players are not the mafia, but how do you define the meaning of a word suspicious? For now – gray.
05.  l10ha – relying on the intuition is not a good idea when it’s bad. I terrified to imagine how the game will be going… Gray.
06.  Falcon hunting – as Donald J. Trump says – we had a nice conversation and it’s a deal! Not in this case, no. If to see his staring post:
I absolutely understand this game, and I’m looking for mafes here
I’m fully aware, that it’s a funny way to start the game. But everything written by the strong player has a reason behind it. So if assume that it’s true – mafia will try to slay such an experienced player with a full understanding of a game as he could be dangerous, isn’t it? So why does he make himself such a desired victim? I see 3 reasons for that, but I’ll state only 2 for now – he wants to be protected by some special character from this setting or he is a mafia himself, so he is not scared of that. There is another compound reason, that is also possible from an experienced player, but if it’s true – I’ll keep it with me for now, no need to ruin it.
14.  Anony-mouse. Cautious with good thoughts, nice to read. Somehow a little similar thought on hanging with Falcon. Otherwise for the first day night seems reasonable. Let’s assume that he is red for a moment.
15.  Uranium235 – started the conversation here offering a nice questionnaire, again emphasizing that he is not playing full strength. Good beginning, but I did not like the statement about intentional gender change, not even that, but pointing to it in a fully opened way. I wanted to give a red card, but I cannot for now. Gray.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 11, 2020, 17:57:17
Well, and I think we should at least get to know each other.
I suggest everyone who wants to fill out a questionnaire.

1. How you can be abbreviated to call, and what name you do not like.
2. Experience playing the mafia, real or forum.
3. Preferred playing style if you think you have one.
4. What do you consider (by experience or intuitively) a sign of a peaceful player, and what is a sign of a negative player.
5. How well have you read the roles and rules?
6. Any other information that you deem necessary to add to the welcome.

I’ll answer right away (something a lot of text came out)
Спойлер
In short, I am uran. But you can call me my lord  ^_^.
He played at least 100 games in the forum mafia, did not count the real ones.
My communication style in the forum is very neat. I do not like positional play (although I certainly own it). I prefer neutral conversations without recriminations, even if they don’t always succeed. In a game like this, the foundation for me is long-term planning of the capabilities of the faction and the search for who is who is the role-nickname. I am always glad if there is a leader who runs the city to follow him or guide him, according to the situation. But I can become one myself, if there are no volunteers or they are a likely mafia.
But now I’m not playing at full strength (or I’m just saying this so that I’m excused), because there is no leadership and planning only for myself (exceptions are possible). Most likely, I will act either in a positional game, or as it should be a model game.
A sample of the game faithfully sends actions at night, deciphers the results of the night during the day, votes against the lynch, (still guesses hints). Peaceful and the mafia is written out cautiously, and as a rule, these traffic lights - lists of who the city is (green), mafia (red), who is ambiguous (gray or yellow) - are based on information from the night, and in second place on behavior during the day. Of course, as an example, I can’t afford to scorch the results brazenly, but he who has the mind will understand.
For me, the mafia is primarily one who contradicts itself or does not have the opportunity to be some kind of town role, and of all the possibilities to be peaceful, I will probably name only 1, the desire to seek the mafia. I know the roles well enough, and perhaps I could answer almost any question on them no worse than GM if all the nuances were described now. But when they are, it will become true.
ok, hi!!! 1/ you can call me Sue.
2/ I played mafia in real life too many times. (i often win ^-^) It's tfe first attempt to play forum mafia. Many things are different.
3/ My style... I like to whisper. I'm not a loud player.
4/ i prefer to not answer at this question.
5/ oh... i read roles and rules one or two times completely. But i'm not sure in my knowledge.
6/ I'm glad to see players with experience in our game.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 17:58:02
But everything written by the strong player has a reason behind it
In fact, I did not immediately think that it was necessary to first let someone conclude on their own, and then destroy the air castle. 4 minutes to answer, plus translation.
But the meaning can really be found.

And I also remind you that with Messor (player 6) I played a little more than 1 game, and I could not select anything to suggest its color. That is, all that you see now from him most likely does not mean anything (if I did not miss something).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:01:29
I hope the leader will appear, because after Goose’s answer, I get the opinion that they want to see me in spite of reluctance.
Definitely no one wants to discuss something in the cast? I know the controversial points quite well, and the discussion helps to make the right choice for those citizens who have not carefully read.
I don't understand you. how can I talk about roles, if you are in the game? if you want to be a leader of kitty-citizenz, what are your functions?
oh  I am goose-леха.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:01:37
4/ i prefer to not answer at this question
I do not demand to name the reason now (perhaps I will ask later). Just interested, there is something more than "just do not want" or not.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:05:39
But everything written by the strong player has a reason behind it
In fact, I did not immediately think that it was necessary to first let someone conclude on their own, and then destroy the air castle. 4 minutes to answer, plus translation.
But the meaning can really be found.

And I also remind you that with Messor (player 6) I played a little more than 1 game, and I could not select anything to suggest its color. That is, all that you see now from him most likely does not mean anything (if I did not miss something).

I'm playing with you all for the first time, so I just pinpointed things that caught my eye. No matter what your role is, I have heard you I took this into account.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:06:18
I’m fully aware, that it’s a funny way to start the game. But everything written by the strong player has a reason behind it. So if assume that it’s true – mafia will try to slay such an experienced player with a full understanding of a game as he could be dangerous, isn’t it? So why does he make himself such a desired victim? I see 3 reasons for that, but I’ll state only 2 for now – he wants to be protected by some special character from this setting or he is a mafia himself, so he is not scared of that. There is another compound reason, that is also possible from an experienced player, but if it’s true – I’ll keep it with me for now, no need to ruin it.
After killing me, the game will then be quite boring. :D

And I also remind you that with Messor (player 6) I played a little more than 1 game, and I could not select anything to suggest its color. That is, all that you see now from him most likely does not mean anything (if I did not miss something).
Can't you say anything for me? Can not be
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:13:05
After killing me, the game will then be quite boring.
That's exactly what I tell when someone wants to kill me where I usually play  xD2
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:14:20
I don't understand you. how can I talk about roles, if you are in the game? if you want to be a leader of kitty-citizenz, what are your functions?
oh  I am goose-леха.
Speak generally. Instead
"I have such a role, or I think you are such a role"
speak
"how much better does Alice know the role of her goal, if she checks in comparison with how she will change the goal"
The leader first of all determines who the lynch is (or nobody - the feature of a particular format allows this). A good leader - selects two players on a personal basis, allowing the rest to choose strictly between them. And he extinguishes conflicts between citizen. And he does not live long despite the fact that priority is given to protection against murders.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:15:50
After killing me, the game will then be quite boring.
That's exactly what I tell when someone wants to kill me where I usually play  xD2
Oh ... We are so much alike. Do you feel the same as me?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:16:10
Oh, damn it, there is nothing impossible. My motto is “the day without analysis is not a day”. And even there is nothing too major happened I will still generalize things.
------------------------------------
Time for a little joke!

I’m using RGB style to say about player’s color. R – red (the town), G – gray (not defined), B – black (the mafia). As for maniacs (neutrals) if such thought will cross my mind – I’ll directly write it.
------------------------------------

01.  pastor chivay – guy, that wants to have his name pronounced as Khivay but not with Ch sound. There is hard to say something about him except, that I’m having some trouble with reading such text. He also stated that the most suspicious players are not the mafia, but how do you define the meaning of a word suspicious? For now – gray.
05.  l10ha – relying on the intuition is not a good idea when it’s bad. I terrified to imagine how the game will be going… Gray.
06.  Falcon hunting – as Donald J. Trump says – we had a nice conversation and it’s a deal! Not in this case, no. If to see his staring post:
I absolutely understand this game, and I’m looking for mafes here
I’m fully aware, that it’s a funny way to start the game. But everything written by the strong player has a reason behind it. So if assume that it’s true – mafia will try to slay such an experienced player with a full understanding of a game as he could be dangerous, isn’t it? So why does he make himself such a desired victim? I see 3 reasons for that, but I’ll state only 2 for now – he wants to be protected by some special character from this setting or he is a mafia himself, so he is not scared of that. There is another compound reason, that is also possible from an experienced player, but if it’s true – I’ll keep it with me for now, no need to ruin it.
14.  Anony-mouse. Cautious with good thoughts, nice to read. Somehow a little similar thought on hanging with Falcon. Otherwise for the first day night seems reasonable. Let’s assume that he is red for a moment.
15.  Uranium235 – started the conversation here offering a nice questionnaire, again emphasizing that he is not playing full strength. Good beginning, but I did not like the statement about intentional gender change, not even that, but pointing to it in a fully opened way. I wanted to give a red card, but I cannot for now. Gray.

u haven't idea how intuitive I am. last night I'll be reading taro cards to find out who the mafia is hahaha. thx you.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:17:51
Speak generally. Instead
"I have such a role, or I think you are such a role"
speak
"how much better does Alice know the role of her goal, if she checks in comparison with how she will change the goal"
The leader first of all determines who the lynch is (or nobody - the feature of a particular format allows this). A good leader - selects two players on a personal basis, allowing the rest to choose strictly between them. And he extinguishes conflicts between citizen. And he does not live long despite the fact that priority is given to protection against murders.
And this is our carry  :cheer:

u haven't idea how intuitive I am. last night I'll be reading taro cards to find out who the mafia is hahaha. thx you.
Man, tarot cards are the last century. Real tashers use a coin to solve complex issues
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:22:55
u haven't idea how intuitive I am. last night I'll be reading taro cards to find out who the mafia is hahaha. thx you.
Man, tarot cards are the last century. Real tashers use a coin to solve complex issues

pfff lol taro cards and coin pfffffff c'mon guys mafia is the one who don't sleep at night
ez
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:23:07
Messor, and you probably know what I want to see.
And he did not promise to play weaker.
And after that you are surprised that I do not define you?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:26:41
Messor, and you probably know what I want to see.
And he did not promise to play weaker.
And after that you are surprised that I do not define you?

Do not understand. Who and where did you identify now?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:28:28
Oh ... We are so much alike. Do you feel the same as me?
It seems that yes, but let's save our irritation about "how life is unfair" till the end of the game  :anger:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:29:05
u haven't idea how intuitive I am. last night I'll be reading taro cards to find out who the mafia is hahaha. thx you.
Man, tarot cards are the last century. Real tashers use a coin to solve complex issues

pfff lol taro cards and coin pfffffff c'mon guys mafia is the one who don't sleep at night
ez


if u want, I can charge you something
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:29:17
someone other than you
Вы не можете сказать что-нибудь для меня? Не может быть
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:29:53
Oh ... We are so much alike. Do you feel the same as me?
It seems that yes, but let's save our irritation about "how life is unfair" till the end of the game  :anger:

They don’t understand me again ...  :sorry:


someone other than you
sorry my french is very very bad

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:33:17
Messor, give advice on the actions of any urban role that you want.
so clear?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:34:31
pastor chivay – guy, that wants to have his name pronounced as Khivay but not with Ch sound.
Yes I Am! В)

There is hard to say something about him except, that I’m having some trouble with reading such text.
:sad:

For now – gray.
IT'S AN HONOR FOR ME TO BE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS GOOSE! THANK YOU!  :sobeauty:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:35:48
I don't understand you. how can I talk about roles, if you are in the game? if you want to be a leader of kitty-citizenz, what are your functions?
oh  I am goose-леха.
Speak generally. Instead
"I have such a role, or I think you are such a role"
speak
"how much better does Alice know the role of her goal, if she checks in comparison with how she will change the goal"
The leader first of all determines who the lynch is (or nobody - the feature of a particular format allows this). A good leader - selects two players on a personal basis, allowing the rest to choose strictly between them. And he extinguishes conflicts between citizen. And he does not live long despite the fact that priority is given to protection against murders.

do you really want to be one?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:38:14
I do NOT want to be a leader, this is too strong an advantage for me, even considering the quick death. Therefore, I hope that someone else wants.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:38:33
pastor chivay – guy, that wants to have his name pronounced as Khivay but not with Ch sound.
Yes I Am! В)

There is hard to say something about him except, that I’m having some trouble with reading such text.
:sad:

For now – gray.
IT'S AN HONOR FOR ME TO BE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS GOOSE! THANK YOU!  :sobeauty:


THX U TOO only you are so kind to the goose :postrock:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:38:38
Messor, give advice on the actions of any urban role that you want.
so clear?


Do you want me to hint at my role? So I can do it when the newspaper appears
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:39:51
I do NOT want to be a leader, this is too strong an advantage for me, even considering the quick death. Therefore, I hope that someone else wants.


what if we just had some advice?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:40:15
Messor, give advice on the actions of any urban role that you want.
so clear?


Do you want me to hint at my role? So I can do it when the newspaper appears
Definitely not, I would like you to help some role to make a slightly better move, because I promised not to do it.





what if we just had some advice?

I do not understand the question
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:41:35
it is important when you know who you are playing with. you want to turn the game into a boring, learning-only game?

I should have written that the game is educational in various ways. And for some participants, entering the game is complicated by both the language barrier and a little acquaintance with the game at the same time. Probably it will be more correct.

12 new answers appeared... And 7 more...

*And outside the window, a crazy old woman shouts about Eltsin and tataro-mongols, and she does not care about the coronavirus. God bless double-glazed windows.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:44:44
Definitely not, I would like you to help some role to make a slightly better move, because I promised not to do it.
I can say one thing: if a role has an “acquaintance” action, then let it use this ability to the maximum. Finding an ally is much more important than the mafa in the early stages of the game. How one head burns well, and two is better
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:45:24
Messor, give advice on the actions of any urban role that you want.
so clear?


Do you want me to hint at my role? So I can do it when the newspaper appears
Definitely not, I would like you to help some role to make a slightly better move, because I promised not to do it.





what if we just had some advice?

I do not understand the question


why can't all kitizens play a. leadership role?

it is important when you know who you are playing with. you want to turn the game into a boring, learning-only game?

I should have written that the game is educational in various ways. And for some participants, entering the game is complicated by both the language barrier and a little acquaintance with the game at the same time. Probably it will be more correct.

12 new answers appeared... And 7 more...

*And outside the window, a crazy old woman shouts about Eltsin and tataro-mongols, and she does not care about the coronavirus. God bless double-glazed windows.


ok I understand you
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:46:37
I do NOT want to be a leader, this is too strong an advantage for me, even considering the quick death. Therefore, I hope that someone else wants.

So that's how you are doing business - a leader, huh. Interesting way, I'd like to see how it looks like as it's something new to me.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:47:39
ths, perfect comment.

Anyone else want advice?
Perhaps the question of Goose has become a little more clear to me now, but let him clarify.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:49:55
ths, perfect comment.

Anyone else want advice?
Perhaps the question of Goose has become a little more clear to me now, but let him clarify.
what?....

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 18:56:02
why can't all kitizens play a. leadership role?
any role.
There are more preferred ones, but I definitely have no right to call them now.

If the question implies why a leader is needed at all, when we have democracy.
That is the answer to it - experience. Conflicts between peaceful ones are an unbreakable phenomenon and the basis of the victory of the mafia. Organization is what the city lacks.
It’s a little difficult for the mafia to vote against anyone who isn’t their own (with some exceptions). For the city, the situation of Swan, Cancer and Pike is, firstly, often characteristic, and secondly, often fatal.

что?....
Better never mind.
I think the post above answered your question anyway.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 19:14:11
why can't all kitizens play a. leadership role?
any role.
There are more preferred ones, but I definitely have no right to call them now.

If the question implies why a leader is needed at all, when we have democracy.
That is the answer to it - experience. Conflicts between peaceful ones are an unbreakable phenomenon and the basis of the victory of the mafia. Organization is what the city lacks.
It’s a little difficult for the mafia to vote against anyone who isn’t their own (with some exceptions). For the city, the situation of Swan, Cancer and Pike is, firstly, often characteristic, and secondly, often fatal.

что?....
Better never mind.
I think the post above answered your question anyway.
thx u :flush:
I just don't know who would want to take on that role
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 19:18:48
Also, I underline this rule
Цитировать
10. Execution demands an absolute majority vote (50% votes plus one). The moment one gets
enough votes, the voting stops immediately and no votes can be changed. If the majority abstains,
or if no clear decision is made until the deadline, day ends without execution.
write to me, easy or hard satisfy this, if 2 town players die tomorrow (mafia and Todd victims).

Why did Messor write the right advice?
Because it's easy to vote together when you know each other at a conference.
But in fact, it is not necessary to understand that someone is a different city and act together.
Therefore, I ask who wants to advise what to do at night to some roles.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 19:34:56
Also, I underline this rule
Цитировать
10. Execution demands an absolute majority vote (50% votes plus one). The moment one gets
enough votes, the voting stops immediately and no votes can be changed. If the majority abstains,
or if no clear decision is made until the deadline, day ends without execution.
write to me, easy or hard satisfy this, if 2 town players die tomorrow (mafia and Todd victims).

Why did Messor write the right advice?
Because it's easy to vote together when you know each other at a conference.
But in fact, it is not necessary to understand that someone is a different city and act together.
Therefore, I ask who wants to advise what to do at night to some roles.
me too agree with him. isn't there a 50/50 chance of death from Todd?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 11, 2020, 19:39:18
I think that those who closely followed the topic have long sent their NA. And vice versa. Those who have not yet sent NA do not follow the topic.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 19:39:34
Я тоже согласен с ним. разве нет вероятности смерти 50/50 от Тодда?
Tods's 1st action is 100% kill except protections and hills.
But in my eyes the one who does not know this will not become a little less possible maniac.

heals*

I think that those who closely followed the topic have long sent their NA. And vice versa. Those who have not yet sent NA do not follow the topic.

May be. Does something follow from this observation? Actions can be changed, for example.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 19:44:12
Я тоже согласен с ним. разве нет вероятности смерти 50/50 от Тодда?
Tods's 1st action is 100% kill except protections and hills.
But in my eyes the one who does not know this will not become a little less possible maniac.

heals*

I think that those who closely followed the topic have long sent their NA. And vice versa. Those who have not yet sent NA do not follow the topic.

May be. Does something follow from this observation? Actions can be changed, for example.
hahhah do you suspect me?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 19:46:29
no more than any other.
not knowledge is not a reason for me.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 19:48:54
no more than any other.
not knowledge is not a reason for me.

what is reason for u? not considering what you wrote above
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 11, 2020, 19:54:08
The main thing is that the mafiosi do not draw conclusions from this conversation, otherwise we will lose someone who was so careless that he undertook to express his opinions before the end of the first night)

Although, how it seems to me, it is much more unpleasant to die without having to say a word.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 19:55:30

what is reason for u? not considering what you wrote above

In addition to any nightly knowledge of the target (for example, if I know such a person was visiting Vasya, he was unlikely to kill Petya at the same time).
For a maniac, not attracting attention is suitable. He does not want the mafia to kill him, even considering the defenses, in order to win later.

The main thing is that the mafiosi do not draw conclusions from this conversation, otherwise we will lose someone who was so careless that he undertook to express his opinions before the end of the first night)

Although, how it seems to me, it is much more unpleasant to die without having to say a word.

I get the impression that you are saying something and at the same time trying not to say anything. So is it better to express an opinion or not?
By the way, the trick is to voice an opinion after the actions cease to be taken, but it does not seem that you mean it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:06:54
The main thing is that the mafiosi do not draw conclusions from this conversation, otherwise we will lose someone who was so careless that he undertook to express his opinions before the end of the first night)

Although, how it seems to me, it is much more unpleasant to die without having to say a word.

Looking at the players I can state for sure - if no experienced players from this forum are in the mafia team - targets will be random. Even if there are - mostly new faces are in the game - pure random (maybe not that pure, but still close to it). So if any way there is a chance to be killed by mafia or maniac - why to be silent?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:09:49
, Are you still sure that Мouse is red now? I definitely had suspicions
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:15:07
pastor chivay – guy, that wants to have his name pronounced as Khivay but not with Ch sound.
Yes I Am! В)

There is hard to say something about him except, that I’m having some trouble with reading such text.
:sad:

For now – gray.
IT'S AN HONOR FOR ME TO BE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS GOOSE! THANK YOU!  :sobeauty:


THX U TOO only you are so kind to the goose :postrock:


i don't understand all of them and all i can is hug you in the corner of this topic :_С

:crying:
  :misery:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:17:20
I get the impression that you are saying something and at the same time trying not to say anything. So is it better to express an opinion or not?

Even if my words do not carry value to the townspeople - communicating in English itself is beneficial :P
I think sharing thoughts is very useful. Extremely helpful. But before the first night, this can be the cause of a sudden death) And stupid me keep talking...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:20:50
, Are you still sure that Мouse is red now? I definitely had suspicions

I cannot fully agree, but it's under the impression of his English skills. I really like 'em. I think, that he was very reasonable in the first posts, but only the phrase about conclusions from conversation seems to be strange as to be silent is not an option in the mafia. Many things are found during debating and it's good practice not to be silent.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:21:02
The main thing is that the mafiosi do not draw conclusions from this conversation, otherwise we will lose someone who was so careless that he undertook to express his opinions before the end of the first night)

Although, how it seems to me, it is much more unpleasant to die without having to say a word.

Looking at the players I can state for sure - if no experienced players from this forum are in the mafia team - targets will be random. Even if there are - mostly new faces are in the game - pure random (maybe not that pure, but still close to it). So if any way there is a chance to be killed by mafia or maniac - why to be silent?
I think the names flicker anyway, soo my tactics of the game 'Keep silent' isn't stupid)


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:22:54
I can’t imagine how a story about how best to act with a role can accelerate death. This is not necessarily your role, after all, nor can it be said that it is definitely not yours.
Well, now tell me the reason why you are not ready to give an opinion after 0 hours, when it will become impossible to change the purpose of the murder.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:25:09
Do you want me to hint at my role? So I can do it when the newspaper appears
Спойлер
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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:26:29
I think the names flicker anyway, soo my tactics of the game 'Keep silent' isn't stupid)
If all the townspeople choose this tactic, how to win? You often won, and you know the way.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:27:34
,
If there is not a single experienced player among the mafia, then the course of the game will be totally unpredictable. If there were at least two experienced players in the mafia, then the likelihood of a disaster for the city would have grown very much. It would be logical to assume that there is one experienced player in the mafia.

, Rome wasn't build in a day)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:29:58
I get the impression that you are saying something and at the same time trying not to say anything. So is it better to express an opinion or not?

Even if my words do not carry value to the townspeople - communicating in English itself is beneficial :P
I think sharing thoughts is very useful. Extremely helpful. But before the first night, this can be the cause of a sudden death) And stupid me keep talking...

ahhahhab they'll hang you in the morning because you have been quiet all along. I'll have to read the taro cards and contact space tonight to stop suspecting u

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:32:38

I get the impression that you are saying something and at the same time trying not to say anything. So is it better to express an opinion or not?

Even if my words do not carry value to the townspeople - communicating in English itself is beneficial :P
I think sharing thoughts is very useful. Extremely helpful. But before the first night, this can be the cause of a sudden death) And stupid me keep talking...

ahhahhab they'll hang you in the morning because you have been quiet all along. I'll have to read the taro cards and contact space tonight to stop suspecting u




you're goddamn right but if you'll talk a lot they can suspect you and hang too :^D
and i don't even know what's better
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:32:54
pastor chivay – guy, that wants to have his name pronounced as Khivay but not with Ch sound.
Yes I Am! В)

There is hard to say something about him except, that I’m having some trouble with reading such text.
:sad:

For now – gray.
IT'S AN HONOR FOR ME TO BE AT THE SAME LEVEL AS GOOSE! THANK YOU!  :sobeauty:


THX U TOO only you are so kind to the goose :postrock:


i don't understand all of them and all i can is hug you in the corner of this topic :_С

:crying:
  :misery:


XOXOXO
I just want to resume that chat with u :...:



I get the impression that you are saying something and at the same time trying not to say anything. So is it better to express an opinion or not?

Even if my words do not carry value to the townspeople - communicating in English itself is beneficial :P
I think sharing thoughts is very useful. Extremely helpful. But before the first night, this can be the cause of a sudden death) And stupid me keep talking...

ahhahhab they'll hang you in the morning because you have been quiet all along. I'll have to read the taro cards and contact space tonight to stop suspecting u




you're goddamn right but if you'll talk a lot they can suspect you and hang too :^D
and i don't even know what's better

yu about me???? :sorry:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:34:53

you're goddamn right but if you'll talk a lot they can suspect you and hang too :^D
and i don't even know what's better
perfect defense is attack, u know?
suspect 1st.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:35:25
pastor chivay, Rome wasn't build in a day)

i'll come prepared next time then
...with tools



you're goddamn right but if you'll talk a lot they can suspect you and hang too :^D
and i don't even know what's better
perfect defense is attack, u know?
suspect 1st.



THANKS FOR ADVICE SUSPECT-LORD


yu about me?

of course no, you're not the only one who talks a lot, just an observation, nothing more  ^_^
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:42:54
Pastor, i say 'u may suspect 1st'.
Now I realized that this is not obvious.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:44:04
Pastor, i say 'u may suspect 1st'.
Now I realized that this is not obvious.

don't worry, I get it
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:46:08
don't worry, I get it

Please state why the lord is suspicious to you.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:46:21
If there is not a single experienced player among the mafia, then the course of the game will be totally unpredictable. If there were at least two experienced players in the mafia, then the likelihood of a disaster for the city would have grown very much. It would be logical to assume that there is one experienced player in the mafia.

I thought that roles are randomly distributed, but do you say that random is biased? Strange knowledge.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:49:44
don't worry, I get it

Please state why the lord is suspicious to you.



you did not understand me. I call you the lord of suspect  :tip:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:50:35
If there is not a single experienced player among the mafia, then the course of the game will be totally unpredictable. If there were at least two experienced players in the mafia, then the likelihood of a disaster for the city would have grown very much. It would be logical to assume that there is one experienced player in the mafia.

I thought that roles are randomly distributed, but do you say that random is biased? Strange knowledge.

everything can be the truth. We can't know certainly.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:52:55
don't worry, I get it

Please state why the lord is suspicious to you.




are u afraid of beginning suspected?you have something to hide? ahahahh
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 20:53:41
If there is not a single experienced player among the mafia, then the course of the game will be totally unpredictable. If there were at least two experienced players in the mafia, then the likelihood of a disaster for the city would have grown very much. It would be logical to assume that there is one experienced player in the mafia.

I thought that roles are randomly distributed, but do you say that random is biased? Strange knowledge.
Even I would not rule out the possibility that GM would not want four newbies to the mafia and throw randomly again. But it’s wrong to play based on it. There will be no evidence.






you did not understand me. I call you the lord of suspect  :tip:

I got it. The question is why.


are u afraid of beginning suspected?you have something to hide? ahahahh
We just learn to formulate suspicions, enlisting the support of other civilians is no less important than finding the mafia. Support without the formulation of suspicions specifically against the mafia (and not peaceful - from the real mafia) is unlikely.

Do you see something bad in my question?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 11, 2020, 21:03:28
I thought that roles are randomly distributed, but do you say that random is biased? Strange knowledge.

This is not knowledge. This is an assumption, possibly incorrect. I assume that the distribution of players is only partially random. It seems logical to me that with a big difference in the experience of the players, it would be worth distributing them as in sports competitions, like through the "baskets". Thus, the mafia would not have gathered most of the experienced players, but would not have been left without them. Maybe I just want too much logic in the chaos of life)


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 21:07:14
I got it. The question is why.

there is no answer. it's just an alternative variation to call you.
...if I replace this with simple "lord" would be this much better? ( "оо)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 21:09:15
This is an assumption, possibly incorrect
Please make an assumption which is possibly correct. I suspect you of a duality of opinion, but I could be wrong. You will help me a lot if you do something that will allow me to change my mind about your address, but it definitely will not help if you don’t do anything.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 21:09:56
This is not knowledge. This is an assumption, possibly incorrect. I assume that the distribution of players is only partially random. It seems logical to me that with a big difference in the experience of the players, it would be worth distributing them as in sports competitions, like through the "baskets". Thus, the mafia would not have gathered most of the experienced players, but would not have been left without them. Maybe I just want too much logic in the chaos of life)

Then you can form a "basket" yourself. Who do you define as an experienced player? Those who played here or those who played IRL or somewhere else? It looks like an accusation against a number of players.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 21:12:12
I got it. The question is why.

there is no answer. it's just an alternative variation to call you.
...if I replace this with simple "lord" would be this much better? ( "оо)


I do not know. In this case, I would not have a Goose question to talk about the importance of argumentation of opinion, and I might forget or not find another reason to talk about what is obvious to me.


Then you can form a "basket" yourself. Who do you define as an experienced player? Those who played here or those who played IRL or somewhere else? It looks like an accusation against a number of players.
I will not deny that one of the goals of the question about the experience of playing in the questionnaire was to collect information for such an assumption if someone wanted to make it.
I note that I do not think the approach itself is correct. But I suspected that someone would want to use it, which means this is a chance to catch on the inconsistency the maf who decides to play from him.
And the fact that I am talking about this now does not change anything, if the accusations are made up, a contradiction will easily appear, the author knows that he is being followed or not.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 11, 2020, 21:26:55
Some other things to say before going to sleep. Order does not matter.

1. Uranium235 playing the first violin now, so seems the leader is decided, huh? I can't say whether it's your peace-style or mafia-style, but as I see it - what you're doing is useful. There are some people that played with you - if something is wrong - they should notice.
2. I don't like empty interactions between Goose and Pastor.
3. Sue left a provocative statement of
I think the names flicker anyway, soo my tactics of the game 'Keep silent' isn't stupid)
It should be some kind of important role, but the hint is way too big.
4. Pastor's phrase is at the same level as Sue's.
you're goddamn right but if you'll talk a lot they can suspect you and hang too :^D
and i don't even know what's better

But there is a difference - Sue kept silent, while Pastor wrote many posts, but mostly useless.

5. Anony-mouse says general phrases about possibilities, but can he provide something more concrete? If the random is biased then who does he think is the mafia and so on.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 21:32:34
Some other things to say before going to sleep. Order does not matter.

1. Uranium235 playing the first violin now, so seems the leader is decided, huh? I can't say whether it's your peace-style or mafia-style, but as I see it - what you're doing is useful. There are some people that played with you - if something is wrong - they should notice.
2. I don't like empty interactions between Goose and Pastor.
3. Sue left a provocative statement of
I think the names flicker anyway, soo my tactics of the game 'Keep silent' isn't stupid)
It should be some kind of important role, but the hint is way too big.
4. Pastor's phrase is at the same level as Sue's.
you're goddamn right but if you'll talk a lot they can suspect you and hang too :^D
and i don't even know what's better

But there is a difference - Sue kept silent, while Pastor wrote many posts, but mostly useless.

5. Anony-mouse says general phrases about possibilities, but can he provide something more concrete? If the random is biased then who does he think is the mafia and so on.



what is wrong with our empty dialogue? should we put on all the black stuff and shut up?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 11, 2020, 21:38:18
I don't like empty interactions between Goose and Pastor.
how cynical. as for me it's a silly remark. it doesn't even concern you a lot, so please, stop judge us and let us keep our relationship as pleasant as they were :3

Pastor's phrase is at the same level as Sue's.

this was an obvious assumption that you can be the suspected one in any case. whatever you do - if you are talking a lot or sitting read only, that's the thing. and you did it - you just suspected both of us because of this, that's what I mean
so this is how it works  :laugh:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 21:40:02
Apart from Messor, there is no one to notice; Shiori and I did not intersect much.
Goose and Pastor really do nothing really. But I don’t think this proves anything yet.
I observed the fear of doing something meaningful among beginners too often, and in general I once was one too, so I understand what is happening.
And I think we can talk with Sue, and this will be enough to take the side. And it will evade like now, just like a mafia.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 11, 2020, 21:40:37
By the time, darkness started slowly waning; tired and sleepy, the Londoners called it a night and occupied their beds.

The first signs of daylight touched the air, although unnoticed, as the mother of all smokes strangled the Great Wen's skies.

Night 1 has officially come to an end. The Newsletter will be announced in several hours and Day 1 will start.

Sweet dreams, mates! (You still can write here tho)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 11, 2020, 22:03:02
By the time, darkness started slowly waning; tired and sleepy, the Londoners called it a night and occupied their beds.

The first signs of daylight touched the air, although unnoticed, as the mother of all smokes strangled the Great Wen's skies.

Night 1 has officially come to an end. The Newsletter will be announced in several hours and Day 1 will start.

Sweet dreams, mates! (You still can write here tho)

man! will I wake up this morning? :postrock:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 11, 2020, 22:46:48
mafia killed by Poppins (95%+) - she has not non-kill ability.
Look for a hint. If he is, probably killing broke through the defense.
Poppins has 2 + 2 charges per game, and there is no way to spend them together without doubling. So either one or the other is most likely.

There will not be much information in the newspaper.
But they will certainly be displayed - murders and unsuccessful shots with a hint of the reason for the failure and successful acquaintances, as well as Bennett's interview.
The rest is optional.
Try to find at least these points or admit that they are not.
If there are 2 successful killings and both with hints, there will still be a clue on the role of the killer.
Do not forget that the name of the newspaper and the picture, if there is one, are also its parts, which can mean something.

Do not forget about the reverse information.
The player knows that he lost his voice. The player knows that he has lost the ability. The player knows that he has received an offer. The player knows that the goal has changed. The player knows that he is in the block. The player knows that he is not in the block, but could not do his plan. The player knows that the attempt on him failed due to treatment.
And this is not a complete list. Do not forget that some of these goals come, here is what I want to remind.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 12, 2020, 12:43:29
The Courier New

Day 1



            Start of New Era? No Murders Tonight

Stranger things are happening around the darker cul-de-sacs of London's streets. As something not seen in years, this morning's Scotland Yard report brings not a single case of homicide. Thank goodness we had at least some bloodshed, or I would have started thinking the end times are near! Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet.

            — Fergus Fume



            Cyberinsecurity Plagues London

The Old Smoke, our beloved Corporation, has never been particularly renowned for providing top-notch commodities to its employees and citizens. However, the latest events mark brand new, groundbreaking levels of negligence and decay that our cybersecurity is capable to reach. Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered. Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark; this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity. One may ask us who is responsible for this debacle. Alas, we all know the answer, aren't we?

            — George E. G. Watt



            Dear readers,

You know how deeply we appreciate your feedback. It is always a pleasure to read your correspondence as we don't stop stumbling upon something that stuns us and leaves in awe of your keenness and your countless talents.  That is why am especially delighted to present to you one amusing letter. After some minor edits, we publish it here for your watchful eyes.

            — Sincerely yours,
              Chief Editor



“Hey guys, there's my first post for you, and tonight I had a chat with Mr shiori!

– Do you know anyone who has already given way to his or her homicidal tendencies?
– No, I don't
– Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?
– No, I haven't...
– Are you keen on stalking people?
– ...No, I'm not.

That's it for today guys, write me what your thinking in comments down below, like the post if you did and ill see u next time!!

            – LIZ”




Day 1 has started. You have about 48 hours to make a decision. You need 8 votes to do it.



Still (somehow) alive:

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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: InVictA от Апреля 12, 2020, 13:10:48
Hmm, what can I say?..
I didn't understand anything.

As the Game Master said, today if there are hints, they will be very difficult. In the end, we should probably vote at random. Do you have any thoughts?

Rus: Хм, ну что можно сказать... Ничего я не понял. Как сказал Game Master, сегодня если и будут подсказки, то очень сложные. В итоге, мы должны, наверно, голосовать наугад. Или у вас есть какие-то мысли?...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 13:22:22
Results have surprised me - no victims, that's rare. I have never played with such a way of presenting information about a day, but I'll try to interpret them somehow.

Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet.

Is this a hint to a murderer or a victim? As I see there is only one hint, though. Maniac, or mafia, or both visited the same person?

Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered.
Looks like a hint on a couple of night action, cannot say for sure whose. jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx maybe as he is a hacker of some sort.

+ There is an interview to be thought about.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 12, 2020, 13:28:51
Now I understand what GM meant when he said that the night was epic :D

Well, I have some thoughts about interview!

It is said that the player must give 2 true answers and 1 false answer. Let's suppose that Shiori gave a false answer to the first question. So, he is not stalking people (but what means by "stalking"? is it mean that he doesn't visit someone or he doesn't check? I don't get it, if you have some thoughts - correct me) and he is unarmed.
>Do you know anyone who has already given way to his or her homicidal tendencies?
If I understood this question properly, it may be about getting to know mafia. So, if Shori lied, he is probably know someone from mafia and he must be one of them.
And, I guess, if Shiori gave a false answer to the second and the third question - probably he is red... But i may be mistaken, so if you have something to add - do this
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 14:10:28
– Do you know anyone who has already given way to his or her homicidal tendencies?

Well, this question is double-edged. On the one hand, it could be interpreted as Pastor said. On the other - there is e.g. the ability of "if checks Hyde, learns about it." from Miss Marple, which can also be used to answer the question. Though it was the first night, so the possibility of the second action in almost 0.

– Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?

Gizmo is a synonym for a gadget is it not? So it covers not all weapons mentioned in the roles.

– Are you keen on stalking people?

Stalking = visit? If yes - the question is way too general as almost each and every role can visit someone. But "keen on" is a point here. Only one role is "keen on" visiting someone - Oliver Twist (must protect some other player from a kill attempt at the cost of his own life).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 14:43:52
I sure that mafia and Todd went to all sorts of people. if everyone wanted to visit the jullik(?)7, he'd be dead for sure anyway.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 12, 2020, 14:45:41
Failed kill due to treatment (?).
Also likely a failed kill due to the block. Or maniac Todd is off.
Numerous hacks. Hyde + Christopher Robin + Orlando + Darjeeling filed to one of the three?

Plus an interview ...

Gizmo, I think, mean weapons, any weapons. There is no need to do a survey about just one type of weapon.

I think "stalking" mean Data(Night Action) -Cleanup(Poppins), Big Brother*(J/H), Yahoo!*(Marple), Arms collector*(Biggles), Solicitude(Jeeves), Drink Me(Liddell), Turing test(Bennet) . But not sure about it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 14:59:53
Results have surprised me - no victims, that's rare. I have never played with such a way of presenting information about a day, but I'll try to interpret them somehow.

Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet.

Is this a hint to a murderer or a victim? As I see there is only one hint, though. Maniac, or mafia, or both visited the same person?

Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered.
Looks like a hint on a couple of night action, cannot say for sure whose. jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx maybe as he is a hacker of some sort.

+ There is an interview to be thought about.


I think you are hiding something. you said, that you were surprised no one did. were you sure that you shot was going to kill person? ;)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 15:04:16
Results have surprised me - no victims, that's rare. I have never played with such a way of presenting information about a day, but I'll try to interpret them somehow.

Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet.

Is this a hint to a murderer or a victim? As I see there is only one hint, though. Maniac, or mafia, or both visited the same person?

Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered.
Looks like a hint on a couple of night action, cannot say for sure whose. jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx maybe as he is a hacker of some sort.

+ There is an interview to be thought about.


I think you are hiding something. you said, that you were surprised no one did. were you sure that you shot was going to kill person? ;)


Based on my experience - it's quite rare result with 2 possible shots and 15 players in the game to have no one killed. It's like to meet a velociraptor on the street dancing rumba.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 15:08:41
Results have surprised me - no victims, that's rare. I have never played with such a way of presenting information about a day, but I'll try to interpret them somehow.

Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet.

Is this a hint to a murderer or a victim? As I see there is only one hint, though. Maniac, or mafia, or both visited the same person?

Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered.
Looks like a hint on a couple of night action, cannot say for sure whose. jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx maybe as he is a hacker of some sort.

+ There is an interview to be thought about.


I think you are hiding something. you said, that you were surprised no one did. were you sure that you shot was going to kill person? ;)


Based on my experience - it's quite rare result with 2 possible shots and 15 players in the game to have no one killed. It's like to meet a velociraptor on the street dancing rumba.


HHHMMMMM may be I agree with you or no
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 12, 2020, 15:17:18
Failed kill due to treatment (?).
Also likely a failed kill due to the block. Or maniac Todd is off.
Numerous hacks. Hyde + Christopher Robin + Orlando + Darjeeling filed to one of the three?

You're right. "Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet." sends us to Sherlock who probably was cure Julik. Regarding to blocks - you should include Chifir which blocks player for night&day too

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 15:30:53
Failed kill due to treatment (?).
Also likely a failed kill due to the block. Or maniac Todd is off.
Numerous hacks. Hyde + Christopher Robin + Orlando + Darjeeling filed to one of the three?

You're right. "Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet." sends us to Sherlock who probably was cure Julik. Regarding to blocks - you should include Chifir which blocks player for night&day too



Besides Sherlock, there is Ebenezer Scrooge who also can protect someone from being killed (2. Hard cash: protects the target from 1 kill. Can bribe in hard cash twice.). Chances of that are not big, but an opportunity exists.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 12, 2020, 15:32:01
,I did not include the chifir in my calculation, since it does not belong to hacks - the newspaper spoke of numerous hacks.
We have two Internet blocker in cast. Plus a specialist in mimicry. Plus Darjeeling, able to increase the number of hacks by one.
You think correctly, but missed the nuance that the newspaper does not say about blocks in general, but about hacks.

Chifir is a rather radical action to perform on the first night)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 12, 2020, 15:42:01
Besides Sherlock, there is Ebenezer Scrooge who also can protect someone from being killed (2. Hard cash: protects the target from 1 kill. Can bribe in hard cash twice.). Chances of that are not big, but an opportunity exists.
We have two Internet blocker in cast.

if Scrooge saved Julik, then the salvation was from Todd and not from Mary. As we know the mafia can consult their decisions with each other and this would be a silly decision to protect the one your ally decided to attack. it would be logical to propose that Mary's action was blocked by one of the hackers, as Anony-mouse said



+or by Orlando

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 15:51:59
Besides Sherlock, there is Ebenezer Scrooge who also can protect someone from being killed (2. Hard cash: protects the target from 1 kill. Can bribe in hard cash twice.). Chances of that are not big, but an opportunity exists.
We have two Internet blocker in cast.

if Scrooge saved Julik, then the salvation was from Todd and not from Mary. As we know the mafia can consult their decisions with each other and this would be a silly decision to protect the one your ally decided to attack. it would be logical to propose that Mary's action was blocked by one of the hackers, as Anony-mouse said



+or by Orlando
Todd doesnt cooperate with mafia



Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 16:01:01
That's why I have trouble with the rebuilding of past events based on such vague results.

"Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet."

If he was a target to be killed:
1) First of all, he is a random target - not one of those who had posts in the topic.
2) I cannot see why a silent person was protected in the first place when there are more active people who needed it for the first night.
3) As for now, I do not see any points, that emphasize that it was Mary or Todd's attempt. And they are in different teams.
4) Maybe it's showing even "survives X kills attempts" passive ability, then it could become more logical, than protecting some random guy by Sherlock.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 12, 2020, 16:37:31
1) First of all, he is a random target - not one of those who had posts in the topic.
2) I cannot see why a silent person was protected in the first place when there are more active people who needed it for the first night.
3) As for now, I do not see any points, that emphasize that it was Mary or Todd's attempt. And they are in different teams.
4) Maybe it's showing even "survives X kills attempts" passive ability, then it could become more logical, than protecting some random guy by Sherlock.

, you see, a significant part of the players who recently appeared on the forum have some familiarity in real life. Although they were encouraged to use ... ahem ... anonymity, not everyone followed the advice.
So, the “random target” may not be completely random.


And I mean the possible nonrandomness of both murder and treatment.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 12, 2020, 16:53:49
1. How you can be abbreviated to call, and what name you do not like.
2. Experience playing the mafia, real or forum.
3. Preferred playing style if you think you have one.
4. What do you consider (by experience or intuitively) a sign of a peaceful player, and what is a sign of a negative player.
5. How well have you read the roles and rules?
6. Any other information that you deem necessary to add to the welcome.
1. Shi / Щи or Ши usually
2. Experienced player & gamemaster
3. Now I am capable only to play in relaxed style
4. I do not like inconsistency & text overflow
5. Mindfully perhaps
6. I am listening some nice trance with Miku Hatsune voice right now ~~ Enjoy, if you could

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 16:54:24
1) First of all, he is a random target - not one of those who had posts in the topic.
2) I cannot see why a silent person was protected in the first place when there are more active people who needed it for the first night.
3) As for now, I do not see any points, that emphasize that it was Mary or Todd's attempt. And they are in different teams.
4) Maybe it's showing even "survives X kills attempts" passive ability, then it could become more logical, than protecting some random guy by Sherlock.

, you see, a significant part of the players who recently appeared on the forum have some familiarity in real life. Although they were encouraged to use ... ahem ... anonymity, not everyone followed the advice.
So, the “random target” may not be completely random.


And I mean the possible nonrandomness of both murder and treatment.

So, do you mean, that this silent Julik1221 is liked and hated by somebody in your group, so it's not a just mere coincidence? I heard, that life is a cruel mistress, but it should have some limitations.

If you are so well informed, I hope you do not mind getting rid of this information failure and fill others (e.g. me, who is grown-up and has no idea about anyone's background) about the relationships in a majority of the players if the game based on someone's personal likings, rather then an objective reality.

As I told - from my point of view - such target by Sherlock is random. By Scrooge - no if it's a mafia player. By either mafia/maniac there is a reason for such kill, but not for protection, that's for sure.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 12, 2020, 17:17:34
I've decided to stop Day 1 at 12:00 PM Monday / 00:00 AM Tuesday.
You have about 30 hours to reach a decision.
It might be changed later, but it's doubtful.

Now I'm trying to stir some offliners up a bit. Seems to be a nontrivial task though.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 12, 2020, 18:06:12
, I don’t think I should go into details. I also doubt my right to do so. The game master can probably say more in PM, if you interested in this matter.
I just pointed out the option that you missed, but which, nevertheless, must be taken into account.

Among other things, you also did not take into account that the victim himself may turn out to be Sherlock. Self-medication is not so rare.

p.s.
Not so many players can be seen in the topic, uh?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 18:20:55
Among other things, you also did not take into account that the victim himself may turn out to be Sherlock. Self-medication is not so rare.

Yes, it's a common thing to use self-protection, and I thought about that matter, but
Цитировать
Overhaul: offers the target a cure from all kill attempts during this night. If successful, learns the target (or targets) of the patient's action.

The highlighted part is important and self-protection ruining it, so it is doubtful that such an important ability will be wasted by a player who didn't write anything even to heal himself. No profit at all.

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Y'know, I don't like this at all. At first, you say that target may not be random, but when I asked for concrete reasons - you just backed off. If you told that - you should have suspicions, right? So name them. At this exact point I'm not interested in GM's opinion, but yours.

It's not nice way of doing things.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 12, 2020, 18:43:21
So, Today s night is really very good - nobody has dead! But Firstly, to my mind, we should have logical conclusion from Liz questions. How everybody know there are 1 false and 2 truly answers. So lets look on it. If Shiori has false answer in question number 1, that could not be because of some things. Gismo it is not only a gadget it is like thing too! So every mafia member exept hacker has gismo to protect her/himself. Maniac has gismo to protect himself too. So about question number 2. If this question is false, he could not be mafia too because the question number one is true. About question number 3 have said before me.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 18:44:35
I said that I know the answer to almost all questions by roles?
Forget, I don’t know exactly what exactly, except for the interview, causes the nick to appear in the newspaper.

Highlights: No killings. At least 1 attempt. An incomprehensible (but important) episode with the nickname of Julik, I will not argue that he is the result of the heals.
Descriptions are very insidious. There is every reason to wait for the complication of the newspaper, if all the townspeople remain alive - such is the artificial balance.
It is not visible to anyone acquaintance. Interview in place.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 19:12:32
I can also say that probably Doctor Moreau the Artie was not able to apply voice doubling, even if I used it.
Why do I think so?
You need 8 votes to do it.
I must clarify, the requirement of 50% + 1 is tied to the number of votes, not players. If the addition of voice had been applied and other voice deprivations had not been applied (Orlando or Chifir). And both are unlikely, manipulating your voice when you have such a large selection of actions is illogical. Well, and as noted above, it is illogical to use Chifir on the first night, there is too little information and the risk of killing the city is too high. And finally, it’s more profitable to look for Sherlock than not to look.
Thus, the fact that 8 votes and not 9 is required for execution says that there are 14 or 15 of them in the game.
I am not claiming anything now, this is just an assumption:
some bloodshed may be the result of intimidation Julik.
Of course, there are no prohibitions on intimidating the mafia, especially if you know that in the newspaper it will be displayed in this way.
Well, and remember that I can be wrong now, I have no evidence.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: InVictA от Апреля 12, 2020, 19:15:21
It's like to meet a velociraptor on the street dancing rumba.
Sorry, but i can't stop laughing  xD2 xD2 xD2
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 19:36:11
As for the apparent lack of killings.
Well, I wouldn’t exactly dump what Todd slept tonight or missed for another reason. Which of course does not cancel out any other reason for his failure. A pass is not a likely move usually, but seeing activity yesterday, I definitely can’t reset it, although I would think about a pass last but not least.

Where is the allusion to the second kill (I don’t have to wait for the pass from the mafia, at least someone was there) I still think.
For instance,
Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark; this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity.

1. Meme: makes a funny meme of the target, blocking them for the night due to a sick burn they have to deal with.
It may be it, although not necessarily, but a similarity is felt.
But why several, doubling the action? Or the Hide block is just woven here too.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 12, 2020, 19:44:28
Y'know, I don't like this at all. At first, you say that target may not be random, but when I asked for concrete reasons - you just backed off. If you told that - you should have suspicions, right? So name them. At this exact point I'm not interested in GM's opinion, but yours.

It's not nice way of doing things.

Well, I'm just a mice guy, so I do things in a mice way. With all due respect, I said only what I could and had the right to say. I have grown up enough to resist pressure attempts.

The highlighted part is important and self-protection ruining it, so it is doubtful that such an important ability will be wasted by a player who didn't write anything even to heal himself. No profit at all.

But also said - self comes first. The player may consider that survival and the chance to form an city's group are more important than a small chance of receiving information.

About interview.
Shiori is an experienced player. So one could try to apply a deeper analysis. To consider not only the roles who he could be. And also consider how good his answer is for each possible role.
Although his status as a "retiree" may indicate that he was not looking for the best options. And an attempt at a deeper analysis using English somewhat exceeds my current capabilities. First of all, it would take a lot of time.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 19:52:12
Y'know, I don't like this at all. At first, you say that target may not be random, but when I asked for concrete reasons - you just backed off. If you told that - you should have suspicions, right? So name them. At this exact point I'm not interested in GM's opinion, but yours.

It's not nice way of doing things.

Well, I'm just a mice guy, so I do things in a mice way. With all due respect, I said only what I could and had the right to say. I have grown up enough to resist pressure attempts.

The highlighted part is important and self-protection ruining it, so it is doubtful that such an important ability will be wasted by a player who didn't write anything even to heal himself. No profit at all.

But also said - self comes first. The player may consider that survival and the chance to form an city's group are more important than a small chance of receiving information.

About interview.
Shiori is an experienced player. So one could try to apply a deeper analysis. To consider not only the roles who he could be. And also consider how good his answer is for each possible role.
Although his status as a "retiree" may indicate that he was not looking for the best options. And an attempt at a deeper analysis using English somewhat exceeds my current capabilities. First of all, it would take a lot of time.



it's better to keep quiet and say nothing if u can't say more

As for the apparent lack of killings.
Well, I wouldn’t exactly dump what Todd slept tonight or missed for another reason. Which of course does not cancel out any other reason for his failure. A pass is not a likely move usually, but seeing activity yesterday, I definitely can’t reset it, although I would think about a pass last but not least.

Where is the allusion to the second kill (I don’t have to wait for the pass from the mafia, at least someone was there) I still think.
For instance,
Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark; this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity.

1. Meme: makes a funny meme of the target, blocking them for the night due to a sick burn they have to deal with.
It may be it, although not necessarily, but a similarity is felt.
But why several, doubling the action? Or the Hide block is just woven here too.





everything is so strange. do we still to hang someone?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 19:57:39
Unsuccessful attempts are important information, they must be displayed!

I increasingly believe that I'm right with bullying because GM had to divert attention from the real reason for the failure of the murder. And tell me what it is, if not a block, if you can. Because in that case there will be a hint. Slime, inconspicuous.

All sorts of decay that our cybersecurity are not something, now in a complex newspaper it would be considered that the assassination would be described as an attack.
In fact, where I see the block (s), Alice may well be.
Active partaker of London’s counterculture movement.

everything is so strange. do we still to hang someone?
We analyze the events of the night in the first place.
Every peaceful one has a fragment of truth, because almost every analysis will be at least a little true. Will remain folded.
Yes, it’s difficult, but you still try to say what happened at night, or at least criticize or confirm my opinion.
I intentionally do not touch on the interview, but I’m trying to evaluate the rest without any discounts, and it’s so difficult.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:09:53
Unsuccessful attempts are important information, they must be displayed!

I increasingly believe that I'm right with bullying because GM had to divert attention from the real reason for the failure of the murder. And tell me what it is, if not a block, if you can. Because in that case there will be a hint. Slime, inconspicuous.

All sorts of decay that our cybersecurity are not something, now in a complex newspaper it would be considered that the assassination would be described as an attack.
In fact, where I see the block (s), Alice may well be.
Active partaker of London’s counterculture movement.

everything is so strange. do we still to hang someone?
We analyze the events of the night in the first place.
Every peaceful one has a fragment of truth, because almost every analysis will be at least a little true. Will remain folded.
Yes, it’s difficult, but you still try to say what happened at night, or at least criticize or confirm my opinion.
I intentionally do not touch on the interview, but I’m trying to evaluate the rest without any discounts, and it’s so difficult.
what are the odds of a player being rescued by accident or saving himself?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:12:17
everything is so strange. do we still to hang someone?

Well, there is no "no-lynch day". Can't say it is good, but so said in FAQ

General notes
- The game starts in full capacity from Night 1. No "no-kill nights", no "no-lynch days", no "let's be friends week", no nothing. Ultraviolence right off the bat.


Game master, can we hung Mr. Nobody?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:13:29
I cannot see why a silent person was protected in the first place when there are more active people who needed it for the first night.
Here I agree with Kara. It is unlikely that someone wants to defend quiet player.

In fact, where I see the block (s), Alice may well be.

Maybe Alice blocked the killers, but what's the thing: "Rabbit Hole: redirects the target’s action to the next living player in the list." The previous player in the list was Bratuxa777, so I don't get why they want to kill him, because there's no difference between both of them.
It most likely that Julik has self-protection, I guess

everything is so strange. do we still to hang someone?
There are not a lot of information we can talk about. All we have now is some hints and Shi's interview, so we can keep discuss around that. And other's participarts still not visited this thread, it's seems like we have to wait  :wind:

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:19:47
Game master, can we hung Mr. Nobody?
Yes, that is an option: If you don’t want to sentence anyone, you can vote for no one (use the noose tag with phrases like “Nobody”, “Hang No One”, “No Vote”, “Abstain”, etc.) (Rule 9). Also, you can just not vote at all (Rule 10: If the majority abstains, or if no clear decision is made until the deadline, day ends without execution), but I would strongly recommend against this option, as the non-voters will be recognized as off-liners.

As for “no no-lynch day”, it is directed to the questions of some players who got used to the games with “Night 0” or “Day 0” features that basically imitate real days/nights, but without any victims, in order to “get to know each other”. I've never really understood this feature, so I denied it here as squarely as I could.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:22:08
There are chances. The question is different - where is this moment in the newspaper.
What is the problem - I don’t remember that at the MF it was customary to describe the nickname of the murder victim who was cured. And GM does not want to confirm that he has his own vision of this issue.
My version is Julik's voiceless (intimidation). Smash it

Maybe Alice blocked the killers, but what's the thing
I mean - perhaps this description is not Robin's block at all. Or just on the heap, with Alice together, since there Several.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:23:08
Just in case (I removed the picture from the Rules)—here's the noose tag:

[attach=1]

Or you can write this: [v]GM[/v]
And you'll get this as the result:
GM


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:31:39
Just in case (I removed the picture from the Rules)—here's the noose tag:

(Ссылка на вложение)

Or you can write this: [v]GM[/v]
And you'll get this as the result:
GM





but can I vote for the man who's in the game? :flush:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:33:36
but can I vote for the man who's in the game?
This is exactly what you're supposed to do  :aranai:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:37:07
but can I vote for the man who's in the game?
This is exactly what you're supposed to do  :aranai:



no no no
can we not vote today? I mean, not hang anyone. but can I vote to put my position straight now?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:39:56
but can I vote for the man who's in the game?
This is exactly what you're supposed to do  :aranai:



no no no
can we not vote today? I mean, not hang anyone. but can I vote to put my position straight now?

Yes You Can
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:40:35
but can I vote for the man who's in the game?
This is exactly what you're supposed to do  :aranai:



no no no
can we not vote today? I mean, not hang anyone. but can I vote to put my position straight now?

Yes You Can


HASHAHHDH THX U :love:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:41:20
You'd better vote, but you have an option to vote for “no one”. Like this, look:

No one


When I count your votes, it looks like this:

Mr X (3): A, B, C
Mr Y (2): D, E
No one (5): F, G, H, I, J

, where the letters A–J are the voters. When “No one” option gets 50%+1 votes (for this day, it's 8 votes), the vote is stopped immediately and no one gets hanged.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:44:26
You'd better vote, but you have an option to vote for “no one”. Like this, look:

No one


When I count your votes, it looks like this:

Mr X (3): A, B, C
Mr Y (2): D, E
No one (5): F, G, H, I, J

, where the letters A–J are the voters. When “No one” option gets 50%+1 votes (for this day, it's 8 votes), the vote is stopped immediately and no one gets hanged.

I know this.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:46:43
Start of New Era? No Murders Tonight

Stranger things are happening around the darker cul-de-sacs of London's streets. As something not seen in years, this morning's Scotland Yard report brings not a single case of homicide. Thank goodness we had at least some bloodshed, or I would have started thinking the end times are near! Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet.

            — Fergus Fume
This is the first kill attempt. It is hard to understand the killer role, I do not see any clear sign of him. The attempt have failed because of Sherlock's curing, if to rely on the mention of the health packs. But. This is the great luck to predict a prey from the fourteen players. So one of the many active and passive defenses can be the alternative cause for the fail. The author's name can contain hint for some info, but also can be just artistic description. Fergus Hume /not Fume/ is the novelist that inspire Arthur Conan Doyle to write A Study in Scarlet. So I think that Sherlock's curing is the more likely version.
Cyberinsecurity Plagues London

The Old Smoke, our beloved Corporation, has never been particularly renowned for providing top-notch commodities to its employees and citizens. However, the latest events mark brand new, groundbreaking levels of negligence and decay that our cybersecurity is capable to reach. Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered. Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark; this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity. One may ask us who is responsible for this debacle. Alas, we all know the answer, aren't we?

            — George E. G. Watt
This is the second kill attempt. There are no names in the article so I think that attempt have failed because of block. Also allusions to current real life in Moscow also suggest about block. The author is Watt. The most famous Watt is the inventor of the steam engine. So maybe the prey was robot /with steam engine lol/ LIZ and the cause of the fail is her immune to Sweeney.
– Do you know anyone who has already given way to his or her homicidal tendencies?
– No, I don't
– Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?
– No, I haven't...
– Are you keen on stalking people?
– ...No, I'm not.
It is the bon ton to offer to others to analyze this article.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:47:39
Well, I'm just a mice guy, so I do things in a mice way. With all due respect, I said only what I could and had the right to say. I have grown up enough to resist pressure attempts.
I'm not satisfied, it left more even more questions.

But also said - self comes first. The player may consider that survival and the chance to form an city's group are more important than a small chance of receiving information.

There is a contradiction in your statement - Sherlock has to look for acquaintances or take down the ability from Moreau the Artie, it has the utmost importance! Self-defense for a silent player is illogical and I do believe no one would use it that way.

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Old Guard: if visits Ms Marple or Biggles, gets acquainted with them.
Old foe: if visits Moreau the Artie, takes down his Authority ability.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:51:07
I find Fume and eg watt and nothing.
Like version, small mistake to Hume and Watt (nоt eg)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:55:18
This is the first kill attempt. It is hard to understand the killer role, I do not see any clear sign of him. The attempt have failed because of Sherlock's curing, if to rely on the mention of the health packs. But. This is the great luck to predict a prey from the fourteen players. So one of the many active and passive defenses can be the alternative cause for the fail. The author's name can contain hint for some info, but also can be just artistic description. Fergus Hume /not Fume/ is the novelist that inspire Arthur Conan Doyle to write A Study in Scarlet. So I think that Sherlock's curing is the more likely version.

Can you explain something please, as it's really not clear to me: if that daily report will say who was planned to be shot - does it mean that his role is closing to red? As if it is true - it's the most undeniable way to prove that you're playing for the town. Is it should be THAT simple? I sense a deception.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 20:57:25
If we assume that the attempt was on the robot.
That not only Liz, but Poppins may be a victim.
The Duke of York. A secret agent of MI-7 that executes all the toughest tasks being undercover as a social worker. Armed to the teeth with the freshest gadgets; probably a cyborg.
Too fabulous of course, an assassination attempt on the mafia.
But the fact that there are options strengthens me in the correctness of the thought about Watt itself - if there were no options, it would become too easy.

This is the first kill attempt. It is hard to understand the killer role, I do not see any clear sign of him. The attempt have failed because of Sherlock's curing, if to rely on the mention of the health packs. But. This is the great luck to predict a prey from the fourteen players. So one of the many active and passive defenses can be the alternative cause for the fail. The author's name can contain hint for some info, but also can be just artistic description. Fergus Hume /not Fume/ is the novelist that inspire Arthur Conan Doyle to write A Study in Scarlet. So I think that Sherlock's curing is the more likely version.

Can you explain something please, as it's really not clear to me: if that daily report will say who was planned to be shot - does it mean that his role is closing to red? As if it is true - it's the most undeniable way to prove that you're playing for the town. Is it should be THAT simple? I sense a deception.

I still do not see the contradictions of intimidation.
The fact that reference to does not mean that it is Sherlock’s action that caused the failure of the murder. Options can be thinner, for example, Orlando decided that the most important thing is his own safety. He can afford to be treated through the night, and he cannot be kicked out during the day - why not start from the very first night.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 12, 2020, 21:06:13
If we assume that the attempt was on the robot.
That not only Liz, but Poppins may be a victim.

And once again we come back to Sherlock again - "...world best sleuth in his imagination, this poor medbot with screwed circuits"
I don't really know what to think about victim  :yawn:


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abbreviation of George E. G. Watt is GEGW. let's search. first result was...
here's the answer.
case is closed.  :grim:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 21:16:53
If we assume that the attempt was on the robot.
That not only Liz, but Poppins may be a victim.

And once again we come back to Sherlock again - "...world best sleuth in his imagination, this poor medbot with screwed circuits"
I don't really know what to think about victim  :yawn:


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abbreviation of George E. G. Watt is GEGW. let's search. first result was...
here's the answer.
case is closed.  :grim:

you're right us usual, bro :stone:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 12, 2020, 21:20:23

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abbreviation of George E. G. Watt is GEGW. let's search. first result was...
here's the answer.
case is closed.  :grim:

you're right us usual, bro :stone:

i knew that! TYSM!


Orlando decided that the most important thing is his own safety. He can afford to be treated through the night, and he cannot be kicked out during the day - why not start from the very first night.
Do you think that the supposed Orlando having night protection also defended himself with another skill?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 12, 2020, 21:35:55
I guess i know how to explain the hint. If we'll search "Hume" and "Watt" together, we'll get  this (https://www.jstor.org/stable/17876?seq=1). It is said that Rufus Suter was the author of this... thing. Let's search for him. If we'll look to the pictures, we can see something interesting...
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(https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2010/155/52663887_127575096551.jpg)
Tadam!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 21:38:25
I would not rule it out completely.
If you are protected by both treatment and external protection, then an ordinary kill will not bring it down.
Besides,
2. Headshot: ignores 1 protection while going to kill. Can snipe 2 times. This ability is used together with the Kill action.
Anyone who reads this understands that the hope of 1 defense is not the most reliable game.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 12, 2020, 21:50:22
Can you explain something please, as it's really not clear to me: if that daily report will say who was planned to be shot - does it mean that his role is closing to red?
Nope. Why? Rather not red. If the kill was from gang than Jullik is not from gang without possibility of redirection that is unlikely. If the kill was from Sweeney than Jullik is not the Sweeney.
As if it is true - it's the most undeniable way to prove that you're playing for the town.
Am I? Or the prey? And why? Do not see a logical relation.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 21:53:42
Can you explain something please, as it's really not clear to me: if that daily report will say who was planned to be shot - does it mean that his role is closing to red?
Nope. Why? Rather not red. If the kill was from gang than Jullik is not from gang without possibility of redirection that is unlikely. If the kill was from Sweeney than Jullik is not the Sweeney.
As if it is true - it's the most undeniable way to prove that you're playing for the town.
Am I? Or the prey? And why? Do not see a logical relation.

I use red as the town and black as the mafia.


Seems my English is clumsy here - will paraphrase this.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 21:58:38
And let's kill some silent player?
Of course, I suspect that today only “nobody” will be able to be kicked out. But you need to at least try, suddenly someone can highlight one silent person over another?

In general, I have more desire to get rid of Sue. The newspaper was not written quickly, and during this time she did not want to answer me or write something of her own.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 12, 2020, 22:00:23
I use red as the town and black as the mafia.
Got it, I thought that town marked by green ~~ Ok, yes, the probability of being good is slightly bigger, but not big generally.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 12, 2020, 22:01:03
Nope. Why? Rather not red. If the kill was from gang than Jullik is not from gang without possibility of redirection that is unlikely. If the kill was from Sweeney than Jullik is not the Sweeney.

That is was meant in general in my reply. If he was not shot by the gang, he is the town (red). Is it way too easy to be true? I mean there is no better way to prove innocence than not to be killed - makes game too easy, that's why I said, that I sense a deception.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 22:07:15
Not only you.
I also don’t believe that it’s just the goal of murder and successful treatment is merged.

And the whole question is - are we two alternative minded or will someone else support the version?

Me and the version that this is the treatment of Orlando, which uses Sherlock’s ability to not like it too much. This may be because it is not so obvious. But still, something is not right. To tell Jeeves or Oliver who is better to protect / recognize the guests, because it will be logical to go finish it seems absurd for a complicated first newspaper.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 12, 2020, 22:16:06
I guess i know how to explain the hint. If we'll search "Hume" and "Watt" together, we'll get  this (https://www.jstor.org/stable/17876?seq=1). It is said that Rufus Suter was the author of this... thing. Let's search for him. If we'll look to the pictures, we can see something interesting...
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(https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2010/155/52663887_127575096551.jpg)
Tadam!

aand - if we come back to the question, and i remind you that the question was: "Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered. Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark; this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity. One may ask us who is responsible for this debacle. Alas, we all know the answer, aren't we?"

so, if it was block, as was said above, then, with hint, Orlando is the answer. Do you have any thoughts about that?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 12, 2020, 22:17:26
Is it way too easy to be true?
But the prey can be Sweeney. Do you have not fear of him? Or Orlando.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 12, 2020, 22:23:13
I guess i know how to explain the hint. If we'll search "Hume" and "Watt" together, we'll get  this (https://www.jstor.org/stable/17876?seq=1). It is said that Rufus Suter was the author of this... thing. Let's search for him. If we'll look to the pictures, we can see something interesting...
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(https://images.findagrave.com/photos/2010/155/52663887_127575096551.jpg)
Tadam!


it is very clever!u are smartest pastor!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 12, 2020, 22:25:10
Could Orlando copy a block?
Yes, Several urban. If not doubling, then a copy of the action is complete.
I have a restrained attitude towards hint, I didn’t really find it through the search, the version that I hint at Sherlock through Arthur’s friend is better, so I don’t need to combine the names anymore.

Of course, applying the block is not optimal. If not treating yourself, then it’s more profitable to get more information. But perhaps the city checks are too weak to make it tasty (but Alice has a pretty good one - no see mb), and therefore the block is a way to find out something.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 07:39:57
The Old Smoke, our beloved Corporation, has never been particularly renowned for providing top-notch commodities to its employees and citizens. However, the latest events mark brand new, groundbreaking levels of negligence and decay that our cybersecurity is capable to reach. Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered. Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark; this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity. One may ask us who is responsible for this debacle. Alas, we all know the answer, aren't we?

If start to look at this as a description of all abilities that passed (or used?), then:
1.
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Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered
Someone has discovered something, perhaps a coalition formed or xXxhydexXx found Marple;
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this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity
Flashmob can be a reference to Orlando, as he is taking the ability from someone.
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Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark;
Very stretched maybe, but can be a hint on Griffin the Invisible and any of his actions - as he has
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Weapon: despair & theanine.
Despair is close to depression and successful night action leads to it's low mark... If combined with
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this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity
together maybe it meant a Darjeeling as a double action. But then the 2nd option is incorrect.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 08:00:26
But the main problem for me arises not from the results of the news, but from activity - 8 players wrote nothing/few posts and this makes the selection process for daily lynching one-sided and not efficient. I don't know about the others, maybe you do have some sort of psychic who can precisely guess who is who even with less-than-half active players. I can suspect only someone from the other 7 players, but knowing there are 4 mafias and 2 maniacs (neutrals) makes the situation even more dramatic.

I usually insist on lynching someone during the day, but it's ok when only 1 or 2 are inactive.  Here I see no other option - vote for no hanging, moving to the next day and hoping for more activity or information available.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 13, 2020, 10:05:59
Well, what can I say about the newspaper and the night in general. Our dear Julik needed a first aid kit, what does this mean? Was he cured at night or did he have the ability to survive, so he survived? This moment is interesting, but what do you think?
The fact that there are no murders is probably another option - the maniac and the mafia shot at each other, and now they are familiar.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 11:35:52
if the silent do not come, then hopes for new information are futile.
Lynch is not possible with less than 50% of the vote. I'm not so optimistic as to believe that there is no significant number of peaceful votes
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 11:46:18
that is, I see the situation like this:
if the number of silent people remains at the current level, then it will be possible to win only if many of them are mafia. Consequently, defeat in all other cases can be recognized now. what is the use of understanding that such and such is peaceful, if his voice for the good of the city will not be?
if someone sees the city has better chances with a different strategy, write it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 13, 2020, 11:55:57
Do I understand correctly that the vote will be held in the same topic?

In general, it all depends on whether a certain group of players starts to play. In the end, all this is a kind of experiment.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 13, 2020, 12:46:37
Here I see no other option - vote for no hanging, moving to the next day and hoping for more activity or information available.

...it remains only to agree. I doubt that other players will appear in the near future (only if GM gives them a kick). with so little activity not much can be solved. I vote for the pass and no lynching
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 13:03:21
In the end, all this is a kind of experiment.

An experiment with such effort from the host? I doubt. If it was just an experiment - the GameMaster would not spend much time on the roles etc. It would be just standard mafia with doc and sheriff.

It's just a matter of disrespect from inactive players.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 13, 2020, 13:39:38
If it was just an experiment - the GameMaster would not spend much time on the roles etc. It would be just standard mafia with doc and sheriff.
Experiments, yay! Science! Fun!
I'm starting to think that it was my mistake, as the combination of unusual format, the third-party website of unfamiliar type, and the language barrier alone are able to make the game challenging enough. Should've done vanilla before trying something more ambitious.
I'm not losing hope and keep trying to liven the spoons up, though. But, I guess, plan B might come in handy. Should I maybe modkill random spoons every Day that had <50% voters?

Also, should I return the standard 48 hours for this vote? It'd prolong Day 1 up to 4 pm tomorrow.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 13:42:53
With such activity, I see only 1 way - to change the voting system from the current 50%+1 to the ordinary majority. So even if 7 players will vote with 4-3 - player with 4 will be jailed.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 13, 2020, 13:44:29
Good idea. What do others think?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 13, 2020, 13:45:13
I totally agree!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 13, 2020, 14:20:58
Okay, Day 1 ends on Tuesday, 4 PM.

A few more players well might honor us with their presence +_+



Day 1 still demands 50%+1 votes to reach a decision.

For Day 2, both the deadline and the voting rules might be changed.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Putin mod.2 от Апреля 13, 2020, 15:03:19
Guys, what does happening?
No one
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 13, 2020, 16:50:36
Guys, what does happening?

On the good side, no one died. On the bad side - some players make others worry if something happened on the other side of the screen.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 17:20:54
Sue Sharlin


I do not believe that you have nothing to say.
I do not believe that I have such difficult questions that they have no answer, or so useless that I am not worthy to receive it.
The mouse is trying to do something. I'm not sure what he did, but I see at least attempts.
Imagine a player who is silent for a minute, how long will he stay at the table? No need to be equal to those who did not come at all or do not know what to say on the occasion of the first time.

Voice against is considered good motivation, check.

Good idea. What do others think?
I always considered this rule (50+) terrible.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 13, 2020, 17:28:33
Sue Sharlin


I do not believe that you have nothing to say.
I do not believe that I have such difficult questions that they have no answer, or so useless that I am not worthy to receive it.
The mouse is trying to do something. I'm not sure what he did, but I see at least attempts.
Imagine a player who is silent for a minute, how long will he stay at the table? No need to be equal to those who did not come at all or do not know what to say on the occasion of the first time.

Voice against is considered good motivation, check.

Good idea. What do others think?
I always considered this rule (50+) terrible.






OOh, PLEASE STOP!!! Please. Stop.
I was buzy////////// Why i became the whipping boy????????? can you repeat your question. And stop, i just now entered at the forum... and... you want to kill me  :face:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 17:35:27
But the method works.
And half of the players would say:
Sue was kicked in the mafia conf.

Doesn’t it seem?
I advise for the future - when such requests appear, keep inactive as much as possible in order to disable this argument against yourself.
I’ll find the question now, so be it.


4/ i prefer to not answer at this question
I do not demand to name the reason now (perhaps I will ask later). Just interested, there is something more than "just do not want" or not.

I think the names flicker anyway, soo my tactics of the game 'Keep silent' isn't stupid)
If all the townspeople choose this tactic, how to win? You often won, and you know the way.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 13, 2020, 17:51:28
And half of the players would say:
Sue was kicked in the mafia conf.

One cannot but agree that the option seems quite possible.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:01:02
But the method works.
And half of the players would say:
Sue was kicked in the mafia conf.

Doesn’t it seem?
I advise for the future - when such requests appear, keep inactive as much as possible in order to disable this argument against yourself.
I’ll find the question now, so be it.


4/ i prefer to not answer at this question
I do not demand to name the reason now (perhaps I will ask later). Just interested, there is something more than "just do not want" or not.

I think the names flicker anyway, soo my tactics of the game 'Keep silent' isn't stupid)
If all the townspeople choose this tactic, how to win? You often won, and you know the way.


let's hang everything who's not active!it's been a hard night. let's leave it at that :omg:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:08:29
But the method works.
And half of the players would say:
Sue was kicked in the mafia conf.

Doesn’t it seem?
I advise for the future - when such requests appear, keep inactive as much as possible in order to disable this argument against yourself.
I’ll find the question now, so be it.


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+quote author=Sue Sharlin link=topic=896.msg1298558#msg1298558 date=1586627837]4/ i prefer to not answer at this question
I ldo not demand to name the reason now (perhaps I will ask later). Just interested, there is something more than "just do not want" or not.

I think the names flicker anyway, soo my tactics of the game 'Keep silent' isn't stupid)
If all the townspeople choose this tactic, how to win? You often won, and you know the way.
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oh, nice step. But i can refute your guesses.
Firstly, i think this technique is used on new faces in the forum. it was deftly. but i think that you can be Sweeney Todd or Orlando who don't matter who will die today.
Secondly, i know you want to hear it. i got a kick by GM. Because he's my teacher at last.

It was a difficult night/ I have nothing to say and i don't understand why i sould be a body on a gallows.




Also i can say that i have two little sisters -> computer is free only in the evening... I thought that enter at the forum once a day is normal... but is't as i see//////////

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:20:53
I never received an answer to both questions.
In any case, I refer to the other half, for which such arguments have the value that sand is in the desert.
In fact, you can go once a day. But the day began yesterday. And the meaning of the call is still not to say hello, but to tell something about the events of the night and / or the players.

For me, it’s far more important that you replay indignantly, the voice today doesn’t mean very much, since gaining 50% + is almost impossible.
And I can’t be Todd, because it’s more important for him not to attract attention to live longer without causing a bullet. But the fact why you do not consider me simply a mafia can be revealed in more detail. Since I know that fact is true, I can more objectively assess the nature of the arguments.

let's hang everything who's not active!it's been a hard night. let's leave it at that
Aren't you interested in Sue's answers?
Nobody is still hanging, anyone can give 1 vote and achieve nothing.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:29:34
I never received an answer to both questions.
In any case, I refer to the other half, for which such arguments have the value that sand is in the desert.
In fact, you can go once a day. But the day began yesterday. And the meaning of the call is still not to say hello, but to tell something about the events of the night and / or the players.

For me, it’s far more important that you replay indignantly, the voice today doesn’t mean very much, since gaining 50% + is almost impossible.
And I can’t be Todd, because it’s more important for him not to attract attention to live longer without causing a bullet. But the fact why you do not consider me simply a mafia can be revealed in more detail. Since I know that fact is true, I can more objectively assess the nature of the arguments.

let's hang everything who's not active!it's been a hard night. let's leave it at that
Aren't you interested in Sue's answers?
Nobody is still hanging, anyone can give 1 vote and achieve nothing.


yeah was wondering what Sue would say about that. yes, she doesn't show up very often, and her identity raises a lot of questions for me. but I have a lot of questions for everyone else  ::)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:30:01
, keep in mind that the mafia, the forum mafia is a game that is not alien to psychological pressure. And when they say that someone will be hanged, this is not necessarily taken seriously. Whatever is done is done with a double or triple purpose. In particular, check your reaction to the statement about your execution, as well as the reaction of other people to the same statement.

And, of course, it would be better if the players looked at the forum more than once a day.

I think I'm playing the role of a good cop right now.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:34:22
yeah was wondering what Sue would say about that. yes, she doesn't show up very often, and her identity raises a lot of questions for me. but I have a lot of questions for everyone else
Do you have a lot of questions for the rest?
So do not keep them to yourself. You do not think that the rest will answer until you ask?
From the whole variety of questions, I suggest choosing 3 and asking them now to three different players. I think that if you have a lot of them, then 3 you can definitely in the near future.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:40:02
But the method works.
And half of the players would say:
Sue was kicked in the mafia conf.

Ha-ha, bravo! It definitely worked very nice. At least she came out. As I asked GM - votes can be changed. May be it's possible to lure others out with such way?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:44:32
yeah was wondering what Sue would say about that. yes, she doesn't show up very often, and her identity raises a lot of questions for me. but I have a lot of questions for everyone else
Do you have a lot of questions for the rest?
So do not keep them to yourself. You do not think that the rest will answer until you ask?
From the whole variety of questions, I suggest choosing 3 and asking them now to three different players. I think that if you have a lot of them, then 3 you can definitely in the near future.
okey.
For Caramel. on of the first day, you distributed people twice over all the colors of the rainbow. I miss this post from u! but what interesting. why did u stop doing that? are u afraid of something?


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:44:49
please/// you need to understand that I didn't want any misunderstandings. I am ready to answer for all your questions that you have accumulated to my humble personality.
we are all on the same plate after all

please/// you need to understand that I didn't want any misunderstandings. I am ready to answer for all your questions that you have accumulated to my humble personality.
we are all on the same plate after all

please ask them again.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:48:46
 I catch myself thinking that such rare appearance of Sue is confusing and i would be interesed in her answers too
Цитировать
Also i can say that i have two little sisters -> computer is free only in the evening... I thought that enter at the forum once a day is normal... but is't as i see//////////
if this the real reason why she was not appear for a long time, well, now we can see the true answers  :yawn:

But the method works.
And half of the players would say:
Sue was kicked in the mafia conf.

Ha-ha, bravo! It definitely worked very nice. At least she came out. As I asked GM - votes can be changed. May be it's possible to lure others out with such way?


i'd like to note that Sue is not the only one who appeared once - maybe twice and said nothing important
so maybe it'll work



Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:49:49
please ask them again.

look quotes up. I ask again.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:51:50
okey.
For Caramel. on of the first day, you distributed people twice over all the colors of the rainbow. I miss this post from u! but what interesting. why did u stop doing that? are u afraid of something?

Some troubles with my laptop's fan led me to open it up, clean close - spend half a day on it. And I have lectures tomorrow to attend with this annoying nosy sound! But it did not help.
Why do I not write it now? Many actions are still happening and voting was prolonged, so I do not need to hurry up. I have some mockups of the post, but still have some work on it.
I will post it near 00:00.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 18:51:54
okey.
For Caramel. on of the first day, you distributed people twice over all the colors of the rainbow. I miss this post from u! but what interesting. why did u stop doing that? are u afraid of something?
3 different players.
This is one. Two more

i'd like to note that Sue is not the only one who appeared once - maybe twice and said nothing important
so maybe it'll work
Try it and you. In the end, when you vote someone, it gives information about your suspicions.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:09:06
Try it and you. In the end, when you vote someone, it gives information about your suspicions.

not sure that i have a questions to other players. I would like to see the presence of others - like and here
And I still waiting to Sue's answers
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:21:46
not sure that i have a questions to other players. I would like to see the presence of others - like  InVictA and  Putin mod.2 here
And I still waiting to Sue's answers
If you have no questions, you can do something so that others may have questions for you.
This method is called provocation. Do not forget to think in advance what questions you were waiting for and what you can say about those who asked or did not ask, although he could.

Sitting exactly will not help calculate the mafia.
Among all the actions that are in the roles, the mafia definitely finds only one:
If you know the only nickname among the guests of the murdered, then he shot. That is, only Jeeves (and Oliver) can know something for sure. Unless of course you guess the victim and there will be 1 guest, and there will be no block. And the shot was not peaceful (which could also be).
Anyone else needs to rely on conjectures one way or another, whether it is rhetoric in the subject, or thoughts like - "there is no murder, maybe I blocked the killer?" Or "they shot me and didn’t kill me, is it because I suspected Vasya"?

Still, in fact, you can find out exactly the mafia through an interview, but most likely you need to do this twice.

But I want to ask different.
For example, a combination of the answer to the question about the positive status Yes and the actual verification of the status as negative can lead to certain thoughts.
But this is definitely not a quick way. Moreover, you cannot be sure that you have correctly understood the very essence of the issue.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:26:09
4. What do you consider (by experience or intuitively) a sign of a peaceful player, and what is a sign of a negative player.

If you say about this/// I was too lazy to answer this question. Now i can say that my technics won't work there. I often play with people who contradict themselves, laugh at night or behave unnaturally. and... no one canceled the intuition  ^_^
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:29:18
With such activity, I see only 1 way - to change the voting system from the current 50%+1 to the ordinary majority. So even if 7 players will vote with 4-3 - player with 4 will be jailed.
Not bad.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:29:46
okey.
For Caramel. on of the first day, you distributed people twice over all the colors of the rainbow. I miss this post from u! but what interesting. why did u stop doing that? are u afraid of something?
3 different players.
This is one. Two more

i'd like to note that Sue is not the only one who appeared once - maybe twice and said nothing important
so maybe it'll work
Try it and you. In the end, when you vote someone, it gives information about your suspicions.


okey.
For Caramel. on of the first day, you distributed people twice over all the colors of the rainbow. I miss this post from u! but what interesting. why did u stop doing that? are u afraid of something?
3 different players.
This is one. Two more

i'd like to note that Sue is not the only one who appeared once - maybe twice and said nothing important
so maybe it'll work
Try it and you. In the end, when you vote someone, it gives information about your suspicions.

what about mouse? I don't understand the meaning of some of his remarks. when he talked about meeting irl. I thought he was to catch something with that. bit then he dodged the question. I'd like to know about those acquaintances too.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:32:22
If you say about this/// I was too lazy to answer this question. Now i can say that my technics won't work there. I often play with people who contradict themselves, laugh at night or behave unnaturally. and... no one canceled the intuition
Contradictions work great.
For example, Gus said that he has many questions for everyone. But when I asked to ask three players (all three, not all), he was able to come up with a question for only one.
This is not a contradiction in your opinion?

Intuition works definitely worse, but some players call themselves “intuitions” openly. That is, they do not try to act with facts or logic, but simply write what they think.
Is your intuition silent now? If not, it will not be a bad decision to simply write what she says, in the end, if she works, then other players will not hurt to know what she said, you see, there are facts.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:35:36
If you say about this/// I was too lazy to answer this question. Now i can say that my technics won't work there. I often play with people who contradict themselves, laugh at night or behave unnaturally. and... no one canceled the intuition
Contradictions work great.
For example, Gus said that he has many questions for everyone. But when I asked to ask three players (all three, not all), he was able to come up with a question for only one.
This is not a contradiction in your opinion?

Intuition works definitely worse, but some players call themselves “intuitions” openly. That is, they do not try to act with facts or logic, but simply write what they think.
Is your intuition silent now? If not, it will not be a bad decision to simply write what she says, in the end, if she works, then other players will not hurt to know what she said, you see, there are facts.
oh I answered one question, because I want about my business. you are wondering why? I am still writing th questions

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:37:53
If you say about this/// I was too lazy to answer this question. Now i can say that my technics won't work there. I often play with people who contradict themselves, laugh at night or behave unnaturally. and... no one canceled the intuition
Contradictions work great.
For example, Gus said that he has many questions for everyone. But when I asked to ask three players (all three, not all), he was able to come up with a question for only one.
This is not a contradiction in your opinion?

Intuition works definitely worse, but some players call themselves “intuitions” openly. That is, they do not try to act with facts or logic, but simply write what they think.
Is your intuition silent now? If not, it will not be a bad decision to simply write what she says, in the end, if she works, then other players will not hurt to know what she said, you see, there are facts.

I'm scared so much. My inglish isn't well so i answer with low speed. AND
if I accuse someone, I may be accused in response and I'm not sure that I can clearly respond to the attack
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:39:39
oh I answered one question, because I want about my business. you are wondering why? I am still writing th questions

I thought that if you told the truth about a large number of questions, then you can voice 3 of them in one post after no more than 15 minutes after you read the request.
That is, if the questions were already in the head, it would not take a long time to write them down. And another thing, if you first said, and then realized the danger of this phrase, but decided to come up with them, after reading the topic again.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:47:46
inglish
OMG Sorry **English -_-
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:48:33
Hah, I made it quicker than I have expected. If you did not understand something - ask me again, I will paraphrase.

01.  pastor chivay - he gave a very quick analysis of the interview and became looking like a confident guy (not a lost lamb). I have a little bit of idea who he might be, so I'll paint him red.
02.  Dmixn - one meaningless post (2 symbols long) in the wrong thread. Gray.
03.  Putin mod.2 - do I have a write something against him? Well, I do, actually, find "no one" vote as the first post very interesting. Unlike the others, he wants not to have any sanctions against him due to his silence game. Deep gray.
04.  Sue Sharlin - I see a contradiction between her experience in real life and her playstyle here. Such way is bad from the very beginning. As she was not scared to play in a bold way of denial - it can be Orlando as he is not scared to be lynched.
05.  l10ha - I reread all the posts from Goose and I found out that he basically wrote everything, but nothing. So he is among active players but only asks something and supports (or not) another player opinion. Now he is gray in dark stripes. Close to black.
06.  Falcon hunting - at first appeared as a cool/strong/useful person, but now he is gone with only 1 post per day. What brought him such behavior? I have no idea, but his model of playing changes sharply. I suspected him as a maniac, now I don't know about him. Deep gray.
07.  shiori - cannot say for sure, but his game is lazy-mentor type. Did one analysis, answered a couple of questions and nothing more. I saw such players sometimes, so let him be more #A87D7D.
08.  Drusha - said that night was good as no one was killed. I saw many times from mafia happy statements about "no killing" during the night. Amateurish way of playing if it's the case. Gray.
09.  Bratuxa777 - La buveuse d'absinthe. (There is a complicated wordplay absinthe -> абсент -> absent).
10.  Julik1221 - one meaningless post ver. 2.0. in the wrong thread. Gray.
11.  SamPie -
Спойлер
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Absinthe-glass.jpg/200px-Absinthe-glass.jpg)
12.  InVictA - 2 posts. Does not know anything and reaction on my joke. Gray.
Спойлер
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MNg0qRnMuxE/W6v-xQwkZBI/AAAAAAAAgWg/RNcpUEvZFrUnW-x1bS3sHl6WTUkgE1d0ACLcBGAs/s1600/903.jpg)
14.  Anony-mouse - Oh, that's a more interesting character to analyze. At first, he modestly says about his little experience. He was reasonable, but he is not trying to win, strongly pointing on "learning game". Let him a Sweeny, it's really up to him to play in such style.
15.  Uranium235 - the most active. He promised to play in a weaker manner, but I like that he goes up in such an active form. The playstyle of peaceful player, right phases and actions. If he is a mafia, well, only congrats as to be such wide-opened takes guts. Anyway, it would be a waste of a player to be lynched here and now, the game will lose most of its activity. Red.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:49:18
I'm scared so much. My inglish isn't well so i answer with low speed. AND
if I accuse someone, I may be accused in response and I'm not sure that I can clearly respond to the attack
So, you are not sure of your intuition so well as to take it as the basis of the game. Neither the fear of retaliatory accusation nor illogicality stopped all the “intuitions” whom I know.
At least when they play out of town.
Another 1 old question is how to win the city if everyone is silent like you (you said then that you have a good strategy)?
Well, 2 related new ones. You did not say that I can be a mafia - why do you think this is so?
And you said that I can be Todd - do you agree with my objection.

And I also know English very poorly - an online translator helps out.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 19:53:07
Oh, once again - I use RGB model - red, gray, black. Take it into account to avoid misunderstandings.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:01:45
I'm scared so much. My inglish isn't well so i answer with low speed. AND
if I accuse someone, I may be accused in response and I'm not sure that I can clearly respond to the attack
So, you are not sure of your intuition so well as to take it as the basis of the game. Neither the fear of retaliatory accusation nor illogicality stopped all the “intuitions” whom I know.
At least when they play out of town.
Another 1 old question is how to win the city if everyone is silent like you (you said then that you have a good strategy)?
Well, 2 related new ones. You did not say that I can be a mafia - why do you think this is so?
And you said that I can be Todd - do you agree with my objection.

And I also know English very poorly - an online translator helps out.

But i'm not this "intuition" and i'm scared
thankyou for voting me 0.0
I just wanted to live
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:03:40
Fasting Caramel briefly:
Pastor and Uran are peaceful, Shiori is closer to peaceful. The mouse is unknown, but let it play.
Messor, Goose, Putin mod closer to the negatives.
Sue is Orlando.
The rest are gray.

I just checked for myself, because I never understood the point of writing that everyone is gray, because it relies on the definition. But after analysis, we can say that in fact there are more colors. I think I will remain in my opinion that the mafia is not here.

Caramel, can you tell how you see Bennett's questions to Shiori?
Wording. I promised at least half of the game not to get into this business, to let others play. But this does not mean that I cannot ask someone else's opinion.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:10:36
oh I answered one question, because I want about my business. you are wondering why? I am still writing th questions

I thought that if you told the truth about a large number of questions, then you can voice 3 of them in one post after no more than 15 minutes after you read the request.
That is, if the questions were already in the head, it would not take a long time to write them down. And another thing, if you first said, and then realized the danger of this phrase, but decided to come up with them, after reading the topic again.
u spooked a goose :misery:


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:15:01
And by the way, for Orlando, Sue’s reaction to the voice is too violent, so at least I don’t agree.

I have Julik often a victim of intimidation, and since the mafia may not even know that it is displayed in the newspaper like this, it is often not the mafia either.
Of course, I admit that I was mistaken and can change my mind, perhaps much earlier than you think.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:20:36
And by the way, for Orlando, Sue’s reaction to the voice is too violent, so at least I don’t agree.

I have Julik often a victim of intimidation, and since the mafia may not even know that it is displayed in the newspaper like this, it is often not the mafia either.
Of course, I admit that I was mistaken and can change my mind, perhaps much earlier than you think.

u say the right things. but sometimes I think it is easier for me, to give you my brain, than to worry about answers
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:22:20
I agree to the account of Messor. He can search much better. He plays well not only in a leisurely mode as it is now, but also in games where on average at least 1000 posts are written per day (24 hours).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:32:24
Caramel, can you tell how you see Bennett's questions to Shiori?
I already answered somewhere above. It's a new thing for me - such interviews. But I'll try to post a new analysis of it now.

– Do you know anyone who has already given way to his or her homicidal tendencies?

If yes - I see both possibilities of the mafia and e.g. Marple, who can find someone from it. Since answer is no - he is not mafia or he didn't found his foe.

– Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?

I thought only about gadgets, but someone told, that any item could be a gizmo. As the answer is no - possible roles are:

Ebenezer Scrooge
jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx
Orlando - from a certain point of view
Christopher Robin - also from a certain point of view
Reginald Jeeves
LIZ Bennet

So, LIZ Bennet to ask herself is very pro way of playing, so discarding her role - 2 possible roles for him if he is the town and answered the truth.

– Are you keen on stalking people?

I thought this question is only about Oliver Twist role (as he MUST choose, while other roles CAN choose). I do really miss a good explanation here.

So the analysis of this interview did not give me a thing. I based my opinion only on his posts.


And by the way, for Orlando, Sue’s reaction to the voice is too violent, so at least I don’t agree.
That's exactly why it's my opinion. If I wanted to write something in the style of conformism - you would find my post fully the same as your opinion. My thoughts are based, that she very persistently trying to drown herself and keeping in mind her experience, that she mentioned - it's too newbie way of playing. So I'm trying to find a more logical explanation. If you're right and I'm wrong - then I still have a long way to go in the Mafia Game. That's exactly why I came here - to hone my skills.

And by the way, for Orlando, Sue’s reaction to the voice is too violent, so at least I don’t agree.

I have Julik often a victim of intimidation, and since the mafia may not even know that it is displayed in the newspaper like this, it is often not the mafia either.
Of course, I admit that I was mistaken and can change my mind, perhaps much earlier than you think.

u say the right things. but sometimes I think it is easier for me, to give you my brain, than to worry about answers


Goose's phrases are still a pile of junk, so he can soon open his own junkyard.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:41:08
Цитировать
4. I didn't get that Bennet's Turing test feature.
It's tricky, yes. It has several important limitations.
a. It must be general questions (so that one can answer "yes" or "no").
b. They must not include any roles. ("Do you know Mary Poppins?")
c. They must not repeat. (By asking the same question three times, you could get a 100% proof answer). It also means that it must not be the same question, but rephrased in different words.
d. The interviews must not repeat from night to night; at least one question must be changed.
What questions are allowed? Well, something like this: "Are you armed?", "Are you sociable / Do have friends?", "Did you visit X last night?", etc. Be creative, but compose them carefully.
Also, e. Bennet has a cooldown and can't test herself.
And I still add a simple conclusion from myself.
If you cannot ask such and such a role, then you cannot ask in such a way that exactly one role could answer yes or no. So, the version with must is definitely incorrect.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:41:42
07.  shiori - cannot say for sure, but his game is lazy-mentor type. Did one analysis, answered a couple of questions and nothing more. I saw such players sometimes, so let him be more #A87D7D.
Wow, dark pink! Nice tint.

I can declare that see Caramel & Uran as citizens just now. If I would detect something suspicious about them, I will confront, but they do a good work for now.
Also I like activity of Anon and Chivay.

Music interlude. Sort of cringe
Спойлер
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05IFnlwVBNg
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:43:58
I can declare that see Caramel & Uran as citizens just now. If I would detect something suspicious about them, I will confront, but they do a good work for now.
Also I like activity of Anon and Chivay.
I think now we know where the treatment, protection and the guests check should be.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:46:55
i don't understand anything but it's very interesting  xD
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:52:10
And I still add a simple conclusion from myself.
If you cannot ask such and such a role, then you cannot ask in such a way that exactly one role could answer yes or no. So, the version with must is definitely incorrect.

I missed that part, as reread only roles sheet. Then altogether it makes the interview even vaguer.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:54:12
i don't understand anything but it's very interesting
Try to tell what you saw in the big GM post earlier this day.
Newspaper (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298641#msg1298641)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 13, 2020, 20:57:05
Goose's phrases are still a pile of junk, so he can soon open his own junkyard.
I’ll be sure to invite you to my junkyard opening. I’ll get back in the next few days.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 13, 2020, 21:02:42
Goose's phrases are still a pile of junk, so he can soon open his own junkyard.
I’ll be sure to invite you to my junkyard opening. I’ll get back in the next few days.


don't listen to her,  i like to hear you///
if you really open your junkyard i will come

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 13, 2020, 21:03:04
Day 1 Exit Poll


(1): Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298744#msg1298744)
None of the above (1): Putin mod.2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298734#msg1298734)

No vote (13): , , , , , , , , , , , , ,


You need 8 votes to reach a decision.
Deadline TUE 4 PM. 16 hours left.



PS: I'll be cutting excessive quotations in your posts now and then, don't be surprised with my “Last Edit” mark under your posts.

PPS: missed 1 vote :( darn!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 21:06:51
Music interlude. Sort of cringe
Off-topic, but hopes GM will forgive me for that little detour.

First time I see, that my nickname been compared with such song (it's even the first time I heard it).

I don't know much about Russian music, but the closest combination with my nickname used to be this song.

Спойлер
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKaM4BFritk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKaM4BFritk)

And not so close, but there is a definite connection via Candy -> Caramel.

Спойлер
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ4gbXRHXNY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ4gbXRHXNY)

Also, some players, on the forum where I play compare me with a beaver, so I heard a bunch of songs about them either.  :face:

Day 1 Exit Poll


None of the above (1): Putin mod.2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298734#msg1298734)

No vote (14): , , , , , , , , , , , , ,


You need 8 votes to reach a decision.
Deadline TUE 4 PM. 16 hours left.



PS: I'll be cutting excessive quotations in your posts now and then, don't be surprised with my “Last Edit” mark under your posts.

Forged results? Ecumenical conspiracy? Masons? Where is the vote by Uranium235, who voted against Sue Sharlin?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 21:21:25
Technical Retreat:
It is not considered true in the mafia to correct GM in the topic, for this there is PM.
Now is not the time to tell in detail why, just believe me.
thanks
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 13, 2020, 21:26:17
Fixed. My bad, sorry :(
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 13, 2020, 21:26:40
Technical Retreat:
It is not considered true in the mafia to correct GM in the topic, for this there is PM.
Now is not the time to tell in detail why, just believe me.
thanks

When in Rome, do as the Romans do, huh? Then, please, delete my previous message.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 13, 2020, 21:32:15
Or maybe we’ll kill Messor today? He has no beginner protection, but mimics it as if he had it.
If anyone is against, go out.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 14, 2020, 00:12:15
ahem. I did not see any important information from Sue's answers, she protected herself as a newbie (I am a newbie too, so i can say so! :D) and couldn't uphold the discussion — maybe because she came too late and she has nothing to say, because almost all was said before her. but she could at least try to support someone's opinion. anyway, she has a chance to change our thoughts about her at the next day — maybe she will be one of them who will answer first to the news

about Shi — tbh I do not know what to think, because his lazy style of playing confused me. but almost all the hints and suspections lead us to the notion where he is probably red kittyzen, I guess

regarding to messor — well, he was really active at Day 0, but when game starts... he dissapeared and say something general. we have no much time, but I prefer to wait till almost the end of day to see if he'll appear or not

I'm not sure if others inactive players will appear tomorrow. even SamPie appeared, but in the wrong thread and he refused to hang someone

I have no idea what to do. What I have — hopes about Day 2, that it will start with a bit more information we can talk about
and I pray god that someone from offline players will be more active
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 14, 2020, 09:31:29
Or maybe we’ll kill Messor today? He has no beginner protection, but mimics it as if he had it.
If anyone is against, go out.

I right now I see no way of getting 8 voices to one target, but if any from my >= deep gray list will get votes - I will follow.

Currently, the darkest to me is Goose. All reasons are above in the topic, and nothing changed.

l10ha
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 14, 2020, 09:40:05
Surely it will end in nothing. But I believe that Gus could support the vote, or find a reason why he does not want to do it.
And the site lagged all morning, an additional factor of failure.

falcon hunting


Messor, you look like a max maf with 0 colors in so much time.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 14, 2020, 09:42:26
, do you prefer Caramelldansen
Спойлер
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flAsTHJ6mlU
or Cara Mia(Baccara)
Спойлер
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5boHzgUIFI
then? Well, probably - nothing of this  :shrug:

My vote goes to
Mr. Nobody
.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 14, 2020, 09:48:16
Messor did not appear, so...
I support Uranium
Falcon hunting
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 14, 2020, 10:28:34
Day 1 Exit Poll


(2): Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298823#msg1298823), pastor chivay (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298825#msg1298825)
(1): Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298822#msg1298822)
None of the above (2): Putin mod.2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298734#msg1298734), Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298824#msg1298824)

No vote (10): , , , , , , , , ,


You need 8 votes to reach a decision.
Deadline TUE 4 PM. 2.5 hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 14, 2020, 10:45:26
I think Hunting’s changed a lot since the game started. I’ve been analyzing his page and I’ve come to the conclusion that he usually writes huge messages and quite often. What is the reason for this low activity? Maybe he chose this tactic because he has a role to play. so I agree that huntings can be hanged. maybe he’ll say something in his defense and I'll change my mind
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 14, 2020, 11:13:39
I think Hunting’s changed a lot since the game started. I’ve been analyzing his page and I’ve come to the conclusion that he usually writes huge messages and quite often. What is the reason for this low activity? Maybe he chose this tactic because he has a role to play. so I agree that huntings can be hanged. maybe he’ll say something in his defense and I'll change my mind


if he doesn’t write anything before 3, then I will vote for him. caramel votes for me and I understand her feelings about my personality. but I don’t want to make excuses to you and I’m not going to. time will tell who the goose is


if he doesn’t write anything before 3, then I will vote for him. caramel votes for me and I understand her feelings about my personality. but I don’t want to make excuses to you and I’m not going to. 
the next day the goose will show himself if he survives
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 14, 2020, 11:26:12
I think Hunting’s changed a lot since the game started. I’ve been analyzing his page and I’ve come to the conclusion that he usually writes huge messages and quite often. What is the reason for this low activity? Maybe he chose this tactic because he has a role to play. so I agree that huntings can be hanged. maybe he’ll say something in his defense and I'll change my mind
if he doesn’t write anything before 3, then I will vote for him. caramel votes for me and I understand her feelings about my personality. but I don’t want to make excuses to you and I’m not going to. time will tell who the goose is

These two posts fully support my position about you. First of all, you have never expressed your own opinion, always supported the others, you're hesitating with your vote now, even though it will not change anything. Or are you scared, that I will instantly change my vote to Falcon?



, do you prefer Caramelldansen
Спойлер
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flAsTHJ6mlU
or Cara Mia(Baccara)
Спойлер
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5boHzgUIFI
then? Well, probably - nothing of this  :shrug:

My vote goes to
Mr. Nobody
.

I can definitely say, that I have never heard the first track - I thought that it's some weird cover of anime opening, but it came out that it was made in Sweden in 2001. Huh, this is the biggest revelation I had in a couple of days.

But I know the second one, a really nice old-school song, I like it. So I prefer the Baccara.


By the way - the vote is not nice and you know it yourself.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 14, 2020, 11:42:36
These two posts fully support my position about you. First of all, you have never expressed your own opinion, always supported the others, you're hesitating with your vote now, even though it will not change anything. Or are you scared, that I will instantly change my vote to Falcon?

Oh my God. I have no doubt in my voice. I don’t care who you vote for. for me, for him, for someone else. I was waiting for his answer, because he was online. so you understand?




but I'm not mad at you and for the first time I forgive! let's live together :flush:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 14, 2020, 12:10:58
I want to speak out too. I think that members of the game not activ already now. Let's eliminate !today! a player who didn't write something. If he isn't activ now i think he won't activ in future. Falcon hunting wrote something in begining of the party. I10ha even more so.
I suggest Dmixn, Putin mod.2, Bratuxa777, Julik1221, SamPie or InVictA
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 14, 2020, 12:12:24
By the way - the vote is not nice and you know it yourself.

There is no accounting for tastes. You prefer risk, and I prefer to act only when necessary. Even the right execution excludes some possibilities, but the wrong one is a direct help to the mafia. Haste makes waste.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 14, 2020, 12:17:17
Falcon hunting
  :postrock:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 14, 2020, 13:01:03
My vote is going to
mr nobody too because of my opinion, that this time everything is not understandable. That was only first night. I am not sure because of this i Vote for mr nobody.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 14, 2020, 14:17:54
Day 1 Vote Results


(3): Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298823#msg1298823), pastor chivay (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298825#msg1298825), goose (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298835#msg1298835)
(1): Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298822#msg1298822)
None of the above (3): Putin mod.2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298734#msg1298734), Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298824#msg1298824), Drusha (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298836#msg1298836)

No vote (8): , , , , , , ,


No decision has been reached.

Night 2 starts. Please, send me your orders. Deadline WED 5 PM. 24 hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 14, 2020, 16:01:00
Day 1 Vote Results


(3): Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298823#msg1298823), pastor chivay (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298825#msg1298825), goose (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298835#msg1298835)
(1): Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298822#msg1298822)
None of the above (3): Putin mod.2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298734#msg1298734), Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298824#msg1298824), Drusha (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298836#msg1298836)

No vote (8): , , , , , , ,


No decision has been reached.

Night 2 starts. Please, send me your orders. Deadline WED 5 PM. 24 hours left.



hmm this is very interesting. Messor is gone. Kara and he talked actively at the beginning of the first night. one of them wrote that they have a lot in common. during the voting, she said that she was voting for me, but if there is another candidate for hanging from people who are gray, then she will vote for them. why didn’t you change to a messor, although he is in it? maybe you are collaborating and you don’t want to vote for him, because then maybe the right number of votes would be gathered to hang him. so I come to the conclusion that you chose me just for the excuse
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 14, 2020, 16:04:55
hmm this is very interesting. Messor is gone. Kara and he talked actively at the beginning of the first night. one of them wrote that they have a lot in common. during the voting, she said that she was voting for me, but if there is another candidate for hanging from people who are gray, then she will vote for them. why didn’t you change to a messor, although he is in it? maybe you are collaborating and you don’t want to vote for him, because then maybe the right number of votes would be gathered to hang him. so I come to the conclusion that you chose me just for the excuse

Nice try, but 3 votes are not 7 to judge me based on this assumption, but I clearly stated my point of view and for now I see no changes in it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 14, 2020, 16:29:53
hmm this is very interesting. Messor is gone. Kara and he talked actively at the beginning of the first night. one of them wrote that they have a lot in common. during the voting, she said that she was voting for me, but if there is another candidate for hanging from people who are gray, then she will vote for them. why didn’t you change to a messor, although he is in it? maybe you are collaborating and you don’t want to vote for him, because then maybe the right number of votes would be gathered to hang him. so I come to the conclusion that you chose me just for the excuse

Nice try, but 3 votes are not 7 to judge me based on this assumption, but I clearly stated my point of view and for now I see no changes in it.


the question is different. would you vote for a messor in any other script? time will tell who is who
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 14, 2020, 16:36:54
the question is different. would you vote for a messor in any other script? time will tell who is who

I'll answer your question. As I told - if he gets around 7 votes, I would change mine, but as there were no such a thing - I left my vote as it is.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 14, 2020, 16:45:59
A brief reminder. It is very likely that the villains will try to finish off Julik1221 this night.

Whoever saved him last night, that night he will not be able to save him, since the protection cannot be applied twice in a row for one person.
So city rescuers can consider this player as someone on whom you can earn a rescue frag.

But you decide. This is the mafia. If I am a villain myself, then with this statement I can try to redirect you to a less useful player. And even if I’m not a mafia, Sweeney can decide that an unfinished player is a good target for using a massacre action.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 14, 2020, 16:56:07
To spend protection on an inactive player - is the most reckless decision I've heard. There are around 7 active players who could have used this protection, while this Julik is just an actionless dummy and his life means nothing right now.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 14, 2020, 18:27:15
With so many votes cast, I don’t really believe that the city can do anything.
They just won’t vote.
Now I just couldn’t really see who was interested in saving Messor and who was interested in driving out, because time allowed me to successfully distance myself from making the final decision in general, and the votes cast were weak in terms of credibility, because they actually didn’t threaten.

Mouse, why don’t you support?
If Messor is not a mafia for you, so I asked to tell. I also have no desire to lead into the abyss, if there are arguments that I do not see, I fully perceive them.

In general, I would say that at least 1 maf voted, but I can not explain why.
I do not want to refer to intuition, I have it poorly developed. Rather, this is my expectation based on the average portrait of the player.
I would definitely like some kind of checks among the voices in nobody, if there are no negatives there it will be very strange, usually to simulate activities such a voice is used with great pleasure.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 14, 2020, 18:46:36
stupid to save the inactive. I think that they will not kill him again, but they will kill someone from the inactive, in order to finally get rid of them
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 14, 2020, 19:08:00
Sorry, I was knocked out of the game, I can not get together

I vote for the man, I was a peaceful role and I apologize for such a bad game. Alas alas alas
Uran
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 14, 2020, 19:15:19
Sorry, I was knocked out of the game, I can not get together

I vote for the man, I was a peaceful role and I apologize for such a bad game. Alas alas alas
Uran



can you explain why you made such a decision?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 14, 2020, 19:17:24
Sorry, I was knocked out of the game, I can not get together

I vote for the man, I was a peaceful role and I apologize for such a bad game. Alas alas alas
Uran


The day is over, and so is the vote. Why do you vote for the person who accused you? It doesn't change anything


Sorry, I was knocked out of the game, I can not get together

I vote for the man, I was a peaceful role and I apologize for such a bad game. Alas alas alas
Uran



can you explain why you made such a decision?


you're mindthief, did you know that??
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 14, 2020, 19:27:06
Mouse, why don’t you support?

Firstly, I did not believe that the current activity of the players would make it possible to execute even the fruit of the marriage of Hitler and Satan.
Secondly, if the execution suddenly turned out to be potentially possible on the first day, then I would strongly suspect that the mafiosi are controlling the voting.

Although I must say that, in general, hanging Falcon would not sadden me too much.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 14, 2020, 19:27:32
such a bad game
He himself admitted.
And why, then, is the suspicion unjustified?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 14, 2020, 20:14:49
Secondly, if the execution suddenly turned out to be potentially possible on the first day, then I would strongly suspect that the mafiosi are controlling the voting.
What is this control expressed in?

In any case, the mafia has an influence on the day, because there are 4 of their voices and one manipulation of voting.

Now tell me in which scenarios you see a decrease in this influence, and in which increase.

This I suggest that the more peaceful voices go to anyone, the less likely they are to kick out the mafia, in principle, because while peaceful players can afford to play passively without suspects, the mafia can also do this and not attract attention.
I could understand the value of leaving everyone in a situation where the city discusses the events of the night and accumulates information and suspicions without a vote. Now this is not there, it means the chances of losing are extremely high, but there remains a small option that you can win if you guess the mafia among the offers and collect all the possible votes there, as long as they exist.

And, I would also like you to give an assessment to my assumption that from the mafia the voice of anyone expected is even greater than the absence of a vote at all.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 14, 2020, 21:07:07
,
Yes, the mafia always has the opportunity to influence the voting process. But there is not always reason to suspect the presence of this influence. The results of the interview, a significant solution to the proposed hint, suspicious behavior, apparent inconsistency of actions, mismatch of the player’s behavior and experience, and so on... The more such things accumulate, the stronger the position of the prosecution.  However, on the first day, in the absence of murders and sensational interviews, the grounds for hanging are lightweight in principle, imho.

If I understand correctly, then you think that is possible to calculate the mafia based on the votes cast by the players, no matter how little justification they have?
If there is at least some experience in playing the mafia for the vast majority of players, this tactic is probably workable. But I doubt that it works with a large number of newcomers. An inexperienced person will either refrain from accusations, or will follow the lead of the players who are sympathetic to him / impress him.

Could you rephrase the last statement. I do not understand this. It should be too late for me.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 14, 2020, 22:04:07
Could you rephrase the last statement. I do not understand this. It should be too late for me.
My experience says that the mafia will vote in nobody rather than miss the vote.
Of course, this does not mean mandatory voting for any maf. But this means that this probability becomes, than just the probability of being a mafa for a random player.
So, speak out why you do not agree with this assumption.

You again miss the point that you are responsible for your actions, not for the actions of others.
If you think the tactics are good, then you need to play from them yourself. In addition to personal experience, there is still the ability to adopt other people's behavior. Now think about who you are borrowing from and what exactly you would like to borrow from you.

Joint voting with those who are pleasant is a victory strategy available to everyone. And to determine which of the "sympathizers" is actually black who wants to persuade you to their side is already the next level, which also has to be reached quickly.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 15, 2020, 06:38:37
My experience says that the mafia will vote in nobody rather than miss the vote.
So, speak out why you do not agree with this assumption.

I can not agree or disagree with your experience. I can’t dispute this, but I can’t act according to this either. Because it is your experience.
My experience says that experienced players vote much more often than miss the procedure. However, we see that Falcon and Shiori did not vote. Do they lose their experience because of this?

If you think the tactics are good, then you need to play from them yourself. In addition to personal experience, there is still the ability to adopt other people's behavior.

It's possible I'm still in a rebellious phase, you know. I'm starting to get tired of the dialogue. I must remind you that I am not the most inexperienced player in the game and should not focus all the mentoring power on me alone.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 06:39:54
Our townspeople are sleeping. Well, write at least something. I can’t do anything if I don’t have leads.

If you think this is a theater, then let it go. But you are actors in it, not spectators.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 06:50:25
Do they lose their experience because of this?
Put forward your version of events, why it happened.
I think that for things like a pass it’s supposed to be explained. Messor, at the very least, explained that he was just sleeping, Shiori was still waiting.
I do not try to come up with explanations for them; I prefer to try to create something from the existing one.

I do not like this dialogue - so start another.
I have already received a key answer - my assumptions do not suit you. I can’t bring peace out of it. Yes, it’s not a question, I’m just for telling your method. If he is just waiting, then you can say what exactly you are waiting for.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 07:02:20
Mouse, you know what the difficulty is.
While not everyone writes, I can search for peace only in part of the players. Help me see her in you.

Well, or at least share how you see the path to the victory of the city. I see that it is necessary to postulate that in some active players there are no more than one mafia - because if there are more, we will still lose later.
Challenge the statement or agree with it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 15, 2020, 07:11:35
And remind me why they started voting for me?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 07:12:42
I still goose and caramel reconcile.
It will be much easier if you can not write your plan.
It will become much easier to say - this mafia, do not swear among yourself, do not be like him.

I haven’t done this yet because I’m not sure that they are 2 peaceful. But I guess what will have to be done, since otherwise the defeat will be inevitable, and at least there will be some ghostly chances.

And remind me why they started voting for me?

Because I said so.
And I said that because you have zero colors for the week of the game called, which somehow does not attract peaceful Messor.
But if I missed something, it’s not too late to dissuade me. In general, it was possible yesterday, but you didn’t come.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 15, 2020, 07:18:51
I clearly said
There were no killings for only two reasons. Either the maf and the maniac shot at each other, or fell into personal defense. So why am I merging, Uranus? Explain why? Isn't it clear that I'm urban?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 07:24:10
I clearly said
There were no killings for only two reasons. Either the maf and the maniac shot at each other, or fell into personal defense. So why am I merging, Uranus? Explain why? Isn't it clear that I'm urban?
No, it’s not clear.
Explain how their what you said it follows that you are urban.
Enter the missing links in the chain of reasoning, otherwise I don’t see a connection.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 07:49:17
Messor, half of the pool in a coma.
Do you want to be peaceful? Play the classics, alternative methods in this situation will not help, no matter how good they may be.
Too complicated newspaper, and too little information from players on it. Get frostmorn, other methods will not work here.
(this is a joke, do not look for a lot of meaning here).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 15, 2020, 07:56:17
To think with your head and understand all the subtleties of a hint? - no, not for me. I’m Uranus and you must understand me.
Trying to squeeze information from players who are in the subject? "No, not for me." I am Uranius, and I will stick a stick to an inactive player, because it is easiest to push and hang!
Play with newbies and let them choose who to vote for and have their own opinion? "No, not for me, I am Uranus, and I only impose my own, the only correct opinion." I'm great and you beginners should listen to me

Messor, half of the pool in a coma.
Do you want to be peaceful? Play the classics, alternative methods in this situation will not help, no matter how good they may be.
Too complicated newspaper, and too little information from players on it. Get frostmorn, other methods will not work here.
(this is a joke, do not look for a lot of meaning here).


Do you want to laugh?
Among Uranium, Shiori and Messor there is one exact Maf, and two are definitely peaceful. We exclude Messor from the role of a maf and you remain together with him and one of you is an exact maf
You know why?
Will you answer?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 08:11:19
No, I don’t know why. This you said, you explain.
By the way, Shiori had a journalist, you can comment on questions and answers.
Well, in any case, if suddenly I assume I accept your logic, then I will exclude myself, tell me why or so it is obvious?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 15, 2020, 08:17:43
No, I don’t know why. This you said, you explain.
By the way, Shiori had a journalist, you can comment on questions and answers.
Well, in any case, if suddenly I assume I accept your logic, then I will exclude myself, tell me why or so it is obvious?

Mahahahahahah! Of course, of course, my friend, this is obvious. So even any of the people present here understood this, and maybe you, too, simply pretended to be good.
And everything is quite simple, the mafia team cannot be completely new, this would complicate their game. In any case, they should have a mentor and this is someone from Uranus and Shiori.
Do you understand?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 08:27:28
You decide what right now you want to show me. What is shiori mafia?
Well, take advantage of Liz’s action (I’m not saying that to think why he became the target, because to think of such things).
If you are trying to prove something else, then tell what and to whom, otherwise I am missing something.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 15, 2020, 08:33:35
Not really. I just told you the obvious thing, and if you use this theory, then most likely you will be a mafia than Shiori. The reason is quite simple: you wanted to hang the player in the easiest way, namely to hang while he is inactive. Only the most despicable mafas can do this and this is an ideal option to play with beginners - they will eat it
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 08:43:45
Once again, I propose to show how I should have acted. Well, or how to act peacefully.
Ignore this offer before the kit, please, it will greatly simplify my life.
"He criticized, but was not able to offer a different path. And more than once."
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Апреля 15, 2020, 09:00:36
The night will show
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 09:07:59
"He criticized, but was not able to offer a different path. And more than once."


Goose and Caramel, if they kill me, at least try not to swear. It is like a will.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 15, 2020, 09:28:59
Oh my, such a heated discussion.

My experience says that the mafia will vote in nobody rather than miss the vote.

In my point of view - voting in nobody is hiding of position (so-called lying in wait). I strongly distrust those who don't state their own opinion and supply it by the vote. The opinion could be wrong, of course - but what is really matters - is its presence.

It's possible I'm still in a rebellious phase, you know. I'm starting to get tired of the dialogue. I must remind you that I am not the most inexperienced player in the game and should not focus all the mentoring power on me alone.

If you're not "the most inexperienced player", then you should have some goals. So what do you pursue by intentionally failing to provide info with your vote?

I still goose and caramel reconcile.
It will be much easier if you can not write your plan.
It will become much easier to say - this mafia, do not swear among yourself, do not be like him.

I haven’t done this yet because I’m not sure that they are 2 peaceful. But I guess what will have to be done, since otherwise the defeat will be inevitable, and at least there will be some ghostly chances.

I did not fully understand this part of your sentence. Are you trying to tell me, that a person with no own reasoning and tons of messages with little meaning in it is to be considered red and played along with? I don't get it. Nope. Unless you have some inner info on Goose.



Falcon is like a vampire - appears and active only during the night. I thought, that among 3 experienced players could be mafia, but in the end I came out to see Falcon more sly due to his change in playstyle. Now he is active. It's bugging me.

Goose and Caramel, if they kill me, at least try not to swear. It is like a will.

So you DO have some info about Goose, huh? I'll take that into account then.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 15, 2020, 09:57:06
Oh my, such a heated discussion.

My experience says that the mafia will vote in nobody rather than miss the vote.

In my point of view - voting in nobody is hiding of position (so-called lying in wait). I strongly distrust those who don't state their own opinion and supply it by the vote. The opinion could be wrong, of course - but what is really matters - is its presence.

It's possible I'm still in a rebellious phase, you know. I'm starting to get tired of the dialogue. I must remind you that I am not the most inexperienced player in the game and should not focus all the mentoring power on me alone.

If you're not "the most inexperienced player", then you should have some goals. So what do you pursue by intentionally failing to provide info with your vote?

I still goose and caramel reconcile.
It will be much easier if you can not write your plan.
It will become much easier to say - this mafia, do not swear among yourself, do not be like him.

I haven’t done this yet because I’m not sure that they are 2 peaceful. But I guess what will have to be done, since otherwise the defeat will be inevitable, and at least there will be some ghostly chances.

I did not fully understand this part of your sentence. Are you trying to tell me, that a person with no own reasoning and tons of messages with little meaning in it is to be considered red and played along with? I don't get it. Nope. Unless you have some inner info on Goose.



Falcon is like a vampire - appears and active only during the night. I thought, that among 3 experienced players could be mafia, but in the end I came out to see Falcon more sly due to his change in playstyle. Now he is active. It's bugging me.

Goose and Caramel, if they kill me, at least try not to swear. It is like a will.

So you DO have some info about Goose, huh? I'll take that into account then.

Uranium says we shouldn’t fight, and you’re turning everything in my direction. You’re really hiding something! If I die tonight, I know who will be responsible for the festivities where the goose will be the main course >:D

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 15, 2020, 10:32:32
Uranium says we shouldn’t fight, and you’re turning everything in my direction. You’re really hiding something! If I die tonight, I know who will be responsible for the festivities where the goose will be the main course
Do not misunderstand me - I have heard what Uranium has said. But that doesn't mean, that I have to listen to him, as I have my own opinion. His words are only words, so I don't plan to change my opinion based on not facts, but an opinion of the most active player.

However, I'll raise down my hostility to you for now.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 15, 2020, 11:17:17
If you're not "the most inexperienced player", then you should have some goals.

Yeah, as far as I remember, the main goal of the game is to have fun. Will I be allowed?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 15, 2020, 11:34:37
Yeah, as far as I remember, the main goal of the game is to have fun. Will I be allowed?

You're not even trying to say, that you're playing for the town or somehow to provide an explanation for your playing style. Either you are not peaceful or ruining the play for the others - to have fun there is another topic with Goose sacraments, etc. To have fun in rules means only for "not to be disappointed with the results no matter what they will be", but not to deliberately playing like this.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 15, 2020, 12:15:46
You're not even trying to say, that you're playing for the town or somehow to provide an explanation for your playing style.

Well, I play for the townspeople, and not only that, I myself am a proud townsman. Have I become more of a citizen because I shared this secret?
 
I do not like to vote without a higher degree of conviction than what I have now. It is what it is. It is a fact. If someone’s game is crashing, maybe it’s worth looking for more reliable methods of the game?
Different people have different points of view on how a citizen should behave. And from my point of view, your approach is far from perfect.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 15, 2020, 14:58:38
Night 2 is slowly crawling to its end.

The results are to be around midnight.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 15:12:34
caramel, I said what I said.
we will not pull victory if there are a lot of non-silent mafia.

it's not colors, it's a fact. I also don’t like such conclusions, but if all the peace in the city is coordinated for the sake of the remaining chances, then the maf among them will have to either obey, or the big fire.
usually the city has a reserve of 2-3 peace conflicts, but we do not.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 15, 2020, 17:10:37
we will not pull victory if there are a lot of non-silent mafia.

You know, if:
1. There are a lot of silent mafia players and they are not going to be kicked out - it's nearly impossible to find them out;
2. There are a lot of non-silent mafias - eventually, they will shot everyone down if the voting system remains the same.

Either way, it's bad, but I will still give colors to those who are in the game - nice practice anyway.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 19:33:08
Well, why no one writes new thoughts, do you have them?
Now is the best time for this. At least wills.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 15, 2020, 19:39:14
Well, why no one writes new thoughts, do you have them?
Now is the best time for this. At least wills.


I prefer to wait till the next day that never comes and see the results
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 19:42:46
Suppose the Pastor is killed in the results.
What do you say?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 15, 2020, 19:45:19
Well, why no one writes new thoughts, do you have them?
Now is the best time for this. At least wills.



I'm waiting in the morning to tell everything I think. I don’t really like that everyone is starting to openly go into conflict with each other. Is this due to the fact that we are on the verge of a solution? or is it just a play style like that
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 15, 2020, 19:46:22
Suppose the Pastor is killed in the results.
What do you say?

NO U!!!!
D: !!!
Did you use the taro cards? But who knows, maybe you're right (I hope no)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 15, 2020, 19:49:27
Well, why no one writes new thoughts, do you have them?
Now is the best time for this. At least wills.


What to write? Nothing changed since my analysis, except you told me not to go in conflict with Goose anymore. It's strange, but I'm trying as hard as I can.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 19:49:40
Goose, the same story.
You are not sure that you will survive until this morning.
Even Oliver cannot be sure that he will survive until the morning. And even more so, someone with or without protection.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 15, 2020, 19:50:11
Suppose the Pastor is killed in the results.
What do you say?

NO U!!!!
D: !!!
Did you use the taro cards? But who knows, maybe you're right (I hope no)


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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 19:53:30


What to write? Nothing changed since my analysis, except you told me not to go in conflict with Goose anymore. It's strange, but I'm trying as hard as I can.


There, the condition was my retirement. While I'm in the game, this is still valid.

Write your victory plan considering the situation.
Well, or a vision of how city roles might be better. Today it is too late, but the thought may still come in handy tomorrow, but there is still no confidence in survival.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 15, 2020, 19:56:31
Suppose the Pastor is killed in the results.
What do you say?

NO U!!!!
D: !!!
Did you use the taro cards? But who knows, maybe you're right (I hope no)


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I prefer this version more
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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 15, 2020, 20:04:46
There, the condition was my retirement. While I'm in the game, this is still valid.

Write your victory plan considering the situation.
Well, or a vision of how city roles might be better. Today it is too late, but the thought may still come in handy tomorrow, but there is still no confidence in survival.

Ok, I'll write, but it's very basic - like a textbook rule.

First of all, among active players, there is definitely at least one mafia player.
It's necessary to make GameMaster change voting rules as I offered previously - to the ordinary majority.
Then - there is somewhere one peaceful coalition, that should vote (hoping it's active).
Based on the previous behavior (and night results) it's possible to find mafia player among active and jailed him.
Next, it's necessary to persuade GameMaster to remove most of those who write nothing in the topic.
Also, there is a hope that the town will have another coalition, which will ease the game.
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Roles - my assumptions did not change, but I can think now, that you+Goose are on the same side. Most likely. Perhaps. Or you have some plan behind you and Goose is the part of it.

I prefer this version more
Nice! Tarot offers many funny characters as the major arcana cards.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 15, 2020, 20:09:43
Tarot offers many funny characters as the major arcana cards.

Yes it is! I found one of them and I bet that you would like it

Look:
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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 15, 2020, 20:16:57
There, the condition was my retirement. While I'm in the game, this is still valid.

Write your victory plan considering the situation.
Well, or a vision of how city roles might be better. Today it is too late, but the thought may still come in handy tomorrow, but there is still no confidence in survival.

Ok, I'll write, but it's very basic - like a textbook rule.

First of all, among active players, there is definitely at least one mafia player.
It's necessary to make GameMaster change voting rules as I offered previously - to the ordinary majority.
Then - there is somewhere one peaceful coalition, that should vote (hoping it's active).
Based on the previous behavior (and night results) it's possible to find mafia player among active and jailed him.
Next, it's necessary to persuade GameMaster to remove most of those who write nothing in the topic.
Also, there is a hope that the town will have another coalition, which will ease the game.
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Roles - my assumptions did not change, but I can think now, that you+Goose are on the same side. Most likely. Perhaps. Or you have some plan behind you and Goose is the part of it.

I prefer this version more
Nice! Tarot offers many funny characters as the major arcana cards.

Oh shit! I saw through with uranium!
but I know that I am part of your plan! we can disperse! the riddle is solved. I and the caramel mafia and our entire dispute is a distraction! The stars came together, the tarot cards told us everything.


There, the condition was my retirement. While I'm in the game, this is still valid.

Write your victory plan considering the situation.
Well, or a vision of how city roles might be better. Today it is too late, but the thought may still come in handy tomorrow, but there is still no confidence in survival.

Ok, I'll write, but it's very basic - like a textbook rule.

First of all, among active players, there is definitely at least one mafia player.
It's necessary to make GameMaster change voting rules as I offered previously - to the ordinary majority.
Then - there is somewhere one peaceful coalition, that should vote (hoping it's active).
Based on the previous behavior (and night results) it's possible to find mafia player among active and jailed him.
Next, it's necessary to persuade GameMaster to remove most of those who write nothing in the topic.
Also, there is a hope that the town will have another coalition, which will ease the game.
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Roles - my assumptions did not change, but I can think now, that you+Goose are on the same side. Most likely. Perhaps. Or you have some plan behind you and Goose is the part of it.

I prefer this version more
Nice! Tarot offers many funny characters as the major arcana cards.

Oh shoot! I saw through with uranium!
but I know that I am part of your plan! we can disperse! the riddle is solved. I and the caramel mafia and our entire dispute is a distraction! The stars came together, the tarot cards told us everything.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 20:18:13
Roles - my assumptions did not change, but I can think now, that you+Goose are on the same side. Most likely. Perhaps. Or you have some plan behind you and Goose is the part of it.
And you know him. The goose is active enough not to miss the vote, and is able to support the coalition. If a maf, it will not be easy for him to find arguments why he is not ready to do this.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 15, 2020, 20:19:31
let's stop this circus. in the morning they will give clues and we will be able to understand something. I don’t think it makes sense to enter into conflict and we can begin to cooperate! because I'm not at all mad at you cheer
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 15, 2020, 20:20:10
by the way, about the coalition
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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 15, 2020, 20:42:57
by the way, about the coalition
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wow! great quibble to stay pawsitive, huh?

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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 15, 2020, 20:47:32
The news will be...a liiitle bit l8r. Because, you know, off(lin)ers. But there will be in an hour if I don't fall asleep and in the morning if I do.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 15, 2020, 20:50:39
I don’t really like that everyone is starting to openly go into conflict with each other.

These are not real conflicts, but only their imitation. Well, at least it is assumed)
 Just playing the mafia, among other things, teaches you to defend your opinion, and sometimes even justify it ;)


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 16, 2020, 07:21:42
I read all the correspondence and I can 't figure out how to act. There is no certainty at all, you, experienced players, have not decided even who Julik is and what the results of the interview are.
I don 't write any reasoning because I banically don't understand which one of you can be believed and who can 't. Any crooked phrase from me will immediately lead to votes against me and any experienced in this format will talk to me. And considering the rarity of access to the PC - especially. Alas, but any silent player turns out to be less suspicious than me. And the conclusions will make without me, as it was already.
I will agree with what someone wrote, surely there is at least one experienced player among the mafia. But which one I don 't know. There 's a lot of suspicious in each of them. Anyone who is confident in writing and defending their point of view seems to me to be a mafia. After all, they have the most information on the basis of which they can easily blame whom they are comfortable with.
So it seems to me that only Goose is trustworthy because he plays more insecure, common phrases, as he will do peaceful who knows nothing.
Thanks for the game ❤
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 16, 2020, 07:30:06
Results sent; newspaper takes a bit more time than I thought. But I'll issue it asap
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 16, 2020, 08:01:58
Actually, I decided and said, if you read it carefully you can see it. That I can be wrong - well, there is one, yes.
In any case, the results of the vote did not refute the conclusions - as many votes were cast as there were voters. So, if the deprivation of the vote has passed - it was on one of those who missed the vote. But of course, such a gift as showing your zero voice is too luxurious for me (to ask in advance is a game in full force, but now you’ve got a hint - oh yes of course not, don’t even read it. Just like Sue didn’t read me earlier).

And I can tell you from the experience of the game with the mafia - they also lack information in such games. And owning her does not really help in the accusations.

Sue, come on again. You got the first color. Of course, not on logic on instinct, but about the type on "intuition" I already know.
Write further what comes to mind. In any case, a player with a position will have an advantage over someone who does not have it - they begin to delve into the details when more or less vision appears in the majority.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 16, 2020, 08:15:13
Dear Uranium, I didn't vote because I late. Is this answer exhaustive?)
My actions don't matter now.
And... I think it's my last words 🖤
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 16, 2020, 08:21:47
All that is written in this topic is "open information" - with what you can operate in the future.
So actions in any case matter, and the will is all the more so if you want to leave it (I offered this to as many players as possible yesterday).

will is lastword. Not verb
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 16, 2020, 08:58:55
I think that mafia is Uranium or Kara_Mel, pastor and quiet player
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 16, 2020, 09:05:20
I will be active later, in the evening.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 16, 2020, 09:58:45

I will say right away. Today I intend to hang everyone who will not be active and I don’t really care whether he is peaceful or not. :booty:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:04:40

I will say right away. Today I intend to hang everyone who will not be active and I don’t really care whether he is peaceful or not. :booty:

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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:06:52
The Courier New

Day 2



            Murders Return. From Odd To Weird?


To tell you the truth—behind the doors of the editorial office, we were having a good time bidding on how many days the strange homicidal silence will last. I am happy to inform you that your humble servant's bid won: exactly naught days.

The first report is of particular peculiarity. Sue Sharlin was found at her armchair. On her rigid face there stood a mixed expression of horror and surprise, such as has never been seen upon human features. Nothing was touched in the room; Schotland Yard has not a single assumption of what might have caused such a malignant and terrible contortion. Sue was deeply loved by many of us, and this loss will be deeply mourned.

The second case seems to be more obvious—but more graphic. Do not let your younglings read it! The body of Bratuxa777 was found in the morning, again, at his home, beside the desktop. Layers of blood all over the room that were present, together with the victim's scalp (that was absent), were signs strong enough for even Scotland Yard to grasp exactly what happened this time. What still bewilders the tecs, though, is the tiny piece of dark cloth, rectangular in shape, found under the table. While not losing hope for solving this mystery, we offer deepest condolences to everyone who knew Bratuxa both personally and businesswise.

We will readily keep you in touch with fresh acts of manslaughter and the corresponding investigation process.

            — Fergus Fume



            Corp Hardwired to Self-Destruct

One may ask himself—is it possible that the London affairs get any worse than they already are? The truth is, this inquiry has the precise, trusty answer: It is always a strong possibility. Each and every piece of news merely compliments the bigger picture of the Regal Organization slowly undermining its own basis. It seems however that the process has gained momentum.

The infrastructure keeps on idling. To the traditional composure of massive hacks, the new ingredient refined the recipe of failure: large-scale data leaks. The counterbalance provided by the nomenklatura is miles of red tape, apathy, and utter inability to protect its working hands. It appears to me that all we are capable of now is to imagine the ways of our final downfall.

            — George E. G. Watt



            Dear Friends,

We cannot get tired of all the wonderful letters you send to us. It is heartwarming and deeply humbling to have such a responsive audience. However, we were indeed humbled tonight, as one or two of the letters we'd been eagerly waiting for, couldn't find our doorstep. Our readers already love LIZ and her interviews; we even received several pictures with her cosplay. To our deep regret, we have no new materials from her to publish it today. Please receive our apologies.

            — Yours truly,
              Chief Editor





Day 2 has started. Deadline SAT, 1 PM. 48 hours left.

You need ANY number votes to do it.



Still alive (13):

01.
02. =>
03.
05.
06.
07.
08.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Not-so-much-alive (2):

04.
09.




Rule 10 has been replaced:
Execution demands a simple majority vote. When the day ends, the player with the most votes is lynched. If more than one player gets the same number of votes, the player who gained the number first if lynched. If the majority abstains, the day ends without execution.

Chronology has been added to the Opening Post:
Night 1 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298509#msg1298509) | Day 1 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298641#msg1298641)
Night 2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298837#msg1298837) | Day 2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298930#msg1298930)

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:30:56
Still don't get why such inactive players were killed in the first place. Maybe maf chose tactic of intimidation and he'll continue try to kill all silent players, idk. It's strange, but remember about Todd who can not communicate with mafia. And there can be a redirect, but if so - possible victims  are inactive too

Let's see

Sue Sharlin was found at her armchair. On her rigid face there stood a mixed expression of horror and surprise, such as has never been seen upon human features. Nothing was touched in the room;

Rest in Peace, Sue. I heard your last words...
Regarding to killing, well...
The way of killing leads us to Mary Poppins's 1st skill which left no hints after assault.
1. Cleanup: leaves no hints after having killed. Can clean up 2 times. This
ability is used together with the Kill action.


Layers of blood all over the room that were present, together with the victim's scalp (that was absent), were signs strong enough for even Scotland Yard to grasp exactly what happened this time.

Nothing to say, Bratuxa was killed by Todd, obviously. He went to hairdresser and lost his skull, BUT HERE'S SOMETHING INTERESTING

the tiny piece of dark cloth, rectangular in shape, found under the table.

The most interesting part. I guess this is a hint, a reference to someone's avatar, ya know

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:31:05
very interesting newspaper. After reading it, I realized that my brother killed Todd, and Mary killed Sue. the piece of cloth that was left on the table indicates me hunting and caramel. I can assume that Sue was a liz. however, I have nothing against the fact that the mafia is slowly getting rid of empty ones. :beg:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:34:56
I can assume that Sue was a liz.

Good assumption, it could be. If you're right, then it's really sad that she was killed. With LIZ there would be a lot more information to reason with
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:35:30
So, here are the results. 2 kills, so mafia and Sweeney are not sleeping.

Sue Sharlin was found at her armchair. On her rigid face there stood a mixed expression of horror and surprise, such as has never been seen upon human features.

Sue had a non-human role, it seems. LIZ Bennet as we didn't get results of the interview? Nothing touched is almost certain reference to Poppins.


The second case seems to be more obvious—but more graphic. Do not let your younglings read it! The body of Bratuxa777 was found in the morning, again, at his home, beside the desktop. Layers of blood all over the room that were present, together with the victim's scalp (that was absent), were signs strong enough for even Scotland Yard to grasp exactly what happened this time. What still bewilders the tecs, though, is the tiny piece of dark cloth, rectangular in shape, found under the table. While not losing hope for solving this mystery, we offer deepest condolences to everyone who knew Bratuxa both personally and businesswise.

If there are no scalp - it leads to "Haircut: kills the target. Learns the role of the murdered." by Sweeney. But what does the dark cloth means? To me, black is always a mafia.


One may ask himself—is it possible that the London affairs get any worse than they already are? The truth is, this inquiry has the precise, trusty answer: It is always a strong possibility. Each and every piece of news merely compliments the bigger picture of the Regal Organization slowly undermining its own basis. It seems however that the process has gained momentum.

The infrastructure keeps on idling. To the traditional composure of massive hacks, the new ingredient refined the recipe of failure: large-scale data leaks. The counterbalance provided by the nomenklatura is miles of red tape, apathy, and utter inability to protect its working hands. It appears to me that all we are capable of now is to imagine the ways of our final downfall.

This looks once again as a night actions. Someone found someone as there are information leaks yet again. 2 night in the row. As mafia are "Hand of the Queen" - going by the logic of WikiLeaks - it's leaks against governments, so I think it means peace coalition. Others thing looks like failed actions.

very interesting newspaper. After reading it, I realized that my brother killed Todd, and Mary killed Sue. the piece of cloth that was left on the table indicates me hunting and caramel. I can assume that Sue was a liz. however, I have nothing against the fact that the mafia is slowly getting rid of empty ones. :beg:

How does the dark piece of cloth refer to either you or me? I don't get it, so please provide an explanation.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:41:05
What I can say is less guessing hint on mana. The first is always done untrustworthy. That is, even when you know the guess, you will not understand how to come to this. Obviously, the mafia’s kill without evidence, there are no other ways. Inhuman face and we all loved, coupled with the last part of the newspaper where there is no interview but described popular love of course suggestive.
But Bratuha, we rotated in businesswise. It can be Moro or Scrooge, although I certainly would not rely on this.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:42:05
How does the dark piece of cloth refer to either you or me? I don't get it, so please provide an explanation.
everything is very simple. evidence can point to anything. including on the avatar. I took it and just knitted it all. you have black clothes and hunting. Todd is not connected with the mafia. maybe I took it from the sky, but this is the first association

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:43:09
Execution demands an simple majority vote. When the day ends, the player with the most votes is lynched. If more than one player get the same number of votes, the player who gained the number first if lynched. If the majority abstains, the day ends without execution.

But the greatest thing is that the rule been changed! And to exact redaction, I always playing with, simply great. No drawish voting, there is always a tie break.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:43:33
But what does the dark cloth means? To me, black is always a mafia.

Yes it is, but as you said
As mafia are "Hand of the Queen"
Todd is rather maniac, he is not mafia. To me it's a hint to someone, and as Goose said, it may be
the piece of cloth that was left on the table indicates me hunting and caramel.
Hints are based on someone's profile, description, name and even avatar. Make a conclusion
Anyway, if so, this hint too easy for only second night, so who knows, I'm not really sure
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:44:56

liz is dead. otherwise the lack of intervention I can not explain
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:45:12
What I would definitely think about is the highlighted nomenklatura.
I have not yet understood what this means, but it can be important.
Okay, then, now I'm more interested in the version of questions that Sue wrote, if there was one.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:46:56
everything is very simple. evidence can point to anything. including on the avatar. I took it and just knitted it all. you have black clothes and hunting. Todd is not connected with the mafia. maybe I took it from the sky, but this is the first association

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/godeater/images/7/7d/Tachibana_Sakuya.jpg/)

The close of mine is actually green, but it could not be seen too well in the small picture. It's possible, that it's dark of some sort, but I always thought about it as a green.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:50:41
Thanks for the valuable comments, Sue.
All I can see is that Shiori did not become an obvious mafia and was not called peaceful, which means that his answers were ambiguous in any case, assuming, of course, that the role of Liz was found correctly.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:54:30
Hints are based on someone's profile, description, name and even avatar. Make a conclusion
Anyway, if so, this hint too easy for only second night, so who knows, I'm not really sure

By that logic, I can say, that Uranium has a "Dark Confidant" in his profile.  ^_^ But I still doubt that such an approach works.

close
clothes - stupid autocorrector.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 16, 2020, 10:56:16
At first, I generally thought that judging by the choice of the victim, I am specifically wrong in the colors (and / or not only me).
But judging by the fact that the killing is faceless, that is, it could not break through the treatment, still not. Though a little bit I did, and I think I should play with all three who are now commenting on the newspaper, since the mafia would first of all take it apart and then invent it in the subject.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 11:00:50
The close of mine is actually green, but it could not be seen too well in the small picture. It's possible, that it's dark of some sort, but I always thought about it as a green.

I searched this character and this color doesn't seem like green, seriously :с
I have an experience in such thing!  black, but because of the lighting it seems green
Спойлер
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a6/98/9c/a6989c24570343174aaa2db8101c1824.jpg)

"Dark Confidant"

it also has a place to be but as "hint to profile picture" it seems to easy, or it should be like that?
cuz then I have no idea
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 16, 2020, 11:05:48
it also has a place to be but as "hint to profile picture" it seems to easy, or it should be like that?
cuz then I have no idea
Forget it.
It must be mega-complex.
The first evidence on a maniac cannot be easy. If you want, we can open past games and find an example there.
And in general, a maniac is a mafia problem, let them look for him.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 11:08:55
At first, I generally thought that judging by the choice of the victim, I am specifically wrong in the colors (and / or not only me).
But judging by the fact that the killing is faceless, that is, it could not break through the treatment, still not. Though a little bit I did, and I think I should play with all three who are now commenting on the newspaper, since the mafia would first of all take it apart and then invent it in the subject.

Ok, I admit, you're right. But I was pretty sure that in the game I was playing - it was green, but seems my mind playing tricks on me - was too much time ago.

I have no idea how hard it should be here. Where I played - there were no hints at all or they were very straightforward
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 16, 2020, 11:14:54
Let me have a little time, but I can vote in advance. As some people wanted.

But I don’t have time for the rest. I will be later.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 16, 2020, 11:18:41
that's what is strange. You used to laugh my questions off, but now you make excuses. I don’t see any green here. but you know! maybe I really look from afar at this article and don't really think about the details. I will write something else when I find it. the anonymous mouse is also very suspicious. He came and hung it. without any explanation. but in any case, I will not vote for you, Kara! I'm so used to you. Hunting? I am waiting for his messages and then I will draw conclusions.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 11:24:25
that's what is strange. You used to laugh my questions off, but now you make excuses. I don’t see any green here. but you know! maybe I really look from afar at this article and don't really think about the details. I will write something else when I find it. the anonymous mouse is also very suspicious. He came and hung it. without any explanation. but in any case, I will not vote for you, Kara! I'm so used to you. Hunting? I am waiting for his messages and then I will draw conclusions.

When you have junk questions - you get such replies, but this time you were reasonable. As it's helpful to the town I did reply in a proper manner. If your questions will be like that - that I'm not gonna laugh you off.

Forget it.
It must be mega-complex.
The first evidence on a maniac cannot be easy. If you want, we can open past games and find an example there.
And in general, a maniac is a mafia problem, let them look for him.

So very complex? Hm, I have no idea where to look at then.

Yes, in general, if the manic wants to win - he is playing against the mafia.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 16, 2020, 11:32:35
It's probably complex. Dark cloth - dark matter, or there can be Malevich with his painting... Anything possible.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 11:33:31
Thanks for the valuable comments, Sue.
All I can see is that Shiori did not become an obvious mafia and was not called peaceful, which means that his answers were ambiguous in any case, assuming, of course, that the role of Liz was found correctly.

Oh, I missed that post with Sue's suspicions. It's interesting, that she did not mention shiori there. Either she is unsure about him or on the contrary sure that he is not a mafia. I have no idea what to think about it for now.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 16, 2020, 11:46:23
So very complex? Hm, I have no idea where to look at then.
I can play the lead who makes the first evidence on you maniac.
Open the wiki caramel. Something the page is scarce, let's move on to the values. Oh caramel movie. Filming ended a few days before the outbreak of the war between Israel and Lebanon. During this war, an operation of "bunch of anger" was carried out. As we know, this is Steinbeck’s novel, based on which John Ford’s film was shot. And his other Oscar-winning film is the "informant."
This word will be a hint.
And this I have not painted the most difficult option.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: SamPie от Апреля 16, 2020, 12:07:06
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen! But a good day will be when I read our love .. Oh my god .. Sue .. I have known her since childhood .. my goodness! My best durg Bratuha777! Lord, how did this happen? .. I swear to God that I will find everyone who did this to them I will turn them into a miserable semblance of dog food!  >:( >:( >:(
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 16, 2020, 12:12:52
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While not losing hope for solving this mystery, we offer deepest condolences to everyone who knew Bratuxa both personally and businesswise.
I thought something, Moro doesn’t roll either. Scrooge comes up, but it's too good to be true.
In the city, either no one fits, or you can pull half of the city.
In order:
Marple - definitely not, well, which of the businesswise detectives.
Sherlock is a doctor of medicine. Yes, somehow, too, no, medicine is certainly a business, and in this regard it is possible to pull, but it is.
The Beagle is definitely not there, in the newspaper there is nothing like a reflected counterattack.
Robin is a cybernet, all things. He can be known outside, but this can only be guessed at.
Jeeves fits relatively. Served by the rich is not quite something, although you can pull it.
Oliver would not have died from a maniac’s bullet so quickly (except for a very rare case, when two flew into him yesterday, and today is finishing it). In a vacum, it does not stretch well on the proletariat.
Alice is a hostess in a bar, such a businessman.
Griffin is invisible, he hardly has such a reputation as described.
Liz journalist, you can pull, but we understand that, most likely, this is Sue.
Orlando who copied Scrooge. Well, perhaps it was only unlikely that he was copying the ignore of the block, and hardly so generous as to heal not himself. And in this case, he could die only if he was prevented by the block-transfer. What cannot be ruled out.

You see errors in the reasoning - let us know while Scrooge / Orlando is the most likely victim, if I at least understand something in the descriptions, but we will still play from 4 mafia - safety precautions.

at his home, beside the desktop
This is another indirect confirmation.
But I still want to hear any other options. Killed mafia is too easy.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 12:34:29
One may ask himself—is it possible that the London affairs get any worse than they already are? The truth is, this inquiry has the precise, trusty answer: It is always a strong possibility. Each and every piece of news merely compliments the bigger picture of the Regal Organization slowly undermining its own basis.
But Bratuha, we rotated in businesswise. It can be Moro or Scrooge, although I certainly would not rely on this

If Bratuxa was Scrooge for real, then first quote may connect with his death, but I'm not sure that I understand this correctly. But may be

>Scrooge comes up, but it's too good to be true
there's still a chance that the victim was a Scrooge. regarding to others role - I don't see anyone who related to business, exept Alice (don't think that London affairs get any worse after her death, it's just a bar, not serious business. or I may be mistaken?) and maybe Jeeves, cuz he served by the rich. so yeah, as you said, Scrooge more likely. or, at least, Orlando
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 13:22:39
This is another indirect confirmation.
But I still want to hear any other options. Killed mafia is too easy.

No one other does business beside Scrooge, at least directly.

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I can play the lead who makes the first evidence on you maniac.
Open the wiki caramel. Something the page is scarce, let's move on to the values. Oh caramel movie. Filming ended a few days before the outbreak of the war between Israel and Lebanon. During this war, an operation of "bunch of anger" was carried out. As we know, this is Steinbeck’s novel, based on which John Ford’s film was shot. And his other Oscar-winning film is the "informant."
This word will be a hint.
And this I have not painted the most difficult option.

It's really complicated and there is lot of NOT common knowledge.

So, basically it works like this:
1. Uranium235 was used during the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki;
2. "The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy had decried the use of the atomic bombs as adopting "an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages". So Dark ages are something close to the dark cloth
3. "The first eyewitness account by war correspondent William L. Laurence of The New York Times". New York, interesting. Ah, Mary Poppings is "the The Duke of York".

So you are mafia and Mary Poppins.

Does it work like this? Don't take it too seriously, however, I surprised, that I very easily found such facts.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 14:21:43
It seemed to me that the second day would be much eaiser with a lot of information, but instead of getting answers I get a twice more questions...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 16, 2020, 14:59:54
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While not losing hope for solving this mystery, we offer deepest condolences to everyone who knew Bratuxa both personally and businesswise.
I thought something, Moro doesn’t roll either. Scrooge comes up, but it's too good to be true.
In the city, either no one fits, or you can pull half of the city.
In order:
Marple - definitely not, well, which of the businesswise detectives.
Sherlock is a doctor of medicine. Yes, somehow, too, no, medicine is certainly a business, and in this regard it is possible to pull, but it is.
The Beagle is definitely not there, in the newspaper there is nothing like a reflected counterattack.
Robin is a cybernet, all things. He can be known outside, but this can only be guessed at.
Jeeves fits relatively. Served by the rich is not quite something, although you can pull it.
Oliver would not have died from a maniac’s bullet so quickly (except for a very rare case, when two flew into him yesterday, and today is finishing it). In a vacum, it does not stretch well on the proletariat.
Alice is a hostess in a bar, such a businessman.
Griffin is invisible, he hardly has such a reputation as described.
Liz journalist, you can pull, but we understand that, most likely, this is Sue.
Orlando who copied Scrooge. Well, perhaps it was only unlikely that he was copying the ignore of the block, and hardly so generous as to heal not himself. And in this case, he could die only if he was prevented by the block-transfer. What cannot be ruled out.

You see errors in the reasoning - let us know while Scrooge / Orlando is the most likely victim, if I at least understand something in the descriptions, but we will still play from 4 mafia - safety precautions.

at his home, beside the desktop
This is another indirect confirmation.
But I still want to hear any other options. Killed mafia is too easy.
t's so hard to read. it feels like I watched the program about the secret conspiracies of the Maason. what about senpai? he came, wrote something about death and left. isn't it strange behavior?



Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen! But a good day will be when I read our love .. Oh my god .. Sue .. I have known her since childhood .. my goodness! My best durg Bratuha777! Lord, how did this happen? .. I swear to God that I will find everyone who did this to them I will turn them into a miserable semblance of dog food!  >:( >:( >:(

oh and about black material
it feels like he's getting nervous.
this player’s activity was zero in this thread and it doesn’t cause me any confidence
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 15:05:51
t's so hard to read. it feels like I watched the program about the secret conspiracies of the Maason. what about senpai? he came, wrote something about death and left. isn't it strange behavior?

it is. you know why? he didn't notice

anyways, there's nothing to discuss — the only one who directly connected with business was Scrooge. such fast death, but I can't see any alternative options. you may correct me ofc

oh and about black material
it feels like he's getting nervous.
this player’s activity was zero in this thread and it doesn’t cause me any confidence

more like an attempt to defuse the discussion with jokes and somehow fit in, not sure that is too serious for him. but he's gone again

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 16, 2020, 15:11:32
it is. you know why? he didn't notice

anyways, there's nothing to discuss — the only one who directly connected with business was Scrooge. such fast death, but I can't see any alternative options. you may correct me ofc
 
more like an attempt to defuse the discussion with jokes and somehow fit in, not sure that is too serious for him. but he's gone again


No, my dear partner, you are all right. I am sure that he is dead.

it is. you know why? he didn't notice

anyways, there's nothing to discuss — the only one who directly connected with business was Scrooge. such fast death, but I can't see any alternative options. you may correct me ofc
 
more like an attempt to defuse the discussion with jokes and somehow fit in, not sure that is too serious for him. but he's gone again


well, I should have any reason to hang. I took any and pulled her. don't take it seriously :postrock:

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 15:22:17

well, I should have any reason to hang. I took any and pulled her. don't take it seriously :postrock:

don't hang yourself! You still have a big deal in this world, Goose
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 16, 2020, 15:45:54

well, I should have any reason to hang. I took any and pulled her. don't take it seriously :postrock:

don't hang yourself! You still have a big deal in this world, Goose

time-terrible thing! they will defeat me! I want to find a reason to hang sampai!


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 16, 2020, 16:28:10
So... This situation is bad to my mind. Two of us  have been killed. About Kara mel facts I do not know what could i say about. On one hand on Uranium we have some evidences, on the other hand - we have not absolute sure about him. Perhaps somebody has another facts or assumtions or hypothesis?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 16:34:00
So... This situation is bad to my mind. Two of us  have been killed. About Kara mel facts I do not know what could i say about. On one hand on Uranium we have some evidences, on the other hand - we have not absolute sure about him. Perhaps somebody has another facts or assumtions or hypothesis?

what evidences do you have? I did not see something that could point on him. or do you mean that Kara's post?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 16:43:06
what evidences do you have? I did not see something that could point on him. or do you mean that Kara's post?

My post is not for evidence, but for understanding the logic behind hints. But facts I showed there are real.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 16:46:58
what evidences do you have? I did not see something that could point on him. or do you mean that Kara's post?

My post is not for evidence, but for understanding the logic behind hints. But facts I showed there are real.

I understood this and I am not sure that Drusha too, that's why I asked him
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 17:43:10
01.  pastor chivay - he gave a very quick analysis of the interview and became looking like a confident guy (not a lost lamb). I have a little bit of idea who he might be, so I'll paint him red.
I thought that Pastor is LIZ, due to his quick and very precise analysis of the interview - I decided that he was the man, who wrote it. But if we got it right and Sue was LIZ - it's not working.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 17:58:10

I thought that Pastor is LIZ, due to his quick and very precise analysis of the interview - I decided that he was the man, who wrote it. But if we got it right and Sue was LIZ - it's not working.

So what do you think now?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 16, 2020, 18:32:15
Okay, some thoughts on today's newspaper. There were more, but some were lost in the process.

The first report is of particular peculiarity. Sue Sharlin was found at her armchair. On her rigid face there stood a mixed expression of horror and surprise, such as has never been seen upon human features. Nothing was touched in the room; Schotland Yard has not a single assumption of what might have caused such a malignant and terrible contortion. Sue was deeply loved by many of us, and this loss will be deeply mourned.

There are two hints that Sue is a journalist. This is also indicated by the absence of an interview - the prevailing practice of the mafia to kill and block at the same time.

Why was Sue killed?

1) she is an active player. Such players are dangerous for the mafia.

2) She was under suspicion of Uranus - players under suspicion have less chance of help arriving. I do not blame Uranus, as I myself suggested that doctors / guards visit Julik1221. This is just a fact.

3) She actively resisted the hang. The mafia could assume either that Sue is a maniac, or that she has an important city's role. And she had one of the most important city's roles.

4)An important point. To quote Sue:

I want to speak out too. I think that members of the game not activ already now. Let's eliminate !today! a player who didn't write something. If he isn't activ now i think he won't activ in future. Falcon hunting wrote something in begining of the party. I10ha even more so.
I suggest Dmixn, Putin mod.2, Bratuxa777, Julik1221, SamPie or InVictA

The mafia has this property - it is objectively difficult for them to write a lot. In fact, the average mafia player writes very little. It takes them a lot of time just to plan their atrocities. They really have no much time to write in the subject.
More experienced players can write a lot, but here we have players who are mostly inexperienced.

Therefore, Sue’s proposal was very unpleasant for them. I do not risk anything if I say that there are at least two mafiosi on the Sue list, and I take very little risk if I say that there are three of them.
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The second case seems to be more obvious—but more graphic. Do not let your younglings read it! The body of Bratuxa777 was found in the morning, again, at his home, beside the desktop. Layers of blood all over the room that were present, together with the victim's scalp (that was absent), were signs strong enough for even Scotland Yard to grasp exactly what happened this time. What still bewilders the tecs, though, is the tiny piece of dark cloth, rectangular in shape, found under the table. While not losing hope for solving this mystery, we offer deepest condolences to everyone who knew Bratuxa both personally and businesswise.

What attracts interest in this description? Desktop - we have two roles of Internet hackers. Hyde and Christopher Robin. There is also Miss Marple, but I suspect there would have been a hint of crossword puzzles there.

The second hint, yes, I agree - buissnesswise.
Mafia. Cosa Nostra. Literally "Our Business" in Italian.

And one more option - Mr. Jekyll and Dr. Hyde may just be relate to - "personally and businesswise".

The maniac, it seems, also believes that members of the mafia should be sought among the most silent.

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Well, then we have news about large-scale data leaks. Apparently, the mafiosi managed to find one of the old foes - Marple or Sherlock. And this means that there is only one option left for the formation of an city group.
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We can also try to solve the hint on a maniac. Just keep in mind that here, most likely, everything is important - and that is dark, and that is rectangular, and that is tiny ...

In general, a description of what it can be at all?


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 16, 2020, 19:07:15
The first report is of particular peculiarity. Sue Sharlin was found at her armchair. On her rigid face there stood a mixed expression of horror and surprise, such as has never been seen upon human features. Nothing was touched in the room; Schotland Yard has not a single assumption of what might have caused such a malignant and terrible contortion. Sue was deeply loved by many of us, and this loss will be deeply mourned.
The first kill is made by gang. The killer could be either Scrooge with weapon capitalism or jekyll001 with none weapon. But I do not see any hint, so the killer is Mary with cleanup. It is hard to determine the role of victim. Armchair and rigid face — strongly associated with Miss Marple for me. Or Biggles but he has veteran ability.
The second case seems to be more obvious—but more graphic. Do not let your younglings read it! The body of Bratuxa777 was found in the morning, again, at his home, beside the desktop. Layers of blood all over the room that were present, together with the victim's scalp (that was absent), were signs strong enough for even Scotland Yard to grasp exactly what happened this time. What still bewilders the tecs, though, is the tiny piece of dark cloth, rectangular in shape, found under the table. While not losing hope for solving this mystery, we offer deepest condolences to everyone who knew Bratuxa both personally and businesswise.
The maniac's kill. The hint is "tiny piece of dark cloth, rectangular in shape". Victim was found near desktop, so it could be Miss Marple again, but she has laptop, not desktop, or Chris. Also Scrooge and Jekyll can match.

We can see that Fergus Fume is the murders' author. So George E. G. Watt looks like the author which describe other night events. It is hard to say precisely but nomenklatura and red tape draw to thoughts about Oliver. But I can not connect his potential actions with public events. He is the defender but there was not any defense this night. Also article write about large-scale data leaks. It can be some important checks. Maybe from gang because of counterbalancing with prols. Overall mood of the article is pessimistic. Maybe it means that both victims were citizens.

And there is no interview from Liz. It can be block from Jekyll, Chris, Griffin and Orlando.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 19:07:47
,
Wow, did not expect
Great analysis of newspaper btw

 About businesswise — yep, seems that victim was Scrooge. That's fun actually.

I also have some thoughts about "large-scale data leaks". That's interesting. It was second night and as we know, one of Robin's passive actions is "White hat", which give him information about the role or name of the player who visited him at night. As it was even night, then, obviously, someone visited him and he knew who. Maybe it was mafia. Alternative - Hyde checked the Mrs Marple, as somebody
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told me
said.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 16, 2020, 19:13:23
Still alive (13):
And let the music begins!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 16, 2020, 19:33:22
The close of mine is actually green, but it could not be seen too well in the small picture. It's possible, that it's dark of some sort, but I always thought about it as a green.
Wanted to say "Like for avatar!"  :tea: But I prefer this art more:

(https://funkyimg.com/p/341Np.png) (https://funkyimg.com/view/341Np)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 16, 2020, 19:40:12
time-terrible thing! they will defeat me! I want to find a reason to hang sampai!

In general, his post looks as if he was kicked in maf-chat - write at least something.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 16, 2020, 20:04:50
First version about the hint.

Цитировать
tiny piece of dark cloth, rectangular in shape

Tartan is the cloth with rectangular pattern and symbol of Scotland. The people of Scotland are poetically the Highlanders.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnJt9p-sHho

And. Mahakam from Witcher setting is the mountain state. The bond between scottish & mahakamian highlands is not very solid, but this could be a hypothesis that the hint points to mahakamian Chivay.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 20:05:53

I thought that Pastor is LIZ, due to his quick and very precise analysis of the interview - I decided that he was the man, who wrote it. But if we got it right and Sue was LIZ - it's not working.

So what do you think now?

I think, that you have a sharp mind, but not red now. Very close to it, but not fully.



The close of mine is actually green, but it could not be seen too well in the small picture. It's possible, that it's dark of some sort, but I always thought about it as a green.
Wanted to say "Like for avatar!"  :tea: But I prefer this art more:

(https://funkyimg.com/p/341Np.png) (https://funkyimg.com/view/341Np)

This art is definitely better, but when I've chosen avatar (and I use it at the full length at one forum) there were 2 problems:
1. Too wide;
2. Didn't found with transparent background;


Also, I like the pose on my current avatar, such cocky over the shoulder look.




time-terrible thing! they will defeat me! I want to find a reason to hang sampai!

In general, his post looks as if he was kicked in maf-chat - write at least something.

Nice analysis, now you're not silent and definitely growing up in my list.

I have told about Goose all previous day, that he writes something, but not useful. And I was told to stop by Uranium.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 16, 2020, 20:17:25
Armchair and rigid face — strongly associated with Miss Marple for me. Or Biggles but he has veteran ability.
But there is also a more specific phrase "has never been seen upon human features" that tells us the Sue was not human and there is no interview. It's really hard to say something else besides LIZ was Sue.

Technically there is another not human - Mary Poppins (probably a cyborg), but then she must be killed by a maniac or she had no protection and got shot by Biggles. How big chances that interview could be blocked and Sue is not a LIZ? Imho it's a bit surrealistic.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 16, 2020, 20:35:06
But there is also a more specific phrase "has never been seen upon human features" that tells us the Sue was not human and there is no interview. It's really hard to say something else besides LIZ was Sue.
I analyze paper at first usually to have not impact from thoughts of others. Now the version with victim-LIZ looks better than mine.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 16, 2020, 23:00:44
Tartan is the cloth with rectangular pattern and symbol of Scotland. The people of Scotland are poetically the Highlanders.

Good interpretation
But it is not said that this piece of cloth has a pattern or something else, it's dark. I searched this, and Scotland's tartan is often different, but the main color scheme is saturated. As for me it's important, this would simplify the search for real. Anyways, "Tiny piece of dark cloth" is too general, so it can be attributed to anything, as I compared this to Kara's profile picture and made a mistake. Regarding to Mahakam — it can be compared to other mountain countries. It’s too hypothetical and indirect comparison, because Scotland and the Mahakam are completely different things, even if they seem similar. You can match this two countries, although there's no such direct resemblance to Scotland (as you said), except mountain range and highlanders

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the strongest argument - there's no dwarves in Scotland!

[You take a sip of Dwarven Spirit]

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 17, 2020, 06:43:09
In general, today we have one question - should we risk hanging some of the silent. One or two mafiosi among them are. I do not think that mafiosi will take risks to hang someone, with a living maniac and a veteran. However, there is some risk that one of the town's newcomers may leave a vote and we will have an unwanted hanged man.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 17, 2020, 09:05:50
I do not like both silent players and verbose players, so it is a good idea.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 17, 2020, 12:05:59
This time I'll divide all the player to active and inactive and give my overview as follow:


Active:

01.  pastor chivay - as I told - thought that he is LIZ, but now it's clear, that he is not. But still, he is a way to active for the mafia and mostly logical and consistently sharp-minded. I don't think, that new player will play in such a style for the mafia. Almost red.
05.  l10ha - most of his babbling is useless but tried to proclaim me as a mafia based on the outfit of my avatar and that is really nice move, giving him much more credit. While he's having fun with Pastor - Pastor is still far more trustworthy. Really strange, that Uranium235 said not to argue with the Goose. Ok, this day I will not show any disrespect to his way of playing. Color: under Uranium235 defense.
06.  Falcon hunting - seems, that a midnight wanderer will be right alias to him, as he never wrote anything useful during the day and by that avoided all possible debates. Ash-colored
07.  shiori - one thing I like about him, as he gave his analysis before reading the most popular vision in the topic. If it hasn't been done deliberately - that is the town player trait. I still see him as close to red.
14.  Anony-mouse - changed his playstyle from "let me be a selfish bystander" to "let's make the analysis great again". It's a sudden change, almost as if he wants to take the lead over the Uranium235. With such a sudden change is more black.
15.  Uranium235 - showed a complicated way of hint-solving, so this should be the town player, as from the mafia point of view - there is nothing better for the town to follow the wrong way by themselves. Red.




This section can be called as "fifty shades of gray", and it would be 100% correct. How is it even possible to analyze inactive players? For me, it's much easier to find reasoning against an active player, rather than against inactive, but still, I'll give it a try.

Almost purely inactive:
02.  Dmixn - one hi and nothing more. Inactive today and not interest in a game. I believe, that such players should be kicked out by the host, not by the town.
12.  InVictA - not active since the 15th of April, so he has no interest in his NA.
10.  Julik1221 - never wrote anything, but mentioned in the analysis once. Have no idea what to think about him.
11.  SamPie - one post and it's too much for entry. Tiny darker than gray.

Voted:
03.  Putin mod.2 - voted for No one, so he has some interest and doesn't want to be thought about him as inactive.
08.  Drusha - voted for No one, had one resume message, where I did not like "This situation is bad to my mind. Two of us  have been killed.". Us - meaning the town, but I do not trust such statements at all - mostly they are always fake. Close to black.


In actives, I have two candidates for now - Falcon hunting and Anony-mouse.
In inactive - Drusha is the darkest, but other options are available.

Oh, forgot to say, that  Putin mod.2 is almost the same as Drusha, so if to chose from inactive - one of them looks promising target to me.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 12:26:56
This time I'll divide all the player to active and inactive and give my overview as follow:


Active:

01.  pastor chivay - as I told - thought that he is LIZ, but now it's clear, that he is not. But still, he is a way to active for the mafia and mostly logical and consistently sharp-minded. I don't think, that new player will play in such a style for the mafia. Almost red.
05.  l10ha - most of his babbling is useless but tried to proclaim me as a mafia based on the outfit of my avatar and that is really nice move, giving him much more credit. While he's having fun with Pastor - Pastor is still far more trustworthy. Really strange, that Uranium235 said not to argue with the Goose. Ok, this day I will not show any disrespect to his way of playing. Color: under Uranium235 defense.
06.  Falcon hunting - seems, that a midnight wanderer will be right alias to him, as he never wrote anything useful during the day and by that avoided all possible debates. Ash-colored
07.  shiori - one thing I like about him, as he gave his analysis before reading the most popular vision in the topic. If it hasn't been done deliberately - that is the town player trait. I still see him as close to red.
14.  Anony-mouse - changed his playstyle from "let me be a selfish bystander" to "let's make the analysis great again". It's a sudden change, almost as if he wants to take the lead over the Uranium235. With such a sudden change is more black.
15.  Uranium235 - showed a complicated way of hint-solving, so this should be the town player, as from the mafia point of view - there is nothing better for the town to follow the wrong way by themselves. Red.




This section can be called as "fifty shades of gray", and it would be 100% correct. How is it even possible to analyze inactive players? For me, it's much easier to find reasoning against an active player, rather than against inactive, but still, I'll give it a try.

Almost purely inactive:
02.  Dmixn - one hi and nothing more. Inactive today and not interest in a game. I believe, that such players should be kicked out by the host, not by the town.
12.  InVictA - not active since the 15th of April, so he has no interest in his NA.
10.  Julik1221 - never wrote anything, but mentioned in the analysis once. Have no idea what to think about him.
11.  SamPie - one post and it's too much for entry. Tiny darker than gray.

Voted:
03.  Putin mod.2 - voted for No one, so he has some interest and doesn't want to be thought about him as inactive.
08.  Drusha - voted for No one, had one resume message, where I did not like "This situation is bad to my mind. Two of us  have been killed.". Us - meaning the town, but I do not trust such statements at all - mostly they are always fake. Close to black.


In actives, I have two candidates for now - Falcon hunting and Anony-mouse.
In inactive - Drusha is the darkest, but other options are available.

Oh, forgot to say, that  Putin mod.2 is almost the same as Drusha, so if to chose from inactive - one of them looks promising target to me.
I want to note that uranium did not say that it is protecting me. he said stop looking for each other's suspicions. don’t you see that I’ve been trying to say something important for two days now? the more often you try to offend me, the dumber my messages become.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 17, 2020, 12:31:43
I want to note that uranium did not say that it is protecting me. he said stop looking for each other's suspicions. don’t you see that I’ve been trying to say something important for two days now? the more often you try to offend me, the dumber my messages become.
It's passive patronage, considering I was suspecting you - and he told to stop.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 12:36:27
I want to note that uranium did not say that it is protecting me. he said stop looking for each other's suspicions. don’t you see that I’ve been trying to say something important for two days now? the more often you try to offend me, the dumber my messages become.
It's passive patronage, considering I was suspecting you - and he told to stop.
suspect me as much as you like. I said everything in the last message. and about empty messages too.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 17, 2020, 12:50:08
08.  Drusha - voted for No one, had one resume message, where I did not like "This situation is bad to my mind. Two of us  have been killed.". Us - meaning the town, but I do not trust such statements at all - mostly they are always fake. Close to black.


In actives, I have two candidates for now - Falcon hunting and Anony-mouse.
In inactive - Drusha is the darkest, but other options are available.

Oh, forgot to say, that  Putin mod.2 is almost the same as Drusha, so if to chose from inactive - one of them looks promising target to me.


Hello! Kara Mel i do not understand how my messages give you an opinion that i have a bad role? To my mind this is very suspiciously to say that somebody is bad person only because he or she didnt spam in chat. It is my first note. Secondly, How i had said Shiori to my mind is innocent because we have not logical way to make him a murderer with LIZ questions.  So to my mind one or two murderers are in the active writers and 1 or 2 murderers are silent. Thirdly, we have a prodlems - two of us have been dead. It is really very risky - hang up somebody in whome we have not any sureness. To my mind we should ask Uranium more and more questions. Because only for him we have some evidences...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 13:03:00
Hello! Kara Mel i do not understand how my messages give you an opinion that i have a bad role? To my mind this is very suspiciously to say that somebody is bad person only because he or she didnt spam in chat. It is my first note. Secondly, How i had said Shiori to my mind is innocent because we have not logical way to make him a murderer with LIZ questions.  So to my mind one or two murderers are in the active writers and 1 or 2 murderers are silent. Thirdly, we have a prodlems - two of us have been dead. It is really very risky - hang up somebody in whome we have not any sureness. To my mind we should ask Uranium more and more questions. Because only for him we have some evidences...
the first thing I would hang you with. uranium is an understandable person. get rid of inactive = the best thing to do xD

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 17, 2020, 13:14:16
Hello! Kara Mel i do not understand how my messages give you an opinion that i have a bad role? To my mind this is very suspiciously to say that somebody is bad person only because he or she didnt spam in chat. It is my first note. Secondly, How i had said Shiori to my mind is innocent because we have not logical way to make him a murderer with LIZ questions.  So to my mind one or two murderers are in the active writers and 1 or 2 murderers are silent. Thirdly, we have a prodlems - two of us have been dead. It is really very risky - hang up somebody in whome we have not any sureness. To my mind we should ask Uranium more and more questions. Because only for him we have some evidences...

You're mistaken, pal.
1. It's suspicious to say, that you're peaceful if you're silent.
2. Of "us" is a very big stretch from your side, too suspicious. Your way of writing is quite not peaceful for my taste. You're not saying "There is some evidence", but "we have some". Strongly implication to the town, which is not usually used by the town players, but I saw plenty of newbies mafia who used such a way of writing.
3. What evidence do YOU have against Uranium235  as I do not have any?
4. LIZ interview is not clear, as it's not clear where the lie is said. More interestingly, that Sue did not mention him in her will.
5. You wrote something direct only after accusation but stayed silent before that.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 17, 2020, 14:27:16
Hello! Kara Mel i do not understand how my messages give you an opinion that i have a bad role? To my mind this is very suspiciously to say that somebody is bad person only because he or she didnt spam in chat. It is my first note. Secondly, How i had said Shiori to my mind is innocent because we have not logical way to make him a murderer with LIZ questions.  So to my mind one or two murderers are in the active writers and 1 or 2 murderers are silent. Thirdly, we have a prodlems - two of us have been dead. It is really very risky - hang up somebody in whome we have not any sureness. To my mind we should ask Uranium more and more questions. Because only for him we have some evidences...

You're mistaken, pal.
1. It's suspicious to say, that you're peaceful if you're silent.
2. Of "us" is a very big stretch from your side, too suspicious. Your way of writing is quite not peaceful for my taste. You're not saying "There is some evidence", but "we have some". Strongly implication to the town, which is not usually used by the town players, but I saw plenty of newbies mafia who used such a way of writing.
3. What evidence do YOU have against Uranium235  as I do not have any?
4. LIZ interview is not clear, as it's not clear where the lie is said. More interestingly, that Sue did not mention him in her will.
5. You wrote something direct only after accusation but stayed silent before that.
So... Perhaps your thinks are logical in your opinion, but no. I always so inactive how lha said. Because i didnt like to say so much. I said only if i absolutely sure. The way of writing is not an argument because I thought that I am the part of the town. The most of players are inactive. Only 6 players in the city are not innocent. Usually the sitation is that mafia players are the most active during the day because it is in need for them make an illusion in minds of innocents that they are good guys. In conclusion, I think that Kara mel or Uranium have bad roles because of: About uranium everyone know. About Kara mel - she tries to hang inactive players. For mafia it is profitable because they will win. About another players i have not my own opinion.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 17, 2020, 14:45:48
Hello! Kara Mel i do not understand how my messages give you an opinion that i have a bad role? To my mind this is very suspiciously to say that somebody is bad person only because he or she didnt spam in chat. It is my first note. Secondly, How i had said Shiori to my mind is innocent because we have not logical way to make him a murderer with LIZ questions.  So to my mind one or two murderers are in the active writers and 1 or 2 murderers are silent. Thirdly, we have a prodlems - two of us have been dead. It is really very risky - hang up somebody in whome we have not any sureness. To my mind we should ask Uranium more and more questions. Because only for him we have some evidences...

You're mistaken, pal.
1. It's suspicious to say, that you're peaceful if you're silent.
2. Of "us" is a very big stretch from your side, too suspicious. Your way of writing is quite not peaceful for my taste. You're not saying "There is some evidence", but "we have some". Strongly implication to the town, which is not usually used by the town players, but I saw plenty of newbies mafia who used such a way of writing.
3. What evidence do YOU have against Uranium235  as I do not have any?
4. LIZ interview is not clear, as it's not clear where the lie is said. More interestingly, that Sue did not mention him in her will.
5. You wrote something direct only after accusation but stayed silent before that.
So about my suggestion - not to hang up. At first day hints were too difficult and nobody has a thinks about that they about. So i am not keen on method of vanga because of it was my decision not to vote. And about my english writing - this argument is really very strange because everuone has his own style of writing - this called as psyho track. I am not the best in English because of it I use words and constructions that i knew and i absoulutely sure in their meanings.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 17, 2020, 14:46:17
So... Perhaps your thinks are logical in your opinion, but no. I always so inactive how lha said. Because i didnt like to say so much. I said only if i absolutely sure. The way of writing is not an argument because I thought that I am the part of the town. The most of players are inactive. Only 6 players in the city are not innocent. Usually the sitation is that mafia players are the most active during the day because it is in need for them make an illusion in minds of innocents that they are good guys. In conclusion, I think that Kara mel or Uranium have bad roles because of: About uranium everyone know. About Kara mel - she tries to hang inactive players. For mafia it is profitable because they will win. About another players i have not my own opinion.

You're reading between the lines, aren't you? If you would spend a couple more minutes, you would have noticed, that I've outlined both active and inactive players and stated those, who are more suspicious to me. There is no decision of who should go down, and you're implying, that I'm trying to hang inactive players, which is not correct.

You have dodged the question once again - why Uranium? "About uranium everyone know" is not a trustworthy opinion. You should say why do you think so, maybe quote something.

Also, Uranium once said - if you gonna be silent - how do you planning to win if you're playing for the town? The silence tactic does not work, so your suggestion about the silence of peaceful players is not true.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 17, 2020, 14:54:14
So... Perhaps your thinks are logical in your opinion, but no. I always so inactive how lha said. Because i didnt like to say so much. I said only if i absolutely sure. The way of writing is not an argument because I thought that I am the part of the town. The most of players are inactive. Only 6 players in the city are not innocent. Usually the sitation is that mafia players are the most active during the day because it is in need for them make an illusion in minds of innocents that they are good guys. In conclusion, I think that Kara mel or Uranium have bad roles because of: About uranium everyone know. About Kara mel - she tries to hang inactive players. For mafia it is profitable because they will win. About another players i have not my own opinion.

You're reading between the lines, aren't you? If you would spend a couple more minutes, you would have noticed, that I've outlined both active and inactive players and stated those, who are more suspicious to me. There is no decision of who should go down, and you're implying, that I'm trying to hang inactive players, which is not correct.

You have dodged the question once again - why Uranium? "About uranium everyone know" is not a trustworthy opinion. You should say why do you think so, maybe quote something.

Also, Uranium once said - if you gonna be silent - how do you planning to win if you're playing for the town? The silence tactic does not work, so your suggestion about the silence of peaceful players is not true.
Voted:
03.  Putin mod.2 - voted for No one, so he has some interest and doesn't want to be thought about him as inactive.
08.  Drusha - voted for No one, had one resume message, where I did not like "This situation is bad to my mind. Two of us  have been killed.". Us - meaning the town, but I do not trust such statements at all - mostly they are always fake. Close to black.
You are not trying to hang up silent players? You said in your answer that you think that I and Putin mod are not innocent. Your conclusion are not true because of statistic - we have 6 uninnocent roles. But at this game are 13 players. Active are only 4 players. One of them is mafia to my mind. So we have a lottery 50/50 we could kill mafia player but we could kill innocent too. The risks are too high. We should analise every facts from newspaper and because of it make a desicion without vanga cosplay.


So... Perhaps your thinks are logical in your opinion, but no. I always so inactive how lha said. Because i didnt like to say so much. I said only if i absolutely sure. The way of writing is not an argument because I thought that I am the part of the town. The most of players are inactive. Only 6 players in the city are not innocent. Usually the sitation is that mafia players are the most active during the day because it is in need for them make an illusion in minds of innocents that they are good guys. In conclusion, I think that Kara mel or Uranium have bad roles because of: About uranium everyone know. About Kara mel - she tries to hang inactive players. For mafia it is profitable because they will win. About another players i have not my own opinion.

You're reading between the lines, aren't you? If you would spend a couple more minutes, you would have noticed, that I've outlined both active and inactive players and stated those, who are more suspicious to me. There is no decision of who should go down, and you're implying, that I'm trying to hang inactive players, which is not correct.

You have dodged the question once again - why Uranium? "About uranium everyone know" is not a trustworthy opinion. You should say why do you think so, maybe quote something.

Also, Uranium once said - if you gonna be silent - how do you planning to win if you're playing for the town? The silence tactic does not work, so your suggestion about the silence of peaceful players is not true.
Perhaps in this we could see tipe of writing in that you have blamed me. To my mind in this conclusion you said, that you want to hang up silent players... Perhaps you have sometning another in mind but this read to me in this light...

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 17, 2020, 15:03:42
You are not trying to hang up silent players? You said in your answer that you think that I and Putin mod are not innocent. Your conclusion are not true because of statistic - we have 6 uninnocent roles. But at this game are 13 players. Active are only 4 players. One of them is mafia to my mind. So we have a lottery 50/50 we could kill mafia player but we could kill innocent too. The risks are too high. We should analise every facts from newspaper and because of it make a desicion without vanga cosplay.

There are 4 mafia and 2 maniacs, if to be precisely correct. Risks are too high? You're joking, right? If not hang anyone - eventually all the people will be killed. How do you planning gather facts if voting for "no one"? Playing based on only a newspaper? Pff, go on, impress me with your great analysis of 2 newspapers. What, you cannot? Then there is only one way to play - based on the behavior, mafia IS a phycological game, and even in the forum format, it's remaining the very same.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 17, 2020, 15:06:21
You are not trying to hang up silent players? You said in your answer that you think that I and Putin mod are not innocent. Your conclusion are not true because of statistic - we have 6 uninnocent roles. But at this game are 13 players. Active are only 4 players. One of them is mafia to my mind. So we have a lottery 50/50 we could kill mafia player but we could kill innocent too. The risks are too high. We should analise every facts from newspaper and because of it make a desicion without vanga cosplay.

There are 4 mafia and 2 maniacs, if to be precisely correct. Risks are too high? You're joking, right? If not hang anyone - eventually all the people will be killed. How do you planning gather facts if voting for "no one"? Playing based on only a newspaper? Pff, go on, impress me with your great analysis of 2 newspapers. What, you cannot? Then there is only one way to play - based on the behavior, mafia IS a phycological game, and even in the forum format, it's remaining the very same.
OK OK OK! Please tell me your prediction for who we should give our votes? Any suggestions?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 17, 2020, 15:17:15
OK OK OK! Please tell me your prediction for who we should give our votes? Any suggestions?

If consider Goose untouchable - I showed my opinion clearly, you know. There are both ways reflected - active and non-active. Though now you ARE active, what a nice way of changing! Before I have named you in the list you were silent, but now such a youthful activity.

In actives, I have two candidates for now - Falcon hunting and Anony-mouse.
In inactive - Drusha is the darkest, but other options are available.

But once again you did not answer to me, my heart is almost broken. Maybe if I write in all caps you will notice. Worth try anyway. WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE AGAINST URANIUM, THAT YOU MENTIONED AT LEAST TWICE?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 17, 2020, 15:37:44
The Priority order was added to the start post:
A. Unblockable
01 Traits (Passive abilities)
02 Mimicry*, Offers (Overhaul, Darjeeling, Assam, Chifir, Turing test) // offers go through & answer needed anyway, but effect can be blocked. If Turing test blocked, Liz gets results without publishing. The action that was mimed has the same priority as the original action and is executed immediately after it.

B. Action manipulations
03 Rabbit Hole // If Alice and Blocker order each other, Alice wins, otherwise she can be blocked
04 Watchdog, Meme, Chifir/block // Any Blocker can be blocked; mutually directed, blocks cancel out each other (fail due to block).
05 Darjeeling, Assam, Bribe // cancel blocks if successful, but can be blocked themselves

C. Data
06 Yahoo!, Arms collector, Old Guard// to get acquaintance before lose ability later same night
07 Big Brother (+Old foe), Intimidation (+Old foe), Authority
08 Turing test (publication)
09 Drink Me

D. Life
10 Presentiment
11 (a) Hard Cash (b) Solidarity (c) Overhaul
12 Passive protections
13 (a) Last goodbye, (b) Mafia kill/Cleanup/Headshot (c) November 5th (d) Haircut (e) Chifir+kill // if kill each other, both die
14 Veteran: simultaneously with the attack

E. End day data
16 Solicitude
17 White hat
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 17, 2020, 16:56:38
OK OK OK! Please tell me your prediction for who we should give our votes? Any suggestions?

If consider Goose untouchable - I showed my opinion clearly, you know. There are both ways reflected - active and non-active. Though now you ARE active, what a nice way of changing! Before I have named you in the list you were silent, but now such a youthful activity.

In actives, I have two candidates for now - Falcon hunting and Anony-mouse.
In inactive - Drusha is the darkest, but other options are available.

But once again you did not answer to me, my heart is almost broken. Maybe if I write in all caps you will notice. Worth try anyway. WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE AGAINST URANIUM, THAT YOU MENTIONED AT LEAST TWICE?
Perhaps i was were unconcentrated but you have said about Uranium 235 at nuclear weapon and that this fact could be evidence... Most of all some people yesterday voted for Uranium.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 17, 2020, 17:29:24
Perhaps i was were unconcentrated but you have said about Uranium 235 at nuclear weapon and that this fact could be evidence... Most of all some people yesterday voted for Uranium.

I replied to example by Uranium with such an example as I have never played with super-complex hints. That was just an example, based on real facts, but even I do not think that it's true. I'm just waiting for his reply! I wrote this clearly many times! So, you're telling, that you say only things, that you're sure of, but I suggest you reconsider your point of view, because of your misunderstanding of many things.

By the way, it's such a nice dialog and everyone else is being silent. Don't you have something to tell?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 17, 2020, 17:51:06
Day 2 Exit Poll



(1): Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1298949#msg1298949)

No vote (12): , , , , , , , , , , ,


Deadline SAT 1 PM. 16 hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 18:03:58



Drusha








Drusha



I do not know how you read. u flip all the facts. Your sudden appearance is alarming. I think there are reasons why you do not want to die. and the reasons why you suspiciously suspect uranium, although he is a holy man! you don’t understand what Kara is asking you. At the beginning of the day, I said that the liability would still hang. You seem to me the most suspicious now. I don’t think I can build a constructive dialogue with you.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 17, 2020, 18:26:53
One active player was replaced with another one. Messor is gone (It's sad to realize that such active player is lost...) , Drusha is come, nice. But there's no much differents between them. Both of them appeared when someone starts to suspect they. Both of them did not analyze anything (or not much?)
Спойлер
(some of them wants to use you, some of them wants to get used by you, ya know...)
Also it was fun to read that Uranium was under suspect and under noose, do you remember something like that?  :D

The only thing that makes me happy is appearance of some activity, even after suspect (this has been triggered for the third time!!!) and it was nice to see a lot of text

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:04:49
Well, it’s very difficult to assume mafiosi in Julik1221, despite the fact that this player just keeps dead silence, which was not broken even when mentioning the attack on him in the newspaper, and when I vote against him. I think it’s worth removing my voice from him now.

Mr. Nobody


This should cancel my previous vote.

I hope that some additional comments from Uranium will follow. Or maybe the Falcon will wake up.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:13:33
Well, it’s very difficult to assume mafiosi in Julik1221, despite the fact that this player just keeps dead silence, which was not broken even when mentioning the attack on him in the newspaper, and when I vote against him. I think it’s worth removing my voice from him now.

Mr. Nobody


This should cancel my previous vote.

I hope that some additional comments from Uranium will follow. Or maybe the Falcon will wake up.
Are you serious? Why did you remove your voice? if a person does not want to make excuses, then he does not need it. hang nobody - the worst tactic now

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:19:58
,
I just don’t want to spend my vote on who is likely to get modkill anyway. It's pointless.

But against someone else, I might vote.

I want to remind you that in the mafia, many actions can have more than one goal. One of my goals was an attempt to stir up the player, but that goal was definitely not achieved.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:29:11
,
I just don’t want to spend my vote on who is likely to get modkill anyway. It's pointless.

But against someone else, I might vote.

I want to remind you that in the mafia, many actions can have more than one goal. One of my goals was an attempt to stir up the player, but that goal was definitely not achieved.

Do you want to kill them all yourself? AHAHAH :flush:

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:36:53
I just don’t want to spend my vote on who is likely to get modkill anyway. It's pointless.

We won't achieve anything if we don't hang anyone, so if you have such opportunity, why don't you use it? also there's no only Julik, also Drusha and maybe Messor. but I hope he'll wake up and say something
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:37:06
oh my dear pastor ... i miss you so much! we haven’t communicated for so long ... have our paths diverged? :omg:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:37:44
oh my dear pastor ... i miss you so much! we haven’t communicated for so long ... have our paths diverged? :omg:

NO WAY! let's visit bar, my dear Goose
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:38:52
Do you want to kill them all yourself? AHAHAH

I do not have such an opportunity. And I’m happy about this in general - I really don’t like the role of a maniac. I am far from being selfish enough to be successful in this.  :knife:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:39:13
OK already running!

Do you want to kill them all yourself? AHAHAH

I do not have such an opportunity. And I’m happy about this in general - I really don’t like the role of a maniac. I am far from being selfish enough to be successful in this.  :knife:

but now you look just like that, ruthless maniac



OK already running!

Do you want to kill them all yourself? AHAHAH

I do not have such an opportunity. And I’m happy about this in general - I really don’t like the role of a maniac. I am far from being selfish enough to be successful in this.  :knife:

but now you look just like that, ruthless maniac


who is your goal? yulik? I know you want it, little mouse :hehehe:

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:43:40
We won't achieve anything if we don't hang anyone, so if you have such opportunity, why don't you use it? also there's no only Julik, also Drusha and maybe Messor. but I hope he'll wake up and say something

We are still far from the deadline, I can well vote against SamPie or Drusha. There may be other options, but I would like to see the opinion of Uranium, and the other players too. Tomorrow I'm not too busy and I can follow the topic.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:49:05
I have written everything above, all reasoning is completely understandable from all the conversation.

I see no reason to wait any longer, but tomorrow I can basically oversleep.

Drusha
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: InVictA от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:49:27
This time I'll divide all the player to active and inactive and give my overview as follow:


Active:

01.  pastor chivay - as I told - thought that he is LIZ, but now it's clear, that he is not. But still, he is a way to active for the mafia and mostly logical and consistently sharp-minded. I don't think, that new player will play in such a style for the mafia. Almost red.
05.  l10ha - most of his babbling is useless but tried to proclaim me as a mafia based on the outfit of my avatar and that is really nice move, giving him much more credit. While he's having fun with Pastor - Pastor is still far more trustworthy. Really strange, that Uranium235 said not to argue with the Goose. Ok, this day I will not show any disrespect to his way of playing. Color: under Uranium235 defense.
06.  Falcon hunting - seems, that a midnight wanderer will be right alias to him, as he never wrote anything useful during the day and by that avoided all possible debates. Ash-colored
07.  shiori - one thing I like about him, as he gave his analysis before reading the most popular vision in the topic. If it hasn't been done deliberately - that is the town player trait. I still see him as close to red.
14.  Anony-mouse - changed his playstyle from "let me be a selfish bystander" to "let's make the analysis great again". It's a sudden change, almost as if he wants to take the lead over the Uranium235. With such a sudden change is more black.
15.  Uranium235 - showed a complicated way of hint-solving, so this should be the town player, as from the mafia point of view - there is nothing better for the town to follow the wrong way by themselves. Red.




This section can be called as "fifty shades of gray", and it would be 100% correct. How is it even possible to analyze inactive players? For me, it's much easier to find reasoning against an active player, rather than against inactive, but still, I'll give it a try.

Almost purely inactive:
02.  Dmixn - one hi and nothing more. Inactive today and not interest in a game. I believe, that such players should be kicked out by the host, not by the town.
12.  InVictA - not active since the 15th of April, so he has no interest in his NA.
10.  Julik1221 - never wrote anything, but mentioned in the analysis once. Have no idea what to think about him.
11.  SamPie - one post and it's too much for entry. Tiny darker than gray.

Voted:
03.  Putin mod.2 - voted for No one, so he has some interest and doesn't want to be thought about him as inactive.
08.  Drusha - voted for No one, had one resume message, where I did not like "This situation is bad to my mind. Two of us  have been killed.". Us - meaning the town, but I do not trust such statements at all - mostly they are always fake. Close to black.


In actives, I have two candidates for now - Falcon hunting and Anony-mouse.
In inactive - Drusha is the darkest, but other options are available.

Oh, forgot to say, that  Putin mod.2 is almost the same as Drusha, so if to chose from inactive - one of them looks promising target to me.

Oh, I'm having a hard time here, to be honest. A lot of words and messages, but I gathered my thoughts and read everything.
Most of all, I liked the message from the player . I want to vote for the because he really has changed a lot in his behavior, which is quite strange. I may be led by , but he has a very strong argument. I vote for


I apologize that I don't appear here so often, because this game in this format is new to me, and I have never used the forums before.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:53:32
who is your goal? yulik? I know you want it, little mouse

I'm afraid there’s no big difference in who will be my target at night. While alive, I will try to benefit in the daytime, as far as I can.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:54:10
Drusha

mass hanging!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:54:19
This should cancel my previous vote.

Oh, I think I should have read the topic before giving the vote. Is it really just a cancellation? I hope, that you will choose a target. For now, youŗe just fluctuating, like a function reaching its extremes.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:54:51
who is your goal? yulik? I know you want it, little mouse

I'm afraid there’s no big difference in who will be my target at night. While alive, I will try to benefit in the daytime, as far as I can.

that is, you admit that you are a maniac?



Drusha
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 17, 2020, 19:58:59
youŗe

This was "you're", didn't change the keyboard layout and apostrophe was replaced by a special (yet obsolete) letter.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Putin mod.2 от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:05:03
drusha
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:05:45
Oh, I'm having a hard time here, to be honest. A lot of words and messages, but I gathered my thoughts and read everything.
Most of all, I liked the message from the player  Kara_Mel . I want to vote for the  Anony-mouse because he really has changed a lot in his behavior, which is quite strange. I may be led by  Kara_Mel, but he has a very strong argument. I vote for

A very nasty excuse for voting that hurt me right in the heart, sweetheart.

Цитировать
that is, you admit that you are a maniac?

Even the most miserable maniac would not admit it. I'm not a maniac. True true!  :kekeke:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Putin mod.2 от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:06:10
I'll support the majority
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:07:21
I may refuse to accept the votes without any justification whatsoever.
drusha



Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:07:34
oh my goose, everyone revived!!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:10:31
Oh, I'm having a hard time here, to be honest. A lot of words and messages, but I gathered my thoughts and read everything.
Most of all, I liked the message from the player  Kara_Mel . I want to vote for the  Anony-mouse because he really has changed a lot in his behavior, which is quite strange. I may be led by  Kara_Mel, but he has a very strong argument. I vote for

A very nasty excuse for voting that hurt me right in the heart, sweetheart.

Цитировать
that is, you admit that you are a maniac?

Even the most miserable maniac would not admit it. I'm not a maniac. True true!  :kekeke:


so who will be your victim? or will you help in the killing? how about me?



Oh, I'm having a hard time here, to be honest. A lot of words and messages, but I gathered my thoughts and read everything.
Most of all, I liked the message from the player  Kara_Mel . I want to vote for the  Anony-mouse because he really has changed a lot in his behavior, which is quite strange. I may be led by  Kara_Mel, but he has a very strong argument. I vote for

A very nasty excuse for voting that hurt me right in the heart, sweetheart.

Цитировать
that is, you admit that you are a maniac?

or don't you like a goose? maybe you like Putin more? or sampai? Who?
Even the most miserable maniac would not admit it. I'm not a maniac. True true!  :kekeke:


so who will be your victim? or will you help in the killing? how about me?




Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:17:55
so who will be your victim? or will you help in the killing? how about me?

Even if I come to you, you won’t even feel pain, I can promise you that. Well ... to be honest, I’m unlikely to go to you. As a night goal, you are less interesting to me than some others.  :smoke:


, no, honestly, don’t you think that if a player with an avatar mixed from Mickey Mouse and Guy Fawkes mask should be given a role with the description "With a Guy Fawkes mask in place of the face and intimidating
weapons instead of the hands ... " then would it be a little excessive?)))
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:29:44
so who will be your victim? or will you help in the killing? how about me?

Even if I come to you, you won’t even feel pain, I can promise you that. Well ... to be honest, I’m unlikely to go to you. As a night goal, you are less interesting to me than some others.  :smoke:


, no, honestly, don’t you think that if a player with an avatar mixed from Mickey Mouse and Guy Fawkes mask should be given a role with the description "With a Guy Fawkes mask in place of the face and intimidating
weapons instead of the hands ... " then would it be a little excessive?)))

I'm not sure of anything. my brain is full of doubts. will he be saved? or do you decide to cut it out?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:45:23
so who will be your victim? or will you help in the killing? how about me?

Even if I come to you, you won’t even feel pain, I can promise you that. Well ... to be honest, I’m unlikely to go to you. As a night goal, you are less interesting to me than some others.  :smoke:


, no, honestly, don’t you think that if a player with an avatar mixed from Mickey Mouse and Guy Fawkes mask should be given a role with the description "With a Guy Fawkes mask in place of the face and intimidating
weapons instead of the hands ... " then would it be a little excessive?)))
somewhere in the corner laughing GM!

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:47:47
somewhere in the corner laughing GM!

Or screaming in pain...

Funny provocations from the mouse, either he has nothing to lose or this is a good move to push suspections away
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 17, 2020, 20:54:06
somewhere in the corner laughing GM!

Or screaming in pain...

Funny provocations from the mouse, either he has nothing to lose or this is a good move to push suspections away

:no:I am sure that it is not his fault! you can not blame him! how ugly it is, pastor! I am sure that if he wants to kill someone, he will definitely say! as he did with julik. left him for later!

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 04:02:14
I am satisfied. They were able to somehow organize without direct leadership.
Of course, I would say that I didn’t do anything on purpose today to let others show themselves, but this is not true, just ordinary apathy due to the fact that the situation is not under control.

On the Caramel question, no, the meaning is a bit different.
The hint displays a random word, title or phrase.
His connection with the role of the murderer goes through the description, for example, now it was possible to understand that Todd was the killer of Bratukha to describe the process (well, by the fact that there was no evidence for another murder).
I tried to show how the process of compiling evidence is carried out - GM opens (in this case, a wiki article is usually used, the list of which is pre-linked to the players nicknames) profile) the player’s profile, finds some fact there, and receives through a chain of associations or logically related facts the final product is evidence.
I’ll also say that solving evidence is not profitable in the opposite way - that is, tying the black square to the profile, but in the way it was made up. That is, to take the profile of a suspicious player and try to make the same transitions, so that in the end the same hint will consistently come out.
Formally, there should be a feedback - that is, the ability to track the same chain on the contrary, starting with a piece of fabric and ending with Todd's profile. But this does not always work, because this way of solving the evidence may be true only by accident.
True, I can’t imagine how the disclosure of this information would have made it more peaceful - I would have also said something similar and the mafia, having called myself a mentor, I must at least correspond.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 04:24:22
by new colors:
Putin-mod now seems to me much more peaceful than it seemed so yesterday, with a stupid question what is happening, the answer to which he did not care. But of course, I would not argue for its color - I simply state that I no longer claim that it is “rather black”.
The problem is that I'm not sure about Dryusha. I definitely should set an example of cohesion, that is, vote with my often peaceful players (Caramel, Pastor and Goose). His position with the mafia Uranus and Caramel is quite bold in the current situation.
That is, it is so ineffective for the mafia that it’s pretty hard for me to believe that the mafia really uses it. Which has nothing to do with how I should play. Namely, in cooperation with those whom I often consider peaceful.
I also liked Invict's attack on the Mouse. It makes little sense if Drusha is a mafia, because support for Caramel is hardly possible, it has already been decided. And even less, if Dryusha is peaceful, why stop the city from making a mistake. I can’t say that the action is exactly peaceful - I can well imagine the mafia, which, seeing that the voting is going on, definitely generates an artificial conflict between itself. But this is called a “runaway search," and now I'm definitely not ready to do it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 04:40:39
Actually, at the moment I would say that there are many bad people in the group: Messor, Shiori and Mouse.
Surely I didn’t exactly name it. The mouse in general does not look so much like the mafia, but rather like the neutral one, if you study its neat game with the next “nobody” now, while it has started vigorously, as if it has some information about Rogue or wants to show what it can be, so that I’ll answer some. reaction.
But for now, I still consider him a likely victim of intimidation, and obviously I would not want to support this vote, even realizing that he will continue to do nothing further. In the end, we have a maniac who, judging by the shot, is not against shooting offliners (maybe GM even asks him about this so as not to interfere himself).
Understanding that a maniac is a separate fraction, the goal of which is to win his own victory does not come immediately. You will be surprised how many players, having received a maniac for the first time, are sure that their task is to kill the mafia and nothing more. I want to believe that this time ours is just the same, therefore, in any case, you can ask him to kill those who are silent, suddenly the host has not yet asked.
You want to help the city, right? In exchange, I can say that in the end, when a critical situation arises, and the city will choose who to give the victory to, the mafia or maniac, without the right to win by yourself, you are more likely to get it if you kill those whom the city itself is glad to get rid of . The evidence will become easier, at some point you will be figured out, not the city is so mafia. But this is not a defeat, time passes between found and destroyed, and how much depends on you.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 05:01:13
In general, I think I will support those whom I see as a city with a vote. At the same time, I’m not at all sure that I am expelling the mafia. But even less I am sure that I can now efficiently agitate someone else, but if I'm not right about this just tell me.
For example, Shiori still has not identified at least some suspicions, and at the same time I did not notice his vote with my peaceful ones.
As far as I remember, analyzing the survey, that Caramel and Pastor deduced him peacefully (although the analytics was based on too shaky assumptions).
This no less effectively explains why none of them was killed and why the murder was without evidence, and not with the ignore of treatment - the role of Liz is quite dangerous for the mafia and has no protection. Knowing the essence of the questions, it is possible to accurately determine who Liz is NOT, according to the mistakes made in the assumptions. And to kill Goose, while Caramel suspects him, which it is decided to leave alive is not necessary at all.
True, this approach can be applied equally to me and Messor, because when I saw the shot, I doubted at the beginning of this day at the expense of fidelity of colors. But judging by what he did today (nothing), I was more likely right. He refused to analyze the poll and suspect or not suspect Shiori, you yourself saw. I did not see any reason for Nepara (slang, means that the two players are not the Mafia both), although at that moment they were very interesting to me, I suspect both of them, but I fear errors, I look for any point to refute myself.
At the expense of Mouse, I'm still not sure, but it seemed to me that Invicta not just suspects him, but knows something from the night. At the same time, I remind you that it is difficult to obtain absolute knowledge, because there is some skepticism.
And she doesn’t allow me to simply wave it off, because until that moment Invicta did not betray anything at all.

And Sampai seemed to me a slightly smaller mafia due to the fact that from his only message it is not visible that he allows Bratukha to be a villain, while he may be.
But of course, in another case, from which it is necessary to win back, Bratuha is not Scrooge but someone else, and then Sampai by itself remains in the zone of suspicion, especially since I saw something similar to the opinion against Goose, and take into account suspicions of your probable peace are necessary - they turn out to be true more often than if you poked the player by chance.

So, that’s all, good, we must wait until at least someone appreciates me, otherwise we know these reactions, horror-horror, many letters, I won’t read it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 05:17:32
So I do not mind changing my mind, there would be a reason. They allow me to play, which means that I could think somewhere wrong. In principle, I was thinking somewhere wrong in the case of Sue, but as you can see, I changed the voice from her. I would definitely say that I still consider her a frequent black, and I remove my voice only because of a lack of support, the fact that I did not say this should suggest that her messages gave me the necessary facts to doubt and change my mind.
Use this example to understand that I am not a "ram" who sees only his version and nothing else. On the contrary, I know how easily I can make mistakes, and I am looking for an opportunity to see what. Conditionally, I could be mistaken in Gus because he did not particularly understand the roles of the killed, but rather he was occupied with a clue about a maniac who was more than interesting to the mafia. Look for arguments. Even if they look strange and ridiculous, the mere fact of presence is already significant.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 06:28:38
I hope someone comments on the Shiori poll again.
I will nevertheless tell my idea (I’m not sure if it is correct or not, actually). But I gave enough time so that everyone who wants to can try their hand at decryption on their own, and there will probably be no more polls.
Stalking = check, that is, the question is whether the player can check.
Let me remind you that when Sue (well, or someone else, if we misunderstood her) comes up with a question, she will not proceed from subjective feelings that this description is like a persecution, but it is different.
On the contrary, she is looking for unambiguous facts. That is, there should be a general, and rather simple quality that can be described as "stalking of people", and one must look for it, and not fit the description of the role or action to this description.

I twisted in different ways, but other options do not occur to me. This is definitely related to the essence of what the player can do, and not some of his description or passive abilities. But not killing (as described, the desire to kill can be seen above). Not an opportunity / fact of meeting someone. Not the ability to heal / protect. And it’s not very similar to the ability to block something. Only the check remains (although it is unambiguous to say whether the ability to recognize the role of a corpse will be a check, for example, I can’t, rather not).

I still will not write the full version of the reasoning on the survey, but maybe now I will direct someone to the correct thought about Shiori, so I’ll tell you all the same.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 18, 2020, 07:16:07
Day 2 Exit Poll

(4): l10ha (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299016#msg1299016), Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299032#msg1299032), pastor chivay (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299036#msg1299036), Putin mod.2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299042#msg1299042)
  (1): InVictA (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299033#msg1299033)

None of the above (1): Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299020#msg1299020)

No vote (7): , , , , , ,


Deadline SAT 1 PM. 3 hours left.



Okay, let's be real here. It's not the best option to wrap it up at 1 PM on Saturday. Let's postpone the deadline a little.

Deadline SAT 6 PM. 7 hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 18, 2020, 08:15:51
If we consider the first question of the interview as "are there mafiosi among your friends", that is, the rephrased "are you mafiosi?", the second question is - "are you armed?" and the third question is - "do you have a "data" night action?", then we have the following options for the role of Shiori:

Lied to the first question - Ebenezer Scrooge.

Lied to the second question - Sherlock or Oliver.

Lied to the third question - Marple, Jeeves, Alice or Liz (theoretically).

If we consider the possible answers for each of the groups of roles, then we see that for Scrooge his answer is the best. For the other two groups there were answers equivalent to the one given in the interview. That is, no matter what role Shiori was, he gave the best answer. Therefore, no role options can be discarded for him.

-----------------------------------------

I must say that a journalist could ask more provocatively.

The third question was supposed to be "do you have exactly two options for night actions?"

All mafs have two night actions. Todd also has two.

The townspeople have only three out of nine.

Thus, even if the answer didn’t open the mafia directly, this would cut off most of the options for city's roles.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 09:01:02
And not so bad.
In general, I was inclined to believe that the second question is about the availability of protection against murder. But definitely, you can’t throw off and just have a weapon.
Given that, with some chance, Scrooge could be Brother, Shiori is in some danger.
Suppose it is peaceful too. Well, I can draw something like an attempt to protect Dryusha by invicta voting for another purpose.
But the Messor in this case will surely fall out, his pairing with Dryusha with his wording, some voted against me, and some are just a messor, and even make me doubt at night. This is weak unpaired.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 18, 2020, 09:08:30
On the Caramel question, no, the meaning is a bit different.

Ok, it's becoming more clear. But still one question - so the "black cloth" only points to the description of the role, but not the player himself?

Putin-mod now seems to me much more peaceful than it seemed so yesterday, with a stupid question what is happening, the answer to which he did not care. But of course, I would not argue for its color - I simply state that I no longer claim that it is “rather black”.

Votes from inactive players always bug me as the reasons "vote with the majority" is a bad reason. In case I'm mistaken about Drusha - it's a nice way of setting me up, as I'm the person who invoked such way of the events. For now, I would even dare to say, that perhaps, they have different colors.

I also liked Invict's attack on the Mouse.
It corresponds with my current logic, so there is a reason to suspect Mouse. Basically, it uses my statements against Mouse, but it's yet very unlikely that he will go down. So the option with the "giving vote away to provide further cover" still can be true.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 18, 2020, 09:09:14
Messor
I think I should inform you that Falcon hunting asked for a replacement. I'm trying to figure it out (as you might think, there isn't plenty of replacement options), but so you know.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 09:10:53
And what is the third sampai thread.
The maximum liquid mafia team is obtained, if Bratuha is also finished there, but there is no impossible.

Too simple option, I mean:
Bratuha, Dryusha, Invicta and SamPai.
It is possible, but in this case, the city is somehow too close to victory, there is no intrigue, until nothing prevents everyone from sending them in turn, while Sue is killed, not an active peaceful one.

Well, that is, it is clear that the Mouse interprets the survey more into the peace of Shiori, from which at the first level of thinking there follows a high chance of a city for both.

Well, that is, it is clear that the Mouse interprets the survey more into the peace of Shiori, from which at the first level of thinking there follows a high chance of a city for both.
It is only then that one can think that this is a purchase, or simply a misunderstanding, or protecting one from me (substituting independently, it is unlikely that the Mouse-Maf expects me to admit that I was completely mistaken with the blacks).

Ok, it's becoming more clear. But still one question - so the "black cloth" only points to the description of the role, but not the player himself?
On the contrary, only to the player.
But indirectly in a few steps.
The role of the killer is indicated by a scalp.



It corresponds with my current logic, so there is a reason to suspect Mouse. Basically, it uses my statements against Mouse, but it's yet very unlikely that he will go down. So the option with the "giving vote away to provide further cover" still can be true.
At the moment, I changed my mind a bit.
He incorrectly tracked the chronology, at that time there was only one vote (yours) in Dryusha, that is, in fact, it could have been his defense in a situation where it was really possible to crank it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 09:27:54
By the way, if you ask yourself why I haven’t voted yet, then I won’t be able to clearly answer it. But if you didn’t ask, then you can tell why.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 18, 2020, 09:32:46
By the way, if you ask yourself why I haven’t voted yet, then I won’t be able to clearly answer it. But if you didn’t ask, then you can tell why.

Voting was prolonged and you can gather some info or make some provocations, why not?

I think I should inform you that Falcon hunting asked for a replacement. I'm trying to figure it out (as you might think, there isn't plenty of replacement options), but so you know.
I'll ask Uranium here - how often do replacements take place here (at this forum) and which type of role usually gets replaced (by statistics) - mafia or the town?

Too simple option, I mean:
Bratuha, Dryusha, Invicta and SamPai.

This a little bit goes against that the mafia has someone experienced among them.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 09:46:19
As a mentor, I am obliged to answer that it is not too correct to discuss the conclusions from the fact of a replacement or a possible replacement (in this case), and sometimes the ban is explicitly stated.
This is not prohibited now, therefore, you can punish GM and discuss it specifically so that next time this item is not missed. But in this party I pursue other goals, and therefore I will not participate in such a discussion.

And I was not in a hurry with my voice before I saw the extension.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 18, 2020, 09:52:29
As a mentor, I am obliged to answer that it is not too correct to discuss the conclusions from the fact of a replacement or a possible replacement (in this case), and sometimes the ban is explicitly stated.
This is not prohibited now, therefore, you can punish GM and discuss it specifically so that next time this item is not missed. But in this party I pursue other goals, and therefore I will not participate in such a discussion.

Ok, if here it's usually undiscussable - I will not go any further. I asked only because when I hosted games - I also had to replace some players and I know my ideas behind it and know which reaction was from other players.

And I was not in a hurry with my voice before I saw the extension.

Then you're not sure with my reasoning and it's also fully understandable.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 10:19:04
I really am not sure and said that.
It’s too bold for the maf to call you and me black — after all, we now have confidence to execute the objectionable only for these words.
But this did not stop me from voting either in support or in the alternative version, because the voice can be changed.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Julik1221 от Апреля 18, 2020, 10:22:13
dursha
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 10:24:53
, A voice without arguments is not accepted anyway, so tell me.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 18, 2020, 10:26:00
I really am not sure and said that.
It’s too bold for the maf to call you and me black — after all, we now have confidence to execute the objectionable only for these words.
But this did not stop me from voting either in support or in the alternative version, because the voice can be changed.

Then I have no idea why you're not voting. Even this question a drama-like, I got no idea then why you asked it in the first place. Perhaps it was rhetorical.

dursha


The rise of inactive, huh. No reason = no vote. And it's actually the first coming of Julik into the topic.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 18, 2020, 10:44:19
Well. The choice today is to hang or not predominantly silent player because of a hypothesis that there are around two bandits within the list — Drusha, Putin, InVictA, SamPie, Dmixn, Julik. Hard to choose from them, but the words of Drusha are unconvincing. Do not see any reasons from him about why he must be alive. Also Caramel-chan and Chivay /despite my initial version against him/ look like positives for me now. The most powerful town weapon is the consolidated voices. So I am in.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 18, 2020, 12:24:18
Ok! You are making a great mistake but your sureness that i am mafia is so strong that you could not hear the voice of mind. So ok. For some reasons i would say my perhaps last analise of situation - Kara mel perhaps has a bad role. Because of her actions during the day like blaming me and another players witout any arguements exept "he is bad because he is too silent" I am said that i perhaps some unconcentraited but you Kara mel has blamed Uranium too have you...   The arguments of type of writing is [bull] because everyone has his own type of writing... So because of it and desires to hang up by vanga method i think that she is mafia. About another players - To my mind shiori is not mafia because of his answers on questions of LIZ. Uranium could be a mafia too because of much of stranges between him and Kara mel but i am not sure.  l10ha - perhaps he is a mafia too because of his stranges - he wants to hang up every silent player too. This is only a hypotiz from vanga method but... So if city is so want to hang up me - go on. But before voting you should think - are riskies too high? Could i be only innconet who become a victim of agressive active players? So that is all that i could say. Perhaps this analise will help city perhaps not, but i invoke everyone - please think only by your heads, your minds. The innocents could win only if everyone would not be manipulated by someone. Agressive vangas are include in this title.

So about Anninymouse. He is really strange. After two nights we could not be inactive wait-man. So Perhaps he is a mafia and he is trying to keep thi situation... Stability. He could  have a maniac role and i am but i am not sure at all to vote him. I would like to see his answer on this message to continue my analise.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 18, 2020, 12:40:41
So i have decided. To my mind the situation of Karamel and Uranium is strange but i will left it on your conscidence. But anonymouse to my mind is too evidence. Uranium has said about him a bit more but Mouse is wanting to stability. Stability is a good way to kill. Because of one - in this situation you could be in waiting position and one by one kill players that are against your plans in night. So my vote is going to
Annonimous
.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 18, 2020, 12:52:41
Curiously, we managed to wait for votes from three silent players out of five. And two of them are against Drusha. Who would rather be incriminated with a small familiarity with the mafia game, but not familiarity with the mafia players.

Hmm ... The situation is even more fun. Will we see a new sudden vote on me, or is Drusha’s attempt the last effort of a townsman to save him?
I’m not so much Orlando to be completely indifferent to my own hanging, so I’ll most likely also vote against Drusha. Since even if I were inclined to make a sacrifice for the sake of a more valuable role, I have no idea about the role of the Drusha.

And we still have two hours left for a possible change in the plot of the Saturday drama.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 13:28:00
, But didn’t you think that Caramel and I didn’t really look like Mice’s partners, she strongly suspects him, I’ll say that I don’t see any obvious peacefulness, and is he gaining some points only because of relative activity compared to others?

And if you read me more carefully, you could notice that I have no confidence in your address, I did not vote against it and in general there are certain difficulties in building a team with you. But for some reason you decided to discuss these points only now, a couple of hours before the end of the execution, when there is no time to convince many.
But that is me. Whose voices against Anonymus would you like to receive?

I would like to see his answer on this message to continue my analise.
And tell me, why is the fact that you waited only 15 minutes for an answer, why did you decide that at that time convenient for you, the Mouse will be able to answer?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 13:38:58
In general, the current voting process makes it difficult to form a team with Dryusha.
From everyone except Anonymous, those who vote in it are interesting to listen to who exactly you see him with, if you think the mafia.

If that, this does not mean that the team has become impossible.

Voting to another mafia is not something unbelievable. But the story of who exactly voted in their mafia is even more fascinating than just the story of who remained a possible mafia along with Dryusha.

I'm afraid I won’t be surprised at all if the answers to these questions are not received by the end of the day.
And that kills all the work that I could do to benefit from any outcome of the vote.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 13:54:19
I believe that Dmksin, whoever he is, will be Todd’s goal tonight if Todd has any business with the game (and he is not Todd himself). At least in this matter, you can risk one night. It is he, in view of the greatest minimum of information (although of course the list of possibilities is wider).
But you can choose among other offline players so that Dryusha stays - because there is already information about him - we know who is ready to vote against him. This is a little more than nothing.

Now I see that driving out Dryusha suits quite a few. If we assume that he is truly a mafia, then there remains a limited circle of those with whom he can be, but at the same time, these players can be a mafia in a larger number of rosters, therefore it is more correct to choose another candidate.
But of course, the time frame is such that the story of this fact, as it seems to me, gives nothing.
But if you think about it a bit, I describe a mistake made today so that the city does not make it tomorrow. We must vote fast enough to be able to analyze this process.
And bearing in mind that the rule of early hanging is in effect, if 50% + of the votes are cast against, it is impossible to vote thoughtlessly.
It should be noted that today I am going to vote against such and such, and then discuss these preliminary conclusions.
I hope you saw it now (and one peace hang-up to understand this mistake the city can afford anyway).
But there is hardly an opportunity for two.



For example, now 6 players vote against, which gives plus or minus 6 votes (not exactly, deprivation of the vote or doubling of the vote is possible. And the vote without explanation may not be accepted). It is possible and likely that the seventh vote will be decisive.
Do you understand the danger?
It’s not enough in such a situation to understand that the vote is peaceful. The mafia will have the opportunity to give the last vote and provide early voting in any case.
Now this problem is not acute, but it may be so tomorrow.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 18, 2020, 14:26:04
It seems that this is where the day ends. I’m not so motivated to wait until the last minutes to see if someone will organize an attack against me or not. It is likely that the mafia would be satisfied with both possible outcomes.

Drusha, my apologies.


My motivation is simple - This town ain't big enough for the both of us(нere the master of the game will probably burst into a satanic laugh). Bolivar cannot carry double.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 14:28:21
Well, that no one writes to me.
I begin to doubt that anyone other than Caramel and Mouse read me, because questions usually arise about reading.
As several teachers said at once, if there are no questions after the lesson, it means either everything is clear or nothing is clear, but in no exam I was able to confirm the first case.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 18, 2020, 14:39:09
, the subtleties of the game in your presentation lose a lot in the process of machine translation. I myself am trying to make my text less verbose and more understandable.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 14:44:16
That is why the lack of questions surprises even more.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 18, 2020, 14:59:18
Since it’s obvious that Dryusha is already leaving, I don’t need to vote against him either (otherwise, if there was a risk of a different outcome, I would most likely support the likely peace).
Of course, I will not miss the vote, I will indicate the position.
SamPie


Based on the worst that we have 4 mafia left, he is the most likely candidate who can be with almost anyone, including Dryusha.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 18, 2020, 15:06:26
Ok! You are making a great mistake but your sureness that i am mafia is so strong that you could not hear the voice of mind. So ok. For some reasons i would say my perhaps last analise of situation - Kara mel perhaps has a bad role. Because of her actions during the day like blaming me and another players witout any arguements exept "he is bad because he is too silent" I am said that i perhaps some unconcentraited but you Kara mel has blamed Uranium too have you...   The arguments of type of writing is [bull] because everyone has his own type of writing... So because of it and desires to hang up by vanga method i think that she is mafia. About another players - To my mind shiori is not mafia because of his answers on questions of LIZ. Uranium could be a mafia too because of much of stranges between him and Kara mel but i am not sure.  l10ha - perhaps he is a mafia too because of his stranges - he wants to hang up every silent player too. This is only a hypotiz from vanga method but... So if city is so want to hang up me - go on. But before voting you should think - are riskies too high? Could i be only innconet who become a victim of agressive active players? So that is all that i could say. Perhaps this analise will help city perhaps not, but i invoke everyone - please think only by your heads, your minds. The innocents could win only if everyone would not be manipulated by someone. Agressive vangas are include in this title.

So about Anninymouse. He is really strange. After two nights we could not be inactive wait-man. So Perhaps he is a mafia and he is trying to keep thi situation... Stability. He could  have a maniac role and i am but i am not sure at all to vote him. I would like to see his answer on this message to continue my analise.

For example, I know that caramel is a mafia or a maniac. choosing between you and her I will hang you. I'm too lazy to explain why, but I think you understand

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 18, 2020, 15:07:31
"he is bad because he is too silent"

Before any compliances from your side, please understand, that it's hard to play against silent players as you just don't have any info to work with.
The argument was to lure out a silent player into a discussion. You bit it too well and in the end, provided a pile of incorrect arguments. I'm still pretty sure, that you are mafia with such game style, but  if you're not - what is your aid to the cause?

And bearing in mind that the rule of early hanging is in effect, if 50% + of the votes are cast against, it is impossible to vote thoughtlessly.

Please explain. As the rules for voting are:
Execution demands a simple majority vote. When the day ends, the player with the most votes is lynched. If more than one player gets the same number of votes, the player who gained the number first if lynched. If the majority abstains, the day ends without execution.


For example, I know that caramel is a mafia or a maniac. choosing between you and her I will hang you. I'm too lazy to explain why, but I think you understand

Just a nice piece of advice. If you know, that I am mafia, you should do everything to lynch me.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 18, 2020, 15:10:18
It seems that this is where the day ends. I’m not so motivated to wait until the last minutes to see if someone will organize an attack against me or not. It is likely that the mafia would be satisfied with both possible outcomes.

Drusha, my apologies.


My motivation is simple - This town ain't big enough for the both of us(нere the master of the game will probably burst into a satanic laugh). Bolivar cannot carry double.

the mafia can't kill itself if you know what I mean :flush:



"he is bad because he is too silent"

Before any compliances from your side, please understand, that it's hard to play against silent players as you just don't have any info to work with.
The argument was to lure out a silent player into a discussion. You bit it too well and in the end, provided a pile of incorrect arguments. I'm still pretty sure, that you are mafia with such game style, but  if you're not - what is your aid to the cause?

And bearing in mind that the rule of early hanging is in effect, if 50% + of the votes are cast against, it is impossible to vote thoughtlessly.

Please explain. As the rules for voting are:
Execution demands a simple majority vote. When the day ends, the player with the most votes is lynched. If more than one player gets the same number of votes, the player who gained the number first if lynched. If the majority abstains, the day ends without execution.


For example, I know that caramel is a mafia or a maniac. choosing between you and her I will hang you. I'm too lazy to explain why, but I think you understand

Just a nice piece of advice. If you know, that I am mafia, you should do everything to lynch me.
if I knew that you were a mafia, I would try to prove it. or now I have few facts to do this

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 18, 2020, 15:20:33
Curiously, we managed to wait for votes from three silent players out of five. And two of them are against Drusha.
There are various options. Drusha can be the citizen and silencers can be bandits. And this is the bad play. Or they can be citizens too and anyway this is the bad play. Drusha can be bandit and silencers can be too. And theirs vote is for self-defense. But the more likely option — Drusha is bandit and silencers are citizens.

For me the most interesting part in players' interactions now is the Caramel-chan vs Anon engagement. They apparently are not from one team.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 18, 2020, 15:41:05
Curiously, we managed to wait for votes from three silent players out of five. And two of them are against Drusha.
There are various options. Drusha can be the citizen and silencers can be bandits. And this is the bad play. Or they can be citizens too and anyway this is the bad play. Drusha can be bandit and silencers can be too. And theirs vote is for self-defense. But the more likely option — Drusha is bandit and silencers are citizens.

For me the most interesting part in players' interactions now is the Caramel-chan vs Anon engagement. They apparently are not from one team.


Curiously, we managed to wait for votes from three silent players out of five. And two of them are against Drusha.
There are various options. Drusha can be the citizen and silencers can be bandits. And this is the bad play. Or they can be citizens too and anyway this is the bad play. Drusha can be bandit and silencers can be too. And theirs vote is for self-defense. But the more likely option — Drusha is bandit and silencers are citizens.

For me the most interesting part in players' interactions now is the Caramel-chan vs Anon engagement. They apparently are not from one team.
You are terrible mistaken, Shiori and other "citizens" Now you will have - 1 citizen player who could cover up the match. So, my apologies for everyone who trust that i am not a mafia but because of the reason - "agressive vangas attack" I would be likely hanged up. So, Innocents please be more careful. Not trust vangas... They are a certain mountebank, perhaps they are innocent, but to my mind somebody of them are mafia. Kara mel? Lha? Somebody either? Now it is your resosibility - win them and finally said who was mafia and who was innocent. I have peaceful role because of it you have mistaken. Please analise more and do vanga-cosplay less. Because you have not psyonic skills ;)

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 18, 2020, 16:26:44
, the city is often mistaken - this is the very nature of this fraction. You were also mistaken - I had absolutely no interest in voting against you, but I had to.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 18, 2020, 16:34:33
, the city is often mistaken - this is the very nature of this fraction. You were also mistaken - I had absolutely no interest in voting against you, but I had to.
I had given the advice to everyone - think by yourself heads. It is the main for mafia game and innocent vicrory in it. I had said about misatake if nobody hear me - ok, but with post effects of this decision you will be cope only with yourself heads without my analise. I hope that it will help innocents win but with remaining number of players the victory is more and more incredible.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 18, 2020, 16:34:58
I have peaceful role because of it you have mistaken. Please analise more and do vanga-cosplay less. Because you have not psyonic skills ;)

If players always believe those who said that he is not mafia, nobody would ever hanged and city would lose anyway.
at the end of the game all find out if they were wrong or not, but for now trust you who said that he is definitely not mafia is almost like tying a noose around neck


Спойлер
the city must survive! (https://youtu.be/oVZ9nRAFR8s)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 18, 2020, 16:40:13
Day 2 Vote Results

(5): l10ha (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299016#msg1299016), Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299032#msg1299032), pastor chivay (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299036#msg1299036), Putin mod.2 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299042#msg1299042), shiori (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299080#msg1299080), Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299089#msg1299089)
  (2): InVictA (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299033#msg1299033), Drusha (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299083#msg1299083)
  (1): Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299093#msg1299093)

No vote (4): , , ,

...But everything's changed when Drusha took the stage! “BLOOOOOOOD!”, the Judge was shrieking dreadfully. The hands of one of the gentlemen were laid on Drusha's throat, while the other pushed, applying some force, the chainsword deep into his chest. As his eyesight failed, Drusha saw the two gentlemen cheek by cheek, close in front of his face, watching the result. “Like a meat bag!” he said, it was as if the shame of it should outlive him.

Night 3 starts. Please, send me your orders. Deadline SUN 8 PM. 24 hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 18, 2020, 16:56:20
...But everything's changed when Drusha took the stage! “BLOOOOOOOD!”, the Judge was shrieking dreadfully. The hands of one of the gentlemen were laid on Drusha's throat, while the other pushed, applying some force, the chainsword deep into his chest. As his eyesight failed, Drusha saw the two gentlemen cheek by cheek, close in front of his face, watching the result. “Like a meat bag!” he said, it was as if the shame of it should outlive him.

Very brief - the first impression, didn't go into details.

Blood - could be a reference to Sweeney, considering the hypothesis, that Bratuha was killed by him and there was blood.
Chainsword - I thought about "vast collection of medieval weaponry", but chainsword is rather a modern weapon. Biggles has some weapon relation. Sweeney too, as his arms are weapons.
A meat bag - means human, so to cyborgs or anyone else.

A meat bag - means human, so to cyborgs or anyone else.

Correction. -> so no cyborgs or anyone else mechanical.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 18, 2020, 17:04:55
Very brief - the first impression, didn't go into details.

Blood - could be a reference to Sweeney, considering the hypothesis, that Bratuha was killed by him and there was blood.
Chainsword - I thought about "vast collection of medieval weaponry", but chainsword is rather a modern weapon. Biggles has some weapon relation. Sweeney too, as his arms are weapons.
A meat bag - means human, so to cyborgs or anyone else.

If blood really was a reference to Sweeney, it can means that Todd is active, or at least the one who voted for Drusha's hanging. Even if inactive, there's only one and it's Putin.mod2
Not really sure, but in addition to your analysis, the phrase after "Like a meat bag!"  -
it was as if the shame of it should outlive him.
most likely this phrase refers to the one who was blamed too as Drusha
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 18, 2020, 17:06:53
I had given the advice to everyone - think by yourself heads.
Of course. I see Cara-chan's and Anon's reasonable thoughts about papers and overall situation. And nothing from you. What should I do? The answer is obvious.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 18, 2020, 17:07:13
If there was a huge fortune for us, then we got rid of the Poppins. But if everything is as usual, then we elementary sawed Sherlock Watson in two.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 18, 2020, 17:19:11
The vote was fixed a little.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 19, 2020, 07:22:49
Please explain. As the rules for voting are:
I did not take into account that the rule of early lynch also changed. It is good that he is no more, but the essence of the explanation does not change.
After understanding that we agree to expel Drusha, a study of the one with whom he is a mafia should follow, if this is true.
We can still have this discussion now, right?
Just as an experience for tomorrow.

And I will play from the peaceful Dryusha, this is a safety technique in the mafia with dark results.
That is, all I know now is that this is not Orlando.

As you may have noticed, the number of votes against him is 5 with six voters.
That's what the game means at its full potential, although I would not say that my hint about what to do with a zero voice was not really slime.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 19, 2020, 09:18:53
We can still have this discussion now, right?
Yup, we definitely can have it now.

Out of 6 votes for Drusha most likely Putin's vote was not counted. Otherwise, there was someone without a vote by Moreau's intimidation.
If Drusha is mafia one from Anony-mouse/Putin can be from the mafia. If Drusha is peaceful - it's getting more complicated, as I believe, then there can be an early vote from the mafia.

Drusha's vote cannot be used as an anchor for now as it is without an effect, was given at the very end of the day and didn't affect anything either. If he was mafia - Anony-mouse can be as well.

Your vote is out-of-the-crowd, but it's okayish.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 19, 2020, 22:24:00
The Courier New

Day 3



            Deadly Strike. God's Will?


It seems that Fortune herself keeps an eye on the size of my wallet. I was about to bring you the shocking twice-in-a-week murderless night—when the right in front of my eyes, my dear readers!—beside my very office window, Falcon hunting got stuck by a bolt of lightning. The explosion was so hard it actually left me without the glass in the aforementioned window! It seems that the hand not of Her Majesty, but her boss—also known as God—personally reaped Falcon's soul.

If not this bizarre event I was so lucky to witness, I would have lost a huge pile of cryptopounds, as no one else decided to part their way with London's streets tonight. It seems, however, that shiori had a decent try: he was noticed running around the streets with a trail of blood following him. Being stopped by a bobby, he said that someone had attacked him, but he wasn't able to describe the assailant. As for the last minute, when this issue was ready for publishing, I was told that shiori was home already and that he would get better in no time. Way to go, shiori!

            — Fergus Fume



            AtroCity the Baffling


The startlingly low figures of deadly misdeeds might confuse many. Still, stay watchful and do not let such a turn of events mislead you! It is the sprouting nonchalance of ones and paroxysms of relentless paranoia of others that weave the deceit of well-being and drag us deeper into the lethargy of unfounded optimism.

However, behind that veil we still might espy the stranger things, much more worrisome. The city council is paralyzed; the executives took vacations all at once for some vague obscure reason. Or think about this, for example: the notorious den—disguised as some absurd poultry sanctuary—fortifies its ill fame with the chain of events that slowly but surely interfere with an ordinary course of things. The police forewarn tirelessly to avoid dubious establishments. Moreover, there are already several reports about streets leading pedestrians in circles. How can it be explained as not the new, deeper system hacks? One might pretend that we are doing fine, but when the fabric of city landscape itself becomes manipulated—who will stay their eyes shut in the face of our society failing?

            — George E. G. Watt



            Dear Friends,

We all are facing trying times indeed. Even our loyal readership is paralyzed by fear to express their thoughts and wills. Our correspondence was twice more modest in volume than expected. Even sadder, we are losing hope to get any correspondence from our beloved reader LIZ who managed to become a star with her first and only post. Yet we hope that fellow Londoners will find the energy to rise up and fight for themselves. To help you with that, we're pondering the idea of publishing more of your messages. Stay tuned—and stay safe!

            — All the best,
              Chief Editor





Day 3 has started. Deadline WED, 2 AM. 48 hours left.


Still alive (11):

01.
02. =>
03.
05.
07.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Not-so-much-alive (4):

04.
06.
08.
09.




Falcon couldn't continue playing and got a modkill. No other player said they aren't able to stay in the game but have some penalties and might be modkilled this Day and/or next Night. I think one modkill per phase could work.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 20, 2020, 01:12:43
Alive (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ePFxuu9lik)!

Falcon hunting got stuck by a bolt of lightning. The explosion was so hard it actually left me without the glass in the beforementioned window! It seems that the hand not of her Majesty, but her boss—also known as God—personally reaped Falcon's soul.
Falcon couldn't continue playing and got a modkill. No other player said they aren't able to stay in the game but have some penalties and might be modkilled this Day and/or next Night. I think one modkill per phase could work.

Oh my dear Goose, it seems that wish (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vv_u00Yk6w)es came true anyway if you really want it. Prayers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWY6Yp8AGQ0) were heard and another inactive player has gone (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr_1R3qrCvo). Huh? Jukebox battles are not here? Oh, excuse me, I forgot. Sorry for this music attack

It seems, however, that shiori had a decent try: he was noticed running down the streets with a trail of blood following him. Being stopped by a bobby, he said that someone had attacked him, but he wasn't able to describe the assailant.
As for the last minute, when this issue was ready for publishing, I was reported that shiori was home already and that he would get better in no time
Firstly I wanted to say that it's hardly to say who exactly tried to kill Shi and even thought about Todd, but now it seems like it was Mary.
It is said that he survived. I guess someone protected or treated him and it means he has no treatment by yourself. If Mary Poppins used the "Headshot", then we'll see a dead body. Here would be a clue if Shi was assaulted by Todd, but there's no hint so there's only one option - he was attacked by Mary's "Cleanup".

The city council is paralyzed; the executives took vacations all at once for some vague obscure reason.
"The executives" = mafia? If so, then another suspicions were confirmed. At the end of newspaper GM noted that some players are gone. And this hint means that one or even couple of mwoofiosi are inactive. So at this clue the circle of suspects are narrowed.

the notorious den—disguised as some absurd poultry sanctuary—fortifies
How rude, mr. George, how rude >:^(

Moreover, there are already several reports about streets leading pedestrians in circles. How can it be explained as not the new, deeper system hacks?
There are nothing else about mass hacks, so there I see only one option: Hyde checked someone and was not able to block and Christopher Robin missed the night, because he has only block and nothing more. Or maybe Falcon was Robin - I think there is no need to explain the reason why he could not act.

Even sadder, we are losing hope to get any correspondence from our beloved reader LIZ who managed to become a star with her first and only post.
For now I have no doubt that LIZ was Sue. That's sound a bit unrealistic if LIZ would be blocked for another night again, so yeah...  Goodbye, LIZ's interviews



Hyde checked someone and was not able to block
Regarding to the executives I want to admit that if Hyde was inactive too, then the reason why there's no block is that he is inactive and just missed the night
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 02:15:16
No, circular motion is a typical block / failure.
And who is the author of the block is still incomprehensible, Hyde, Robin or even Orlando could be described as cyber attacks.

Liz is obviously Sue, there are no surprises.

But the fact that the nickname is explicitly mentioned again, and again there are no murders, of course forces me to assume that this is still some kind of description of protection / treatment, rather protection.

Messor is an office worker. Moreover, this is Fergus’s office, which describes a criminal chronicle. I would say that he himself is probably a detective (that is, Marple), if he didn’t suspect that he probably didn’t make a move, and the lack of killings could be connected precisely with the passage of the move Moreau or Todd. I would not be surprised if the other mafia cannot send a shot.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 02:27:19
Dmixn
This is waiting for modkill, I think, but I still want to kick out Sampai.
You do nothing - you leave. Newspapers are not very clear, so we play by the methods of the classics, and this one is in the top lines in them.

the notorious den—disguised as some absurd poultry sanctuary—fortifies its ill fame with the chain of events that slowly but surely interfere with an ordinary course of things.
Den is Alice's bar, for some reason it seems to me like that.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 02:38:11
And they manipulate the landscape fabric more like a rabbit hole.

The city council is paralyzed
But this I can not determine. It may be clarified later, but I'm not sure that this is just a pass of the Mafia’s moves, I’m not at all sure.

Although they are also paralyzed after Liz’s death, perhaps this is an allusion to the role of Dryusha, but again, do not understand what this means.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 02:49:39
Deadline WED, 2 AM. 48 hours left.
We have less time than you think, it is unlikely that we can conduct an active discussion immediately before the close of the day.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 03:02:11
SamPie

Maybe it will come if you vote right away. It will not work the whole game to do nothing.
In any case, I would like to expel him, but I do not exclude that as a result of the discussion a candidate will appear better.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 07:04:17
Falcon is modkilled. And we have no clue about his role. But I have feeling that he was not mafiosi.

Shiori is attacked, but survived. Almost certainly he has the role of Oliver, given the possible options for his role that the interview analysis gave. Since it is very doubtful that the wounded Scrooge would run through the streets, but for Oliver this is a completely natural description.

The city council is paralyzed - I think this means that the townspeople are not able to organize a group. If we assume that we executed Sherlock yesterday, it means that the mafiosi learned the role of Marple earlier.
In addition, one of the city triple Marple, Sherlock, Biggles may be among the silent players.

The mention of wandering people is most likely Alice's actions.

Messor is an office worker. Moreover, this is Fergus’s office, which describes a criminal chronicle.

No, he was just struck by lightning right in front of the editor’s window.

And I, perhaps, will not vote against SamPie. I'm afraid, of course, that such a statement of mine can only harm him, given that some are ready to attribute to me the role of mafiosi. But nonetheless.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 20, 2020, 07:08:26
If not this bizarre event I was so lucky to witness, I would have lost a huge pile of cryptopounds, as no one else decided to part their way with London's streets tonight. It seems, however, that shiori had a decent try: he was noticed running down the streets with a trail of blood following him. Being stopped by a bobby, he said that someone had attacked him, but he wasn't able to describe the assailant. As for the last minute, when this issue was ready for publishing, I was reported that shiori was home already and that he would get better in no time. Way to go, shiori!

There is a range of possibilities - Mary Poppins, someone protected by Ebenezer Scrooge (if consider a possible mistake with role of Bratuha), Sweeney Todd, Sherlock's protection, Biggles, Oliver Twist.
Blood is yet again referencing to first kill of Todd and yesterday lynching, but still too vague.

LIZ was Sue with almost 100% for now, only if Falcon was not LIZ.

The city council is paralyzed;

Look like a reference to "no kills" from the mafia. Strange, that it's stated in this part of a newspaper, but maybe a hint to a block.

notorious den—disguised as some absurd poultry
I see "den" as Twist's Post-Trotskyist movement, as a headquarters could be called a den.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 07:19:18
There is a range of possibilities - Mary Poppins, someone protected by Ebenezer Scrooge (if consider a possible mistake with role of Bratuha), Sweeney Todd, Sherlock's protection, Biggles, Oliver Twist.

You should consider the Shiori interview.
There is no range of possibilities. Only two roles - Scrooge, who defended himself, or Oliver. And from the description he is Oliver.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 20, 2020, 07:24:41
You should consider the Shiori interview.
There is one thing bugging me.

Цитировать
– Do you know anyone who has already given way to his or her homicidal tendencies?
Mafia did not kill anyone when the question arose. Does it still mean that mafia given way to homicidal tendencies in that case?

That's why I see it as a range of possibilities.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 07:33:41
Mafia did not kill anyone when the question arose. Does it still mean that mafia given way to homicidal tendencies in that case?

I am convinced that this is only a presentation from the Master of the game. Interview questions are usually quite simple and specific. So this is just a stylization, which, unfortunately, adds possible unnecessary interpretations. So, I interpret this question as “are you familiar with the killers”, which should cut off the options for peaceful acquaintance of Oliver and Jeeves.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 09:03:40
And I, perhaps, will not vote against SamPie. I'm afraid, of course, that such a statement of mine can only harm him, given that some are ready to attribute to me the role of mafiosi. But nonetheless.
Justify that you vytit in him urban and name your candidacy. Well, or you can try to name those against whom you are also not ready to vote in any case.

A messor can be a mafia.
Killing is not enough, even if we assume that Shiori is the victim of an assassination attempt, where is one more?
The mafia cannot kill if Moro (or another boss) skips sending actions, this is confirmed.
A strange rule, in fact, I understand when moves are accepted only from everyone personally, so that the mafia suffers from passes as much as the city, but to deprive the right to kill due to the fact that someone misses is not entirely correct. However, this is how it works. I do not claim that this is the only explanation, but modkill in this case becomes a necessity.
Well, a hint of her Majesty’s hand is taking place, but what is the name of the mafia? Right, Queen's Hand.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 09:28:58
Of course, I will not say that he is a mafia, this is contrary to safety precautions.
But definitely this cannot be excluded from the description, and from the behavior earlier too.

For safety reasons, only peaceful ones were dropped out, that is, now we have 4 mafias and 1 maniac out of 11 players.
That is, for everyone who positions himself as a city, you can identify no more than 5-6 exactly peaceful ones (depending on whether you consider a maniac to be such), for the remaining 5-6 players, the role of the city can only be found if you approve the mafia in someone retired or admit a mistake in peace.
For example, I do not like such clear distinctions, but now it is necessary to do this. Theoretically, there is another right to make a mistake, but it to one degree or another depends on the goodwill of the maniac and the level of modkills for the city for inactivity.
3 day, a freebie with I do not know is over. Many who do not know, suppose.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 09:40:48
For example, Brother can be a mafia-Scrooge by description.
But does anyone have the right to say so now? I think not, well, except for a maniac who knows the role for sure, but in any case it is not beneficial for him to talk about it.
For the rest of those who left, the situation is similar, except that Sue can say for sure that the city is because it was killed by the mafia, and is unlike Alice’s influence in this case. Well, because I see Alice’s move in the newspaper now, but nothing like that happened yesterday. The transfer of a murder or protection there to the dead / from the dead is an important thing, it will be displayed.

That's why I see it as a range of possibilities.
No. If we consider that the question concerns those who have already killed, but cannot kill, it turns out that all the players would answer no to it, and this contradicts the principles of the interview.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 09:45:30
Justify that you vytit in him urban and name your candidacy. Well, or you can try to name those against whom you are also not ready to vote in any case.

As you know, I, like any other, can see in someone urban by his actions. And there are also other sources of information. You-Know-What. Those that are absolutely forbidden to disclose. And which can be mistakenly interpreted, to everything else.
If you call the complete list, whoever I would not hang now for one or another reason, then this - shiori, you, pastor chivay, l10ha, SamPie and Kara_Mel.

And now it seems to me more and more that yesterday I completely in vain canceled the vote on Julik1221. It was a much better candidate for execution.



Well, at least one thing I can try to fix. Of course, I hope that this is an fix, not a break.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 10:02:14
If you call the complete list, whoever I would not hang now for one or another reason, then this - shiori, you, pastor chivay, l10ha, SamPie and Kara_Mel.
Is Dryusha peaceful or the mafia?
Well, your list has now come out entirely from the offers, but SamPay does not get there.
Consider the team that you have left. Do you see that she is the mafia? Because it turns out that in it the players did nothing to win. Everyone. And what is she hoping for?

Well, in my opinion, giving someone color for no apparent reason with the story “there are things that cannot be said” cannot be considered a violation of the prohibition of autopsy in only one case - if in fact it was not because there was no information, that is, a hint of a lie is voiced.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 10:03:34
Is Dryusha peaceful or the mafia?

I believe that he was Sherlock.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 10:09:30
I will wait for the answers to the other questions, just remind you that they are, Mouse.
Of course I am lazy, but I can repeat the quotes if you ask - after which it will become impossible to pretend that you did not see. But what I definitely would not want is to say it now.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 10:23:12
Well, in my opinion, giving someone color for no apparent reason with the story “there are things that cannot be said” cannot be considered a violation of the prohibition of autopsy in only one case - if in fact it was not because there was no information, that is, a hint of a lie is voiced.

I'm not giving colours. I am not so sure of my analytical capabilities. I just gave a list of those whom I will not hang today.
In addition, my role is unknown, although I think that from my statements and actions, someone could well figure it out. Or at least figure out who I'm trying to impersonate.
And since my role is unknown, then the possible hints that I know something do not violate anything. Everyone knows something, and so do I.

I simply did not make meaningless statements that I did not vote against SamPie, because I like his eyes, which I would have to do if I were overly concerned about the procedures. I simplified the process a bit.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 10:45:51
You misconceive the concept of prohibition.
A reference to “what cannot be called” is already incorrect if it is based on real events, regardless of how many connections there are with the exact role and action, therefore it is impossible to evaluate somehow other than “this was not really”.

And without analytics, nowhere to go, even if it’s not yours. How many mafias are there among those whom you are not ready to vote? Are there Todd among these players? The number does not have to be zero, but four cannot be equal either.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 10:58:24
How many mafias are there among those whom you are not ready to vote? Are there Todd among these players?

I doubt that anyone other than the mafiosi themselves could give a long list of players without the mafia. I do not and cannot have such confidence. There are players on my list, in whose role I am sure, there are those whom I probably do not consider the mafia due to their activity, and there are players included in the list for other reasons.

If I gave a list of those whom I absolutely certainly would not hang, then it would include only one nickname - shiori. It seemed to me that this list is somewhat short.
And at the moment I have no assumptions about Todd, at least such as I would have voiced (well, I don’t have any suspicions about who he might be).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 11:06:54
The mafia could certainly make such referrals, so its very presence does not give peace.
Now imagine that all the townspeople who know something have said, we will / will not hang up such-and-such, because I have information that cannot be pronounced, and peaceful people who have no meaningful information said - well, we can’t say anything.
What to do the mafia, so as not to burn right away - but also say something like that.
And then - in itself, this did not give anything, but this statement will need to be consistent in the future.
While the peaceful will gladly use such statements of those whom they, by virtue of some facts, will find peaceful. And then one of these peaceful people will die in such a way that the role becomes plus or minus, and you will have to take this player’s statement for the truth as well or discredit him.
And how much easier it will become to assign roles if you divide the players into those who have something to say and who had nothing to say - after all, there will be such and peaceful ones too.
And how to win the mafia? The task is not too simple, in fact, because all the same can be reported more finely, but in a less obvious way, and more advanced players do just that. And so the option is cut off to say that the arguments for / against the player were unconvincing, not trying to somehow prove that they are not data on actions or something else secret.
The game is educational, just now there is an occasion to tell. GM was afraid to frighten off such not very compressible details, so we will find out in the process.

include only one nickname - shiori
And this is approximately what I wanted to show initially when I asked for the list. That your reason for not voting is inconclusive at the moment, given that you are not against all the other low-level assets, and only them.
Still not for voice in SamPai?
Then why. Given what I described above.

I can say why, regarding Julik, one can say no. Because he was also a victim, like Shiori now, have you forgotten about this? This is not an absolute argument against, but it needs to be neutralized to those who want to play against, do you agree? Open information, is in the subject, is available for discussion.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 11:42:28
Then why.
Because. Because I do not want. And this is an extremely good reason for me.
Or maybe I'm just trying to collect enough votes against him with my intolerably selfish behavior.

Oh, by the way, I could vote against InVictA too. I do not believe a single gram of his statement that he had completely studied the whole topic to vote against me. A person who has studied the whole topic would certainly have shown much more daily activity.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 20, 2020, 12:01:46
Well, a hint of her Majesty’s hand is taking place, but what is the name of the mafia?
You have not commented on this.

The attack in Invicta is more logical considering its your suspicions to you.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 12:15:17
You have not commented on this.

In my opinion there is nothing special to comment on. GM just makes it clear that this murder is not from the mafia, but from himself - just a literally decorated modkill. It is likely that GM considered it excessive to give allusions to the roles that left the game this way.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 20, 2020, 13:38:49
I'm sorry, that I'm not active today - I got piled with urgent work.


I'll briefly state my position. First of all the overall activity is awful, so I see no need to vote out any active player. For this day actives are - Uranium, Parstor, and Anony-Mouse.

I like the idea of "hand" referencing to Falcon role.
Anony-Mouse victim is strange as Julik is inactive and was a target to kill. Chances are 50/50, so I would like to search for a more rock-solid candidate.

Roughly speaking Dmixn, Putin mod.2,  Julik1221,  SamPie,  InVictA are inactive to be modkilled in one go. GM's decisions should not be discussed, but I cannot help but wonder why this hasn't been done yet. And I see only one reason - there are mafia players, whose kick-out will cause an instant end of the game.

Following that logic - out of these beautiful 5 players - Dmixn and Julik1221 are the first candidates to be modkilled, so I think it's reasonable to lynch one of the other 3.

On the other hand, I still have my distrust towards Goose - but he's missing now. Anony-Mouse once again coming into play with good analysis, but bad vote. I see no reason in hanging someone who is no. 2 in modkill list.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 20, 2020, 17:47:40
It seems that Fortune herself keeps an eye on the size of my wallet. I was about to bring you the shocking twice-in-a-week murderless night—when the right in front of my eyes, my dear readers!—beside my very office window, Falcon hunting got stuck by a bolt of lightning. The explosion was so hard it actually left me without the glass in the aforementioned window! It seems that the hand not of Her Majesty, but her boss—also known as God—personally reaped Falcon's soul.
Looks like modkill.
If not this bizarre event I was so lucky to witness, I would have lost a huge pile of cryptopounds, as no one else decided to part their way with London's streets tonight. It seems, however, that shiori had a decent try: he was noticed running around the streets with a trail of blood following him. Being stopped by a bobby, he said that someone had attacked him, but he wasn't able to describe the assailant. As for the last minute, when this issue was ready for publishing, I was told that shiori was home already and that he would get better in no time. Way to go, shiori!
A failed kill. Looks like a defense. Could not detect the killer. And there is no other kill attempts anyway.

Article from George Watt not clear. Pedestrians in circles — is this hint to citizens that check citizens? Idk.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 18:07:28
Anony-Mouse victim is strange as Julik is inactive and was a target to kill.

There is no need to remind me that Julik was the victim of an attack. I was the first to say that this player himself could be Sherlock and self-medicate, and therefore he managed to survive.
And I even came up with the idea that Julik may have been attacked / healed due to a acquaintance in real life.  And I even called rescuers to him.

And after the next night, the first thing I did was vote against Julik. And for some reason then no one was interested in the opportunity to get rid of one of the silent players. For some reason, the mafia players did not try to support me. Strange, no?
More than a day passed when l10ha voted against Drusha, and this option suddenly turned out to be so popular that two players even broke their vow of silence for the sake of voting, including Julik.
With seven voters, it can be said with a high degree of probability that the mafia became interested in this vote. And whose voice more than others looked so that the person was kicked in the chat? Julik did not even bother to write the nickname Drusha correctly.
So I have reason to say that we can very well help GM with modkill.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 20, 2020, 20:01:18
Following that logic - out of these beautiful 5 players - Dmixn and Julik1221 are the first candidates to be modkilled, so I think it's reasonable to lynch one of the other 3.
Looks reasonable.

More than a day passed when l10ha voted against Drusha, and this option suddenly turned out to be so popular that two players even broke their vow of silence for the sake of voting, including Julik.
Ok, how many bandits are in the list of Drusha voters? And who exactly. I will remind — l10ha, Kara_Mel, pastor chivay, Putin mod.2, shiori, Anony-mouse.


What about Putin mod.2? Can we combine his inactivity with hypothesis that there are 1-2 bandits in the list? What do you think?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 20, 2020, 20:41:15
hunting death tonight was expected. attack on shiori is a very interesting choice, until this night I was sure that he was a mafia or a maniac. but now I think he can be an oliver, but he cannot be killed the first time. and I think that he can be a sherlock. he could cure himself, or he fell into the pit of Alice. I was sure that the mafia and maniac would kill inactive, but now it doesn’t work like that. Now I think the mouse is a maniac. I have't  read what he wrote on the forum, but  tactics dont hang, it confuses. he writes too carefully, trying not to hurt anyone. suspiciously that's all.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 20, 2020, 22:51:19
until this night I was sure that he was a mafia or a maniac.

Why? I have already analyzed his interview. And there was only one option with the mafia and six options with the townspeople. And not a single option with a maniac. If someone else offers his own version of the analysis of the interview, then I would read it with interest.

and I think that he can be a sherlock.

Sherlock was Drusha because of "meatbag remark". It is well known meme. The Bender robot from Futurama, as well as the HK-47 robot killer from the KOTOR computer game, often used this expression. We had two robots in the game, and the first one(LIZ Bennet - Sue) was killed even earlier. So, Drusha was Sherlock.

I was sure that the mafia and maniac would kill inactive, but now it doesn’t work like that.

The mafia almost never kills the inactive first, the mafia hides among them. A maniac seeks to maintain balance. He has already killed one mafia(jekiil-hyde in my opinion), so now, perhaps, he will try to kill one of the townspeople.

Now I think the mouse is a maniac.

 :hypno: I'm not a maniac.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 04:07:54
Well, since Shiori is so peaceful, even if he calls the candidate.
My opinion is already known. Since the mafia can be four, amateur activity is not particularly permissible.
I also do not want to wait for the candidate again until the stop so that it is impossible to discuss the consequences.
So either in the near future he will be from Shiori, or we vote with me, or we lose in silence, I have no way to pull bags of stones now (including Goose, too, because the Mouse is easily a maniac / Orlando and so I know, speak out at the expense of peaceful and the mafia).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 06:09:36
anony-mouse
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 06:15:44
Goose, with whom is Mouse in the team? And if he is a maniac, then you are voting at the wrong address, not knowing the number of the living mafia to get rid of him an absurd decision.

Pastor, let's get involved in the discussion too. The newspaper and the flood in another topic is certainly good, but you have to decide on blacks.

mafia(jekiil-hyde in my opinion)
Based on what you deduced it?
For me, so if Bratukha is a maf, then Scrooge, because business.
Of course, there is a twofold phrase there, the desktop, which may also apply to the virtual table - but taking as its basis it is becoming difficult for the mafia to approve.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 06:41:18
The explanation on Messor’s account didn’t come in handy for me.
A message about the fact of modkill is below, separately, that is, duplication of information comes out.
And the Rogue has about 50% that he was the target of killing the mafia if the defense worked. It is possible to ignore this fact only if you know that the maniac did this murder, and now think about who has this knowledge?

Mouse, you say that it’s not a maniac, I suppose I believe.
the only mafia kill we have in the not-so-powerful Sue writer is to argue that the mafia does not fire inactive assets. Yes, on the first night there were half of them, not to mention the fact that they had much less chance of having protection or a check from guests.
Now anyone can consider Goose as a blocker who was with you and interrupted the kill, therefore the shooter suspects.
So will you use these suspicions to campaign in Julik?

It is dangerous to allow such assumptions, not being a maniac in fact, you find?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 07:34:52
Goose, with whom is Mouse in the team? And if he is a maniac, then you are voting at the wrong address, not knowing the number of the living mafia to get rid of him an absurd decision.

Pastor, let's get involved in the discussion too. The newspaper and the flood in another topic is certainly good, but you have to decide on blacks.

mafia(jekiil-hyde in my opinion)
Based on what you deduced it?
For me, so if Bratukha is a maf, then Scrooge, because business.
Of course, there is a twofold phrase there, the desktop, which may also apply to the virtual table - but taking as its basis it is becoming difficult for the mafia to approve.
idk it’s strange that the julik is still alive. that the mouse tried to protect her at the beginning of the second night. so I think that mouse and julik are on the same team.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 08:19:29
idk it’s strange that the julik is still alive. that the mouse tried to protect her at the beginning of the second night. so I think that mouse and julik are on the same team.
And why does he vote him?
(if anything, I come up with an explanation for this phenomenon, but I want to listen to yours)

But if you have no explanation for Mouse’s voice, Goose, then you issued the most illogical statement that it is a sign of the mafia. It would be better to find him.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 21, 2020, 09:04:08
Day 3 Exit Poll

(1): Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299128#msg1299128)
(1): Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299137#msg1299137)
(1): l10ha (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299162#msg1299162)

No vote (8): , , , , , , ,


Deadline WED 2 AM. 14 hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Putin mod.2 от Апреля 21, 2020, 09:08:25
l10ha
just for fun
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 09:10:18
Goose, with whom is Mouse in the team? And if he is a maniac, then you are voting at the wrong address, not knowing the number of the living mafia to get rid of him an absurd decision.

Pastor, let's get involved in the discussion too. The newspaper and the flood in another topic is certainly good, but you have to decide on blacks.

mafia(jekiil-hyde in my opinion)
Based on what you deduced it?
For me, so if Bratukha is a maf, then Scrooge, because business.
Of course, there is a twofold phrase there, the desktop, which may also apply to the virtual table - but taking as its basis it is becoming difficult for the mafia to approve.

Because of desktop. Internet-hacker. And "business wise" - "our business" - "Cosa nostra". I had explained it before.
And today I'm very busy myself, so i can't write many.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 21, 2020, 09:17:59
The newspaper and the flood in another topic is certainly good
Yes it is you should try it too!


but you have to decide on blacks.
Anony-mouse's behavior is really strange, but I don't really think that he is maniac. Not sure if GM was looked on his profile picture and description and while cheery yelling just: "HELL YEAH HE WILL BE TODD YA KNOW GUY HAWKS WHEHEEE". Anyway, I don't think that he is peaceful for now and for me he closely to mafia, but if so then he probably someone without weapon like Hyde or Moreau

And why does he vote him?
(if anything, I come up with an explanation for this phenomenon, but I want to listen to yours)

First I wanted to say that is cheating maneuver, but then realized that is too risky for mafia do such things. And not sure that if Julik really mafia, but if so - then he is just like ballast in his team. I more prefer version where SamPie the mafia too and that's the reason why Anony-mouse abstained from voting for him


l10ha
just for fun
Спойлер
haha mafia so funny game lmao just for lulz
I don't understand why you maintain such sluggisn activity with no arguments and still play
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 09:22:36
 :face: I think it's making my choice clear. "Just for fun" is not the reason. He definitely wants to stay in-game, but his play gives nothing.

In any active scenario, I would prefer to lynch any of Goose/Mouse and depending on the results play with the other, but now I see dreary option playing only with a silent player with no reasoning. That's why my choice is Putin.

Putin mod.2
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 09:47:05
idk it’s strange that the julik is still alive. that the mouse tried to protect her at the beginning of the second night. so I think that mouse and julik are on the same team.
And why does he vote him?
(if anything, I come up with an explanation for this phenomenon, but I want to listen to yours)

But if you have no explanation for Mouse’s voice, Goose, then you issued the most illogical statement that it is a sign of the mafia. It would be better to find him.
how do you read my comments? I've been writing why he seems suspicious to me for two days in a row. I advise you to read above.



The newspaper and the flood in another topic is certainly good
Yes it is you should try it too!


but you have to decide on blacks.
Anony-mouse's behavior is really strange, but I don't really think that he is maniac. Not sure if GM was looked on his profile picture and description and while cheery yelling just: "HELL YEAH HE WILL BE TODD YA KNOW GUY HAWKS WHEHEEE". Anyway, I don't think that he is peaceful for now and for me he closely to mafia, but if so then he probably someone without weapon like Hyde or Moreau

And why does he vote him?
(if anything, I come up with an explanation for this phenomenon, but I want to listen to yours)

First I wanted to say that is cheating maneuver, but then realized that is too risky for mafia do such things. And not sure that if Julik really mafia, but if so - then he is just like ballast in his team. I more prefer version where SamPie the mafia too and that's the reason why Anony-mouse abstained from voting for him


l10ha
just for fun
Спойлер
haha mafia so funny game lmao just for lulz
I don't understand why you maintain such sluggisn activity with no arguments and still play
hope you are hanged just for fun :flush:

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 11:09:29
how do you read my comments? I've been writing why he seems suspicious to me for two days in a row. I advise you to read above.
I ask, on the basis of which you brought Mouse and Julik together with the mafia, given the Mouse's voice against the Julik.
And I really do not like the fact that you chose not to understand this question so as not to answer it.
A new attempt, and my patience is not unlimited.
I think that mouse and julik are on the same team.


What I am observing now is silent horror.
Do you understand such a thing as joint voting?
Campaign do not understand.
Caramel, concerns you too. Not much time is left, but let us spray our voices.
Explain to me why the Sampai lynch is bad, that you refuse to support him?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 11:21:14
,  I also put forward the theory that "personal and buisenesslike" might allude to the double essence of Jekyll Hyde. "The strange story of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" - Mr. is just a personal, neutral treatment, but the "doctor" is already talking about a certain position occupied by a person.
Well, I will have time at late evening for any questions. But earlier - hardly I can.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 11:26:32
how do you read my comments? I've been writing why he seems suspicious to me for two days in a row. I advise you to read above.
I ask, on the basis of which you brought Mouse and Julik together with the mafia, given the Mouse's voice against the Julik.
And I really do not like the fact that you chose not to understand this question so as not to answer it.
A new attempt, and my patience is not unlimited.
I think that mouse and julik are on the same team.


What I am observing now is silent horror.
Do you understand such a thing as joint voting?
Campaign do not understand.
Caramel, concerns you too. Not much time is left, but let us spray our voices.
Explain to me why the Sampai lynch is bad, that you refuse to support him?
I repeat again. I wrote above why I consider them in one team. I’m sorry that I read all your essays, and you can’t even read a small message. but I will repeat it again especially for you. I consider them on the same team, because after the attack on Julik, the mouse asked  to cure him, the next day he did not vote for him right away. after the comments he voted. maybe he did it because he thought no one would kill a julika? since then a new victim, drusha, appeared. then all abruptly departed from the identity of the julik and switched to drushu. so clear?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 11:32:53
Pastor, can you explain to me what is happening.
I see all four of those who voted after me as those still leaders, because each of them leads his own line, without regard to the rest.
Everyone needs a discussion, and I don’t watch it the second day.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 11:33:11
how do you read my comments? I've been writing why he seems suspicious to me for two days in a row. I advise you to read above.
I ask, on the basis of which you brought Mouse and Julik together with the mafia, given the Mouse's voice against the Julik.
And I really do not like the fact that you chose not to understand this question so as not to answer it.
A new attempt, and my patience is not unlimited.
I think that mouse and julik are on the same team.


What I am observing now is silent horror.
Do you understand such a thing as joint voting?
Campaign do not understand.
Caramel, concerns you too. Not much time is left, but let us spray our voices.
Explain to me why the Sampai lynch is bad, that you refuse to support him?
Yesterday I would vote for him, but now the need for this has disappeared. I am sure that GM will do something with him. but if you want so, then I can vote for him. only here  what the point?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 11:37:07
, I have to remind you that my voice on Julik sagged for a day and another 5 hours. This interested absolutely no one. Although the players, it would seem, should have thought that if, after yesterday's massive support for Julik, I suddenly vote against him, then I should have a reason for this. But no, I had no support either from the townspeople or from the mafia side.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 11:37:08
so clear?
No, it’s not clear to me how you explain his voice now.
And (on-mode mentor) in this case it is necessary to start with Julik, because there is always the probability of an error in assessing the mafia, and against the Julik there is an additional Mouse voice, that is, the probability of success of this vote becomes higher.
If you think differently (that it is easier to expel the Mouse), then explain why.

Yesterday I would vote for him, but now the need for this has disappeared. I am sure that GM will do something with him. but if you want so, then I can vote for him. only here  what the point?
Now this is more like an explanation, thanks.
And can you tell who else can be with them two or can not be with them two?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 11:45:44
so clear?
No, it’s not clear to me how you explain his voice now.
And (on-mode mentor) in this case it is necessary to start with Julik, because there is always the probability of an error in assessing the mafia, and against the Julik there is an additional Mouse voice, that is, the probability of success of this vote becomes higher.
If you think differently (that it is easier to expel the Mouse), then explain why.

Yesterday I would vote for him, but now the need for this has disappeared. I am sure that GM will do something with him. but if you want so, then I can vote for him. only here  what the point?
Now this is more like an explanation, thanks.
And can you tell who else can be with them two or can not be with them two?
I do not understand. I’ve already got everything for you. will you be sure of my wrong choice until i vote for sampai? I don’t like when someone tries to impose someone else’s opinions on me. I specifically do not want to vote for him now. I'm a free bird, you know



so clear?
No, it’s not clear to me how you explain his voice now.
And (on-mode mentor) in this case it is necessary to start with Julik, because there is always the probability of an error in assessing the mafia, and against the Julik there is an additional Mouse voice, that is, the probability of success of this vote becomes higher.
If you think differently (that it is easier to expel the Mouse), then explain why.

Yesterday I would vote for him, but now the need for this has disappeared. I am sure that GM will do something with him. but if you want so, then I can vote for him. only here  what the point?
Now this is more like an explanation, thanks.
And can you tell who else can be with them two or can not be with them two?
I’m too lazy to explain this all to you. the goose did not sleep for a long time and he needs go to sleep. I will come back to you in a few hours and explain all my theories.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 11:54:53
I do not understand. I’ve already got everything for you. will you be sure of my wrong choice until i vote for sampai? I don’t like when someone tries to impose someone else’s opinions on me. I specifically do not want to vote for him now. I'm a free bird, you know
No, I don’t like that you’re not trying to convince me that I’m wrong and should vote with you.
And questions remain - who else may or may not be with Mouse and Julik, if any.
I want to look at how you are trying to reflect, formulating a likely Mafia command. After reading these thoughts, you can understand whether they brought them out to be peaceful, just look at the presence of contradictions and their explanations.
Or I can explicitly refuse, because you didn’t do such reasoning and are not going to even at the request, understanding the advantage (peaceful reasoning = peaceful Goose = support for Goose’s voice)

Ofc, Shiori is needed to make a strong point.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 21, 2020, 12:13:28
I am sure that GM will do something with him. but if you want so, then I can vote for him. only here  what the point?
I'm going to modkill one offliner each day and one offliner each night until we're out of offliners to modkill. Now I have 5 candidates to choose from, more or less randomly each time (the stage of lethargy counts). You still are able to accelerate this process if you want, but it's not necessary.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 12:19:20
Caramel, concerns you too. Not much time is left, but let us spray our voices.

As I told, there is a double edge problem here - I distrust both of Goose and Mouse. Yet looking at the voting I can say, that they are in different teams.

Your vote in SamPie, who never ever voted is not reasonable. Putin is a more highly-likely mafia player, but I cannot say that about SamPie based on the absence of voting.

So, if not Putin, which is a better choice to fit the role of the mafia, then only was is to support Goose's vote and lynch Mouse. At least it will break up a confrontation and the role of Goose/Putin can be predicted based on Mouse's role. The only problem if both are peaceful, but it seems it's not - at least to me.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 21, 2020, 12:26:08
Pastor, can you explain to me what is happening.
Of course, my son, you can always ask me to help!  :sobeauty:

I see all four of those who voted after me as those still leaders, because each of them leads his own line, without regard to the rest.
I don't remember that someone voted for you as leader and in fact we must not to have leader, but we may. Perhaps you considered the support of you at the beginning of game as leadership, but it turned out to be wrong. In fact, it's difficult for me to gather my thoughts in this ocean of other's thoughts and suspects. And as Anony-mouse said, it's hard to lead the discussion while part of sense of the text (especially yours) is lost due to translator. So yeah, now we can see obscure stream of other player's thoughts. Maybe this meticulousness was the reason of such low activity

Despite the my statements about Anony-mouse I still think that we need to get rid of ballasts - inactive players. It's hard for me to choose anyone, but immediate candidates to me is Anony-mouse and Putin.mod2. SamPie wrote something unnecessary a few days ago and since then he did not appear. I think he would be the second one who gets a modkill, so yeah. I thought they can change my mind about them till the evening but now I don't think so
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 13:45:45
Well, let's imagine that we have all the offers dropped out (which, as I understand it, is likely to happen over the next 5 periods). During this time, there will be 3 votes and 2 nights - 4 corpses of the mafia + maniac, which is much more than the number of remaining players.
I can also say that if all the living things were not good at the moment among this five (Dmixn, Putin mod.2, Julik1221, SamPie
InVictA) then continuing the game further would not make sense at all, as sooner or later they will be eliminated.
Therefore, it will have to be recognized that a)
there is at least one, or even more player with higher activity
b) we do not have time for 5 consecutive modkills, if we calculate this player now.
Therefore, you need at least one demolition vote in the top five, and then our showdown among those who will remain in the game after night.
Information about the roles of the offers that comes with death is still necessary, therefore, most likely, starting a showdown is now dangerous. In that regard, just to vote, you can suspect as much as you like.

So, it remains for us to choose one of these five, I hope you agree with this. Another 1 (I think Dmxin) will leave modkill in the afternoon, someone at night. Thus, only 1 player will remain among the offers. And 3-6 assets roughly, depending on how the keels fall.
This is the optimal situation in which you can reflect (well, actions must be sent taking into account the fact that it will arise).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 13:51:03
Either it was extremely erroneous to consider many active players as citizens, or we have a crisis that manifested itself in the fact that new players are overly optimistic in assessing their experience and skills. What do you think, Uranium?)
But even in this case, the game will not cease to be educational.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 13:51:57
Here is such a sentence. We select 1 victim now, we get 2 corpses (day + night extra), and 1 more highly probable tomorrow, after which disassembly will be possible.
The fact that all five are peaceful I do not accept. Part is possible.
All I'm waiting for is for Shiori to name the victim for today.
Without a lynch, we won’t figure it out among them (for example, in the reluctance to vote for SamPay, I see the protection of this player, so in any case I need to estimate who he is in the role that will be when (if) he receives a modkil or writes enough to avoid it.

And I even admit that it is the mafia, seeing the current conditions of Armageddon, will write something inactive so that the hand of justice does not fall.

Either it was extremely erroneous to consider many active players as citizens, or we have a crisis that manifested itself in the fact that new players are overly optimistic in assessing their experience and skills. What do you think, Uranium?)
But even in this case, the game will not cease to be educational.


Both that and another are true.
Be all peaceful among the assets, the victory of the city could already be declared.
But who is superfluous to me in such a situation is not too easy, there are too many unknowns, and we can reduce them as much as 3 values.
More than two blasphemy among the assets are also unlikely, for exactly the same reason - it would already be possible to declare the victory of the mafia, if the city is not coordinated - perhaps bliss of different teams.

I think you agree that Shiori nominates the vote, and everyone who positions himself as a city should support it?
Interview + attempt give him not a lot of blackness in the end, let him choose.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 14:08:30
Everyone has cons, in fact. Even Shiori acts too little to be exactly peaceful.
The influence of Caramel has decreased compared to the previous day.
SamPaya - and I consider him the most likely mafia now, the ignore of yesterday’s vote makes him the most suspicious (dmksin didn’t even appear, he may not know what he’s playing, I won’t be surprised, and the Rogue tried to vote, just without arguments) you defend everything, I still have not seen a voice in my support. The Pastor’s consent is too accurate, and doesn’t particularly oblige him to prove something to someone, he apparently wants to think all the way, while the time for thinking has already passed, and we must act.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 21, 2020, 14:20:29
I approve the way of getting rid of useless player with no arguments but now it has no sense. GM will kill inactive players anyway and maybe then they'll finally wake up. Someone from inactive would modkilled today and at the night too - two people will die. There is a 50/50 chance that a victim of the mafia/maniac would be another inactive, although an active player may well be killed too. 3-4 corpses follow from there. For now, if we can focus on an active players - we shall do this

Anony-mouse

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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 21, 2020, 14:46:23
Even Shiori acts too little to be exactly peaceful.
Sorry, I can not read this volume of english text especially at the working days.

My short opinion about players. Uran, Cara-chan, Anon & Chivay looks active and reasonable. l10ha is active, but I do not see many useful thoughts from him. Dmixn, Putin, Julik, SamPie, InVictA — all of them looks too passive. It was an interesting theory from Anon that Julik can be bandit but I do not see any agreements with this.

So. I can support hanging of any passive player.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 14:52:40
There is a 50/50 chance that a victim of the mafia/maniac would be another inactive
Does not exist. With the same logic as the city, “They'll Die Anyway,” the chance drops to about zero.

So. I can support hanging of any passive player.
Choose for sure, there is not enough time left until the end.
My recommendation is SamPai, he, according to the logic of skipping the vote in peaceful Dryusha, is the most likely mafia.
Well, you can estimate how many people who wanted to support this vote were found (not at all).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 15:00:11
There is a 50/50 chance that a victim of the mafia/maniac would be another inactive
Does not exist. With the same logic as the city, “They'll Die Anyway,” the chance drops to about zero.

So. I can support hanging of any passive player.
Choose for sure, there is not enough time left until the end.
My recommendation is SamPai, he, according to the logic of skipping the vote in peaceful Dryusha, is the most likely mafia.       
Well, you can estimate how many people who wanted to support this vote were found (not at all).
hey how do you like such a theory? mouse and uranium bound

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 21, 2020, 15:04:09
Does not exist. With the same logic as the city, “They'll Die Anyway,” the chance drops to about zero.
I don't get anything again. I guess that you just deny the fact that Anony-mouse can be mafia. Why then?

My recommendation is SamPai, he, according to the logic of skipping the vote in peaceful Dryusha, is the most likely mafia.
And to me it seems that he is just don't care about game. I'm not even sure that he carefully read what we wrote here. But maybe you're right. Anyway I still sure that he'll be modkilled soon and my opinion has not changed
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 15:06:23
hey how do you like such a theory? mouse and uranium bound
It is useless to prove to me that I am connected with someone, this must be done explaining my position to others.

But you can study how many times I expressed my dissatisfaction with the Mouse, or how many times he supported me at least in something important, if you are interested in how it will be broken.
For me, the Mouse is still a frequent maniac / Orlando still, that is, it was just peacefulness that I did not see.
Yes, he is simply suspected by everyone around who has even expressed something, even Invict. That is, the mafia team with him must contain offers, one way or another, which you do not want to tell.

I don't get anything again. I guess that you just deny the fact that Anony-mouse can be mafia. Why then?
I do not deny, I see him less likely given the pressure against him. That is, either he has companions who can at least say something, or someone deliberately merges it from their own. In both cases, he will be doomed in any case.
As for the death of SamPai, I doubt that it will be earlier than Dmksin and Julik, if suddenly one of them does not come to act.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 15:25:11
  I have a strong temptation to support my execution, since the next two days I will very likely be busy more than expected.

 Oh, and yes, I seem to have overdone it a bit with choosing an unpleasant avatar. It is very difficult to trust a person with such an avatar.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 21, 2020, 15:27:04
Choose for sure, there is not enough time left until the end.
I will support, but not choose. By the way, I wrote about Putin's presence in the last voting. You all can discuss this.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 15:50:50
  I have a strong temptation to support my execution, since the next two days I will very likely be busy more than expected.

 Oh, and yes, I seem to have overdone it a bit with choosing an unpleasant avatar. It is very difficult to trust a person with such an avatar.


One of the main practical conclusions is that one who wants to be executed must be executed for the very fact of this desire.
Are you still confident in your desire? If so, the issue has been resolved for me.


I will support, but not choose. By the way, I wrote about Putin's presence in the last voting. You all can discuss this.
Hmm, and who do you want to support? I mean, who is that peaceful (s) who will be your support.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 15:59:57
I don't get why SamPie who never voted and one of those who will be modkilled is a target for voting, but not Putin, who gave all 3 votes.


We have now:

Goose -> Mouse
Pastor -> Mouse

Putin -> Goose

Kara_Mel -> Putin

These both votes are strange:

Mouse -> Julik
Uranium -> SamPie
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Looking at the votes, it's possible to assume, that:
1. Goose and Mouse do not know each other*;
2. Putin and Goose do not know each other*.

*at least both are not mafia.

Both Mouse and Uranium trying to get out of the game non-actives, who are gonna be killed by GM anyway. Why? It won't give any more info to play with. Putin at least now caught in one voting turmoil.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 16:14:58
hey how do you like such a theory? mouse and uranium bound
It is useless to prove to me that I am connected with someone, this must be done explaining my position to others.

But you can study how many times I expressed my dissatisfaction with the Mouse, or how many times he supported me at least in something important, if you are interested in how it will be broken.
For me, the Mouse is still a frequent maniac / Orlando still, that is, it was just peacefulness that I did not see.
Yes, he is simply suspected by everyone around who has even expressed something, even Invict. That is, the mafia team with him must contain offers, one way or another, which you do not want to tell.

I don't get anything again. I guess that you just deny the fact that Anony-mouse can be mafia. Why then?
I do not deny, I see him less likely given the pressure against him. That is, either he has companions who can at least say something, or someone deliberately merges it from their own. In both cases, he will be doomed in any case.
As for the death of SamPai, I doubt that it will be earlier than Dmksin and Julik, if suddenly one of them does not come to act.
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You are actively protecting the mouse. why? because you have to hang inactive? Today we told you about ten times that you dont have to do this. you are trying to justify him, but why? the mouse is really a suspicious player, so why don't you notice it? I renounce your defense and will not support u in your endevaours beeeee
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 16:22:08
, everything is not so simple. If I were sure that the townspeople hang me - I, as a true citizen, could not help but support them. The problem is that I'm not so sure that those who hang me are the townspeople. From the goose, there was still no benefit to the city, for example. But he already hung one citizen.

, It amazes me how you manage to ignore the fact that "sleeping" mafiosi can wake up at the click of a finger. Sleeping mafiosi perform NA, and if I understand correctly, then for this reason they will have a chance to fall under the modkill later than the "sleeping" townspeople, who are inactive day and night.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 21, 2020, 16:29:44
, everything is not so simple. If I were sure that the townspeople hang me - I, as a true citizen, could not help but support them. The problem is that I'm not so sure that those who hang me are the townspeople. From the goose, there was still no benefit to the city, for example. But he already hung one citizen.

It's stupid to accept your hanging while being a kittyzen, cuz it leads only to city's lose. Looking back on my experience, only those ppl who was mafia did that. They did that in order to show that they have nothing to lose and they're ready to accept their fate, so others may reconsider their opinion about that player
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 16:38:10
Kara_Mel, It amazes me how you manage to ignore the fact that "sleeping" mafiosi can wake up at the click of a finger. Sleeping mafiosi perform NA, and if I understand correctly, then for this reason they will have a chance to fall under the modkill later than the "sleeping" townspeople, who are inactive day and night.

Inactive => player who does not write anything in the topic, so their roles cannot be identified by the town via discussions. It should be no difference between "executing NA" or not.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 16:43:53
, this is not stupid in some circumstances. For example, when you simply do not have so much time to pull the city out of the swamp into which it is striving by all means. In fact, I’m not at all sure that I would be able to save the city even if I had time, but at least I would really try to do it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 17:03:15
, everything is not so simple. If I were sure that the townspeople hang me - I, as a true citizen, could not help but support them. The problem is that I'm not so sure that those who hang me are the townspeople. From the goose, there was still no benefit to the city, for example. But he already hung one citizen.

, It amazes me how you manage to ignore the fact that "sleeping" mafiosi can wake up at the click of a finger. Sleeping mafiosi perform NA, and if I understand correctly, then for this reason they will have a chance to fall under the modkill later than the "sleeping" townspeople, who are inactive day and night.
I helped to hang a drushu because it was inactive. I was not interested in his role. I want to remind you that from the very beginning of the day I said, "I will hang all the dead indiscriminately," so I did. he paid for his silence.



, this is not stupid in some circumstances. For example, when you simply do not have so much time to pull the city out of the swamp into which it is striving by all means. In fact, I’m not at all sure that I would be able to save the city even if I had time, but at least I would really try to do it.
come on, convince me that you are not a mafia. we have time before wednesday, right?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 17:48:58
, As far as I remember, you did not just help to hang Drusha, it was you who started this process.

Further, of the two of us, it was I who tried to hang the “inactive” player — not you. When I voted against Julik1221, he did not have a single post, and Drusha had 13 posts.

I also analyzed both newspapers and Shiori's interviews.

Now prove that YOU are not a mafia. In general, I wonder how you imagine how someone can prove it? At least I do everything that a good citizen should do.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 18:08:28
, As far as I remember, you did not just help to hang Drusha, it was you who started this process.

Further, of the two of us, it was I who tried to hang the “inactive” player — not you. When I voted against Julik1221, he did not have a single post, and Drusha had 13 posts.

I also analyzed both newspapers and Shiori's interviews.

Now prove that YOU are not a mafia. In general, I wonder how you imagine how someone can prove it? At least I do everything that a good citizen should do.
Yes, I started this process and do not hide. at that time he confused everything and became a victim of this roulette. am I a mafia? No, not the mafia, and I'm sure of it. why did i vote for you now? because  have to act.



, As far as I remember, you did not just help to hang Drusha, it was you who started this process.

Further, of the two of us, it was I who tried to hang the “inactive” player — not you. When I voted against Julik1221, he did not have a single post, and Drusha had 13 posts.

I also analyzed both newspapers and Shiori's interviews.

Now prove that YOU are not a mafia. In general, I wonder how you imagine how someone can prove it? At least I do everything that a good citizen should do.
Yes, I started this process and do not hide. at that time he confused everything and became a victim of this roulette. am I a mafia? No, not the mafia, and I'm sure of it. why did i vote for you now? because  have to act.


if I were you, I would stop blaming us for the stupidity of our actions :flush:

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 18:22:15
am I a mafia? No, not the mafia, and I'm sure of it.

Brilliant proof. The city will be saved. The galaxy is also safe. The coronavirus dies in horror at your greatness.

Disgraced, I creep out into my hole to ponder whether I am a mafia or a trembling creature.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 21, 2020, 18:48:21
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if I were you, I would stop blaming us for the stupidity of our actions
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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 21, 2020, 19:39:40
Day 3 Exit Poll

(1): Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299128#msg1299128)
(1): Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299137#msg1299137)
(2): l10ha (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299162#msg1299162), pastor chivay (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299195#msg1299195)
(1): Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299172#msg1299172)

No vote (6): , , , , ,


Deadline WED 2 AM. 3.5 hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 19:52:55
Okay I am forced to remove the vote for the second time from Julik1221. After considering the rest of the proposed candidates, I will vote against Putin mod.2
Just for the simple reason that the other options are even worse.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 21, 2020, 20:02:30
PS: I'll be sleeping at 2 (hopefully), so I'll close the voting in the morning. The night phase will also be countdowned from that moment. But no votes after 2:00 will be accepted.

PPS:
GIMME GOOOOORE
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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 20:19:53
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if I were you, I would stop blaming us for the stupidity of our actions
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ooh yeah

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 20:26:56
the other options are even worse.
You are just incredibly stubborn.

Both Mouse and Uranium trying to get out of the game non-actives, who are gonna be killed by GM anyway. Why? It won't give any more info to play with. Putin at least now caught in one voting turmoil.
And I told you why. I can repeat it - because there is not enough time for all five.
And what you see is strange in a voice on suspicions made before this announcement you already need to explain.

I will support, but not choose.
Shiori never said how peaceful he prefers to support, if he doesn’t come up with his own candidate.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 21, 2020, 20:33:45


Just because Anon's theory about last hanging. Idk, is this choice good or not.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 20:35:03
Now, as I understand it, voting, if the event at which half of the players did not attend, can be called that, will depend on me.
Kick Putin-mod, kick the mouse or leave it as it is, so that there was a draw or someone (the mafia) changed / produced a voice at the very end.
And I am for the fourth option - to wait, who else is ready to consider other voting options and why.

Just because Anon's theory about last hanging. Idk, is this choice good or not.
Was waiting for me?
Thanks

Well, it remains to find out if Caramel wants to say something about the one who is blacker than the Mouse or the Putin mod, and apparently nothing more will be possible to find out (except for sudden bursts at night, of course).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 20:47:34
For now, I would generally kick the Julik out.
The mouse hurried to remove his voice.
Goose's opinion Julik is also a mafia, he can be made to vote on him. In the end, if the Mouse turns off this suspect when there are people willing to, it will prove the mafia is too clear for him to risk taking it.
Shiori likes Mouse theories; he can also be made to vote on him.

, Well, Gus, will we turn into a Julik?
He’s the Mafia, I remind you. And the chances of chasing out the Mouse after Shiori's voice are definitely not very good. It’s trite to require at least a re-voice of Caramel, or 2 voices (mine and someone else, just tell me first this someone). What I will not do is a draw, it’s pretty obvious.
Mouse will not have a chance to change his voice with his rhetoric, since he considers Rogue to be a mafia, and Putin-mod is the best substitute, no more.

I don’t want to support Shiori already, with such passive rhetoric.
I can support the caramel, but will not talk, it will again become uninteresting.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 20:59:36
An ideal compromise candidate, on the account of which we do not know who he is this bullcrap.
He does not give information.
That's how willing Gus and Mouse are to vote their Rogue Mafia - informative in any case.

In general, I will vote, and in an hour I will read your excuses why you do not want to kick out your mafia.
And from Shiori and Caramel, too, by the way. From Caramel - its mafia Mouse, from Shiori, on the contrary, why it does not support the Mouse as a peaceful one.

One offer must be demolished, and this should give information. Putin-mod will not give information. The crook will give, both in the case when he hangs, and in the case when he does not hang.

Julik1221
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 21:04:07
For now, I would generally kick the Julik out.
The mouse hurried to remove his voice.
Goose's opinion Julik is also a mafia, he can be made to vote on him. In the end, if the Mouse turns off this suspect when there are people willing to, it will prove the mafia is too clear for him to risk taking it.
Shiori likes Mouse theories; he can also be made to vote on him.

, Well, Gus, will we turn into a Julik?
He’s the Mafia, I remind you. And the chances of chasing out the Mouse after Shiori's voice are definitely not very good. It’s trite to require at least a re-voice of Caramel, or 2 voices (mine and someone else, just tell me first this someone). What I will not do is a draw, it’s pretty obvious.
Mouse will not have a chance to change his voice with his rhetoric, since he considers Rogue to be a mafia, and Putin-mod is the best substitute, no more.

I don’t want to support Shiori already, with such passive rhetoric.
I can support the caramel, but will not talk, it will again become uninteresting.
why julik  mafia? ... you know, I don’t want to change my decision



An ideal compromise candidate, on the account of which we do not know who he is this bullshit.
He does not give information.
That's how willing Gus and Mouse are to vote their Rogue Mafia - informative in any case.

In general, I will vote, and in an hour I will read your excuses why you do not want to kick out your mafia.
And from Shiori and Caramel, too, by the way. From Caramel - its mafia Mouse, from Shiori, on the contrary, why it does not support the Mouse as a peaceful one.

One offer must be demolished, and this should give information. Putin-mod will not give information. The crook will give, both in the case when he hangs, and in the case when he does not hang.

Julik1221

I will ask again. why we must vote now for a dead player if he dies anyway?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 21:07:59
why julik  mafia? ... you know, I don’t want to change my decision
You told me this yourself today.
Why Julik Mafia with Mouse. Something there involving treatment.
The mouse does not hang, as you see, if you do not convince Caramel or Shiori, or me + someone else. It’s possible for me, but first show me this second one.

I do not say that he is a mafia, I argue that the refusal of you and Mice to vote in your mafia will give information that we lack, because I agree to peacefully vote my mafia in order to drive out.

I will ask again. why we must vote now for a dead player if he dies anyway?
And I’ll answer about the fifth time - all the offers will not die, the game will end earlier. And we need information about them at least posthumously, since they will not get it from a live player.

I don’t want to change my voice either.
But it is clear that I did not receive support, and I have to concede.

Many have to concede, this is the essence of teamwork in the city, by avoiding which the mafia is well calculated.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 21:20:22
pastor, also u may answer, who are players who vote in Mouse to kill him (need 4 votes or more vs 3 in Putinmod)?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 21, 2020, 21:27:36
pastor, also u may answer, who are players who vote in Mouse to kill him (need 4 votes or more vs 3 in Putinmod)?

What can I answer? Not really sure if today we manage to hang Mouse if only Kara_mel change her voice and vote for him. That's it. Don't think that anyone else will vote for Julik so almost everything depends on your and maybe Cara's voice. I wouldn't change my voice tho
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 21:49:50
I'm still here, but I'm really sleepy, so instead of reading out your text and answering your questions let's do otherwise. I'll ask you, Uranium.

1. From where come the proof, that Julik is mafia? Mentioning in the newspaper gave me nothing. No voting - even more.
2. About time - you're not correct. There are 5 players, who can be kicked out - if you lynch Putin or Julik - results won't change in the end. But Putin is last to kick out in the list, while Julik is one of the first.
3. Who do YOU want to kick out besides Julik?
4. Why should I change my vote, but not you?
5. If I'll change my vote to the Mouse as he is in my suspect list - what will be your actions?
6. If I'll change my vote to Julik - Mouse still will be jailed, if both Julik/Mouse will have 2/2 tie.

And I have forgotten about the main question.
7. Your initial proposal was SamPie - have you forgotten it so easily?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:01:14
why julik  mafia? ... you know, I don’t want to change my decision
You told me this yourself today.
Why Julik Mafia with Mouse. Something there involving treatment.
The mouse does not hang, as you see, if you do not convince Caramel or Shiori, or me + someone else. It’s possible for me, but first show me this second one.

I do not say that he is a mafia, I argue that the refusal of you and Mice to vote in your mafia will give information that we lack, because I agree to peacefully vote my mafia in order to drive out.

I will ask again. why we must vote now for a dead player if he dies anyway?
And I’ll answer about the fifth time - all the offers will not die, the game will end earlier. And we need information about them at least posthumously, since they will not get it from a live player.

I don’t want to change my voice either.
But it is clear that I did not receive support, and I have to concede.

Many have to concede, this is the essence of teamwork in the city, by avoiding which the mafia is well calculated.
I assumed then and you know it perfectly. you are aggressively trying to convince me that I’m wrong. if they don’t hang a mouse, then I don’t care.  it is already hard to answer your questions. I feel a thick wall between us.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:02:44
Seems he has left.

Maybe someone else wants me to change the vote of mine. The same list of questions to you - just use nickname you need.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:12:35
I am here, and I could well vote back to Julik if someone else voted against him. Otherwise, it’s safer for me to keep my vote on Putin-2.
To tell you the truth, I didn’t assume that someone was still intriguing here.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:16:04
Seems he has left.

Maybe someone else wants me to change the vote of mine. The same list of questions to you - just use nickname you need.
why do u vote for Putin? he's gonna die so soon

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:17:51
By the way, if with two votes in me and three in Putin, we will be executed both, then the goose and the pastor are most likely the mafia. Maniac, cowboy, take into account.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:19:14
I'm still here, but I'm really sleepy, so instead of reading out your text and answering your questions let's do otherwise. I'll ask you, Uranium.
It doesn’t work like that. I warned that the discussion must begin earlier. Who tightened up? The complaint is rejected, it is necessary to read and respond.

1. Why Putin mod? There is no sane information, and there are no clear answers. This is a useful candidate because he shows how Gus is easily able to call someone a mafia and refuse to vote on him instead of immediately recognizing that his assumption was untenable. To get this information, I did not even need a vote, I already received it.
2. No, the result will change, if one of them is a maniac, then the dead will not be able to shoot. Also, if one of them is a mafia and the other is not, the team’s capabilities will be reduced. And the most important thing was said above.
3 + 7. Sampaya. And if you do not make excuses that there was nothing to say for 2 days, and then fatigue, you can see that I did not refuse these suspicions, I just see that they have 0 support. Because the Mouse is also a candidate, in fact, since it protects this way. Or I was severely mistaken, and his assumption about peaceful Sampai is true.
4. You can change. I've already changed, seeing that the candidate is not relevant, because the question is inappropriate, and his wording is stupid.
5. Since I am definitely not a fan of draw, I will have to support too. In the end, the voices of the mafia in the last few minutes have not been canceled.
6. And if you change and the Mouse changes too, then there will be no more. But it is obvious that if he does not come in the next 15 minutes, the option will not make sense. I have already received everything I wanted from this offer - Gus announced the Mafia Roger, but I’m not ready to vote, and finds various reasons not to admit that he was wrong then, or that he is now fails.

Now answer you, and forget to speak up on what the peace you have given for Shiori is based.

I assumed then
guess again.
Who is with the mouse?

And do not forget to say that earlier you were apparently mistaken, and Mouse-Julik is not team.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:23:50
By the way, if with two votes in me and three in Putin, we will be executed both, then the goose and the pastor are most likely the mafia. Maniac, cowboy, take into account.

lol are u upset that u might get hanged? u don't think could double the votes of someone?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:24:27
Seems he has left.

Maybe someone else wants me to change the vote of mine. The same list of questions to you - just use nickname you need.
why do u vote for Putin? he's gonna die so soon



Because he always voted, so he doesn't want to be kicked out OR had been forced to vote. Anyway silent player with voting imitation is suspicious.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:24:53
I assumed then
guess again.
Who is with the mouse?

And do not forget to say that earlier you were apparently mistaken, and Mouse-Julik is not team.
I dint want do answer u :sorry:

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:27:58
I dint want do answer u
Why?
Questions are uncomfortable or are you afraid of responsibility for words?

Today, Putin's vote is not counted anyway.
It's a pity. The mouse considers Gus a possible neg, so he would vote in him then.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:30:25

I assumed then
guess again.
Who is with the mouse?

And do not forget to say that earlier you were apparently mistaken, and Mouse-Julik is not team.
im sure that I am right. I am tired if your trying to force my own defeat on me.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:31:03
I'm still here, but I'm really sleepy, so instead of reading out your text and answering your questions let's do otherwise. I'll ask you, Uranium.
It doesn’t work like that. I warned that the discussion must begin earlier. Who tightened up? The complaint is rejected, it is necessary to read and respond.

1. Why Putin mod? There is no sane information, and there are no clear answers. This is a useful candidate because he shows how Gus is easily able to call someone a mafia and refuse to vote on him instead of immediately recognizing that his assumption was untenable. To get this information, I did not even need a vote, I already received it.
2. No, the result will change, if one of them is a maniac, then the dead will not be able to shoot. Also, if one of them is a mafia and the other is not, the team’s capabilities will be reduced. And the most important thing was said above.
3 + 7. Sampaya. And if you do not make excuses that there was nothing to say for 2 days, and then fatigue, you can see that I did not refuse these suspicions, I just see that they have 0 support. Because the Mouse is also a candidate, in fact, since it protects this way. Or I was severely mistaken, and his assumption about peaceful Sampai is true.
4. You can change. I've already changed, seeing that the candidate is not relevant, because the question is inappropriate, and his wording is stupid.
5. Since I am definitely not a fan of draw, I will have to support too. In the end, the voices of the mafia in the last few minutes have not been canceled.
6. And if you change and the Mouse changes too, then there will be no more. But it is obvious that if he does not come in the next 15 minutes, the option will not make sense. I have already received everything I wanted from this offer - Gus announced the Mafia Roger, but I’m not ready to vote, and finds various reasons not to admit that he was wrong then, or that he is now fails.

Now answer you, and forget to speak up on what the peace you have given for Shiori is based.

1. Just wrote above, will not copy.

Shiori is not clear via interview. He also was a target to be killed, which gives him some extra points to be more red. Cons are - missed voting's and not big activity.
Pros - he provided an alternative opinion, which is not good for mafia (one of the analysis).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:32:33
It’s not enough to find the mafia, the mafia still needs to be kicked out.
Confidence alone is not enough. I’m also sure in SamPay, and what, did it help you somehow? No way.
And how then do our confidence differ?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:32:49
I dint want do answer u

Goose goes down to black with such approach.
If to change my vote - in Goose seems reasonable.


It’s not enough to find the mafia, the mafia still needs to be kicked out.
Confidence alone is not enough. I’m also sure in SamPay, and what, did it help you somehow? No way.
And how then do our confidence differ?

How the hell are you sure about someone who never voted?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:34:44
I dint want do answer u
Why?
Questions are uncomfortable or are you afraid of responsibility for words?

Today, Putin's vote is not counted anyway.
It's a pity. The mouse considers Gus a possible neg, so he would vote in him then.
because my answer will be followed by ten more questions and I have to explain my answer to u. I've been proving my point all day. have u seen me adabbnon the idea that mousse is dangerous?

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:38:27
Because I believe that Dryusha is peaceful, and with an unambiguous vote in a peaceful one, it is typical for the mafia to avoid it.
This is an experience.
I already wrote this, and much earlier, to read it was not necessary to want to sleep.
Others are full offer, Messor and Shiori. But Shiori has a rather peaceful interrogation and attempt, the full offer will die, and Messor is considered peaceful for safety reasons.
Who is staying?
This I repeat for the inattentive.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:40:00
I dint want do answer u

Goose goes down to black with such approach.
If to change my vote - in Goose seems reasonable.


It’s not enough to find the mafia, the mafia still needs to be kicked out.
Confidence alone is not enough. I’m also sure in SamPay, and what, did it help you somehow? No way.
And how then do our confidence differ?

How the hell are you sure about someone who never voted?

I would have told him ih I hadn't put all this above

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:41:13
because my answer will be followed by ten more questions and I have to explain my answer to u. I've been proving my point all day. have u seen me adabbnon the idea that mousse is dangerous?
That's right, if you give insufficiently detailed answers, then new questions will follow. This is the essence of the discussion, and there is nothing wrong with the discussion.
I do not deny that he can be dangerous, I am not particularly sure that he is a mafia. Maybe still a maniac?

Once again we sat until the end, without agreeing.
Well, handsome.
Let's play someone who will sit out for seconds, a profitable activity for the mafia, but we practice, and we’ll see why.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:45:04
because my answer will be followed by ten more questions and I have to explain my answer to u. I've been proving my point all day. have u seen me adabbnon the idea that mousse is dangerous?
That's right, if you give insufficiently detailed answers, then new questions will follow. This is the essence of the discussion, and there is nothing wrong with the discussion.
I do not deny that he can be dangerous, I am not particularly sure that he is a mafia. Maybe still a maniac?
he himself wrote above that the GM wouldn't give him this role

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:46:00
Because I believe that Dryusha is peaceful, and with an unambiguous vote in a peaceful one, it is typical for the mafia to avoid it.
This is an experience.
I already wrote this, and much earlier, to read it was not necessary to want to sleep.
Others are full offer, Messor and Shiori. But Shiori has a rather peaceful interrogation and attempt, the full offer will die, and Messor is considered peaceful for safety reasons.
Who is staying?
This I repeat for the inattentive.

Your auto translator sometimes hard to read, so I do not follow sometimes.

What 's meant by "who is staying"?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:46:27
I would have told him ih I hadn't put all this above
And I would say that I did not raise suspicion above if they go against a player who is suspected by everyone who had at least something to say.
The result is a dead end, is it not visible?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:46:38
lol are u upset that u might get hanged? u don't think could double the votes of someone?

Not too much. And then, it’s not my execution that saddens me, but the fact that the chances of the city will decrease even more.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:47:11
I am here, and I could well vote back to Julik if someone else voted against him. Otherwise, it’s safer for me to keep my vote on Putin-2.
To tell you the truth, I didn’t assume that someone was still intriguing here.

Oh my Gooseness, why you and Uranium started to vote for Julik who voted once—maybe was forced to vote—and then gone into nowhere? It makes more sense if you'll vote even not for Anon but for Putin. I don't understand, even if it done in spite - it still has no sense

By the way, if with two votes in me and three in Putin, we will be executed both

So... Tell me how it works. If you gather only two voice and Putin gathers three - then Putin will be executed. Or what do you mean? Killing? What?

I'm still waiting until someone finally tells me why they vote for Julik
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:50:15
Because I believe that Dryusha is peaceful, and with an unambiguous vote in a peaceful one, it is typical for the mafia to avoid it.
This is an experience.
I already wrote this, and much earlier, to read it was not necessary to want to sleep.
Others are full offer, Messor and Shiori. But Shiori has a rather peaceful interrogation and attempt, the full offer will die, and Messor is considered peaceful for safety reasons.
Who is staying?
This I repeat for the inattentive.


Your auto translator sometimes hard to read, so I do not follow sometimes.

What 's meant by "who is staying"?



It is understood that 4 players missed the vote.
Among them: a full offer, the corpse of Messor and Julik, who tried to vote.
The fourth remains (staying) - SamPai, which is not a full offer yet, although it’s close.

in view of the drag on time, we play to make a decision in silence and lose often.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:50:33
I am here, and I could well vote back to Julik if someone else voted against him. Otherwise, it’s safer for me to keep my vote on Putin-2.
To tell you the truth, I didn’t assume that someone was still intriguing here.

Oh my Gooseness, why you and Uranium started to vote for Julik who voted once—maybe was forced to vote—and then gone into nowhere? It makes more sense if you'll vote even not for Anon but for Putin. I don't understand, even if it done in spite - it still has no sense

By the way, if with two votes in me and three in Putin, we will be executed both

So... Tell me how it works. If you gather only two voice and Putin gathers three - then Putin will be executed. Or what do you mean? Killing? What?

I'm still waiting until someone finally tells me why they vote for Julik

because they're too  lazy to think

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:51:38
So, my decision - I will not change my vote. I see enough reasons of Putin being black. Even there could be intentional fake vote by Putin in Goose. In that case it's no matter who will go down.

Blame me however you want, but this changing stuff is not my cup of tea.

With that I can finally go to sleep. I'll see results tomorrow and hope they'll be satisfying.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:57:22
Well, I don't intend to make a draw, anyway.
Goose is trying to say that he has some secret information to make a conclusion about the black Mouse.
This does not mean that it really is, it can be a negus that imitates something like that.
I then dissatisfied with the vote in Putin. But a draw is worse.
And a lot of chances for the mafia to change the outcome shortly before the end I will not give.
But this is not my choice, but Caramel.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:57:28
So... Tell me how it works. If you gather only two voice and Putin gathers three - then Putin will be executed. Or what do you mean? Killing? What?

It is very likely that I or Shiori or Kara_Mel are under intimidation.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 22:59:07
Putin mod.2

counter draw (crypric command modes)

And in case of intimidation, the voice should be to the side.
I’m already telling this openly, and still some kind of discovery.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 21, 2020, 23:01:22
But this is not my choice, but Caramel.

So you're already know that I could be mistaken? It's almost strange.

And yes, there is nothing to hide - the choice is mine, I have no intention to step away even if I was wrong.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 21, 2020, 23:02:50
Well, finally I can go to bed. Good night everybody.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 21, 2020, 23:04:02
So you're already know that I could be mistaken? It's almost strange.
First of all, I monitor my mistakes.
Now if it is, then it’s not mine, this is what I’m reporting. Do you see something else?

Well, finally I can go to bed. Good night everybody.
Hope for the death of Sampai. Or Julik.
And so that can understand the role. You are either right and live with them, or you made a mistake and don’t live, most likely so.
Both will be alive most likely not alive either (but this is due to circumstances).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 22, 2020, 07:12:56
Day 3 Vote Results

(2): l10ha (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299162#msg1299162), pastor chivay (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299195#msg1299195)
(4): Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299172#msg1299172), Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299218#msg1299218), shiori (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299223#msg1299223),  Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299261#msg1299261)

No vote (5): , , , ,

The debate, heated by dozens of cups of the very special Puer-o-Noid, exploded when Putin.mod2 was pushed out by a pair of fellow citizens and brought to the edge of a marmite reservoir. A moment’s silence ensued and then, in a full, sonorous voice, the winner of the elections exclaimed: “See y'all partners!” He had scarcely uttered the last word when a heavy blow from Dmixn shook his body, but suddenly the victim grabbed Dmixn by the lap of his frock coat and in a second both were deleted from history, like, forever.

Night 4 starts. Please, send me your orders. Deadline THU 10 AM. 24 hours left.

Still alive (9):

01.
05.
07.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Not-so-much-alive (6):

02. =>
03.
04.
06.
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09.

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he himself wrote above that the GM wouldn't give him this role
I certainly wouldn't give a role due to an avatar or any other profile info. But if random made such a coincidence, I wouldn't reroll the roles due to the same reasons either. In other words, there's no correlation between roles and profiles whatsoever.
But a draw is worse.
It might be useful to reread the voting rules.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 22, 2020, 07:37:56
Putin was a cowboy, congratulations to everyone who did not want to execute Julik. His farewell phrase is stereotypical for cowboys. I think of the second one executed.

But with the second, we seem to be very lucky. Frock coat fits very well on the description of Scrooge.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 22, 2020, 08:16:18
In general, a frock coat is also Jeeves too ... But it seems that the shiori was ready to vote against any inactive. Yet there is uncertainty.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 22, 2020, 08:59:42
If you think about manners, then Scrooge was rude, and Jeeves was a model of good manners. So, judging by the clothes and manners, Scrooge was more likely executed. True, I am not particularly familiar with the primary sources, so if anyone sees a mistake, correct me.

I mean, the victim of modkill was Scrooge.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 22, 2020, 09:02:06
First of all, I'll notice, that all votes are in place, so no intimidation.

The debate, heated by dozens of cups of the very special Puer-o-Noid, exploded when Putin.mod2 pushed out by a pair of fellow citizens and brought to the edge of a marmite reservoir. A moment’s silence ensued and then, in a full, sonorous voice, the winner of the elections exclaimed: “See y'all partners!” He had scarcely uttered the last word when a heavy blow from Dmixn shook his body, but suddenly the victim grabbed Dmixn by the lap of his frock coat and in a second both were deleted from history, like, forever.

I have no idea about cowboys - do not know what they are saying, but - "dozens of cups" can be a reference to one of the Griffin the Invisible, Alice “Smol Bean” Liddel and Ebenezer Scrooge.


Too many Scrooges around - Bratuxa777 or Dmixn is Scrooge then?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 22, 2020, 09:08:28
, sorry, but I always called Bratuxa Hyde-Jekyll and nothing else. Check out my posts.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 22, 2020, 09:31:17
Puer-o-Noid
p a r a n o i d (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qanF-91aJo)
"dozens of cups" can be a reference to one of the Griffin the Invisible, Alice “Smol Bean” Liddel and Ebenezer Scrooge.
More likely that's reference to Griffin just because of puer. Not sure about Scrooge, cuz I think it was Bratuxa and he is already dead. And Alice sells moonshine, so I guess it was about Griffin

I have nothing to say about Dmixn even with that kind of hint I tried to google (oh my)
lap of his frock coat
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...and find absolutely nothing. But, maybe, idk. 
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(https://sun1-88.userapi.com/ZubwcZkOaO2EOfGhiWgeOaP1IxOp4aR4oIgusg/ZStd6mCKr7U.jpg)
about Putin—everything said above—there's no doubt that he was the winner of the elections cowboy
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(https://pics.me.me/thumb_howdy-partner-the-sun-sets-early-and-so-does-my-64201325.png)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 22, 2020, 09:32:09
Kara_Mel, sorry, but I always called Bratuxa Hyde-Jekyll and nothing else. Check out my posts.

I still like the version with "businesswise" referencing to Scrooge. A desktop has not to be a computer y'know, it can be just an ordinary working desk.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 22, 2020, 11:04:44
, Try to enter "frock coat" and Scrooge (or Jeeves) in the search field so the search will be more effective.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 22, 2020, 11:17:47
, Try to enter "frock coat" and Scrooge (or Jeeves) in the search field so the search will be more effective.

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Helped a lot yeah
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(https://sun1-97.userapi.com/8bn-8w27f-6VkycNvs1Pbd-nu110LWJ7pyAYiA/oJ66tZy73rs.jpg)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 22, 2020, 11:32:01
If Dmixn is Scrooge, what do we have?


02.  Dmixn - Scrooge
03.  Putin mod.2 - Biggles, if trust statements about cowboys
04.  Sue Sharlin - LIZ
06.  Falcon hunting - ? with a probability of being mafia.
08.  Drusha - Can Drusha be a Moreau the Artie? There was a reference to the meat bag and Moreau is The Bacon Rind. Also, there was no Intimidation/Authority today too.
09.  Bratuxa777 - Alice “Smol Bean” Liddel or Griffin the Invisible as there no more business-related roles.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 22, 2020, 14:08:26
As for Drusha, I remind you that the gentlemen who carried out the execution took an effort to plunge a chain sword into his chest. And in the end, the executed man even managed to utter words that are a reference to a meme with robots. Homo sapiens could not do this in principle. There would be inarticulate cries or sounds of a physiological nature. Drusha is a robot. Namely, Sherlock.
I think so.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 23, 2020, 07:15:37
A lot is going on rn, so wait for the news around 4pm or so.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 07:35:02
Well, that’s it, the time of night is over, which means you can speak out.

The mouse now has a positive point in the sense that it tells the role of the retired.

Mentor mode: the player cannot have that urban role (negative ones are not considered, neutral is debatable), which he attributed to any corpse. There are exceptions if several options are called based on the description, but nevertheless, such moments are considered a second time.
If a player cuts off all the roles of a city, he can automatically be recognized as a non-city. If a player cuts off all the roles of the city except one, he will automatically become non-peaceful for the one who belongs to this role (or if the other wants to show it). Similarly, if he left himself with two or three roles, and for each, the peaceful player has the best applicants (variably, since there may be a mistake in the applicant).
It is also necessary to take into account that cut-offs are not only due to naming the role of corpses, but also according to secret results or logically sound information (for example, if a player says that he sees the use of chifir at some point in the newspaper, but you know what actually Assam was applied to you, this is also a clipping role).
Thus, it is not very profitable for a non-urban player to cut off a large number of roles for himself. It is profitable for the city, but it’s bad form in my opinion to list all the roles of corpses except for their own smells like an autopsy, and if it didn’t happen by chance, the situation should not be specially created.
The mode is off.

In addition to this conditionally positive moment, I do not see any big pluses in the Mouse. If Sampai dies and he looks like a mafia, or Rogue dies and he does not look like a peaceful one, then most likely the Mouse will need to be displayed. But it is hardly worth doing it if he is right, in this case it will become more likely that some peaceful person or two began to suspect him, and the mafia joined these suspicions. Therefore, it will be necessary to consider who this peaceful and who joined, I would assume that peaceful Caramel, and Gus, Pastor, Invicta joined, but this is not accurate.
Everything obviously revolves around this same Mouse status.
Shiori plays very sluggishly, we don’t have confidence in the interpretation of the poll in order to whitewash at this moment, I hope that if he dies he will die, because otherwise there will be no particular reason for peace.
If you do not find the Goose the role from which its confidence in the Mouse can follow, the Goose is black. But in general, of course, the role may be.
The pastor also seems to have cut off the roles normally, but I’ll check it out yet (the game does not fully suggest that I should give others a chance to carry out this work).
I considered Putin a fashion as the most peaceful of the entire inactive chain, and I can’t connect the description of his death with any of the mafia, and of course it cannot be Orlando. I would put on Jeeves, he has rich partners in the description, reasoning on the basis of relations with the Cosa Nostra or some kind of little words of cowboys, I consider it strained.
Syurtuk Dmksin means a male role (except for Oliver, he would not have beat Jeeves), but I have the feeling that any of the remaining ones.
The lack of manipulation of the vote, strictly speaking, does not prove anything, there are too many who did not vote, who could have a zero or double vote. But the likelihood that Moro is dead is growing, and I still think that this is Messor, who needed modkill in order for the mafia to shoot.
But in another case (too much of the killed mafia turns out, it doesn’t happen) he has the role of Marple, because Detective Fume commented on the events of who was very close to him. I’m probably not going to argue about Dryusha Sherlock, there’s still the likelihood of a maniac, but from that I would not play for sure until I could see the absence of one more keel from him.
For Bratuha, a possible peaceful role (I think she is) will probably not be discussed anymore. We know that there is not Oliver and Orlando, of course, not a maniac or Poppins, and there was nothing like Beagle’s answer. According to safety precautions, peace can be considered without specifics.

In general, look at the descriptions of the corpses. For modkilla, the description is more modest, but it's something. Tomorrow, if the game does not end, the negatives will be cramped, somehow they will have to pull other people's roles, because in theory there will be fewer silent people to keep silent about the exact role balance in the game.
And the positions whenever possible arise from the results of actions, there should be full coordination.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 07:49:48
In general, a frock coat is also Jeeves too ... But it seems that the shiori was ready to vote against any inactive. Yet there is uncertainty.


Confident protection may be for a member of the City Council, but this post can show that the protection of SamPay is not based on this fact. Therefore, you can’t believe you, unless I see that he is peaceful (and you can see it only on the corpse) or that Julik is a mafia. If you manage to see any of this, the Mouse will need to be considered a nemafia for sure, and often peaceful.
Consider this post a will (last word).

And do not be lazy to leave your last words.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 09:31:19
My last words are not big - I'm on the lecture.

The tension between Goose and Mouse is taking place. Depending on the results it should give an understanding who has a more black role in given circumstances. Other leads have not to be ignored too. Better to make a more precise map of roles - at least with coming to a common opinion about maf/peace role is.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 23, 2020, 09:58:08
The night is over, so my words will no longer affect its results.

"The debate, heated by dozens of cups of the very special Puer-o-Noid ..."

Game Master hinted that there was a lot of paranoia in the discussions. Maybe you will recall who was accused of belonging to the mafia, of being a maniac, and a threat to humanity as a whole, without any reasonable grounds.

Thanks for attention.

And yes, I fully admit that my own distrust of the Goose, for example, may be part of the paranoia that has gripped all, too.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 10:33:26
Who was accused - Putin-Mod of course, this is a hint to the side.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 23, 2020, 10:45:42
Who was accused - Putin-Mod of course, this is a hint to the side.

He was accused for the most part of inactivity, which was quite objective.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 10:48:53
Sampai protect too objectively, right?
I feel some contradiction.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 23, 2020, 11:49:56
I feel some contradiction.

No, I had my reasons. I can’t share my own information, but I have the right to act according to it.
In turn, other players can, if desired, interpret my behavior (as well as the behavior of other players) to the best of their abilities.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 23, 2020, 15:28:19
The Courier New

Day 4



            Killing Spree. Who I Ask in These Ridiculous Headings?

This, my fellow readers, I call a slop shot! Never before had I made such lucrative bets. This night—and last day—gave us so many dead bodies we might run out of the new ones!

To the most sensational news: The Holy Goose, the one and only, was found beside some dismal passageway. Headless. A field medic drone was spotted around the time and place of the murder; several packs of sedatives were found later thereabouts. Some believe that they had not died but just took some rest before revive again and continue their triumphant march across and beyond the Earth. Let us pray, brothers, sisters, and others!

A somewhat less striking, but still impressive report was about one fellow identified as SamPie found dead in his bedroom. The lodging was vandalized, the floor was covered with feathers, pieces of cheap plastic katanas, and, to much surprise, a little book full of Buddhist poetry (with all the verses about samsara marked). And was it all his hair?... At least he had not any hair, or any skin on his head, to be precise. I am not sure why I was asked to do it, but here I go: F

The last case made me actually laugh, sorry; I reckon that ridiculous turn of events cost me some mental stability. This time it was Julik1221. While being out on duty (which is surprising), she called 112 with acute poisoning. But, even though the emergency didn't bother to arrive, somehow the situation turned out to be okay—that is until an ice crusher didn't randomly fall from the top shelf and crush her firm skull. This is, undoubtedly, a bitter loss for all of us. (Still funny, I'm deeply sorry).

            — Fergus Fume



            Desolation Through Solitude

My doors are sealed and boarded up, my desktop has gone through a full transformation to a stronghold; the deficit of spare couch cushions is next on my survival list. I am not the only one; perhaps for the first time in my existence, I decided to follow an example—the example of few respectable townsmen that still remain breathing. No more hearty soirees, no more business appointments; every man on himself. It is deathmatch, ladies and gentlemen, it is Battle Royale. Mayhap such extravagant circular motions and futile chases look more explicable. I still would, rather, counsel follow us and stay home . . . Stay safe.

Needless to say, such a strategy to endure our crisis has its repercussions. The economy crashes—or, dare I say, transforms to something both unseen and worrisome. The Queen's Corporation keeps suffering through mangling financial losses and holds its last defense line, while the shadow sector soars. Smuggling and propagation of illicit substances and illegal services of all kinds are thriving; worse than that, even death of a notorious feathery cult leader is not an obstacle for an ever-growing influence of the you-know-which nightclub. However, even this overcast has a silver lining: a number of hacks seem to drop considerably.

The current situation is delicate. As every participant of our death waltz, scarred, tired, and insecure, yet stands the ground, it is difficult to calculate our future—if we have any—but I see it clearly: everything might be decided much sooner than one might think.


            — George E. G. Watt



            Our dearest Friends,

Our yesterday's call was heard, although in unexpected ways. Our usual volume of correspondence is still weak; however, we received several obscure and intriguing messages. We're leaving them with no context, so it is only for you to ruminate on their meaning—or its absence. You are very attentive and insightful folks, so I can count on you!

            — Cordially,
              Chief Editor




You know, today I'm the happiest person in this darn world! And if someone decides to end my happiness—well, probably it was the one you should not eat! You know, guys, caries is expensive to cure nowadays! And another advice: please, stay away from fevers! I hope I won't die tonight, but if so, you should arrange a parade somewhere in the woods in my honor! Take care of my— [here our deciphering skills let us down]
            — Wait, who was that?




For all your sins thou shall be punished.



My saint saaaaaaaint are you HEAR ME??? SAINT ghost DIDNt deal with my
D°E°A°T°H
aLL of you EVERY1 is !!!guilty!!! Of this situation. ItS my pReSent for          ....ŷ̵̮͚̣̽͐̕o̸͚̦̲̒͒̚û̸͖͘. You will BE the first to Кпоw Σ( Д ) ﻌﻌﻌﻌ⊙ ⊙
‌I know, MafIa is still ALIVE. You m+us+t avenge me
Kill kill KILL kiLl kiLL
kilL KIL killed Kill kilLkillkillkillkilljilljilkjdilkilliill
killKIllLLLLllLl KilL




Day 4 has started. Deadline SAT, 7 PM. 48 hours left.


Still alive (6):

01.
07.
12.
13.
14.
15.

Pretty much dead?? (9):

02. =>
03.
04.
05.
06.
08.
09.
10.
11.


PS: InVictA will follow Julik1221 to the better place (with GM's help) at the dawn if he stays inactive that day.

PPS: The only informative part of the correspondence (besides the editor's note, of course) is LIZ's interviews. All the rest is more or less empty messages from random people, including the dead. It's made more for entertainment and bloating the paper's volume, any personal in-game data is censored.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 23, 2020, 15:32:26
goose knew the truth from the sstart. those who saw the void in my words were wrong. I got what I wanted  >:D >:D >:D
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 23, 2020, 15:35:56
—whispered the Goose, flying to Heavens.....


.....just to wait for InVictA who will follow the Goose to the better place at the dawn if he stays inactive that day.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 15:53:03
A field medic drone was spotted around the time and place of the murder
So Goose was protected, but mafia shot him with a headshot? Or he was a Sherlock Watson himself. If there was a headshot - a hint on a killer must be somewhere.
Цитировать
Let us pray, brothers, sisters, and others!
I don't like others here, but it's too noticeable. Should be something more sophisticated.

dismal passageway
This should be a hint to the role, but I see nothing yet. Griffin the Invisible if believe that he was working on the streets.



SamPie was killed by a maniac.
Цитировать
little book full of Buddhist poetry
should lead somewhere...



Julik1221 was kicked-out by GM.



Цитировать
Smuggling and propagation of illicit substances and illegal services of all kinds are thriving;
So Griffin the Invisible is alive then or was alive as it seems killing is the last action.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 23, 2020, 15:56:55
My dear. Dear Goose. Good damn what they did to you... They're monsters. This was not supposed to happen. No. I don't believe. Damn. Damn. You'll always be in my heart, I promise.

Now I have a bunch of suspicions: starting from Mouse's revenge cuz Goose voted for his hanging and ending with enmity between Cara and Goose from the start of this damn game. Damn. Damn.
Maniac is still alive. GGWP SamPie, he noticed you instead. Griffin is alive too, probably Julik was cured but later was modkilled from game.


The Queen's Corporation is suffering through mangling financial losses while the shadow sector soars. Smuggling and propagation of illicit substances and illegal services of all kinds are thriving;
Scrooge was dead as I thought. Financial losses. Mouse, you still reconsider your view on Bratuxa - Jekyl is alive and I'll be not much surprise if it is you.

The debate, heated by dozens of cups of the very special Puer-o-Noid, exploded when Putin.mod2 was pushed out by a pair of fellow citizens
And that means that Putin was peaceful. Perfectly. Smart move. Yeah.

number of hacks seem to drop considerably.
Either the Goose was Robin or Robin is dead and Orlando with his Mimicry which including block too. So among hackers only Jekyl is alive.

well, probably it was the one you should not eat! You know, guys, caries is expensive to cure nowadays!
Nice comparision, considering the Goose's death. Now I have even more suspicion suspicions for Kara_mel

For all your sins thou shall be punished.
Have no idea, maybe Goose's last words

My saint saaaaaaaint are you HEAR ME??? SAINT ghost DIDNt deal with my
D°E°A°T°H
aLL of you EVERY1 is !!!guilty!!! Of this situation. ItS my pReSent for          ....ŷ̵̮͚̣̽͐̕o̸͚̦̲̒͒̚û̸͖͘. You will BE the first to Кпоw Σ( Д ) ﻌﻌﻌﻌ⊙ ⊙
‌I know, MafIa is still ALIVE. You m+us+t avenge me
Kill kill KILL kiLl kiLL
kilL KIL killed Kill kilLkillkillkillkilljilljilkjdilkilliill
killKIllLLLLllLl KilL
It developed my anxiety, thanks
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 16:01:21
Also, I'm a little bit surprised, that mafia killed Goose. There was a conflict between him and Mouse. Now I see that it could be:
1. Way of protecting Mouse;
2. Way of showing Mouse as a black intentionally.

Both ways are not nice, though. Smart-play.

well, probably it was the one you should not eat! You know, guys, caries is expensive to cure nowadays!
Nice comparision, considering the Goose's death. Now I have even more suspicion suspicions for Kara_mel

Don't use after the paper wordings as your evidence. First of all, it's too straightforward, secondly, it's not connected with articles about killings.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 23, 2020, 16:06:06
Some believe that they had not died but just took some rest before revive and continue their triumphant march across and beyond the Earth. Let us pray, brothers, sisters, and others!
The Holy Goose, the one and only

They, their and others. Considering that at the crime scene was only Goose. This may mean that SamPie or Julik was medbots, but really really doubtful. The only thing that mentioned with "They" is Orlando. Godly unidentifiable way. Not sure cuz of
I don't like others here, but it's too noticeable. Should be something more sophisticated.

But hints became more clearly, so it means that
everything might be decided much sooner than one might think
The end is soon?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 16:12:16
even more

Now that's what's interesting to here - spit out all your suspicions towards me as you have never named any before, go ahead.


I'll use one interesting way of playing. Justice magic - Summon GM!

Where does the meaningful part of the newspaper starts and where it ends?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 23, 2020, 16:21:16
even more

Now that's what's interesting to here - spit out all your suspicions towards me as you have never named any before, go ahead.


I said once:

ending with enmity between Cara and Goose from the start of this game

And when I saw this text about sweet killer, which probably analogy to your nickname, I thought so. You can explain that it is not true and I'll believe you, but you did not comment this moment, what should I tell you? That Goose's death was expectedly by the one who suspect him?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 16:22:28
here
Damn autocorrection - hear, not here!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 23, 2020, 16:26:12
I'll use one interesting way of playing. Justice magic - Summon GM!

Where does the meaningful part of the newspaper starts and where it ends?

Eh? You should use this feature probably from the beginning of the game then. I think that all newspaper is neccesary. if you don't think so - you can actually tell me why and
You can explain that it is not true
The only thing I'm not sure about is importance of the last note
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 23, 2020, 16:26:31
The end is soon?
Where does the meaningful part of the newspaper starts and where it ends?
Oh, yes, I should've clarified that point right in the newspaper.
The only informative part of the correspondence (besides the editor's note, of course) is LIZ's interviews. All the rest is more or less empty messages from random people, including the dead. It's made more for entertainment and bloating the paper's volume, any personal in-game data is censored.
I'll put it in the post now.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 16:31:17
And when I saw this text about sweet killer, which probably analogy to your nickname, I thought so. You can explain that it is not true and I'll believe you, but you did not comment this moment, what should I tell you? That Goose's death was expectedly by the one who suspect him?

I kinda wrote this

Also, I'm a little bit surprised, that mafia killed Goose. There was a conflict between him and Mouse. Now I see that it could be:
1. Way of protecting Mouse;
2. Way of showing Mouse as a black intentionally.

Both ways are not nice, though. Smart-play.

Yes, I'm surprised that Goose was a target to kill as I thought that this day would be about finding out who is Goose/Mouse, but now only one option left all of us are suspects and it's not that simple.

It could be either switching attention from Mouse or making someone else a target. Though I see no reason to switch attention from Mouse if he is peaceful, though. But mafia could use the same model of thinking and killing Goose via that reason. It's complicated right now.

Eh? You should use this feature probably from the beginning of the game then. I think that all newspaper is neccesary. if you don't think so - you can actually tell me why and

Don't you think that such magic works only in the game topic? PM is also a fine place to carry out the summoning ritual.   :abyss:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 16:56:36
So we have 6 players with only 5 votes as InVictA is inactive. I doubt that we have to take him into account as it's going to be the last modkill of this season anyway. Also, he is inactive since 17th of April, so he is not maniac or mafia (if there more than 1 mafia - not Hyde).

Out of all us, there are at least 1 mafia; + Todd. Have no idea about Orlando. So of the town, there are maximum 3 players out of 5 of us.

01.  pastor chivay
07.  shiori
13.  Kara_Mel
14.  Anony-mouse
15.  Uranium235

I have some troubles with seeing the full picture as I said - too different possibilities leading to many players. But this time let's have discussion starting from today.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 23, 2020, 18:04:28
I must admit that I understand this newspaper quite poorly.

The goose was killed by a mafia headshot, it would be untrue to say that he was headless from the very beginning. Okay, you can say something disgusting about my death too. At the same time, I not only do not understand where the clue about the murder is here, but I also do not understand what is a hint of the role. Can a medical bot say that Goose was Orlando using the ability of a medic? Could a call to pray be the simplest hint on a pastor? Or the hint is this phrase - "Some believe that they had not died but just took some rest before revive and continue their triumphant march across and beyond the Earth..." there are a great many legends about the heroes of antiquity, who supposedly did not die, but sleep in a magical sleep, so that one day, when their homeland is in danger, wake up and come to the rescue - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B4_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9

Well ... SamPie is dead. I seem to understand who he was (well, at least something). Feathers, fragments of cheap katanas, a book with Buddhist poetry. Hippie. Counterculture. Sleep well, Alice. Hint, if I understand correctly - F. Oh, well, thank you for not V. While there are no special ideas about the cute hairdresser, but I have to think - and I hope that not only me.

I still think about Julik's death.
It would seem simpler to say that a secret service agent can fulfill a duty, has a strong skull - a likely cyborg, and a social worker can tilt a machine for breaking ice onto his own head. But something tells me that something is wrong here. We need to think about other options.

Over the rest of the newspaper, I have not even begun to puzzle over.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 23, 2020, 18:20:31
Can a medical bot say that Goose was Orlando using the ability of a medic?
It seems to me that someone tried to cure Goose, but was blocked and all that he supposed to do is watch Goose's death or something

"Some believe that they had not died but just took some rest before revive and continue their triumphant march across and beyond the Earth..." there are a great many legends about the heroes of antiquity, who supposedly did not die, but sleep in a magical sleep, so that one day, when their homeland is in danger, wake up and come to the rescue - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B4_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9
So... what? Are you trying to say that Goose is alive or something? Eh?

Feathers, fragments of cheap katanas, a book with Buddhist poetry. Hippie. Counterculture. Sleep well, Alice. Hint, if I understand correctly - F. Oh, well, thank you for not V.
What is the connection between feathers, katanas and book and F (https://panorama.pub/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/respekt.jpg)? I don't get this hint
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 23, 2020, 18:48:57
So... what? Are you trying to say that Goose is alive or something? Eh?

No, it would be a very bold step to assert that the goose is alive. I mean, if the clue is the phrase that I pointed out (and not the call to prayer, dear pastor), then we should probably look for hints of some sleeping heroes in profiles, avatars, nicknames (and so further) those who were alive at the beginning of the night.

What is the connection between feathers, katanas and book and F? I don't get this hint


There is no such connection.

I said that feathers, Japanese plastic katanas and Buddhist poetry point to hippies. Hippies loved to wear feathers in their long hair. And among them various oriental teachings were very popular. From here - plastic katanas and Buddhist poetry. That is, the hippie is a counterculture, and in our roles, the counterculture is Alice. So, SamPie = Alice. You can offer your interpretation of why the room was all this junk.

And here is a hint pointing to a maniac - F. For example, our dear Kara_Mel on her avatar has the character of the game God Eater Burst - Sakuya. And Sakuya belongs to Fenrir (Far East Branch). Here's a variant with "F". But I suspect that this may not be the only option with "F".
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 23, 2020, 18:49:53
Alright guys, I see that my newspapers, especially the last one, are quite hard to grasp. It's quite important at this stage if not to read all the info clearly, then at least be somewhat sure what it is about. I consider it my fault—I haven't hosted games like this for a long time and I wrote the last paper under some pressure so that I myself am not content with it.
So what can I do is:
(a) give some tips, where to look to extract data;
(b) alter the paper itself a bit (highlight this, rephrase that, etc.) and give it another go.
The former option is softer; the latter, stronger. I'd choose the first one, but I'm not sure. It's not that many of you, so it wouldn't take long for each of you to PM me your thoughts: should I give you some help, and if yes, which way is better. Can we do that?
Sorry for the mess, but I think it's better to deal with such issues fast and openly than to wait until the game is spoiled.

(Actually, you, collectively, had a lot of good guesses throughout the game)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 19:03:29
Knowing the role of the murdered maniac is really necessary not to set it on fire, but to mow down the murdered role, knowing that there is no one to object among the living.
But I doubt that the Mouse knew or suspected this.
If the truth is such evidence, then there is a fairly well-known meme:
"Press F to pay respects", then search for yourself.

Mentor mod: good evidence can be pulled on anyone if you wish. For example, Guy Fawkes mask is also an Internet meme.
At the same time, it is a symbol of fluorine or a school mark, there is a film of the same name with Liz Bennet (there can’t be a hint of the role of such a complex scheme, it’s just no coincidence), and the English teacher appears there ... in a word, it’s huge for fantasy.

So, F may not be a hint, but a way of describing, given the meaning of a meme, while any samsara is just a clue.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 23, 2020, 19:11:40
Well, I will be glad to any simplification of the newspaper, but I would prefer to provide the choice of a specific option to other players.
I was already almost sure that I was mistaken in something, but I would not even dare to guess how much exactly.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:02:57
It’s not necessarily the current corpses, but I’ll not say that I’m only old.

the example of most respectable townsmen that still remain breathing
is it a reference to some living role, to which? Feeling purely - Beagle, but maybe I just want someone to be afraid to shoot. Moro can also be pulled here, although for me he is not respected, experiments do not understand.

No more hearty soirees
Parties this to Jeeves; I think he's dead.

no more business appointments
And this is also to Jeeves, obviously, I'm missing something, it’s hardly two hints of the same thing

The Queen's Corporation is suffering through mangling financial losses
Scrooge is clearly dead

Smuggling and propagation of illicit substances and illegal services
But the griffin seems alive.

even death of a notorious feathery cult leader is not an obstacle for an ever-growing influence of the you-know-which nightclub
Alice’s nightclub works despite her death leader. That is, death is really probable here tonight, although I clearly lack descriptions for all the corpses, maybe the current Watt just does not describe, leaving for Fume.

However, even this overcast has a silver lining: a number of hacks seem to drop significantly
I would say that Hyde and Robin died.

The current situation is delicate
I would say that 3 factions are alive (city, mafia, mans), if not all 4.
everything might be decided much sooner than one might think
But because of the Invicta modkill, some fraction may end very quickly.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:18:48
To the most sensational news: The Holy Goose, the one and only, was found beside some dismal passageway. Headless. A field medic drone was spotted around the time and place of the murder. Some believe that they had not died but just took some rest before revive and continue their triumphant march across and beyond the Earth. Let us pray, brothers, sisters, and others!
Modkill?
A somewhat less striking, but still impressive report was about one fellow identified as SamPie found dead in his bedroom. The lodging was vandalized, the floor was covered with feathers, pieces of cheap plastic katanas, a little book full of Buddhist poetry (with all the verses about samsara marked) and... was it his hair? At least he had not any hair, or any skin on his head, to be precise. I am not sure why I was asked to do it, but here I go: F
The second maniac's kill. And a hint is feathers & plastic? Or poetry? Role of the victim is Chris because of F meme for pay respect?
The last case made me actually laugh, sorry; I reckon the dramatic turn of events cost me some mental stability. This time it was Julik1221. While being out on duty (which is surprising), she called 112 with acute poisoning. But, even though the emergency didn't bother to arrive, somehow the situation turned out to be okay—that is until an ice crusher from the top shelf didn't crush her firm skull. This is a bitter loss for all of us. (Still funny, I'm deeply sorry).
Another Mary's clean kill.

Desolation Through Solitude...
Ok, I can see that Queen gang had some troubles and the balance is fragile.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:23:33
But on the account of the roles of those killed today, I now have very weak ideas.
the one and only, was found beside some dismal passageway. Headless.

found dead in his bedroom

While being out on duty (which is surprising)
These are key phrases, probably (Sampai may have something further), but for some reason now I have little idea what they mean.
Goose and Julik had some protection / treatment, but that can mean quite a lot of things.

Goose - killed by the mafia, decapitation can be pulled as Moro’s method because of his weapons, but then we are in a very bad position due to voice manipulation, so I don’t like the option. Poppins is still more logical, plus she would have struck the defense, to which there is a hint.

Sampai has a scalp, obvious Todd. The question that he forgot from the probable victim of modkill is already different. Has Alice really worked for Julik (he is listed above him)? It's too optimistic to play from this, so no. It turns out that he specially killed the silent man.

The last victim, it seems, was poisoned by tea, but death as a result of external circumstances is modkill, moreover, one was promised to us, and not for the already dead Sampai to do it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:24:26
Modkill?


Another Mary's clean kill.

The first one just can't be modkill. Gus was very active and julik wasn't. It makes no sense to get rid of Goose with modkill then
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:25:37
And here is a hint pointing to a maniac - F. For example, our dear Kara_Mel on her avatar has the character of the game God Eater Burst - Sakuya. And Sakuya belongs to Fenrir (Far East Branch). Here's a variant with "F". But I suspect that this may not be the only option with "F".
All information you said about the character is correct. You even correctly said, that God Eater Burst - it's exactly where I saw Sakuya (however she mentioned in several later games/anime). Cannot say anything except that I'm not maniac - but it would be a bad explanation, right?

(a) give some tips, where to look to extract data;
(b) alter the paper itself a bit (highlight this, rephrase that, etc.) and give it another go.

If you're offering this, that situation is bad. I think option (a) will give more ideas, compared to (b), which can be a little misleading while comparing 2 newspapers.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:26:31
Role of the victim is Chris because of F meme for pay respect?
Yes, I like that, F a hint at the role, then Robin fits well.
However, I only found out that the text below could be about fresh killings, too, not to say that it gives a lot.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:27:13
Hard to say about other roles of victims. The firm skull of Julik — maybe for Jeeves with his in-brain Cybernet implant?

And the Goose looks like a divine person. He can be Orlando if recall the plot of the book.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:27:58
Alright, there's a couple of things that might help you (I hope).

1. I'm trying to be consistent through all the issues, so you can find out the patterns that will cut off some extra theories. (Major ones I described below.) Let's say I didn't clearly describe a single protection: you never know whether the victim healed themself or it was someone's help. The content can also be interpreted as one story throughout the days—the game writes its own plot, so to speak. It makes sense for non-homicidal columns especially.

2. I think most pieces of data I implied was cracked by some of you at one point of the game. That's why I don't have the impression that it's that hard. It's just that I didn't notice anyone accumulating something to construct one bigger picture, even in private dialogues when some of you share your ideas with me.

3. The crime scenes are all kinda logical, I think... What can be a hint to the murderer? First—something that was noticed, spotted, or found (keywords for you) at the crime scene. Something that the murderer could bring with them, use there or act. Something that looks odd in such a place. It can't be something about the victim's personality or author's common thoughts. Then, there's always one single hint, one thing to mention (although it can be described in rather wordy expressions). Of course, the way of killing usually directly describes the role of the murderer. (Still, there can be obvious oddities, and it's a bit trickier if the murderer is GM.) What can describe the victim's role?—Everything that is about the victim (duh): its personality, appearance, home, or how the author reacts to their death. What else might be found?—Some funky details of the events, i.e. protections, redirections, many visitors, etc. Just imagine how those weird situations could look in real life and try to describe the events (become a GM for a second!). There come some strange details that are not obviously about the murderer or their victim.

4. George and Editor have their own business to describe; they have one basic idea for each paragraph with maybe too much rambling and too little substance (few details are possible), but these ideas are supposed to be quite common in nature (overall game balance, players' activity, some funny coincidences, etc.). I guess I work with these parts worse, to be honest, so they might be kind of unintentionally misleading, even though I'm trying to avoid it.
I guess I'll make a few micro-changes in the last newspaper, though (15 mins incoming); please, re-read it then.

So, uh... let's summarize. Search for the patterns; look at it as a story that has to follow (kinda) common logical rules; consider the info I gave to you now; try to sum up what you already have. Is that enough?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:29:30
The first one just can't be modkill. Gus was very active and julik wasn't. It makes no sense to get rid of Goose with modkill then
The man shows that he is not aware of the victim of the mafia. So it’s more correct in this connection to think specifically said so or the truth does not know.
In such cases, my conclusions are always one-sided (I consider blackness any ignorance), but I must tell you about a more popular model.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:41:06
The Courier New, Day 4, v 1.0.5 released:
– minor bug fixes
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:41:10
From the text above it became clear that F is correctly understood. Well, what did the experienced killer Poppins kill. And there seems to be no evidence. Perhaps the further description really concerns Orlando, I am not strong at this. But you still need to figure out what to do with the metbot. With Goose-Orlando, it would probably be possible to treat not yourself, but a friend like Pastor, but you cannot play on such theories. But in this vein, I do not see the hint, so there must be some insidious explanation.

several packs of sedatives were found later thereabouts
Yeah, that's easier, after all, the evidence is in place.
But it is hardly simple.

eathers, pieces of cheap plastic katanas
role
to much surprise, a little book full of Buddhist poetry (with all the verses about samsara marked)
hint



Everything seems to be, at first glance there are no changes (but I copied the old version, of course, as soon as the thought for editing arose, then I will check again).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 20:58:34
01.  pastor chivay  Falcon hunting ->  Drusha -> Anony-mouse
Voted against Anony-mouse at the last voting, always supported Goose.

A field medic drone was spotted around the time and place of the murder; several packs of sedatives were found later thereabouts

This new quote gives me only one association - the religion is opium for people (told by O. Bender in 12 Chairs to Father Fedor). Father -> Pastor; Opium -> can be a sedative.

Then all this can give an idea, that Anony-mouse is not mafia and that's why Pastor voted against him.


07.  shiori  No vote ->  Drusha ->  Putin mod.2
Looking at all inactive death I can say, that maniac is probably very experienced, otherwise, he would go for active players. Seeing such game in lazy style gives me vibes of a maniac. Shiori or Uranium, I doubt that someone else.


13.  Kara_Mel  l10ha ->  Drusha ->  Putin mod.2
I do not like to write about myself, but cannot help but notice the important fact. Both Drusha & Putin mod.2 were lynched by my initiative.


14.  Anony-mouse  None ->  Drusha ->  Putin mod.2
If mafia - now it's hard to tell for sure. Goose death does not give good info, but by that, he lost the biggest opposer. Could be anything.


15.  Uranium235

Falcon hunting -> SamPie ->  Putin mod.2

The one thing I don't like - vote against SamPie, almost as if he knew Drusha's role. Very disliked my voting for Putin, but at the end, it's the very same results (as I told - no matter the order, all of it will lead to the same end).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 23, 2020, 21:08:42
The first one just can't be modkill. Gus was very active and julik wasn't. It makes no sense to get rid of Goose with modkill then
Yes, my fault.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 21:11:28
Now Mouse is a maniac because of the confident naming of the role of SamPai, the idea of ​​F in the new newspaper’s editorial staff no longer looks attractive to me, so we can assume that he is right.
But I would not say that another way to know his peaceful role does not exist yesterday. Who will find - tell me, it’s better not I say this.
And Shiori the mafia, I never liked the ignorance of where whose murder, except when it is really hidden and incomprehensible - but then the reaction is usually appropriate, without confidence. Yes, and with such a gross logical error, as a modkill for an asset and a murder by the mafia for a spun.

But do not think that I have finished the conclusions. I’ve been living too long, and this is the first sign that someone is using me, and just the remaining Caramel and Pastor were not seriously suspected.

The one thing I don't like - vote against SamPie, almost as if he knew Drusha's role.
And I'm still waiting for an answer to yesterday. Surprisingly, there was a day to read, but why explain why you are not considering the chronology, really. I do not cry as long as the thought in your mind is considered unverified, this can only mean reluctance to study the comment.
I did not know the role of Dryusha, and now I do not know.
But I know how voting on a city drain usually looks.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 21:21:17
And I'm still waiting for an answer to yesterday. Surprisingly, there was a day to read, but why explain why you are not considering the chronology, really.
Which question I did not answer - please repeat and I'll do it right now.


Chronology says, that you wanted me to change my vote, not me. I was confident about my reasoning and would do it again.

Just a little something to support my opinion:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%83%D0%BC_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0

And from the first link - there is a link to the second.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 21:31:22
Which question I did not answer - please repeat and I'll do it right now.

I asked for comment, why didn’t you take into account that my vote was earlier than the statement of um about the chain of modkills when you put forward some complaints about the purpose of the vote?
I hope you don’t have to look for this quote, and you remember it yourself.

The second question was related to the first, what is your voice better if, after reading the announcement, you still chose a likely victim.
There seemed to be something else, but for now it was.


I would consider evidence only on the English wiki. There are hardly any exceptions to this plan.
(I could be wrong).

And yet, you have not commented on the theory that Gus could know something about the Mouse from the result of the night, for example, to be a blocker who blocked him on the third night, and we did not get the shot.
Do this now. Simple answer format - will you give at least 30% to the fact that such or similar turn could be?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 21:44:38
And I also spoke about the importance of the order of killing inactives - if there is a maniac among them, you can avoid killing, for example.
In the vote against Dryusha, 1 vote was not enough, while I clearly asked to throw aside in this case the voice to the side in order to legally report this result.
The one who read me the least carefully out of all 6 voters is obviously Putin.
So, he was either intimidated by Moreau, or was resting in the Griffin block (an option that would deprive Orlando of his voice to throw him out as unlikely). In both cases, he is less likely to negate than any other silent person, and this could be noticed if you study voting and accents more carefully yourself, if the language barrier does not allow you to see hints of an explanation from me.
But it’s better not to read at all, however, to vote a couple of hours before the limit and not to think about it (no).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 21:47:19
I asked for comment, why didn’t you take into account that my vote was earlier than the statement of um about the chain of modkills when you put forward some complaints about the purpose of the vote?

There is one reason, that's why I do not take into account changed votes - they are not finals and can be deceiving. If it was a final - perhaps I could have changed my, but eventually, you said, that you can lynch Putin, but you don't like it. So you had an alternative. You wasn't rock-solid and in the end, your pre-vote is nothing.



The second question was related to the first, what is your voice better if, after reading the announcement, you still chose a likely victim.
There seemed to be something else, but for now it was.

I'm having troubles with auto-English. Announcement? The newspaper? What do you mean?

I would consider evidence only on the English wiki. There are hardly any exceptions to this plan.
(I could be wrong).

There is non-direct lead to the 12 Chair in English talk section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AOpium_of_the_people
Other things can be found separately on English following the same logic.

And yet, you have not commented on the theory that Gus could know something about the Mouse from the result of the night, for example, to be a blocker who blocked him on the third night, and we did not get the shot.
Do this now. Simple answer format - will you give at least 30% to the fact that such or similar turn could be?
It could be, but now all we can do - is guess. Why was Goose killed, but not e.g. Pastor?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 21:51:44
What do you mean?
Цитировать
1 kill 1 player each day and night
- GM anonce

It could be, but now all we can do - is guess. Why was Goose killed, but not e.g. Pastor?
And it’s Pasteur who is me and not me, or you or Shiori, do you consider a more likely murder?

I have such an explanation, based on the fact that Gus Orlando - they shot him down earlier, at 1 or 3 nights, and the mafia believed that he was a maniac, and so they finished off with evidence and ignoring the defense. Perhaps naive fools thought that Beagle was no longer there, which means that such a killing of losses will not bring, and it is necessary to kill the maniac.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 21:56:59
What do you mean?
Цитировать
1 kill 1 player each day and night
- GM anonce

I have proposed a new voting scheme to avoid stalemate for the town, which is deadly btw. I guess I can say ('cause it's not a role related), that I have asked GM in PM to eliminate all inactive players in one go (because it's just impossible to play against silence without any info)  before an announcement, so I was little more informed about the procedure he has chosen. Of course, it would be understandable, that Putin will be killed last, so if he is mafia - he gaining more valuable time and his voting only confirmed it in my eyes.


And it’s Pasteur who is me and not me, or you or Shiori, do you consider a more likely murder?

If Mouse is black - Pastor is more dangerous, than Goose. Goose lack reasoning and could be easily painted as black. Choosing between Mouse and Goose I would highly likely vote Goose out at the next voting. So from that perspective Pastor is more dangerous.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:10:18
he gaining more valuable time and his voting only confirmed it in my eyes.
What, what, what did it confirm? What negative role do you have in him?
I asked this recently, and there was no answer.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:11:30
I've thought, that Pastor will say something to me, but it seems he left.

Uranium, do you have anything you would like to discuss with me now? If no - I'll be off to sleep.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:12:12
You try to talk in full-role about keels like in a classic.
These are different types of mafia, in the current it is more important to get rid of roles, and only then, secondly, from players.

This does not mean that the logic of the classics is not applied at all. But its influence should not exceed the influence of hazard factors for the mafia of some roles over others.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:12:22
, Hmm ... I find only one way of interpreting interview questions in which Shiori could be a maniac - if the second question is considered as "do you have protection?" True, I must say that I do not recall the use of such a variant of the question. Speaking simply, very, very simply, the task of the reporter is to ask the question "are you not a city dweller?" in three different ways. And questions about the availability of protection do not help too much in this task.
But for me, in any case, the scene of a conversation between Oliver Twist and the constable seems much more natural than participation in a similar scene by Sweeney Todd. I can, of course, be mistaken.

By the way, I should note that your link to a quote with opium casts more suspicion on Julik1221 than on Pastor - "Julie, or the New Heloise" by Jean-Jacques Rousseau and then "Juliette" by Marquis de Sade. The funniest thing is that in my own coordinate system, Julik cannot be Poppins, and it drives me a little crazy. Coincidence, damn coincidence.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:14:14
I've thought, that Pastor will say something to me, but it seems he left.

Uranium, do you have anything you would like to discuss with me now? If no - I'll be off to sleep.
Yes, you need to comment on everything that I write specifically for you. For example, your assessment of the lack of voice against Dryusha or the role of Putin-mod.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:14:47
he gaining more valuable time and his voting only confirmed it in my eyes.
What, what, what did it confirm? What negative role do you have in him?
I asked this recently, and there was no answer.

Do I have now? After the voting? None, as it's not confirmed to me by the results.

Or I had when I was voting? He played like a typical mafia I saw many times - unreasonable voting with such "explanations".


You try to talk in full-role about keels like in a classic.
These are different types of mafia, in the current it is more important to get rid of roles, and only then, secondly, from players.

This does not mean that the logic of the classics is not applied at all. But its influence should not exceed the influence of hazard factors for the mafia of some roles over others.

You see, my biggest experience IS a classic, so it is first game for me with such rules. I'm trying the best I can, though


I've thought, that Pastor will say something to me, but it seems he left.

Uranium, do you have anything you would like to discuss with me now? If no - I'll be off to sleep.
Yes, you need to comment on everything that I write specifically for you. For example, your assessment of the lack of voice against Dryusha or the role of Putin-mod.

There are 2 ways - intimidation on any player or Putin vote was not counted as it was done yesterday. Support the majority is not good reason.



Perhaps you bad in reading - here were my assessments
If Dmixn is Scrooge, what do we have?


02.  Dmixn - Scrooge
03.  Putin mod.2 - Biggles, if trust statements about cowboys
04.  Sue Sharlin - LIZ
06.  Falcon hunting - ? with a probability of being mafia.
08.  Drusha - Can Drusha be a Moreau the Artie? There was a reference to the meat bag and Moreau is The Bacon Rind. Also, there was no Intimidation/Authority today too.
09.  Bratuxa777 - Alice “Smol Bean” Liddel or Griffin the Invisible as there no more business-related roles.




Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:27:26
, Hmm ... I find only one way of interpreting interview questions in which Shiori could be a maniac - if the second question is considered as "do you have protection?" True, I must say that I do not recall the use of such a variant of the question. Speaking simply, very, very simply, the task of the reporter is to ask the question "are you not a city dweller?" in three different ways. And questions about the availability of protection do not help too much in this task.
But for me, in any case, the scene of a conversation between Oliver Twist and the constable seems much more natural than participation in a similar scene by Sweeney Todd. I can, of course, be mistaken.

By the way, I should note that your link to a quote with opium casts more suspicion on Julik1221 than on Pastor - "Julie, or the New Heloise" by Jean-Jacques Rousseau and then "Juliette" by Marquis de Sade. The funniest thing is that in my own coordinate system, Julik cannot be Poppins, and it drives me a little crazy. Coincidence, damn coincidence.
I said several times during the first night - there are things that can be done now. That is, to come up with questions for the journalist, because he can easily be a beginner who does not imagine what to ask and why.
Who responded? That's right, no one, and Shiori, too, although he is hardly bound by the promise to let you play such moments yourself.
Actually, the situation turned out to be even worse than I expected, because Sue did not give her version of the questions, and as a result, the formulations slipped behind the surroundings.

But something I thought so, and you can’t call Shiori Poppins right away, since the answer is no, it does not fit either the question about weapons or the question about protection.

The first one is not particularly interpreted differently, and I think the Poppins is alive with the mafia.
You can still pull Moro (although I still see him in Messor, this may be a mistake. Yes, it is mentioned about the Queen’s hand as personal, that is, a hint at the role, but Moro is already my speculation and not a fact).

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:29:45
If Mouse is black - Pastor is more dangerous, than Goose. Goose lack reasoning and could be easily painted as black. Choosing between Mouse and Goose I would highly likely vote Goose out at the next voting. So from that perspective Pastor is more dangerous.

I don't get anything. If you say that probably Mouse is black, why should I be more dangerous than mafia? - Considering the fact that you had no suspicions about me yesterday. Don't you forget about your previous suspicios about Mouse's behavior? Yesterday you clearly said that you would see how everything will go and maybe support someone's point of view, but you didn't - because for some reason you changed your mind and voted for Putin, who more likely was peaceful. It seems to me that your "conflict" and "suspicions" to Mouse was fake, regarding to zero reaction from him

It could be, but now all we can do - is guess. Why was Goose killed, but not e.g. Pastor?
I especially remember the Mouse's arguments like "No-no, I'm definitely not a maniac!" or something and his agreement with his hanging, which probably would avert suspicions about his involvement to mafia. If everyone thinks that killing someone with whom you're openly in conflict is dangerous and illogical, someone will use universal statement. This version is also possible, don't avoid it. And don't forget about redirections - maybe, get rid of me would be the best option to intimidate the Goose (especially considering that I was not suspected), but alas!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:30:38
By the way, I should note that your link to a quote with opium casts more suspicion on Julik1221 than on Pastor - "Julie, or the New Heloise" by Jean-Jacques Rousseau and then "Juliette" by Marquis de Sade. The funniest thing is that in my own coordinate system, Julik cannot be Poppins, and it drives me a little crazy. Coincidence, damn coincidence.

And I have to add that if the murder was committed by Julik, then GameMaster could use only the player’s nickname (for the lack of everything else) to compile a clue on the murder. That's why all of these Julie and Juliette get so weighty and at the same time infuriate me)


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:30:40
There are 2 ways - intimidation on any player or Putin vote was not counted as it was done yesterday. Support the majority is not good reason.
Wrong. If you look at Julik's messages, you will see in him a voice that was against Dryusha and was not counted.
A similar voice of Putin against Goose is yesterday.
That is, if the vote is not accepted, it is recorded as not voting. It's hard to mix up.
And as far as I remember, I commented on this post of yours with a similar meaning, but obviously into the void.

Perhaps you bad in reading - here were my assessments
And why are you proud that you started voting against the one you think is peaceful now, and reproach me with the fact that I was dissatisfied with this, but do not appreciate the fact that my reasons are quite visible to myself?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:40:06
If Mouse is black - Pastor is more dangerous, than Goose. Goose lack reasoning and could be easily painted as black. Choosing between Mouse and Goose I would highly likely vote Goose out at the next voting. So from that perspective Pastor is more dangerous.

I don't get anything. If you say that probably Mouse is black, why should I be more dangerous than mafia? - Considering the fact that you had no suspicions about me yesterday. Don't you forget about your previous suspicios about Mouse's behavior? Yesterday you clearly said that you would see how everything will go and maybe support someone's point of view, but you didn't - because for some reason you changed your mind and voted for Putin, who more likely was peaceful. It seems to me that your "conflict" and "suspicions" to Mouse was fake, regarding to zero reaction from him

It could be, but now all we can do - is guess. Why was Goose killed, but not e.g. Pastor?
I especially remember the Mouse's arguments like "No-no, I'm definitely not a maniac!" or something and his agreement with his hanging, which probably would avert suspicions about his involvement to mafia. If everyone thinks that killing someone with whom you're openly in conflict is dangerous and illogical, someone will use universal statement. This version is also possible, don't avoid it. And don't forget about redirections - maybe, get rid of me would be the best option to intimidate the Goose (especially considering that I was not suspected), but alas!

Because you will certainly support Goose against Mouse' so killing you is more logical. I myself can play against either of them, but as I wrote - more likely against Goose as he had a lack of reasoning throughout the game.

It's not my final decision yet, there are some things I would like to confirm. Otherwise, I would have already voted.

I surely remember all my suspicions and checking them.

Also - killing inactive Putin who was a mafia to me or active Mouse, who can also be mafia? Of course Putin.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:43:37
I myself can play against either of them, but as I wrote - more likely against Goose as he had a lack of reasoning throughout the game.
Now tell me, can I be a mafia at all if I asked for less to suspect Goose?
For others, this is still possible, because they do not know you.
But if you know yourself peaceful, then tell at least some sense of this action for the mafia?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:45:51

Perhaps you bad in reading - here were my assessments
And why are you proud that you started voting against the one you think is peaceful now, and reproach me with the fact that I was dissatisfied with this, but do not appreciate the fact that my reasons are quite visible to myself?

Should I behave like "OMG I have mistaken, so sorry, that I didn't listen to you, Uranium. Now I will follow your lead, sir"?

No, I should not. If Putin wasn't lynched yesterday - probably I would go against him today too. I have crossed out one of the suspects in my list. Negative result is a result too.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:49:04
, you should ask Kara_mel - why she first decided that the clue points to you, and then she began to completely ignore her own find, when it turned out that it is much clearer points to another player(Julik1221).

Okay, such a solution does not fit into MY coordinate system, but for other players it should be very logical. So why?

My brains quietly slide down somewhere, so it's better to take a horizontal position.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:50:09
I myself can play against either of them, but as I wrote - more likely against Goose as he had a lack of reasoning throughout the game.
Now tell me, can I be a mafia at all if I asked for less to suspect Goose?
For others, this is still possible, because they do not know you.
But if you know yourself peaceful, then tell at least some sense of this action for the mafia?

Of course knowing, that player X is not mafia - you can find reasoning to say not to suspect him. It's too straightforward, but still can be possible. It's common in classic.


And tell me - why did I offered new voting scheme to make day lynching possible without draws?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:52:33
Should I behave like "OMG I have mistaken, so sorry, that I didn't listen to you, Uranium. Now I will follow your lead, sir"?

No, I should not. If Putin wasn't lynched yesterday - probably I would go against him today too. I have crossed out one of the suspects in my list. Negative result is a result too.
The question is, how much do you want to see now that I definitely had at least small, but reasons to reason in Putin's favor?
And not that they are not enough to remove suspicions.
That is, the task is not to change your worldview, but to see that mine is different, and to accept that such an approach is also possible, and therefore measure it not by its own standards.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:52:43
, you should ask Kara_mel - why she first decided that the clue points to you, and then she began to completely ignore her own find, when it turned out that it is much clearer points to another player(Julik1221).

Okay, such a solution does not fit into MY coordinate system, but for other players it should be very logical. So why?

My brains quietly slide down somewhere, so it's better to take a horizontal position.



I'm writing via smartphone and it's not easy to be quick and write everything. I'm answering to things I can without going to the other web pages. I cannot check your pointings in MY clue.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:57:53
Of course knowing, that player X is not mafia - you can find reasoning to say not to suspect him. It's too straightforward, but still can be possible. It's common in classic.


And tell me - why did I offered new voting scheme to make day lynching possible without draws?
The question is not about that. It is one thing to consider something yourself - and another to extinguish a conflict.

You just don’t know that I offered the same thing, because I don’t think that my image allows me to voice such suggestions in the subject for the sake of peace points. Actually, I could offer this to the mafia, but the question is how it might look. In general, your move is not so significant for me as the first impression of a desire to participate in the questionnaire.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 22:58:24
Should I behave like "OMG I have mistaken, so sorry, that I didn't listen to you, Uranium. Now I will follow your lead, sir"?

No, I should not. If Putin wasn't lynched yesterday - probably I would go against him today too. I have crossed out one of the suspects in my list. Negative result is a result too.
The question is, how much do you want to see now that I definitely had at least small, but reasons to reason in Putin's favor?
And not that they are not enough to remove suspicions.
That is, the task is not to change your worldview, but to see that mine is different, and to accept that such an approach is also possible, and therefore measure it not by its own standards.
Of course you have your point of view, but you haven't done good job in making others to accept it. You so keen on me - why didn't you persuade others to change it - e.g. Pastor/Goose?


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 23:01:59
Of course you have your point of view, but you haven't done good job in making others to accept it. You so keen on me - why didn't you persuade others to change it - e.g. Pastor/Goose?
Let the pastor himself tell why he was not convinced, I also turned to him. Another thing is that I didn’t really imagine what kind of vote I should offer him, besides what it already was.
And to Goose, but there was a dead number. As I already said, it is necessary to read the events, and even if it could not be done at the vote, it was the whole night yesterday.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 23:04:04
Of course knowing, that player X is not mafia - you can find reasoning to say not to suspect him. It's too straightforward, but still can be possible. It's common in classic.


And tell me - why did I offered new voting scheme to make day lynching possible without draws?
The question is not about that. It is one thing to consider something yourself - and another to extinguish a conflict.

You just don’t know that I offered the same thing, because I don’t think that my image allows me to voice such suggestions in the subject for the sake of peace points. Actually, I could offer this to the mafia, but the question is how it might look. In general, your move is not so significant for me as the first impression of a desire to participate in the questionnaire.

Conflicts are the source of info in good games. Someone has to support one, while the other - other side.  It's how I've always played.

For me it's rather different - firstly voting, then questionnaire, but it's your opinion.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 23:05:05
And I have to add that if the murder was committed by Julik, then GameMaster could use only the player’s nickname (for the lack of everything else) to compile a clue on the murder. That's why all of these Julie and Juliette get so weighty and at the same time infuriate me)
It’s interesting who you considered him yesterday and the day before, if today Poppins (a possible option, in general, just too optimistic) is not suitable.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 23, 2020, 23:07:57
I'm going to sleep now. If you have any question to me - please make a list with numbering 1,2,3 etc. and write in bold To KaraMel. I'll reply when I'll wake up and deal with studies.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 23, 2020, 23:08:46
Because you will certainly support Goose against Mouse' so killing you is more logical. I myself can play against either of them, but as I wrote - more likely against Goose as he had a lack of reasoning throughout the game.
Actually, I don't get to whom I should be dangerous. Anyway, I considered this as if I was dangerous for you. If it means the danger to Mouse, well, then I already said that my death will intimidate the Goose.


Also - killing inactive Putin who was a mafia to me or active Mouse, who can also be mafia? Of course Putin.
So it means you ignored the fact that among active players there may be mafia
No, I should not. If Putin wasn't lynched yesterday - probably I would go against him today too.
and you would continue to chase inactive player even the next day, regarding to possible victims?

You said that is easier to identify acitve players. So it's easier to get rid of them, but you suspected Putin.

Let the pastor himself tell why he was not convinced, I also turned to him
Putin's activity was strange, but Kara_Mel did not take it into account. He could vote against the Goose just because he began to blame him. That's all. It was the same situation when Mouse blamed Drusha and then Drusha voted against him. And it seemed to me that vote against him is useless, and as I see now - it was so.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 23, 2020, 23:09:48
Conflicts are the source of info in good games. Someone has to support one, while the other - other side.  It's how I've always played.
And I always believed that the conflict between the nemafia is the basis of the black victory, and such events should be gently cultivated, because they ensure victory. As long as the urban sorted out among themselves - they do not touch you.
The absolute benefit. And even if one of them starts to doubt something, you can always vote against him with the other, who will only be happy.
Extinguishing the conflict between the worlds is the last thing. If you want to be a peacemaker - extinguish a peaceful conflict with your partner, which is much more useful if you succeed.

So I don’t really believe that you don’t know such things.

Putin's activity was strange, but Kara_Mel did not take it into account. He could vote against the Goose just because he began to blame him. That's all. It was the same situation when Mouse blamed Drusha and then Drusha voted against him. And it seemed to me that vote against him is useless, and as I see now - it was so.
What did you not like about Sampai and Julik? I didn’t ask Putin, it’s easy to notice.

,
I'm going to sleep now. If you have any question to me - please make a list with numbering 1,2,3 etc. and write in bold To KaraMel. I'll reply when I'll wake up and deal with studies.
1. Make your list of everything that everything (after today) has remained questionable in my actions, and this will make sense. Or the phrase - there are no more complaints.

Bold did not stand out, well, ok, give this phrase.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 23, 2020, 23:17:31
What did you not like about Sampai and Julik? I didn’t ask Putin, it’s easy to notice.

Because their hanging had no sense to me. I already said that is useless to get rid of inactive players, cuz GM would do this anyway without us - at the day an at the night, and I even suggested how it would be, so the get rid of someone active—who can definitely be a mafia despite the such activity—would bring more profit than kick out the inactive and then probably die at the next day by one you suspected
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 06:26:35
It’s interesting who you considered him yesterday and the day before, if today Poppins (a possible option, in general, just too optimistic) is not suitable.

Well, I have named so many possible roles for other players that now there are not many options left for my own role.

And I never said that I see Julik as a specific role. I just thought that she was more likely to be among the "bad ones."
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 06:48:25
Perhaps that phrase about "not dead, but sleeping" may hint that the Goose is Orlando. Orlando is an Italian version of the name Roland. Roland in legends is the best paladin and nephew of Charlemagne. And about Charlemagne himself, there are just myths that say he didn’t die, but only sleeps somewhere under the mountains with his knights. In general, such an interpretation is possible.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 06:54:59
Well, I have named so many possible roles for other players that now there are not many options left for my own role.
This is the only thing that keeps me from the belief that you need to be kicked out. Orlando also has some kind of information, after all, and peaceful loners usually rank themselves in the city.
Since the rest are loafers, and among them there is a peaceful one (or two, Invicta is still in the game), you can write a summary for them. I want to look at the objections on the list, if any (should be from the peaceful, I would say).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 07:26:09
Actually, I don't get to whom I should be dangerous. Anyway, I considered this as if I was dangerous for you. If it means the danger to Mouse, well, then I already said that my death will intimidate the Goose.
If Mouse is black - your possible vote in Mouse to support Goose at the next voting. Not mine or even Uranium, as they can be turned against Goose, but yours - not likely.

So it means you ignored the fact that among active players there may be mafia

Player, who does not write anything, but still sends NA is far more dangerous than active mafia player - this is a pure fact.

and you would continue to chase inactive player even the next day, regarding to possible victims?
My suspicions wouldn't fade away in a blink of an eye, you know. And his behaviour was only the catalyst for such thoughts, considering the fact, that he is the last one to be kicked out.

You said that is easier to identify acitve players. So it's easier to get rid of them, but you suspected Putin.

Easier, that's why it's vital to play with actives at the end, not with silent, who cannot be drawn into the discussion.

And I always believed that the conflict between the nemafia is the basis of the black victory, and such events should be gently cultivated, because they ensure victory. As long as the urban sorted out among themselves - they do not touch you.

So are you basically giving a strong hint on your role, huh?

1. Make your list of everything that everything (after today) has remained questionable in my actions, and this will make sense. Or the phrase - there are no more complaints.

Perhaps we just have a different vision on the same problems. Matter of experience.
If your hint is correct - I have no more questions. For now.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 07:36:43
By the way, I should note that your link to a quote with opium casts more suspicion on Julik1221 than on Pastor - "Julie, or the New Heloise" by Jean-Jacques Rousseau and then "Juliette" by Marquis de Sade. The funniest thing is that in my own coordinate system, Julik cannot be Poppins, and it drives me a little crazy. Coincidence, damn coincidence.

It's not impossible, but I like my interpretation better, but maybe because The Twelve Chairs is my favourite book.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 07:44:38
, I'm trying to write a full list of players by roles, as I see them, but it will probably take a lot of time, and I just have to leave for a few hours (I hope we have a full time limit).

By the way, about the posthumous (or not) message from KILLKILLKILL ... Could it be that the whole mafia has dropped out and someone who has dropped out is trying to stir up the water? Is this possible in principle? Or is it, on the contrary, a tricky move and leveling.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 24, 2020, 08:07:59
I hope we have a full time limit
You have, yes.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 12:08:09
I decided on almost everyone, but so far I find it difficult to know which of the remaining pair of players to give Griffin to, and to whom - Todd. The problem is that I don’t see the normal binding of evidence pointing to Todd to the profiles of both players. Maybe I was mistaken in something, or maybe this is the problem of the evidence itself.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 12:19:15
Well, I had a thought who Todd was. Not according to evidence, but according to the logic of actions. I will have lunch and translate my thoughts.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 13:31:54
Or maybe you’ll think about the mafia?
Maniac is such a thing, today can not win. But the mafia may be two (not that the chances are very high, and in this case one of them is often an instinct, but there is one).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 13:58:50
Now, as I understand it, the most likely mafia to drop out, if their three are Bratuha, Messor and Dmksin.
By vaping roles: Scrooge, Moreau, Hyde, but I may be wrong.
I can be mistaken with any of them, if Mafia 2, Moro is still alive, and someone is deprived of our voice / the Mafia’s voice is doubled, that is, we suffer, and we have no right to expel a maniac, hoping for the Mafia’s offer to vote or a draw.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 14:11:22
First - those who left us.

02. Dmixn ---------------------------------Ebenezer Scrooge. Because both a frock coat and bad manners (or simply hostility towards Biggles).

03. Putin mod.2 ---------------------------Biggles. Because of the cowboy vocabulary.

04. Sue Sharlin ----------------------------LIZ. Due to the description of death and termination of interviews.

05. l10ha ----------------------------------Orlando. Because of the mention of sleeping but alive (Roland and Charlemagne). And also because of the mention of the medical bot after the execution of the alleged Sherlock. For Orlando, a completely possible strategy is to self-medicate, because the main thing for him is to live to the end.

06. Falcon hunting ------------------------ Presumably Jeeves, discarding most roles. Plus an explosion from a lightning strike - Jeeves had cyber implants, maybe they caused the explosion.

08. Drusha ------------------------------ Sherlock. For the reasons I mentioned earlier.

09. Bratuxa777 --------------------------- Jekyll Hyde. For the reasons I mentioned earlier.

10. Julik1221 ----------------------------- Moreau - in the film "Dr. Moreau's Island", there was a scene in which Moreau had a head there was an ice bucket for cooling. And Julik1221 died, dropping on itself a machine for chopping ice.
https://dtf.ru/cinema/63683-ostrov-doktora-moro-slozhnaya-sudba-potencialnogo-shedevra

11. SamPie -------------------------------- Alice (although with the definition of a book of poetry as evidence I am less sure about this but cheap katana with feathers are still extremely close to counterculture)

Still alive.

01. pastor chivay ------------------------ Griffin. Excluding other roles.

07. shiori ------------------------------- Oliver (from the interview, although there are some doubts).

12. InVictA ------------------------------ Mary Poppins. By behavior - since the only activity is a vote against me, which was justified by a careful study of the whole topic, which, however, is refuted by a complete lack of activity, not counting this message.

13. Kara_Mel ----------------------------- Robin (according to my assumptions). Robin does not have many sources of information, he can only cut off those who he blocked and those who came to him on even days as killers of the night. Thus, if I did not come to Kara_Mel on even days and was not blocked by her, then her suspicion of me remained.

14. Anony-mouse --------------------------If someone is not a mafia (of which I have already named all the members), then why not a single attack from the mafia was committed against him, despite the fact that this someone was actively called a maniac? But is there such a role (among those remaining) that the mafiosi could consider safe for themselves?

15. Uranium235 ------------------------- Todd. Very unexpected for me. And I couldn’t properly attach the evidence. But remember that Uranium said that he promised GameMaster to play at half strength and be a mentor. Perhaps this explains why the maniac was so kind to the players so far that only inactive players became his victims?


I cannot be completely sure that I was not mistaken in anything. But I think that as an food for thought for the rest of the players, my analysis is quite suitable.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 14:13:36
With a goose - Orlando I think there is confidence, with Sue-Liz too.
The rest is in a certain fog.
For example, I thought that Roger had a female role in “she,” but it turned out that this applies to the player (I’m insidious in terms of knowledge of gender, so do not use it as an argument).
In the simplest case, the 2 protections shown (1 night and today) may mean Oliver. Todd may still be, but he obviously does not suit the fact that the murder has generally passed.
The remaining cases of obtaining 2 defenses are already more difficult. I do not exclude them completely, but to start considering I want some kind of support argument.
The description of the surprise that Oliver in the performance of duties, and not at a union meeting or something like that, I find it quite appropriate.
Knowing Oliver, you can recognize Jeeves, to a greater or lesser extent. Dryusha definitely doesn’t fit the voice, but Putin-Mod is fine. Most likely, this is someone inactive too, especially no one insisted on peacefulness.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 14:28:23
01. pastor chivay ------------------------ Griffin. Excluding other roles.

More likely that's reference to Griffin just because of puer. Not sure about Scrooge, cuz I think it was Bratuxa and he is already dead. And Alice sells moonshine, so I guess it was about Griffin

Mouse, share the exclusion method. You have some new, progressive one that allows you to ignore direct rejections for defining the role of the murdered.
I don’t own one like that.

Спойлер
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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 24, 2020, 14:29:47
09. Bratuxa777 --------------------------- Jekyll Hyde. For the reasons I mentioned earlier.

When Bratuxa died, at newspaper still mentioned multiply hacks. Today hacks much decreased and it was mentioned too. So don't you think that Jekyll is alive and probably Robin is dead? Explanation with a hint "F" quite fits with Robin's ability. So that means that SamPie was Robin and he is died.

SamPie -------------------------------- Alice (although with the definition of a book of poetry as evidence I am less sure about this but cheap katana with feathers are still extremely close to counterculture)
>
even death of a notorious feathery cult leader is not an obstacle for an ever-growing influence of the nightclub

InVictA ------------------------------ Mary Poppins. By behavior - since the only activity is a vote against me, which was justified by a careful study of the whole topic, which, however, is refuted by a complete lack of activity, not counting this message.
So you consider inactive player as Mary Poppins who didn't even try to justify himself and appear since 17th april, especially considering the victims, whose number has not changed?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 14:42:08
12. InVictA ------------------------------ Mary Poppins. By behavior - since the only activity is a vote against me, which was justified by a careful study of the whole topic, which, however, is refuted by a complete lack of activity, not counting this message.
10. Julik1221 ----------------------------- Moreau
Another grandmaster conclusion.
Only the mafia boss (Moro or the one who became them after death) sends the killings. 2 silent people could not kill Goose.

Of course, you have reduced the work for me to isolate your quotes by assigning other roles to someone, now the conclusion can be made without my help. The review itself is definitely incorrect (and it’s not even touching the fact that no matter how I want to help the host, I still play my victory, in any case, which means I will kill those whom I need to kill, and not those who die I myself as soon as I find out that such an option appeared).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 14:50:40
My dear ones, would you be so kind as to lay out your complete sheets of player roles. Of course, my thoughts alone are not able to determine the roles of all players for sure. But if other players make efforts to do this, then together we will find the truth. For sure.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:00:14
My dear ones, would you be so kind as to lay out your complete sheets of player roles. Of course, my thoughts alone are not able to determine the roles of all players for sure. But if other players make efforts to do this, then together we will find the truth. For sure.
I said that I thought it was necessary, and maybe at some point I will supplement it. For example, you can criticize the role of Oliver for a player who had 2 assassinations in the game, but killed GM
But I consider it a gross violation of the prohibition of showdowns to paint a detailed sheet indicating the role for everyone (let’s say, if I imagine that I’m the master of the game, and you are an unnamed role in the list, then modkill would be immediate. And if not named, also because a false autopsy is equal to showdown). Of course, we have loyal rules now, but as an example, I will not allow myself to do this.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:02:02
You know what I don't like in Mouse's big analysis.

1. He made a huge hint on his role. I'm not fully sure, but it somehow contradicts with rules about "roles info disclosure". And he is still alive and well.
2. The role Mouse pointed on himself - is one of those, which is possible for the mafia to know (with successful block). If it was any of the other roles - it would be risky to do so - doubling could appear, but this role is the safe one if mafia knows that it's been kicked out.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:05:15
1. He made a huge hint on his role. I'm not fully sure, but it somehow contradicts with rules about "roles info disclosure". And he is still alive and well.

All my villainous fabrications were previously censored by the GameMaster.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:05:16
You know what I don't like in Mouse's big analysis.

1. He made a huge hint on his role. I'm not fully sure, but it somehow contradicts with rules about "roles info disclosure". And he is still alive and well.
2. The role Mouse pointed on himself - is one of those, which is possible for the mafia to know (with successful block). If it was any of the other roles - it would be risky to do so - doubling could appear, but this role is the safe one if mafia knows that it's been kicked out.
you can find this very ousted role.
In classics, an autopsy is considered true, as long as there is no alternative, I think you know that.
And I highlighted the bold question yesterday. Well, it almost happened.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:08:28
In classics, an autopsy is considered true, as long as there is no alternative, I think you know that.

There is an alternative. If Hyde checked Marple - mafia knows player's role. If Marple was kicked out already - it's safe to use this role for the mafia. The very same goes for Sherlock.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:10:59
There is an alternative. If Hyde checked Marple - mafia knows player's role. If Marple was kicked out already - it's safe to use this role for the mafia. The very same goes for Sherlock.
The roles of the dead can be called.
Specify who this player is (nickname).
Without such a definition, an attack is untenable.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:15:55
The roles of the dead can be called.
Specify who this player is (nickname).
Without such a definition, an attack is untenable.

Ok, I have a strange idea, that's why I wrote this.

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Dmixn shook his body, but suddenly the victim grabbed Dmixn by the lap of his frock coat and in a second both were deleted from history, like, forever.

Marple uses Yahoo!, which is a search engine. For that, she must use a browser. There is a history in the browser, which can be deleted.

Marple->Yahoo->browser->history
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:23:08
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It would be very bold to say that Miss Marple wore a frock coat. Or the fact that the fragile old woman had a very sonorous voice, and the cowboy vocabulary is not in her style either.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:23:25
Not good. frock coat men's clothing. It is impossible to describe Marple in a frock coat for an experienced host.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frock_coat
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:32:01
There is a frock coat for women too.

https://prnt.sc/s5be16 (https://prnt.sc/s5be16)

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It would be very bold to say that Miss Marple wore a frock coat. Or the fact that the fragile old woman had a very sonorous voice, and the cowboy vocabulary is not in her style either.

You're mistaken. Cowboy vocabulary is a hint on Putin, but not on Dmixn. For him - there is only green part.

The debate, heated by dozens of cups of the very special Puer-o-Noid, exploded when Putin.mod2 was pushed out by a pair of fellow citizens and brought to the edge of a marmite reservoir. A moment’s silence ensued and then, in a full, sonorous voice, the winner of the elections exclaimed: “See y'all partners!” He had scarcely uttered the last word when a heavy blow from Dmixn shook his body, but suddenly the victim grabbed Dmixn by the lap of his frock coat and in a second both were deleted from history, like, forever.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:49:41
, Let's just say that I'm quite surprised. But what about manners? Miss Marple is an extremely well-mannered old woman, and of course she will not beat the executed man in vain.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:50:54
First appearance "The Tuesday Night Club"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Marple

worse than that, even death of a notorious feathery cult leader is not an obstacle for an ever-growing influence of the you-know-which nightclub
What interesting details can be seen if Marple can wear a frock coat.

Now I think she was alive at least at the beginning of the night. I thought it was Alice, but I like the Marple nightclub option better.
Mouse, you definitely escaped failure.
But the list of players and roles still needs to be edited, the mistake in the Pastor and in the mafia has been proven, well, of course, I'm wrong in me.
Limit yourself only to the dead, this is much more correct.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:56:08
worse than that, even death of a notorious feathery cult leader is not an obstacle for an ever-growing influence of the you-know-which nightclub

The night club is reference to Alice “Smol Bean” Liddel and her bartender work.

What interesting details can be seen if Marple can wear a frock coat.

(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/e1/cb/91/e1cb914a0c45558bbcb336ee4d24bdb3.jpg)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 15:58:35
, The same question is for you. Why on earth would Miss Marple pound someone, this is absolutely not her behavior. If you find somewhere that Jane Marple was a Mexican luchador in her youth, then I would gladly vote against myself.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:02:51
Uranium235, The same question is for you. Why on earth would Miss Marple pound someone, this is absolutely not her behavior. If you find somewhere that Jane Marple was a Mexican luchador in her youth, then I would gladly vote against myself.

The character of Jane Marple in the first Miss Marple book, The Murder at the Vicarage, is markedly different from how she appears in later books. This early version of Miss Marple is a gleeful gossip and not an especially nice woman.

Cannot say anything more than that for now.

As I see the game now.

12.  InVictA             -- NOT Todd/Poppins



02.  Dmixn               -- Marple
03.  Putin mod.2       -- Biggles
04.  Sue Sharlin        -- LIZ
05.  l10ha                 -- ? - Sherlock or Orlando
06.  Falcon hunting    -- ? - perhaps Hyde
08.  Drusha               -- Moreau the Artie
09.  Bratuxa777         -- Scrooge
10.  Julik1221            -- ?
11.  SamPie               -- ?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:15:28
, The same question is for you. Why on earth would Miss Marple pound someone, this is absolutely not her behavior. If you find somewhere that Jane Marple was a Mexican luchador in her youth, then I would gladly vote against myself.

I will not go into this debate. Ambiguity is normal. I suggested more interesting topics - with Oliver's modkill, the incorrectly defined mafia and the wrong role of the Pastor above, I need more comments on these issues than looking for this fact.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:18:26
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"Mrs. Price Ridley, Miss Wetherby, Miss Hartnell, and that terrible Miss Marple."
"I rather like Miss Marple," I said. "She has, at least, a sense of humour."
"She's the worst cat in the village," said Griselda. "And she always knows every single thing that happens - and draws the worst inferences from it.
"

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Miss Marple is a white-haired old lady with a gentle, appealing manner - Miss Wetherby is a mixture of vinegar and gush. Of the two Miss Marple is much the more dangerous.


All the "horror" of Miss Marple is that she knows everything about everyone, and willingly gives everyone roles ... uh ... shares her knowledge. But she doesn’t beat anyone, so be sure.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:18:32
10. Julik1221 -?
Oliver, or tell me how he escaped death twice, on the first night and yesterday.

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I’m still waiting for the quintessence of suspicions towards me, which could still remain after yesterday to finish off any incomprehensible moment.
You asked to ask questions and highlight in bold, well, so I asked.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:23:46
1. Make your list of everything that everything (after today) has remained questionable in my actions, and this will make sense. Or the phrase - there are no more complaints.

Perhaps we just have a different vision on the same problems. Matter of experience.
If your hint is correct - I have no more questions. For now.


This was the answer, long ago.

Oliver, or tell me how he escaped death twice, on the first night and yesterday.

He escaped death once. Second time he was modkilled.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:25:41
I suggested more interesting topics - with Oliver's modkill

Interesting. If we assume that Shiori is not Oliver, then I find it quite possible that Julik was Oliver.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:28:13
He escaped death once. Second time he was modkilled.

Actually, he escaped death twice. He was poisoned and somehow survived, but THEN he was modkilled
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:29:52
Although I am very annoyed that the crushed ice I found in the description of Dr. Moreau turned out to be a coincidence.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:32:41
Actually, he escaped death twice. He was poisoned and somehow survived, but THEN he was modkilled

Ah, didn't pay attention to it. Then, yes, more likely he was Oliver, while Griffin the Invisible is alive.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:42:06
In this case, we are very likely to have two mafiosi, a man and three townspeople. Since, theoretically, the third mafioso who dropped out might be Falcon Hunting or no one. And I don’t particularly see him as a mafia, although I could have called his role incorrectly.

And now I rather see Jeeves in Uranium, given how many times he mentioned Julik1221 in his answers.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:54:07
And now I rather see Jeeves in Uranium, given how many times he mentioned Julik1221 in his answers.
You continue to issue facts against all logic.
In your opinion, is it normal for one member of the urban bunch to vote another?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 16:54:54
And now I rather see Jeeves in Uranium, given how many times he mentioned Julik1221 in his answers.

And he wanted to execute Julik1221 instead of Putin? That doesn't work like this.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 17:02:08
You continue to issue facts against all logic.
In your opinion, is it normal for one member of the urban bunch to vote another?

Apparently not everyone is given the chance to keep in mind all the facts about all the players at the same time, all changes of voting and so on. Glad you are capable of it. Congratulations. And I feel that I need a rest, I need both neurons of my brain to gain strength.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 24, 2020, 17:04:05
No, Jeeves is as inactive as Oliver.
If it were different, we should expect indignation at the attempt to execute him, but we didn’t observe this at all.
I think this is Putin-Mod. In an extreme case, Invicta, who did not like the aggression into him from the Mouse in that glimpse of activity that was - but this is only a hunch.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 19:20:55
And dead silence in the topic. Less than 24 hours we have, but it's too early to jump out of discussions.

Mafia in descending order of probability for me now: Mouse -> Pastor -> Uranuim -> Shiori
Todd in descending order of probability: Shiori -> Uranium -> Mouse -> Pastor

If such mumbling will continue - I have nothing but to break this silence with a vote.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 24, 2020, 19:51:48
Day 4 Exit Poll

No vote (6): , , , , ,


Deadline SAT 7 PM. 20 hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 19:53:34
Huh, so it really leaves no choice. Let's light up the party.

Too many small and large mistakes in a short period of time + a reckless hint. Let's see how the story will go on from here.

AnonyMouse
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 24, 2020, 21:30:31
And dead silence in the topic. Less than 24 hours we have, but it's too early to jump out of discussions.

Mafia in descending order of probability for me now: Mouse -> Pastor -> Uranuim -> Shiori
Todd in descending order of probability: Shiori -> Uranium -> Mouse -> Pastor

If such mumbling will continue - I have nothing but to break this silence with a vote.

That's interesting to see myself among—even close to—mafia, considering the fact that I did not see any suspections and some kind of arguments too today. Can you explain?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 24, 2020, 21:33:57
That's interesting to see myself among—even close to—mafia, considering the fact that I did not see any suspections and some kind of arguments too today. Can you explain?

The Twelve Chairs interpretation is still here for me, but it's less precise (much much less) than Marple's Yahoo. That's why you're the second.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 24, 2020, 22:19:35
Too many small and large mistakes in a short period of time + a reckless hint.

Не who makes no mistakes, makes nothing.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 06:55:38
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Do you understand that for a city dweller your manner of playing at this stage is extremely irresponsible? If you declare that "InVictA - NOT Todd / Poppins", then you confirm that at least as far as your role is concerned, I have not made a mistake. For mafiosi, my guess is not so simple. It’s another matter if Hyde came to you and didn’t come with a block. Do you think Hyde is a Falcon? Did he come to you?

Of course, the last question does not require an answer in the topic. Simply, if Hyde / Sokol did not come to you, then you must admit that as a mafia it would be very difficult for me to make guesses about you.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 07:18:55
And dead silence in the topic. Less than 24 hours we have, but it's too early to jump out of discussions.

Mafia in descending order of probability for me now: Mouse -> Pastor -> Uranuim -> Shiori
Todd in descending order of probability: Shiori -> Uranium -> Mouse -> Pastor

If such mumbling will continue - I have nothing but to break this silence with a vote.
What are these lists.
You have no complaints against me, why am I not in last place in this case?
Speak what exactly allows me to call someone other than the city.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 07:32:51
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Do you understand that for a city dweller your manner of playing at this stage is extremely irresponsible? If you declare that "InVictA - NOT Todd / Poppins", then you confirm that at least as far as your role is concerned, I have not made a mistake. For mafiosi, my guess is not so simple. It’s another matter if Hyde came to you and didn’t come with a block. Do you think Hyde is a Falcon? Did he come to you?

Of course, the last question does not require an answer in the topic. Simply, if Hyde / Sokol did not come to you, then you must admit that as a mafia it would be very difficult for me to make guesses about you.

It has nothing to do with my role. As Invictia was absent during the night - he is not the one, who ordered kill. He can be Hyde, if there are 2 mafia in the game, but that does not matter as he will be kicked out.

And asking such questions is a disrespect. You were scared, that I'll tell, that you're trying to get me modkilled? That's why you've added this "do not answer in the topic".


And dead silence in the topic. Less than 24 hours we have, but it's too early to jump out of discussions.

Mafia in descending order of probability for me now: Mouse -> Pastor -> Uranuim -> Shiori
Todd in descending order of probability: Shiori -> Uranium -> Mouse -> Pastor

If such mumbling will continue - I have nothing but to break this silence with a vote.
What are these lists.
You have no complaints against me, why am I not in last place in this case?
Speak what exactly allows me to call someone other than the city.

The thing, that you're still alive, while you are definitely the most strongest and experience in the game. But it would be stupid to ask you "Why do you still alive?". So it's a matter that has nothing with questions to you, but to the game overall.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 25, 2020, 07:46:33
Interlude

Спойлер
fergoose: i saw the gun man why you need that gun
EGWatt: Self-defence, Fergus.
fergoose: from like who
EGWatt: Demons, Fergus. Demons.
fergoose: what like archviles
fergoose: or
fergoose: mother queens grandnephews
EGWatt: I knew you wouldn't understand. Let's just cut it.
fergoose: your acting strange lately mimi
fergoose: no smarty words n all
fergoose: im trying to say were worying
EGWatt: Of course you're worrying. We're all worrying!
EGWatt: No one knows what is happening.
EGWatt: No one knows what is happening.
EGWatt: It is a lot of danger out there.
fergoose: ....okay??
fergoose: yo love listen
EGWatt: I listen, BRUV! It's you're who don't and aren't!
fergoose: geez chillax
fergoose: ..bruv
EGWatt: Don't you dare geezing at me! Nobody listens!
EGWatt: I'm shouting! But the world has no ears!
fergoose: wait i lost you at the ears thing
fergoose: i mean yeah its a stone ball
EGWatt: All this I cannot bear to witness any longer
fergoose: wha
fergoose: HEY YOU FORGOT A FULL STOP
fergoose: MIMI
fergoose: HANG IN THERE IM CALLING 112
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 08:13:24
And Shiori is not discussing too much for a proven city.
I agree that it is difficult to pull Poppins with the current survey options, for this you need to come up with alternative formulations for at least two questions (because in the main options there are all 3 lies regarding it).
But Todd is easy if the lie is on the second, regardless of whether he is a weapon or the presence of protection. Even for stalking people, one can choose different formulations, and still it will not be true, because the persecution is hardly equal to murder (for comparison, there is the first question).
Well, he survived death, again, this is more likely to speak of a lie to the second question than to some other. Sherlock by that time could easily die in the form of Dryusha.
Let’s do a factual analysis of clipping roles.

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Armchair and rigid face - strongly associated with Miss Marple for me. Or Biggles but he has veteran ability.

We’ll throw Marple back, probably Beagle too.
The poll reclines Liz.

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Victim was found near desktop, so it could be Miss Marple again, but she has laptop, not desktop, or Chris. Also Scrooge and Jekyll can match.
We recline Marple again.

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Role of the victim is Chris because of F meme for pay respect?
Subtract Robin.

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Hard to say about other roles of victims. The firm skull of Julik - maybe for Jeeves with his in-brain Cybernet implant?
Subtract Jeeves. We subtract Oliver, too, if you count Julik not Jeeves, because there will not be a member of the city bunch to misinform the corpse.
Of course, I can believe that Oliver on the first night defended Jeeves, no matter what offer he was. But in this case, where did another defense come from tonight, because Shiori also had to spend the second on himself?
So it's worth throwing both, and this is consistent.

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And the Goose looks like a divine person. He can be Orlando if recall the plot of the book.
Subtract Orlando (often, and in this case, I still agree with the description).

Well, and considering that we have Julik Oliver, you can throw Sherlock.
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So I think that Sherlock's curing is the more likely version.
Because if Shiori Sherlock, the move to Julik is illogical, there were a sufficient number of more active goals that need stronger treatment, even if you didn’t want to give it to yourself.

Alice and Griffin from the city remained. Now you can study the survey again.
Doesn’t know those who shoot - not always true.
Both have neither protection nor weapons - not always true.
So, a lie should be on the third question. If stalking people is an opportunity to check, then there is no lie (= true) only for Alice.

The problem with protection still remains, because in Alice's case it is external. Either Sherlock was alive (by the way, it’s completely impossible to throw him out by the way, according to a survey with a lie on a weapon, he is suitable, he can be suitable for protection, if you imagine that for some reason Shiori needed to treat an inactive), or something marginal.

I am waiting for corrections in reasoning. It is difficult to refute Oliver in the form of Julik, the description about it is surprising that it worked perfectly for him. And that means you have to have Sherlock alive on the third night to save Shiori-Alice. Or Shiori Todd. There are two basic options left.

The thing, that you're still alive, while you are definitely the most strongest and experience in the game. But it would be stupid to ask you "Why do you still alive?". So it's a matter that has nothing with questions to you, but to the game overall.
The Mafia and the maniac didn’t do so many murders so that such reasoning made sense.
With the same success, this can be applied to you. A chain of modkills for inactivity knocked down the natural order of mortality when the most peaceful come out first.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 08:32:51
You were scared, that I'll tell, that you're trying to get me modkilled?

I'm afraid of what? Lose an educational game? There is no concept of losing in a training game, my dear. I'm just trying to understand whether you are still a stubborn citizen or whether you belong to the mafia.


Given that at the end of today we will lose two players (if Invicta is not hanged), the game will go into an endgame with four players. If Invicta is a city, then voting against another citizen is equal to a city loss. Therefore, I am careful and do not understand why you are so careless if you are a city dweller.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 08:43:29
Now Pastor.

Liz minus in the process of discussing Sue's murder.


there's still a chance that the victim was a Scrooge. regarding to others role - I don't see anyone who related to business, exept Alice (don't think that London affairs get any worse after her death, it's just a bar, not serious business. or I may be mistaken?) and maybe Jeeves, cuz he served by the rich. so yeah, as you said, Scrooge more likely. or, at least, Orlando

Here only Orlando is effectively thrown out, in fact (and it’s not forbidden to cut off the neutral, as we recall).
On Alice and Jvisa (+ Orlando), cutoffs are weak, they can only be taken conditionally.

There are nothing else about mass hacks, so there I see only one option: Hyde checked someone and was not able to block and Christopher Robin missed the night, because he has only block and nothing more. Or maybe Falcon was Robin - I think there is no need to explain the reason why he could not act.
Throw out Robin.

More likely that's reference to Griffin just because of puer. Not sure about Scrooge, cuz I think it was Bratuxa and he is already dead. And Alice sells moonshine, so I guess it was about Griffin
Griffin

And in the same post under the spoiler - Sherlock.
Well and there - Beagle
about Putin — everything said above — there's no doubt that he was the winner of the elections cowboy

Then Robin is thrown out again.

I can also throw Marple. Do you know why? Yes, because the Pastor saw the Mouse post, and still did not vote on it. For the real Marple, no other evidence would be required, except to see a false autopsy.

Thus, if it approaches the question as broadly as possible, then the pastor’s peaceful roles are over. And given that the clipping is weak, and Oliver Julik is still to be accepted, then Alice and Jeeves remain.
Alice or not, one can try to understand by the way he will respond to the fact that the only real peaceful role for Shiori is Alice, if you do not invent very complex constructions - for a real Alice, suspicions should become extremely great.

On Alice and Jvisa (+ Orlando)
Alice, Jeevce (+Oliver)*
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 08:58:24
The Mafia and the maniac didn’t do so many murders so that such reasoning made sense.
With the same success, this can be applied to you. A chain of modkills for inactivity knocked down the natural order of mortality when the most peaceful come out first.

To a certain degree - yes, sure. But only with a note, that I am a newbie here, like the rest of newcomers, while you are not.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:02:16
The pastor hid, Shiori finally fell into a lethargic dream, Kara_mel does not demonstrate urban behavior.

Perhaps now the most obvious city dweller is Uranium. Uranium, I think I will vote the same as you.
This time I'm not doing very well with clues, so I will bet on the city dweller.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:08:18
I'm afraid of what? Lose an educational game? There is no concept of losing in a training game, my dear. I'm just trying to understand whether you are still a stubborn citizen or whether you belong to the mafia.

Given that at the end of today we will lose two players (if Invicta is not hanged), the game will go into an endgame with four players. If Invicta is a city, then voting against another citizen is equal to a city loss. Therefore, I am careful and do not understand why you are so careless if you are a city dweller.

Oh, I'm far away from being careless, and I want to win, no matter you call it  "an educational game". If you think, that my vote is strange, well - no, it's not. I want to see how you're planning to drag yourself out of this situation (if you're the town). Your analysis had 3 points:
1. Direct saying, that you're Marple. Don't care even if you just gave a hint - it's like writing "I'm Marple";
2. InVictA -  Poppins is a foolish saying. It cannot be true;
3. Uranium235 is Todd - like a direct proposal to hang him now, as the last mafia is inactive. Ha-ha-ha, now you're saying, that you'll vote the same as Uranium.


In the worst-case scenario - the finale will be with only 2 players, and it can be both mafia and maniac. Do you really planed to hang Invictia?! He'll be kicked out anyway. And you're calling my behaviour not pro-town.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:11:58
The mouse himself said everything, it was possible to conduct similar analytics on it, I wanted to do it yesterday, but it’s not required. So let's go Caramel.

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Ebenezer scrooge
jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx
Orlando - from a certain point of view
Christopher Robin - also from a certain point of view
Reginald jeeves
Liz bennet
So, LIZ Bennet to ask herself is very pro way of playing, so discarding her role - 2 possible roles for him if he is the town and answered the truth.

First weak clipping. Whether Caramel was Robin or Jeeves, her suspicions of Shiori would have been much stronger after speculation. that for 5 role options he has 2 cities, one of which belongs to her own.
Well, the very reasoning for the survey does not look Liz's opinion - but there is nothing new.

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To spend protection on an inactive player - is the most reckless decision I've heard. There are around 7 active players who could have used this protection, while this Julik is just an actionless dummy and his life means nothing right now.
Since I still think it is likely that this is about Oliver, Jeeves could not say so.
I think, in the aggregate of this and the fact that the above Jeeves is definitely minus.

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I have no idea about cowboys - do not know what they are saying, but - "dozens of cups" can be a reference to one of the Griffin the Invisible, Alice “Smol Bean” Liddel and Ebenezer Scrooge.
Passing Alice and Griffin

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03. Putin mod.2 - Biggles, if trust statements about cowboys
We pass Beagle, Liz left earlier, but there is still confirmation.

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02. Dmixn - Marple
minus marple

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05. l10ha -? - Sherlock or Orlando
minus sherlock and orlando (with the condition, but it is, as before, almost a fact).

In summary, only the weak Oliver and Robin remained peaceful roles. And I did not see the explicit dispute of the assumption for Oliver yesterday, which I should have expected from the real Oliver, so I can afford to remove it too (I can still challenge it, of course).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:17:39
Uranium, I'll just warn you with one thing - when there are 2 roles in my analysis - it doesn't mean, that doubt. Sometimes it was written that way by me on purpose.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:18:04
The pastor hid, Shiori finally fell into a lethargic dream, Kara_mel does not demonstrate urban behavior.

Perhaps now the most obvious city dweller is Uranium. Uranium, I think I will vote the same as you.
This time I'm not doing very well with clues, so I will bet on the city dweller.

It is certainly nice to hear, but you need 3 votes, in any case, and a minimum of 4 to kick someone out.
I am waiting for new conclusions from you regarding who may be the mafia.
Well, the comments on my analytics of the three players, of course, too.
No matter how absurd the conclusion that Marple beats someone there, a frock coat is really available. Of course, I am inclined to the version that a night club is a Marple move, which was left only for you and Invicta. But even accepting this as the truth, I can’t assert your peacefulness now, without commenting on the departed players in such a way that 2 active players could be a mafia and a Tod.


Uranium, I'll just warn you with one thing - when there are 2 roles in my analysis - it doesn't mean, that doubt. Sometimes it was written that way by me on purpose.
Strong statement.
Okay, do you agree with my version of Oliver?
Do you allow Shiori to be a city?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:28:25
Alice and Griffin from the city remained. Now you can study the survey again.
Doesn’t know those who shoot - not always true.
Both have neither protection nor weapons - not always true.
So, a lie should be on the third question. If stalking people is an opportunity to check, then there is no lie (= true) only for Alice.

The problem with protection still remains, because in Alice's case it is external. Either Sherlock was alive (by the way, it’s completely impossible to throw him out by the way, according to a survey with a lie on a weapon, he is suitable, he can be suitable for protection, if you imagine that for some reason Shiori needed to treat an inactive), or something marginal.

I am waiting for corrections in reasoning. It is difficult to refute Oliver in the form of Julik, the description about it is surprising that it worked perfectly for him. And that means you have to have Sherlock alive on the third night to save Shiori-Alice. Or Shiori Todd. There are two basic options left.

Alice has protection, even considering the fact that it could turns against her. And Alice can know someone with homicidal tendensions if she uses Rabbit Hole. Griffin's knowledge about homicidal tendensions is very doubtful. Not sure he has protection as Alice (she can save herself with her second skill) only external. Or if he is lucky and offers some tea to his possible killer, but chances is low, and I'm not sure that he considering this possible way. Stalking people can considering as offers to tea to someone (regarding to Griffin's description too) then

It has nothing to do with my role. As Invictia was absent during the night - he is not the one, who ordered kill. He can be Hyde, if there are 2 mafia in the game, but that does not matter as he will be kicked out.

InVictA is definitely not Hyde. If you analyze 3rd/4th newspaper you'll find absolutely nothing about Hyde's inactivity;

at newspaper still mentioned multiply hacks. Today hacks much decreased and it was mentioned too. So don't you think that Jekyll is alive and probably Robin is dead?
Invicta was offline since 17th april, but number of hacks decreased only after SamPie's and Goose's deaths. It was decreased, not disappeared

Simply, if Hyde / Sokol did not come to you, then you must admit that as a mafia it would be very difficult for me to make guesses about you.

That's already hard to you, regarding to the fact that you marked Kara_Mel as Robin, who is already dead
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:40:39
Alice has protection, even considering the fact that it could turns against her. And Alice can know someone with homicidal tendensions if she uses Rabbit Hole. Griffin's knowledge about homicidal tendensions is very doubtful. Not sure he has protection as Alice (she can save herself with her second skill) only external. Or if he is lucky and offers some tea to his possible killer, but chances is low, and I'm not sure that he considering this possible way. Stalking people can considering as offers to tea to someone (regarding to Griffin's description too) then
I do not understand now what it was.
The question was asked before the result of the first night, there could still be no information from the actions, only those that have a start.
And what do you mean when you say that Alice has protection? A quote from the roles file, please, to get around the language barrier as reliably as possible.

And in any case, the questions suggest the facts that are described in the roles, and not speculation as it would be possible, if you guess something there, apply the action. Under there is protection, only a phrase can survive (survives death at night or the like).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:42:04
Okay, do you agree with my version of Oliver?
I can agree with assuming Julik was Oliver.

Do you allow Shiori to be a city?
Well, perhaps, he can be.
He was a target to kill.
If he was protected by Sherlock - it's unclear who he is.
Todd has 2 protections, so it can be the case and it almost fits the interview, but 3rd question is unclear.
Poppins too has one protection, but interview contradicts with it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:44:49
Well, perhaps, he can be.
He was a target to kill.
If he was protected by Sherlock - it's unclear who he is.
Todd has 2 protections, so it can be the case and it almost fits the interview, but 3rd question is unclear.
Poppins too has one protection, but interview contradicts with it.
If it is possible, do you agree that an analysis of his exceptions does not allow us to come up with anything but Alice in that case?

I can agree with assuming Julik was Oliver.
If we consider that this is true, then which of those killed in theory could be Jeeves? All options.
My option is Putin-Mod, if you have a different vision, I would like to know him.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:52:04
If we talk about Shiori, I must say that initially having made a positive impression, he subsequently showed ever decreasing activity, and his conclusions became increasingly superficial and sloppy. Which casts a very big doubt on my interpretation of his interview. Problems of a damaged phone when questions were first stylized and then translated. In terms of behavior, he is rather Todd, playing in a very relaxed manner. Todd is not too concerned that the townspeople will vote against him at the moment.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 09:57:20
And what do you mean when you say that Alice has protection? A quote from the roles file, please, to get around the language barrier as reliably as possible.

>1. Rabbit Hole: redirects the target’s action to the next living player in the list.

"– Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?" means not only protection, but block, (Alice's action is block, so yeah, she can protect herself. And Griffin's action is offer, not block) and if here's a chance that she can block somebody, then it may be considered as >stand-up-for-yourself.
And in any case, the questions suggest the facts that are described in the roles, and not speculation as it would be possible, if you guess something there, apply the action. Under there is protection, only a phrase can survive (survives death at night or the like).

If "Rabbit Hole" can works anyway (if only Alice would not be in block) Griffin's tea means player's accept to it, not sure if someone would take such risks. So that means that Griffin's actions is, as you said "speculation as it would be possible", and Alice actions are a fact.

To me Shiori is Griffin now, I explained why above. And cuz of fact that Shiori was a victim. Mouse's behavior is suspicious, considering his previous fact mistakes and behavior few days ago. He is rather maniac, because it's in his interests: stay close to city and hang the mafia, and then kill the rest of survivalists. He stays aside and denies that he fears to lose, pretends he has nothing to lose.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:00:18
o me Shiori is Griffin now, I explained why above. And cuz of fact that Shiori was a victim. Mouse's behavior is suspicious, considering his previous fact mistakes and behavior few days ago. He is rather maniac, because it's in his interests: stay close to city and hang the mafia, and then kill the rest of survivalists. He stays aside and denies that he fears to lose, pretends he has nothing to lose.
You speak Shiori city, Mouse maniac.
Who is the mafia? I think that Caramel, but suddenly there are some suspicions against me, we can disperse now or admit that there is nothing to say against me, and there are no options left besides the city.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:02:09
"– Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?" means not only protection, but block, (Alice's action is block, so yeah, she can protect herself. And Griffin's action is offer, not block) and if here's a chance that she can block somebody, then it may be considered as >stand-up-for-yourself.

No no no. It does not matter what kind of experience a journalist has, but nobody asks questions that can be interpreted SO widespread. I strongly doubt that the Game Master would not point out to the player the possible consequences, even if the player tried to ask such a question.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:03:08
The version of the survey with the burrow as a way of protection is openly doubtful for me.
Such interpretations for questions are uncharacteristic, I have already said this. A journalist requests a formal attribute that is easy to see in roles. Status, the presence of a particular type of action or the number of passive abilities. Calculated by a simple search, in other words, without reasoning about the unusual uses of something.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:07:06
If it is possible, do you agree that an analysis of his exceptions does not allow us to come up with anything but Alice in that case?
If to trust his quotes - yes. Other way Robin is a fine option too.

If we consider that this is true, then which of those killed in theory could be Jeeves? All options.
My option is Putin-Mod, if you have a different vision, I would like to know him.
No, not Putin mod. SamPie maybe, hard to tell, but Buddhist poetry is not commoners readings. Jeeves knew much about high society.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:09:54
By the way, Pastor, do you repeat all 3 questions again? Your interpretation.
It seemed to me that you could have made a logical mistake now, it is important to dissuade me, until you are sure of it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:10:40
Who is the mafia? I think that Caramel
And that's exactly why I've decided not to change my vote to Julik to support you, which had to be killed anyway, but made my position shattered with voting against Putin. Don't you think, that it's too blunt move for a mafia?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:12:12
No, not Putin mod. SamPie maybe, hard to tell, but Buddhist poetry is not commoners readings. Jeeves knew much about high society.

Buddist poetry is a hint to killer.

and, to much surprise, a little book full of Buddhist poetry (with all the verses about samsara marked)

and, to much surprise - these words are added to highlight evidence.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:12:22
And that's exactly why I've decided not to change my vote to Julik to support you, which had to be killed anyway, but made my position shattered with voting against Putin. Don't you think, that it's too blunt move for a mafia?
I evaluate the position of the Pastor now, this is not my conclusion.

And how do you put Shiori Robin if he directly called SamPai a possible Chris (= Christopher Robin)?

No, not Putin mod. SamPie maybe, hard to tell, but Buddhist poetry is not commoners readings. Jeeves knew much about high society.
Buddhist readings are not a hint of a role.
This is evidence on a maniac.
If you read the explanations on how to study the newspaper, then the evidence is surprising, out of place, while the usual environment indicates the role of the victim.
Reread again the edited version of the newspaper (this point has been fixed).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:16:27
And how do you put Shiori Robin if he directly called SamPai a possible Chris (= Christopher Robin)?
I see tactic, where someone can intentionally cross his role out and wait for someone to take it. I don't know if it's applicable here, but I saw such things.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:17:55
If we talk about Shiori, I must say that initially having made a positive impression, he subsequently showed ever decreasing activity, and his conclusions became increasingly superficial and sloppy.
Yes, because I was overloaded by masses of text in topic. Sorry for this.

I can try to write my vision about current players and roles, but can not discuss much.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:18:08
And finally, Caramel, do you agree that the Pastor is now carrying some rubbish, evaluating the Shiori poll as possible for Griffin?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:26:05
Buddhist readings are not a hint of a role.
This is evidence on a maniac.
If you read the explanations on how to study the newspaper, then the evidence is surprising, out of place, while the usual environment indicates the role of the victim.
Reread again the edited version of the newspaper (this point has been fixed).

Yup, my bad. Then I do not have any other reasoning for now. If I'll have something - I'll mention, but now I have nothing, but to agree.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:28:16
I see tactic, where someone can intentionally cross his role out and wait for someone to take it. I don't know if it's applicable here, but I saw such things.
It seems to me that you are now openly pulling up non-existent opportunities. Yes, and a survey for Robin is difficult to sum up, he has neither protection, nor weapons, nor knowledge of the mafia. That is a lie to the third question, so formulate it first.
We will return as Pastor. Do you see peaceful roles for him?
He certainly suspects the Mouse, but he did NOT vote on him yesterday, that is, Marple was expelled.
What is left?
He dodges so as not to consider Shiori Alice and not suspect.
You think everything is in order?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:28:56
And finally, Caramel, do you agree that the Pastor is now carrying some rubbish, evaluating the Shiori poll as possible for Griffin?

I don't think, that Shiori can be Griffin.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:30:17
Yup, my bad. Then I do not have any other reasoning for now. If I'll have something - I'll mention, but now I have nothing, but to agree.
What exactly will agree?
I made quite a few statements, now it is not clear which one you eventually supported.
For example, the inability to put Jeeves dead may mean that he is alive, that’s all.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:39:34
Who is the mafia? I think that Caramel, but suddenly there are some suspicions against me, we can disperse now or admit that there is nothing to say against me, and there are no options left besides the city.
Well, it's hard to choose between you and Cara, because of your activity and analysis of each player. Analyzing each player is a good move to avoid attention from yourself. But since my lil suspects Cara's behavior became strange, and now she answers with simple statements. About you I have nothing to say, because your statements don't change and behavior too. (And this damn autotranslator...) Maybe it's because of your big experience in mafia, but i don't know.

By the way, Pastor, do you repeat all 3 questions again? Your interpretation.
For now I see another picture of all this
I reread my interpretation and... Well, if you said that questions should not include range of possibilites.... In my first interpretation first question sounds like "Are you mafia??" but pretty veiled. And if this question implies this, then he lied on third one.
>He is unarmed
If we can't consider Alice's and Griffin's actions how protection, then that's right
>is it mean that he doesn't visit someone or he doesn't check?
After this I more preferred with Cara's statement about visits, if we include offers into stalking (as visits), then he lied. Cannot have any information about homicidal tendentions, has no protection but he is stalking ppl. I'm confused a bit now, maybe there's some mistake, but I see this situation like this rn


I don't think, that Shiori can be Griffin.

Then explain why.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:45:44
Yup, my bad. Then I do not have any other reasoning for now. If I'll have something - I'll mention, but now I have nothing, but to agree.
What exactly will agree?
I made quite a few statements, now it is not clear which one you eventually supported.
For example, the inability to put Jeeves dead may mean that he is alive, that’s all.

Oh, I see Putin as a Biggles, actually. I have nothing to say, that he is more likely alive, or some hint was interpreted incorrectly.



Then explain why.
If he is Grififn, then:
1st question is true answer;
2nd question - he has theanine, which is item.
3rd - he offers/visits.

It's coming out as 2 lies, when only 1 is possible.

and now she answers with simple statements
But of course, I have time during a daytime to write big poems. No, I don't have. I freed yesterday evening for that, but no one was here. Oh, wait. You were but in a different topic.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:51:54
I'm confused a bit now, maybe there's some mistake, but I see this situation like this rn

That's exactly what I think that until you get into a decent version, you can’t talk about Shiori except Alice.
I remind you that in any case, his defense should have been external, that is, Sherlock is alive on the third night (Oliver spent his 2 on himself, we do not take him into account).
Who is Dryusha, if not Sherlock?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:52:28
Day 4 Exit Poll

(1): Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299419#msg1299419)

No vote (6): , , , ,


Deadline SAT 7 PM. 5 hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 10:54:02
, I'm still waiting for an explanation about the Pastor. You put it on the list of mafia and maniacs as the least likely negative. And what is it, it turns out, you could not even come up with a peaceful role for him?
I do not believe.

, Mouse, what is silent?
Your Robin Caramel (who is not Robin, because he wants to pull it Shiori) votes you, the Pastor suspects enough to vote. If you are not sure that they are both a mafia and a maniac, then one of them should be persuaded right now.
I will not do this for you, I have my own front of work, and it is quite extensive.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:06:29
I'm still waiting for an explanation about the Pastor. You put it on the list of mafia and maniacs as the least likely negative. And what is it, it turns out, you could not even come up with a peaceful role for him?
I do not believe.

That's a hard question. Firstly Pastor was LIZ (before Sue was killed), then I thought of him as a Jeeves/Oliver due to his relation with Goose, but it's too was a fake it seems.
Now if Pastor calling Shiori as a Griffin - then out of all options - Alice.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:14:09
(1)
no kills

(2)
Sue * maf = Liz
Bratuxa * man = Scrooge

Drusha * Goose, Cara, Chivay, Putin, Shi, Anon = Sherlock

(3)
Falcon * mod = probably maf?

Putin * Cara, Anon, Shi, Uran = Biggles
Dmixn * mod = Marple

(4)
Goose * maf = Orlando
SamPie * man = Robin
Julik * mod = Jeeves

In game: 2 mafs, Todd, Oliver, Alice, Griffin.

So we need to hang a bandit. I think that Invicta is a maf. I can not decide, who is more suspicious, Anon or Cara-chan. I see Uran and Chivay less suspicious now. So I think that we should hang Invicta. Or to risk hazardously in choosing between Anon and Cara-chan.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:16:43
That's a hard question. Firstly Pastor was LIZ (before Sue was killed), then I thought of him as a Jeeves/Oliver due to his relation with Goose, but it's too was a fake it seems.
Now if Pastor calling Shiori as a Griffin - then out of all options - Alice.
2 Alice, Shiori and Pastor.
Are you sure everything is fine in position, do not want to move anything?
Because seriously talking about cutting off your role in order to lure someone out there is absurd. It turns out, even if this opportunity really exists, you have it almost the main version of the development of events.
I would not say that the Pastor was confident in the attempt on Oliver, because he knew about it (general results with Jeeves).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:17:34
So I think that we should hang Invicta. Or to risk hazardously in choosing between Anon and Cara-chan.
InVictA will be modkilled for inactivity, we don't even need to hang them. We have to choose then
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:19:37
Or to risk hazardously in choosing between Anon and Cara-chan.
In game: 2 mafs, Todd, Oliver, Alice, Griffin.
Do you see the same as me?
Hint: I see an imitation of a misunderstanding of the situation, because not really understanding it with Shiori’s experience is not easy.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:20:06
Dmixn * mod = Marple

If you agree with Dmixn as a Marple, then Mouse is given a false hint to his role as he basically called himself Marple.

InVictA will be modkilled for inactivity, we don't even need to hang them. We have to choose then
Fully correct, have to choose.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:23:01
If you agree with Dmixn as a Marple, then Mouse is given a false hint to his role as he basically called himself Marple.
You still have 2 Alice, I'm waiting for a conclusion soon. And without ridiculous discussions about a special cut-off, please.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:24:33
2 Alice, Shiori and Pastor.
Are you sure everything is fine in position, do not want to move anything?
Because seriously talking about cutting off your role in order to lure someone out there is absurd. It turns out, even if this opportunity really exists, you have it almost the main version of the development of events.
I would not say that the Pastor was confident in the attempt on Oliver, because he knew about it (general results with Jeeves).

Pastor's probability of being Alice arose after I told, that I agree, that Shiori can be a town player. With current change of roles - Shiori is back to Todd.

But I'll not write role-matching table as it's opportunity to be modkilled for role-knowing disclosure.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:34:40
Pastor's probability of being Alice arose after I told, that I agree, that Shiori can be a town player. With current change of roles - Shiori is back to Todd.
What are the chances that dmksin is not marple, but someone else, for example, Scrooge or Sherlock?
As stated in one book, we compare two probabilities that add up to 100%: Marple and non Marple.

But I'll not write role-matching table as it's opportunity to be modkilled for role-knowing disclosure.
We can do without this, of course.
Usually they play with a stricter rule - you can’t call roles alive, only dead (except for obvious cases like a survey). This is now an educational game, loyal to how many restrictions you really need to observe.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:37:22
,
We can have two mafa with mana, and we can be three townspeople - you, me and Invicta. In this case, whom should I convince?

Even if we have one mafia, it’s hard for me to identify another citizen. Caramel is a novice in this kind of mafia, Pastor is a novice in the mafia in general. I just don’t understand which reaction is natural for them and which is not.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:39:51
We can have two mafa with mana, and we can be three townspeople - you, me and Invicta. In this case, whom should I convince?
The maniac is that it is time to get rid of the mafia, otherwise he too will lose even with the defenses.
It is obvious, If you see 2 mafias, then you need an alliance with Todd. But are there really two of them?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:42:51
Umm ... I need to at least read what I write. I need to hang already for these terrible "mafa" and "mana".
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:45:21
Because 2 mafias - it means one of them is Moreau (death of Hyde and Scrooge, I think, everyone recognized).
Todd gets voice deprivation, the mafia kills the last peace. And even the death of one of the mafs entails the defeat of the maniac, because he is deprived of his voice and hangs 1-0 tomorrow by vote.
Well, if you do not recognize the death of Hyde, then the maniac will not kill the mafia because of the block - the result is the same for him.
So, if everything is so bad in the world, look for a maniac and convince him.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:46:52
What are the chances that dmksin is not marple, but someone else, for example, Scrooge or Sherlock?
As stated in one book, we compare two probabilities that add up to 100%: Marple and non Marple.

If somehow Dmixn is not Marple (but I don't believe in it) - then Mouse is not lying and seems to be a real Marple.

Why do I not believe you might ask me. I can explain - even though it's an educational game - if everyone would do such analysis (with a direct hint) - the game is close to the end. No point in the mafia, then - just like giving screenshot with your role.
As a host - I saw such scenarios and do not tolerate them at all. And that's answer the question to me - why Mouse is alive right now after such move.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:54:19
If somehow Dmixn is not Marple (but I don't believe in it) - then Mouse is not lying and seems to be a real Marple.

Why do I not believe you might ask me. I can explain - even though it's an educational game - if everyone would do such analysis (with a direct hint) - the game is close to the end. No point in the mafia, then - just like giving screenshot with your role.
As a host - I saw such scenarios and do not tolerate them at all. And that's answer the question to me - why Mouse is alive right now after such move.
You never named the exact probability.
50:50? 80:20?

My answer is that the master of the game is too loyal to the players now. Suppose he received a question from Mouse, if I could write so, and answered yes to it. Now it’s not easy to make modkill, because you have to act against your own promise.
The situation should be disassembled in the general case, like a normal showdown in a game where they are possible.
We certainly expect from an experienced full-role player that as a negative he will play out as if he had some kind of peaceful role. And how experienced is the mouse in this case? Maybe yes, maybe not.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:54:59
But are there really two of them?

I can’t be sure. But to spend five hours convincing two possible mafiosi to vote in favor of the city ... Unfortunately I am not Wolf Messing. However, if we consider that there is a city dweller in the Kara_mel and pastor pair, then I would rather see a pastor as a city dweller.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:57:08
I can’t be sure. But to spend five hours convincing two possible mafiosi to vote in favor of the city ... Unfortunately I am not Wolf Messing. However, if we consider that there is a city dweller in the Kara_mel and pastor pair, then I would rather see a pastor as a city dweller.
But Shiori is not necessary to convince?
He generally Marple is not among the living. Stupidity or blackness?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 11:59:41
why Mouse is alive right now after such move.

I already said why. Because I submitted my text to the GM review.


But Shiori is not necessary to convince?

I see him as a maniac. And a maniac in such a situation is a natural ally of the city. Even if he later kills us all, now he is more likely to support our choice.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:01:54
You never named the exact probability.
50:50? 80:20?

Maybe because I do not know exact probability? I can only say, that more than 50% for Mouse is not Marple and less than 50%, that he is Marple.


I already said why. Because I submitted my text to the GM review.
Oh, but that's only words, you know. Of course, you may have submitted, but it says nothing about your role.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:04:11
Maybe because I do not know exact probability? I can only say, that more than 50% for Mouse is not Marple and less than 50%, that he is Marple.
Tell me more precisely. Over 50 is 51? Or 75? Or 99?
I like interest, they show more precisely than the words can be or I suspect.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:06:29
Tell me more precisely. Over 50 is 51? Or 75? Or 99?

85 over 15, I'm almost 100% sure about the hint.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:08:27
85 over 15, I'm almost 100% sure about the hint.
What is the probability that Shiori Todd?
I’m wondering in which place at least 10% gained on my manicism.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:10:07
Tell me more precisely. Over 50 is 51? Or 75? Or 99?

85 over 15, I'm almost 100% sure about the hint.

From 15% there are 5% on the punch; 5% on the frock coat; 5% is general standard error.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:11:20
I'm almost 100% sure about the hint.

You don’t even suspect how funny it sounds. How often it happens that gorgeous, brilliant and witty (as we think of them) hint decisions turn out to be simple coincidences.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:13:15
What is the probability that Shiori Todd?
65% is Todd
20% is the town
15% is black (in case my mistake with Marple)

You don’t even suspect how funny it sounds. How often it happens that gorgeous, brilliant and witty (as we think of them) hint decisions turn out to be simple coincidences.

Then prove to me, that I'm wrong.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:15:36
20% is the town
Nor can you come up with a peaceful role.
Tell me my chances of being Todd, it's interesting to compare.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:16:00
I'll be off for half an hour, but then I'm ready to continue with the discussion.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:20:15
If you agree with Dmixn as a Marple, then Mouse is given a false hint to his role as he basically called himself Marple.
Well, and?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:22:11
, So really, try to prove Caramel. Break all claims against you, find what you can bring to Shiori or Pastor.
She had any complaints before, until today? Check how many are still among them, explain for each item.
You can also show that a similar claim has not been presented to another, although a fact has occurred. I can’t work for you.

Well, and?
I think this means that you deliberately did not delve into the subject matter.
Please explain how Julik escaped death 2 times (on the 1st night today) if he is not Oliver.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:43:27
Please explain how Julik escaped death 2 times (on the 1st night today) if he is not Oliver.
Def + block of killer?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:44:06
Tell me my chances of being Todd, it's interesting to compare.
30%, not much. You're trying to say, that you're Todd in last posts, including asking chances for you. So, you trying to say to Mouse, that you're the one who needed to be convinced?


If you agree with Dmixn as a Marple, then Mouse is given a false hint to his role as he basically called himself Marple.
Well, and?


First - those who left us.

02. Dmixn ---------------------------------Ebenezer Scrooge. Because both a frock coat and bad manners (or simply hostility towards Biggles).

03. Putin mod.2 ---------------------------Biggles. Because of the cowboy vocabulary.

04. Sue Sharlin ----------------------------LIZ. Due to the description of death and termination of interviews.

05. l10ha ----------------------------------Orlando. Because of the mention of sleeping but alive (Roland and Charlemagne). And also because of the mention of the medical bot after the execution of the alleged Sherlock. For Orlando, a completely possible strategy is to self-medicate, because the main thing for him is to live to the end.

06. Falcon hunting ------------------------ Presumably Jeeves, discarding most roles. Plus an explosion from a lightning strike - Jeeves had cyber implants, maybe they caused the explosion.

08. Drusha ------------------------------ Sherlock. For the reasons I mentioned earlier.

09. Bratuxa777 --------------------------- Jekyll Hyde. For the reasons I mentioned earlier.

10. Julik1221 ----------------------------- Moreau - in the film "Dr. Moreau's Island", there was a scene in which Moreau had a head there was an ice bucket for cooling. And Julik1221 died, dropping on itself a machine for chopping ice.
https://dtf.ru/cinema/63683-ostrov-doktora-moro-slozhnaya-sudba-potencialnogo-shedevra

11. SamPie -------------------------------- Alice (although with the definition of a book of poetry as evidence I am less sure about this but cheap katana with feathers are still extremely close to counterculture)

Still alive.

01. pastor chivay ------------------------ Griffin. Excluding other roles.

07. shiori ------------------------------- Oliver (from the interview, although there are some doubts).

12. InVictA ------------------------------ Mary Poppins. By behavior - since the only activity is a vote against me, which was justified by a careful study of the whole topic, which, however, is refuted by a complete lack of activity, not counting this message.

13. Kara_Mel ----------------------------- Robin (according to my assumptions). Robin does not have many sources of information, he can only cut off those who he blocked and those who came to him on even days as killers of the night. Thus, if I did not come to Kara_Mel on even days and was not blocked by her, then her suspicion of me remained.

14. Anony-mouse --------------------------If someone is not a mafia (of which I have already named all the members), then why not a single attack from the mafia was committed against him, despite the fact that this someone was actively called a maniac? But is there such a role (among those remaining) that the mafiosi could consider safe for themselves?

15. Uranium235 ------------------------- Todd. Very unexpected for me. And I couldn’t properly attach the evidence. But remember that Uranium said that he promised GameMaster to play at half strength and be a mentor. Perhaps this explains why the maniac was so kind to the players so far that only inactive players became his victims?


I cannot be completely sure that I was not mistaken in anything. But I think that as an food for thought for the rest of the players, my analysis is quite suitable.



See this analysis by Mouse. He gave all the roles to other players and only one he didn't mention - Marple to say that he is Marple. But if Marple is dead - this is a false hint by him. No peaceful player will do such a thing.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:48:02
Break all claims against you

Her accusations against me are illogical at first. She accused me of making mistakes.

Kara_mel, have you imagined yourself a Lady Perfection?

Further, she accused me of the fact that for the proposed version of the analysis, I would have to be subjected to modkill if I gave a hint of my real role.

Kara_mel, modkil threatens both for the showdown of his role, and for the false showdown.

Before posting my analysis, I presented it to GM. And made some amendments. So everything is legal on this side. At least by the rules of this particular game.


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06.  Falcon hunting    -- ? - perhaps Hyde
08.  Drusha               -- Moreau the Artie
09.  Bratuxa777         -- Scrooge

If the three mafiosi dropped out, and Ilf and Petrov point to the pastor, then as whom do you even hang me, dear? Why don’t you hang the pastor, whom your decision accuses of mafia?



Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:55:19
Break all claims against you

Her accusations against me are illogical at first. She accused me of making mistakes.

Kara_mel, have you imagined yourself a Lady Perfection?

Further, she accused me of the fact that for the proposed version of the analysis, I would have to be subjected to modkill if I gave a hint of my real role.

Kara_mel, modkil threatens both for the showdown of his role, and for the false showdown.

Before posting my analysis, I presented it to GM. And made some amendments. So everything is legal on this side. At least by the rules of this particular game.


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06.  Falcon hunting    -- ? - perhaps Hyde
08.  Drusha               -- Moreau the Artie
09.  Bratuxa777         -- Scrooge

If the three mafiosi dropped out, and Ilf and Petrov point to the pastor, then as whom do you even hang me, dear? Why don’t you hang the pastor, whom your decision accuses of mafia?


Nope, modkill based on analysis is a secondary fact. The main one is the facts I showed, that Marple is dead, while you're saying to be Marple.

Because I can see clear differences it both hints. Hint to Marple is much nicer in terms of solving, rather than The Twelve Chairs. If you would have come out as not Marple, I would have voted for Pastor, but contradiction you have is too big to ignore.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 12:59:59
The main one is the facts I showed, that Marple is dead, while you're saying to be Marple.

Do you keep saying that Marple, during the execution of her potential close ally, Biggles, attacked him and started beating him? Oh, yes, I did not hope to meet such a revelation.


Obviously, Dmixn and Putin mod.2 belong to different factions.
Try to find a more logical explanation.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:09:27
Do you keep saying that Marple, during the execution of her potential close ally, Biggles, attacked him and started beating him? Oh, yes, I did not hope to meet such a revelation.
I'm not a fan of fiction literature, so I have little idea, but I assume, that out of large bibliography and movies of all kinds she could have punched someone.

Also, the fact that Putin just grabbed in response could mean, that the same fraction, but never found each other - just a literature part.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:13:42
I'm not a fan of fiction literature, so I have little idea, but I assume, that out of large bibliography and movies of all kinds she could have punched someone.

It is not even a matter of discrepancy with the literary image. Your version is illogical initially. If GM wanted to execute two allies, Dmixn would die trying to save Putin-2. But we see what we see. This is the death of two opponents, not allies.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:13:49
30%, not much. You're trying to say, that you're Todd in last posts, including asking chances for you. So, you trying to say to Mouse, that you're the one who needed to be convinced?
It's too much.
Shiori has 65, I have 30. But the standard error, as you said, is 5%. It turns out that 5% is the Pastor and the Mouse together. The mess.
At the moment, I have come to the conclusion that you will not be able to turn around with the Mouse, in principle, regardless of what is happening (if I'm wrong, say it now).

Thus, I want to listen to real claims to myself, for these very 30% maniac. What has been done wrong?
The mouse said so that he did not vote against me, why would I give him anything else to hint?
You should not have left so many percent, if you consider it as a peaceful player.
There is simply nowhere for them to come from.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:14:26
Try to find a more logical explanation.

I put my explanation fair and square. It's your turn to find reasoning.

Also, accuse me why I am a Lady Perfection? The reason, that I have voted against you because you're such good and red citizen won't work.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:15:01
Def + block of killer?
What does the block have to do with it, if both examples are described as attempts, just like you on the third night?
No, these are 2 defenses / treatment, no blocks in this case.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:19:49
No, these are 2 defenses / treatment, no blocks in this case.
I think this is very strict conclusion.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:22:03
I think this is very strict conclusion.
Well, let's say what night the block was, and what protection?
We decompose the descriptions specifically, so to speak.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:23:48
It's too much.
Shiori has 65, I have 30. But the standard error, as you said, is 5%. It turns out that 5% is the Pastor and the Mouse together. The mess.
At the moment, I have come to the conclusion that you will not be able to turn around with the Mouse, in principle, regardless of what is happening (if I'm wrong, say it now).

Thus, I want to listen to real claims to myself, for these very 30% maniac. What has been done wrong?
The mouse said so that he did not vote against me, why would I give him anything else to hint?
You should not have left so many percent, if you consider it as a peaceful player.
There is simply nowhere for them to come from.

Unfortunately, this is how I see the situation with 65-30-2.5-2.5 of a maniac.
Silent players killed by Todd and you're words to others of your percentage of being a maniac are just big hints to me.

Mafia is team-based game and I do not intend of ruining the game with principles of any sort. Provide more suitable and reasonable candidate and I will support.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:27:24
I put my explanation fair and square. It's your turn to find reasoning.

No dear, you didn’t offer any explanation why you accused GM of confusing the players. Because your claim that the description of the execution and the Dmixn and Putin-2 modkills is the execution of two close allies is nothing more than the accusation of GM that he very badly described the event.
Also, accuse me why I am a Lady Perfection?

Oh, this is just a figurative expression. You accused me of mistakes - do you want to say that your posts do not contain errors?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:29:12
Unfortunately, this is how I see the situation with 65-30-2.5-2.5 of a maniac.
Silent players killed by Todd and you're words to others of your percentage of being a maniac are just big hints to me.

Mafia is team-based game and I do not intend of ruining the game with principles of any sort. Provide more suitable and reasonable candidate and I will support.
With this vision of the situation, you are not very successful in being peaceful in my world.
If the invicta skips the move on the mafia and mana, then skips the move in any case.
You simply could not have such a large percentage, I have no black actions, and I didn’t hide from the mafia’s bullet, but was sent to it.
Another try, remains 30% or not?
Now it’s not so much about me as about you in my eyes. And if you are a city, then I definitely have to go out peaceful. 5% on errors are the maximum that I am ready to see.

I will not shoot an offline maniac after it becomes clear that he is still a corpse. There are living ones, I want to get rid of them more strongly.
These are not the arguments that I am ready to endure in a full role on the fourth day.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:31:48
Alright, I don't want to wait anymore. That's endless. We have not much time till the end of the vote.
Kara_Mel

I already explained why I think so, Cara's behavior changed my opinion about her.


Mafia is team-based game and I do not intend of ruining the game with principles of any sort. Provide more suitable and reasonable candidate and I will support.
But you said that this changing stuff is not your cup of tea, don't you?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:35:08
But you said that this changing stuff is not your cup of tea, don't you?

And I didn't change anything yet.  :pff:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:39:43
It is a great temptation for me to vote against Kara_mel, this could include the achievement “execute the three who voted against you”, but I will vote in accordance with Uranium, as I said.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:41:53
It is a great temptation for me to vote against Kara_mel, this could include the achievement “execute the three who voted against you”, but I will vote in accordance with Uranium, as I said.
you have the right to change your mind.
But if I still have 30% Todd, then the chances that both conditions are fulfilled are pretty good.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:48:58
With this vision of the situation, you are not very successful in being peaceful in my world.
If the invicta skips the move on the mafia and mana, then skips the move in any case.
You simply could not have such a large percentage, I have no black actions, and I didn’t hide from the mafia’s bullet, but was sent to it.
Another try, remains 30% or not?
Now it’s not so much about me as about you in my eyes. And if you are a city, then I definitely have to go out peaceful. 5% on errors are the maximum that I am ready to see.

I'll leave it as it is. You trying me to change what I have already written, but I won't. I see maniac in one of the 2 experienced players and this is my final words. I'm using with my own experience. The results will show who was right.
 
I provided all reasonings I had - I do not have any more to say.

If you're thinking, that I'm not peaceful - go ahead and vote. We just walking in rounds. My words against all of the players - I lost this dialogue battle. I cannot provide anything more, but to repeat the same again.

I don't know what you're hoping for Uranium with trying me to change my percentages, but this will not work. I don't care about who is a maniac with chances today, but who the mafia is.

I made myself clear already yesterday with a vote.

It is a great temptation for me to vote against Kara_mel, this could include the achievement “execute the three who voted against you”, but I will vote in accordance with Uranium, as I said.
you have the right to change your mind.
But if I still have 30% Todd, then the chances that both conditions are fulfilled are pretty good.

Do as you must then. I have left 30% for you.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:51:22
you have the right to change your mind.

In fact, I ALREADY admitted my own little defeat. I play for the city, but at the very end of the game I can hardly understand where this city is. The game went too fast, about too many players I can’t say anything at all. Most of my skills are useless in this case. In this case, the only thing that can be done is to try to trust the judgment of the one who seems to be the player closest to the city. If I made a mistake, I made a mistake. OK. Not the first time and not the last.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:57:06
The game went too fast, about too many players I can’t say anything at all.

Oh, really? You gave such a comprehensive analysis yesterday and now you're saying that you cannot say anything.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 13:57:11
I don't know what you're hoping for Uranium with trying me to change my percentages, but this will not work. I don't care about who is a maniac with chances today, but who the mafia is.
Well, why is it not Pastor or Shiori?
For a classic player, it’s not possible to begin to consider that the Pastor Mafia is now of course possible, but in this case the forces should be thrown to convince him.
I don’t care about a maniac. I worry that I’m not exactly peaceful, because I don’t understand how peaceful you can be right now.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:00:15
I'll leave it as it is. You trying me to change what I have already written, but I won't. I see maniac in one of the 2 experienced players and this is my final words. I'm using with my own experience. The results will show who was right.

The mafia is a game, the very essence of which is that the townspeople are looking for allies. So pride in relying solely on one's own strength is a false pride. You may be mistaken time after time, but if you are not looking for allies, then you have already made a mistake in choosing a strategy.


Oh, really? You gave such a comprehensive analysis yesterday and now you're saying that you cannot say anything.

I can try to guess the roles, but I have nothing to say about the players. There is nothing to say about who did not play.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:08:01
For a classic player, it’s not possible to begin to consider that the Pastor Mafia is now of course possible, but in this case the forces should be thrown to convince him.

So you're telling me to say:

Hey, Pastor! For the whole game, I have played in the front lines, even if the decision was unpopular. I've provided a serious statement against Mouse. I even had guts to gave my vote yesterday! First damn vote!

Mouse all the game was trying to survive, and now when he is hiding behind Uranium's back - you still think that I am (for crying out loud) is the mafia here?! I'm trying to find mafia and I think that for that time I have succeeded. What the hell - a hint on "deleting from history" is saying EVERYTHING. I'm not looking for an ally to protect me - it's mafia trait!
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Well, I have said it, but it has never worked with me before. But let's give it a try.

I can try to guess the roles, but I have nothing to say about the players. There is nothing to say about who did not play.
You're crumbling, but others ignore it. Perhaps I was mistaken. There is not only one mafia in the game, but two.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:15:19
Cyberinsecurity Plagues London

The Old Smoke, our beloved Corporation, has never been particularly renowned for providing top-notch commodities to its employees and citizens. However, the latest events mark brand new, groundbreaking levels of negligence and decay that our cybersecurity is capable to reach. Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered. Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark; this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity. One may ask us who is responsible for this debacle. Alas, we all know the answer, aren't we?

            — George E. G. Watt
Here is the killer block on the first night. Julik comes out with a downed defense, not otherwise.
In the last newspaper it is still more obvious, first poisoning, then modkill.
There is no other way to interpret it.

Shiori, you don’t have much time left to answer the question.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:17:53
Well, I have said it, but it has never worked with me before.

Pastor, I have a quote for you!  :kekeke:

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Now you come to me and you say 'Don Corleone, give me justice', but you don't even ask with respect. You don't offer friendship. You don't even think to call me Godfather.

Sorry, but this was too funny for me.  :hehehe:

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:27:35
Well, I have said it, but it has never worked with me before. But let's give it a try.

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O~o~ooh! My heart is melting, sweetie! Q____Q
 I am so~o~o~o sorry, really... I... I should not suspect you, you know, I'm just a simple newbie who make some mistakes, that's all! Forgive me, I... ah-h... how dare I... I was not right! Oh, wait, stahp. That's not enough... You know, you would reached much greater effect if you bowed to me ^^"


Ahem.  ^is that what you expected?
I have some reasons to think like that, so actually I wouldn't change my mind, and if you wanna know—Mouse is the second one in my suspicious list
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:29:19
The Proletarian. Oliver managed to bring his high ideals through the rough life. By founding the Post-Trotskyist movement, he hopes to bring the “cryptofascist plutocrat scum”, as he only calls the Queen's rule, to the knees.
Status: mischievous.
Weapon: manacles.

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The last case made me actually laugh, sorry; I reckon that ridiculous turn of events cost me some mental stability. This time it was Julik1221. While being out on duty (which is surprising), she called 112 with acute poisoning. But, even though the emergency didn't bother to arrive, somehow the situation turned out to be okay—that is until an ice crusher didn't randomly fall from the top shelf and crush her firm skull. This is, undoubtedly, a bitter loss for all of us. (Still funny, I'm deeply sorry).

Even if two defenses are not enough, and the fact that it is unlikely that the "Duty" is something that is typical for a fighter with the system, it’s surprising, that is, there’s such a hint.
Names of statuses are given for a reason.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:33:11
Well, I have said it, but it has never worked with me before. But let's give it a try.

Спойлер
O~o~ooh! My heart is melting, sweetie! Q____Q
 I am so~o~o~o sorry, really... I... I should not suspect you, you know, I'm just a simple newbie who make some mistakes, that's all! Forgive me, I... ah-h... how dare I... I was not right! Oh, wait, stahp. That's not enough... You know, you would reached much greater effect if you bowed to me ^^"


Ahem.  ^is that what you expected?
I have some reasons to think like that, so actually I wouldn't change my mind, and if you wanna know—Mouse is the second one in my suspicious list

I have not expected anything as I know, this not works. Great - you have your reasons. I hope that after the game you'll tell me what they were?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:34:02
I hope that after the game you'll tell me what they were?

Yep, definitely
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:36:26
I have some reasons to think like that, so actually I wouldn't change my mind, and if you wanna know—Mouse is the second one in my suspicious list
You give too much Shiori peace. Perhaps this is correct when looking for the mafia.
And if a maniac?
Do you remember thinking that I said in a statement that there is a 50% chance that a maniac will kill a silent man? That this should not be, because why worsen your chances.
However, SamPai is killed. Shiori believes that F in this case is a meme that points to him as a robin. In fact, feathers and pieces of plastics (katans) point to the role, but I twisted it in every way and have no idea what it could mean. But here F really can be represented as another hint. And where, one wonders, Shiori calculated this if he did not know.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:39:27
Yep, definitely
That's reassuring. I'll come back with the last words later.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 14:43:57
Surprisingly enough, that valet Jeevis is on duty?
Yes, somehow there isn’t at all, there can be nothing surprising in this.

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This is the first kill attempt. It is hard to understand the killer role, I do not see any clear sign of him. The attempt have failed because of Sherlock's curing, if to rely on the mention of the health packs. But. This is the great luck to predict a prey from the fourteen players. So one of the many active and passive defenses can be the alternative cause for the fail. The author's name can contain hint for some info, but also can be just artistic description. Fergus Hume /not Fume/ is the novelist that inspire Arthur Conan Doyle to write A Study in Scarlet. So I think that Sherlock's curing is the more likely version.
And this is what Oliver said about Jeeves. Of course, of course (no).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:01:35
Shiori, you don’t have much time left to answer the question.
Well, what is your version?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:01:54
60 minutes warning!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:02:23
You give too much Shiori peace. Perhaps this is correct when looking for the mafia.
And if a maniac?
To be honest, it's difficult to decide who between Mouse and Shiori is maniac, but for now I hold my point where Shiori is Griffin

In fact, feathers and pieces of plastics (katans) point to the role, but I twisted it in every way and have no idea what it could mean
I thought that it was hint not to the role, but to the player's description. Now I have no idea about this at all


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:04:34
Well, what is your version?
Oliver is dead, Julik.
3 facts testify to this (see above).
You have not yet denied that in order to say that this is a defense and the bloc must be said exactly when it was the bloc (today or the first night). Because I don’t see the difference, show me it.

To be honest, it's difficult to decide who between Mouse and Shiori is maniac, but for now I hold my point where Shiori is Griffin
You think badly, we found out that in this case the survey options are not very suitable.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:12:52
You think badly, we found out that in this case the survey options are not very suitable.

Ok, what do you think then?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:26:11
Ok, what do you think then?
I think that he is the most likely maniac, interrogation and protection are ideal, bracing for an oliver, which did not work either.
But who is the mafia of the three of you remaining is still that problem.
For example, which of you has read this?
12. Can I have a list of Alice's "Action types" for Drink Me?
Of course, there you are.
Life: Hard cash, Headshot, Haircut, November 5th, Overhaul*, Last goodbye, Presentiment, Solidarity, Chifir (50%)
Data: Cleanup, Big Brother*, Yahoo!*, Arms collector*, Solicitude, Drink Me, Turing test
Action: Bribe, Watchdog, Meme, Rabbit Hole, Darjeeling, Assam, Chifir (50%)
Communication: Intimidation, Authority. When the marked (*) abilities fulfill Traits' requirements (Old Guard, Old foe), they're also seen as Communication actions.
Mimicry: no permanent type. It is seen of the type that was mimed by Orlando, Example: Orlando mimes Solicitude, then Alice checks Orlando and gets the "Data" result because Solicitude is a Data-type Action.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:29:29
I read this list when I read the interview to determine who has Data Night Action.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:35:06
I still think about Julik's death.
It would seem simpler to say that a secret service agent can fulfill a duty, has a strong skull - a likely cyborg, and a social worker can tilt a machine for breaking ice onto his own head. But something tells me that something is wrong here. We need to think about other options.

Principles of action. If you suspect someone, then most likely send a block, check, or something similar to him.
If you think someone is peaceful, then most likely send treatment to him or give a doubling, a positive move.

The mouse definitely suspected Julik. According to the laws of the course of action, he had to check him, if true Marple. And this check was supposed to show a negative status in order to suspect him further.
And I see confirmation of this. He suspects one whose status is negative, but does not want to write to this player the Mafia Poppins, who has a plus status.
If this is a move of negativity, then definitely, it is very good in terms of deceiving Uranus, because I definitely check the logic of actions.
It all depends on what others who suspected him might have been against him. Or the absence of negative actions on the part, or some specific information that I don’t see right now, maybe you are just playing correctly, not allowing yourself too much? So here I think.

The first paragraph is a quote from Mouse.

Who at that moment should already have known that I would find that Swindler Oliver sooner or later, and believe in Marple only if I see a hint of his negative status.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:48:31
All in all, Shiori Todd. Buddhism is a reference to Japan, his avatar is Japanese vocaloid. You can pull it, it would be a desire.
But even if I take the Mouse exactly Marple, I can not say who is blacker, Caramel or Pastor.
I can win back from two mafias only if the second Invict, which is equal to what I win back from one.

The last check remains. Peaceful, who believes in me and that I most likely did not make a mistake with the Mouse, because he does not have an antilogic in his moves, will now support the two of us in Shiori.

Shiori
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:51:30
,
So you want to execute Shiori? A strange move for a city dweller, but a promise is a promise.

shiori
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:52:21
Still, the last maf Poppins, he can do nothing but shoot. This is the only reason I'm willing to take the risk and start with Todd, in fact.
If Moro’s probability is even a little higher, I would risk it with the mafia, because it’s extremely difficult to beat a kill + intimidation.

So you want to execute Shiori? A strange move for a city dweller, but a promise is a promise.
Nobody obliges you to hold on to him.
The step is not strange. The fact that he is peacefully does not really work out, but Poppins is unlikely, in the end, Todd.
But even if I see peace in you, I’m not sure Pastor or Caramel. They both have mistakes that the peaceful should not make. If these are 2 mafias, then I have nothing to reproach myself for, because I have not seen the city with which I could play against them.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:55:05
Day 4 Exit Poll

(1): Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299419#msg1299419)
  (1): pastor chivay (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299510#msg1299510)
(2): Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299544#msg1299544), Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299545#msg1299545)

No vote (2): ,

Deadline SAT 7 PM. 5 minutes left!!!!!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:56:34
It would be quick end if one of us already intimidated. But this is still funny.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:56:50
Now Shiori will say that he is not going to die and will even.
I am waiting for a peaceful voice with me, I will not change.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:56:57
sry failed in excitement :S
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:59:15
I don't have a reason to change my vote, but so be it just in case of intimidation. Mouse won't go down anyway.

Shiori
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 15:59:55
If four die, it will be even epic.

Oh, so four won't die.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:01:20
I don't have a reason to change my vote, but so be it just in case of intimidation. Mouse won't go down anyway.
Well you read the explanation. If the Mouse on negativity skittered so smartly under Marple that he even thought up the fact that he should not be attributed to Poppins to Rogue, then he has earned my trust now.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:01:31
Well, this is your choice...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:04:27
Day closed! Lemme some time to write the result...
You can think about your NAs for now ^^
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:04:45
Well you read the explanation. If the Mouse on negativity skittered so smartly under Marple that he even thought up the fact that he should not be attributed to Poppins to Rogue, then he has earned my trust now.

I've read, and cannot give argument right away. I'll look in this matter a bit later.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:04:57
the last word
You still have some time.
You did not vote, which was also a factor for voting against.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:07:57
Shall I cut the 24 hours limit? Everyone seem quite active.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:08:51
Shall I cut the 24 hours limit? Everyone seem quite active.

Yup
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:09:22
Day closed! Lemme some time to write the result...
You can think about your NAs for now ^^
For the two mafia in the game except for Shiori and Invictu, the statement is too strange.
So in a pinch, we leave at night as 2-1-1. Strangely enough, you can still work with this.



Shall I cut the 24 hours limit? Everyone seem quite active.
Well, let’s say frankly, I got tired today, and the night at half an hour is not very ready to see.
It depends on the description.

Yup
But you know that you lost a small duel with Caramel, because you did not vote?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:12:44
Shall I cut the 24 hours limit? Everyone seem quite active.

Definitely. The whole game can be finished in several hours. It's common to have blitz-style endings.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:15:11
For the two mafia in the game except for Shiori and Invictu, the statement is too strange.
Time's up, duh!   :wut:
My task is to make sense of it all now. It will take some time. Maybe an hour or so.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:15:37
Yup
But you know that you lost a small duel with Caramel, because you did not vote?

I came back when all already voted for Shiori and day was closed, of course I lost
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:16:25
But you know that you lost a small duel with Caramel, because you did not vote?

He has voted in me several hours ago. Or do you mean something else?

Oh, in Shiori, ok, got it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:17:51
I came back when all already voted for Shiori and day was closed, of course I lost
This is not great. You asked me what I think, and you didn’t come to read the answer to see if I agree to expel Caramel with you - well, or just check what the vote is about.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:19:50
I came back when all already voted for Shiori and day was closed, of course I lost
This is not great. You asked me what I think, and you didn’t come to read the answer to see if I agree to expel Caramel with you - well, or just check what the vote is about.

Yep, cuz I had some personal reasons to be afk for some time. Any questions?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:22:50
Yep, cuz I had some personal reasons to be afk for some time. Any questions?
Yes, you can answer how carefully you read the FAQ, which I read above.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:31:39
Yep, cuz I had some personal reasons to be afk for some time. Any questions?
Yes, you can answer how carefully you read the FAQ, which I read above.

What do you want to hear? I read this from the beginning of the game, wdym? Or this is something about actions? I don't understand

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 16:35:59
Already heard everything I wanted.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 25, 2020, 18:04:33
Day 4 Vote Results

  (1): pastor chivay (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299510#msg1299510)
(3): Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299544#msg1299544), Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299545#msg1299545), Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299551#msg1299551)

No vote (2): ,

... That night shiori, tied and shackled, passed in Newgate with words going off his lips: “Yes... all of us deserve to die.” The gallows were waiting, a crowd was gathering. Suddenly, a wild alpaca herd appeared and attacked the crowd. A number of fellow Londoners fell eaten alive; among the bodies, the remnants of poor InVictA were found. Later, some witness said that in his last minute prior to his death, he was desperately looking around and calling someone whether “dirty” or “wordy”... A minute later, he was consumed by the vile fluffy creatures. Thus, in due time a swinging corpse was all that remained of the cyan-haired girl from the land of the rising sun, and a well-known bowler hat—from a man with a peculiarly-spelled nickname.

Night 5 starts. Please, send me your orders. Deadline SAT 9 AM. 12 hours left.
(I'll start writing a newspaper as soon as I get all the NAs though. I just don't think I'm able to write it this evening, so expect it around noon.)

Still alive (4):

01.
13.
14.
15.

Not-so-much-alive (1):

02. =>
03.
04.
05.
06.
07.
08.
09.
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Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 19:25:00
and a well-known bowler hat

And we all thought, where is Jeeves. Looks like he is. And he called his master Berti (Bertram) Wooster. Since the game is still ongoing, we only have one of the mafiosi. Shiori was eliminated as the avenger Todd, as expected from him.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 25, 2020, 20:56:40
I'll leave the last word here in case I'll be shot tonight.


First of all, there most likely will be a hint, which has to be interpreted.

There are only 3 players to talk about.

01.  pastor chivay - I'm really upset, that you didn't believe me, but seems you never planned to. I don't think, that my behaviour changed that much. Shiori was incorrectly described by him.
Looking at a phrase by Pastor about me, that he has some info against me - I can assume, that he is something like Alice and incorrectly interpreted an answer. But still, he can be mafia, if Mouse was second in his list, but after all, I was a target.

15.  Uranium235 - he made an interesting twist in the game as I was almost sure, that I'll be lynched. I guess have to say thanks, but it brings new responsibility.

Uranium235 can be mafia, that's why he lured town in such direction. I'm the easiest prey to be lynched tomorrow (either Mouse or Pastor will gladly vote against me no matter what I will say), so it gives the best chances to win.

But also such a move is well-calculated it seems. If there is only 1 active mafia left - maniac lynch will lead to easier day-play.

Both moves are very good from either mafia/town player, so he'll have to be judged carefully.


14.  Anony-mouse - he escaped death once again during the day. I'm sure if statements about Julik were based on ability or was just a pure coincidence. Anyway, I still see a direct contradiction with Marple. Cannot forget it, no.
If he is the last mafia - there should be a hint to him in the last night kill. The first link is more direct to the topic - there is a medicine + sedative drugs promoted by our lovely Mickey Mouse! Second is a link to a similarly named sedative drug. Unfortunately, I missed that idea before.


https://www.messynessychic.com/2013/07/30/that-time-mickey-mouse-was-a-drug-dealer/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Finn_(drugs)

So, for now, I give 85% of being mafia to Anony-mouse.  Uranium will have 10% and Pastor 5%.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 21:18:30
... That night shiori, tied and shackled, passed in Newgate with words going off his lips: “Yes... all of us deserve to die.” The gallows were waiting, a crowd was gathering. Suddenly, a wild alpaca herd appeared and attacked the crowd. A number of fellow Londoners fell eaten alive; among the bodies, the remnants of poor InVictA were found. Later, some witness said that in his last minute prior to his death, he was desperately looking around and calling someone whether “dirty” or “wordy”... A minute later, he was consumed by the vile fluffy creatures. Thus, in due time a swinging corpse was all that remained of the cyan-haired girl from the land of the rising sun, and a well-known bowler hat—from a man with a peculiarly-spelled nickname.
As expected, it is impossible to precisely name the role of Shiori.

Oliver twist
The Proletarian. Oliver managed to bring his high ideals through the rough life. By founding the Post-Trotskyist movement, he hopes to bring the “cryptofascist plutocrat scum”, as he only calls the Queen's rule, to the knees.
Status: mischievous.
Weapon: manacles.

Of course, if Invicta is Jeeves, then he cannot be any Oliver. And this probability was acceptable for me before. Hat bowler hat confirms. But what does it have to do with it:
“Dirty” or “wordy” I do not know.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 21:30:00
In general, purely theoretically, I can imagine 2 mafias in the game.
But probably not, if so, then you still can’t beat, there are no fools in the mafia at all.

Let's try something about the fact that the maniac is still alive. I don’t like that so little time is left, I personally haven’t figured it out yet, and I suspect no one is going to talk to me before the night's limit.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 21:42:29
But what does it have to do with it:
“Dirty” or “wordy” I do not know.

I already said this is "Bertie". Bertie Wooster and Reginald Jeeves are the heroes of many Woodhouse books.

What about Shiori, it seems to me that we should focus not on the shackles, but on his words, which are more characteristic of the crazy avenger Todd than Oliver, the character from the book with a classic happy ending.



Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 21:48:23
In appearance, Jeeves is described as "tall and dark and impressive".[38] On multiple occasions, Bertie states that Jeeves has "finely chiselled features", and a large head, which seems to Bertie to indicate intelligence. As Bertie says, Jeeves is "a godlike man in a bowler hat with grave, finely chiselled features and a head that stuck out at the back, indicating great brain power".[39] Bertie also describes Jeeves's eyes as gleaming with intelligence

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeeves#Age_and_appearance

Perhaps this is enough for me.
Shiori Jeeves had Julik.
We throw out Oliver.
He also did not formally throw back Alice and Griffin. But the description of the execution does not suit them too well.
The musical deepened Todd’s character, depicting him as a falsely convicted barber who seeks revenge against the people who have wronged him.
But this is suitable, although of course, the fact that he is depicted as a clear criminal can mean simple execution.
The connection between Newgate and Fleet Street I was looking for. There is no direct one, well, except that both are related to London City.

In general, if you find a hint of one of the other two roles, let me know while Todd is coming.


Okay, let's play from the fact that Poppins remains the last mafia against 3 players in the city.
I’m not sure what to do, but we’ll try. To begin with, let us recall once again who the 3 other mafas are.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 21:59:53
My bid is saved. Brother (Shiori admitted that he is a mafia, but he has information on the dead), Messor (Her Majesty’s hand, and probable Moro, who had to be killed in order for Poppins to become the boss) and Dmksin (Hyde, as we know, is a rather rude person, quite may strike.Do not confuse with Jekyll, a highly cultured doctor).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 22:03:46
If he is the last mafia - there should be a hint to him in the last night kill. The first link is more direct to the topic - there is a medicine + sedative drugs promoted by our lovely Mickey Mouse! Second is a link to a similarly named sedative drug. Unfortunately, I missed that idea before.

Such a hint is theoretically possible. Although it should be pointed out that in my avatar Mickey Mouse is secondary - he is just a demonstration of a pun in writing the word "anonymous".
But this is a well-known fact - a significant part of the hints can be tied to many players.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 22:09:14
If your mafas are different (Caramel must be different), I'm waiting for an alternative version.
The choice is not too rich. Sue and Goose just can't be, they are victims.
SamPaya Shiori called Robin, and he knows best.
Only the results of two votes remain, Putin-mod and Dryusha.
Moreover, Dryusha is guaranteed to fall if you replace Dmksin. Now one maf would hit the other, no, there is very likely shown not only a hint of Hyde, but also the fact that the players have different teams.

Actually, I am waiting for the reaction of the Pastor and Caramel, too, the Mouse will think to me and will say that I’m right around and well done in terms of naming the roles of the mafia, he also has, as far as I remember.

There is such a thing.
I suspected this mouse most of the game. While Caramel and Pastor walked peacefully or so.
And as I have been reproached, I am still alive. A logical explanation - I did not see the mafia by the mafia. Still, the lack of experience playing with me affects me, I was sure they were sure that this would continue.

This is also a factor that I took into account.
In general, I take into account a lot of things, just not everything makes sense to tell.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 25, 2020, 22:20:59
And since such a game has begun, I will remind our dear Kara_Mel about at least peppermint caramels. Peppermint, peppermint oil and menthol are part of many sedatives - validol, valocordin, corvalol.

Do not thank.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 22:22:03
In general, maf, you know how many years I play the mafia, and have never been among the last three players, I always die before.
Don’t spoil my statistics, yes, it probably already became obvious to you that if I didn’t understand you, I’ll understand very soon, because the peaceful one will have a dialogue with me and you don’t. And if you go, I’ll calculate on the contradiction.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 25, 2020, 23:36:05
Please, if you work with evidence, then work competently.
1. Always start from the character. GM comes up with evidence looking at the character.
2. Wiki transitions are desirable (English, I think). At least in one direction, that is, from the character to the evidence. On the contrary, it does not always happen. If there is no transition in the article itself, then this should be something obvious.

What you two proposed does not quite satisfy the conditions; I can rivet such clumsy hints against everyone, only sense. Work fine. They took the nickname of the suspect, took the Wikipedia page, which do you think is related to his profile. From her clicked on the link to the next. Then a few more times, until you get to the page sedatives. If there is no hyperlink (blue), then I can consider this evidence only if the transition itself is absolutely logical. No need to search elsewhere, the presenter does not invent complexity, he takes the top page from the search on the Internet, and acts from it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 02:38:43
official last word.
If I understood the situation correctly, then I will not be able to die today. In general, this will practically prove the Caramel to the mafia if I stay alive (except for the case when there will be no murders at all, but we can say about it tomorrow).
But if, nevertheless, my death happens, then Caramel is not obtained by the mafia.
Think about where I can have such confidence, because I am writing a will before the expiration of the night limit.
So caramel. Now I am inclined to believe that you are the mafia. But if suddenly this is not so, then I will not be in this game tomorrow to somehow influence you.
Do not get confined to the Mafia Mouse version in this case, there is a simple way to distinguish between this and the Pastor mafia. Just find him.
Mouse. If, after my death, Caramel turns to Pastor with you, you may be surprised, but it is really possible, I dare to hope that it will happen quite likely, think what is the reason (well, apart from this will, of course). Add 2 + 2 and make a choice. In general, an error will be almost impossible if you connect both convolutions and understand the meaning of this will.
Pastor. And you are the last written in the will, is it not because I wanted you to read it to the end?
So, you will know the mafia for sure tomorrow if I die and if I don’t die either. First, try not to die yourself, so as not to put me in an uncomfortable position. You are a saint.
And secondly, what follows from the first, it will not be enough for you to know the mafia yourself, you also need another peaceful person to know that you yourself are not a mafia, and this is not so difficult. But to prove that you are not a camel is much more difficult, and it will be your mistake if you cannot convince the peaceful in this case.
I think those who were killed yesterday let me conclude that everything will work out.

Work by will, please.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 26, 2020, 07:05:10
Very nice last word, Uranium, but after it, mafia highly likely won't kill you. It's such safe bet leaving me and any 2 of you 3 alive. I have no idea how to prove that I'm the town player. And even if I had - neither of you all will listen to me. Seems like a dead end.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 09:03:11
This game each player have a role.
The situation have way to win, if you think.
Reverse information - great power.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 26, 2020, 13:17:41
The Courier New

Day 5



            Plot Twisted. Are We Out Of Murderers?


This week does not stop amazing. At this critical moment, we once again have no citizens doomed to end their life tonight. This is a confusingly strange development of events if you contrast it to last voting's fierce invasion of the overseas beasts. It would be too early to call the night completely peaceful, however, as we still had one victim of an assault. It was Kara_Mel who reported about getting shot. Her wound was said to be of grave danger; nevertheless, we can see today that she feels better and is able to continue participating in our struggle. Was it mere luck, some mysterious stranger's service, or the result of her own efforts? We cannot say right now.

            — Fergus Fume



            The Very Last Days


The last days are upon us, and the ugly trifles of existence begin to drive us to madness like the small drops of water torturers let fall ceaselessly upon one spot of their victim's body. In my dreams, through the ghoul-guarded gateways of slumber, past the wan-mooned abysses of night, I am living o'er my lives without number, I am sounding all things with my sight. Fergus, Agatha, Arthur, you make a mean Chunky Monkey, but your typed syllables taste funky. Whilst foul calamity hits us like a mighty hamster, my fevered brain keeps burning faster.

Never explain anything.

            — George E. G. Watt



            Our cherished Friends,

We are saddened to admit that with the shrinking audience, we are also about to be left the smaller staff. Our beloved George E. G. Watt is struggling with severe consequences that befell upon him due to the stress of self-isolation and latest news. This tragic fate might reach any of us these days. While illegal business is thriving, the government finds itself on the brink of collapse after fierce internal clashes. Whether it will manage to stand in this decisive struggle with anti-government movement or not, we cannot say. In any case: please be cautious, act wisely, and take care of yourselves. And oh, at least we're still receiving some correspondence, no matter how intimidating its content is!

            — Many blessings,
              Chief Editor




It all has come to an end! Be witnesses of the rise of a new Regime. You, rebels, who dared to come against the will of the Queen, you deserve nothing but death. However... I'm powerless to stop a marching horde with my bare hands. You have just to make one right final decision, to pull the trigger once—and all it will be over.
I knew for a long time that such end is inevitable, but you have left me drowning in my despair to see the last day of our bloody drama!
I hope the challenges I have provided to you at least entertained you.
With new shreds of evidence, I am hardly able to escape your deadly grasp. But the hope was at the bottom of Pandora's box, and likewise, I still will have one last chance. The win to the fittest!
—The Last of the Hand




Day 5 has started. Deadline TUE, 4 PM. 48 hours left.


Still with us (4):

01.
13.
14.
15.

See you CyberBois... (11):

02. =>
03.
04.
05.
06.
07.
08.
09.
10.
11.
12.

PS: sorry, words were against me today :( I hope this wall of text isn't too dull
Day 5 has started. Deadline TUE, 4 PM. 48 hours left.
But we might reduce the day to 24 or 36 hours if you agree on it until 10 PM today
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 14:20:27
OK. What do we have. Kara_Mel was attacked and she survived. So, either the mafia attacked her, but she had protection / treatment, or Mary Poppins is pumping up the drama, destroying her own defense - if doctors can treat themselves, it’s not surprising that a killer can shoot himself.

Consider the first option. Biggles has protection, but if he had been attacked, he would have fired back. Yes and there is little doubt that Biggles was someone other than Putin.mod2

The next is Oliver. Oliver was the twice-surviving Julik1221. Unless, of course, we assume that on the first night she was saved, not thanks to her own defense, but for some other reason.

Sherlock was Drusha, according to the description of death. And besides, he himself tried to hint at the importance of his role for the townspeople.

So who is left with us? And we also have Orlando. This is not to say that we have absolute confidence that Orlando has left us. The description of the death of Goose leaves some room for interpretation.

So maybe Kara_Mel - Orlando? In general, the quickest way to check this is to hang it. Orlando cannot be lynched.
If she is Orlando, then everything will be exactly the same as if everyone votes together “do not hang anyone.”

But, since today the most dangerous thing is to hang someone who is not a mafia, I suggest that we simply vote "do not hang anyone." At night, someone will be killed and we will have a new hint on the killer.

But if we hang an innocent, then at night another citizen will be killed, and the next day the last townsman and killer will hang each other - all died. Not very funny for town.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 14:33:01
And ... just in case Alice is alive. I would like to give her advice - now it’s much less useful for you to redirect those you suspect. Even if you redirect the killer, you won’t be sure that the murder was committed by the one you transferred. But if you received information about the type of player’s actions, you would be much more confident in who he can be and who he cannot. Of course, if you survive.

Oh, and I missed the note. Two tons of pathos, 30% fat content. Not at all funny.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 26, 2020, 14:41:23
I've been shot but I was prepared. Well, I cannot say anything role-related directly, but I would like to suggest you see my previous analysis. There is a way to found who am I and what my role is according to role assessments and interpretation, that has been made.

Mouse's analysis has incorrect points in it. Try to find it via my analysis and bear in mind what I have said before about the way I present data.

What else... Seems like Shiori was a Todd after all.


But the main question is yet to be solved - who out of you 3 is Mafia.
Anony-mouse aka Miss Marple, pastor chivay aka Gooselover or Uranium235 the most logical player ever.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 26, 2020, 14:50:13
And ... just in case Alice is alive. I would like to give her advice - now it’s much less useful for you to redirect those you suspect. Even if you redirect the killer, you won’t be sure that the murder was committed by the one you transferred. But if you received information about the type of player’s actions, you would be much more confident in who he can be and who he cannot. Of course, if you survive.

Dear, tell me, where you saw the hint then?


 The fact that Kara_Mel was a victim gave me hope, but not really. And yours suspects where Cara is Orlando have no sense, for me that Goose's descritpion seems like literary device. Why shall we hang the one who not a mafia/maniac? Just to check? What if I'll hang you? Just to check, I promise, y'know, you are anon and Orlando is... kind of anon!

Well, Cara may be Oliver, if only it was not Julik. But it still looks a bit surrealistic—this picture where inactive player was curied at the first night. But maybe Sherlock's target was based on random, so I don't know
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 15:01:34
Kara_Mel, dear, so which of the three of us wrote the note? I strongly hope that you will not insist on the authorship of Uranus, ha ha! It is not in the style of a pastor too, he has enough posts for comparison. I AM? Knowledge of the language would be enough for me, yes. But here's a funny thing - for the mafia there is no point in writing this note if he is going to kill a townsman. But if he imitates a suicide attempt, then this note is to his advantage.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 15:13:03
,
 The fact that Kara_Mel was a victim gave me hope, but not really. And yours suspects where Cara is Orlando have no sense, for me that Goose's descritpion seems like literary device. Why shall we hang the one who not a mafia/maniac? Just to check? What if I'll hang you? Just to check, I promise, y'know, you are anon and Orlando is... kind of anon!

I’m just looking through the options, what exactly could help Kara_Mel survive. And then I listed urban roles with defenses / cures. Plus Orlando. Plus the suicidal Poppins. If you have other options, then correct me. List what other urban roles could survive the attempted murder? Kara_Mel herself does not want to do this.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 15:21:28
Do not kick anyone the right decision now, I think.
Pastor, you won’t argue with me, right?
I admit, the situation is a bit different from the one I was counting on. But that’s not bad either.
Mafia can not be two, they would have won. I think Todd dropped out in the face of Shiori. So there was only Poppins left.
And now I will tell you what the reverse information is, and why it is strong, if you didn’t understand it from the will yesterday.
If a player is transferred by Alice, he receives information about the transfer, you were transferred to a new target.
If, for example, Sherlock or Griffin makes an offer to someone, the player will know that he has received the offer.
Similarly for the blocker (well, for the future).
Now you understand why the situation was not bad yesterday, and since no one was killed, it only got better?
no one

And the night will show everything.
Objections I wait with arguments, urban player 3, object maf, I do not think that it is beneficial to you.
And you are alone, 3 voices in no one can be interrupted by 1 vote in someone.
But I’ll tell you a secret, even if there was no right to vote in nobody, then a draw, subject to 4 players with 4 votes, is also done.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 26, 2020, 15:23:35
Kara_Mel, dear, so which of the three of us wrote the note? I strongly hope that you will not insist on the authorship of Uranus, ha ha! It is not in the style of a pastor too, he has enough posts for comparison. I AM? Knowledge of the language would be enough for me, yes. But here's a funny thing - for the mafia there is no point in writing this note if he is going to kill a townsman. But if he imitates a suicide attempt, then this note is to his advantage.

As far as I got - this note can be from someone who has already died. Also (I think so, correct me if I'm wrong) it follows some kind of censorship. Do you really think, that suicidal Poppins would left note with such contents? Seriously?! Plus note is not an official part of the newspaper, so I deliberately didn't read it before you mention it.

It's even funny how aggressively you're coming against me, Miss Marple. I need time to think who of you can get a benefit from killing me. That doesn't mean I forgot all things I have said, no, but it requires time to sort out things. Later.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 15:25:14
no one


I have no objections. The safest move.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 26, 2020, 15:29:16
If that's how I can prove everything - alright.

No one


Another small magic trick. Time magic - Summon Clockkeeper! 3 votes are here - maybe the night can be started now?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 26, 2020, 15:40:11
Time magic - Summon Clockkeeper (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ARb8scMLfY)
I'll discuss this in PM with everybody and then make a decision. I certainly don't want to prolong the game for another 3-5 days, but I'm not sure how heavily I should reduce the deadline(s).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 15:40:37
Caramel, take your time.
We have not yet discussed the newspaper, we must give everyone the opportunity to argue with the action plan.
Haste is needed when catching fleas. And the city is profitable to use the time, every hour of discussion worsens the chances of the mafia.

In the end, I look forward to opinions about dropouts from everyone. Full-fledged, which is absolutely legal, to express their version of the description, without question marks or options.
It takes time to write them, and suddenly this data will help someone make a better move.
You can start now if you are in a hurry.

This week does not stop amazing. At this critical moment, we once again have no citizens doomed to end their life tonight. This is a confusingly strange development of events if you contrast it to last voting's fierce invasion of the overseas beasts. It would be too early to call the night completely peaceful, however, as we still had one victim of an assault. It was Kara_Mel who reported about getting shot. Her wound was said to be of grave danger; nevertheless, we can see today that she feels better and is able to continue participating in our struggle. Was it mere luck, some mysterious stranger's service, or the result of her own efforts? We cannot say right now.
I can not and will not throw out the probability of poppins self-shooting. I will not affirm it, but this is not a forbidden move. I think she herself will agree with me that it’s easier for the mafia to win when there are four players left than when there are three.
But in any case, a cunning move or just luck that it was there that the switch was sent, we got one more night, and we will use it as useful as possible.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 15:52:33
We are saddened to admit that with the shrinking audience, we are also about to be left the smaller staff. Our beloved George E. G. Watt is struggling with severe consequences that befell upon him due to the stress of self-isolation and latest news. This tragic fate might reach any of us these days. While illegal business is thriving, the government finds itself on the brink of collapse after fierce internal clashes. Whether it will manage to stand in this decisive struggle with anti-government movement or not, we cannot say. In any case: please be cautious, act wisely, and take care of yourselves. And oh, at least we're still receiving some correspondence, no matter how intimidating its content is!
As you remember, the government is our mafia, and again we are talking about internal clashes. It is so pale that it’s even ridiculous.
And who are the representatives of the illegal business in roles, you can tell yourself, I will abstain for now, perhaps later.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 16:05:25
So, I imagine how the mafia thinks:
What Uranus is a nasty, stuffy, too neat player. He could win a long time ago, but pulls the rubber and the cat.

I show the correct game of the city (and the mafia by the way, too). Use the resources at your disposal, plan the situation ahead. Create conflicts, because this is information, and extinguish them if you see that players can not do this without your help. Count votes, coordinate efforts (buy hands, that is, players who are ready to vote with you against other peaceful ones, if you are a mafia). Do not let emotions prevail if you know that this is not your strongest part - and use if you are good.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 26, 2020, 16:37:07
Well, for now I have nothing to say and my voice is unlikely to affect anything, so
Nobody.One


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 16:44:38
Well, for now I have nothing to say and my voice is unlikely to affect anything, so
You can analyze the newspaper and arrange the roles of all those who left, especially the mafia, since most likely we are looking for the latter. Is it bad to study how the connection between the mafia usually looks?
And of course, I, as a mentor, are interested in what you understood about the reverse information - an extremely useful thing, by the way, in full-role games.

The faster everyone speaks out, the faster the day will be shortened.
As soon as it becomes clear that there is nothing more to say, it will be possible to start the night. But it’s stupid to curl up before everyone has talked.
Because you need to force the mafia to speak too. You can’t even imagine how hard it is to play against your words, and how to falsely say nothing when others have thoughts.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 17:37:48
It's even funny how aggressively you're coming against me, Miss Marple.

Sweetheart, the reason was the note. This is your logical mistake.

You should always look for the answer to the question "who benefits from this?"

1) If we do not look in the note for hidden meanings, that is, to consider that its author is a mafioso who expects to commit the murder of this night, then for him it does not give any practical benefit.

2) If we assume that its author is a cunning mafia who imitates suicide, then the benefit is obvious to him. After all, if he was attacked, then the mafioso is definitely not him (if you believe the note).

3) Finally, there is a third option. What if someone, let’s say me, wants to pass off his victim as a suicide Poppins? And for me, such a note would be very, extremely useful. But there is a nuance. I must know in advance that Kara_Mel will not die. And yet, I must be sure that they will not transfer me. And if about the last point, we can say that I considered Alice dead in my analysis. That, how would I know that Kara_Mel will not die?
I do not see such an opportunity.

Thus, the note is practical only for a fake suicide.

I am very calm and even passive when I see many options. But, if I'm sure that I see mafiosi, then I will not delay the attack on him in the topic.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 17:57:28
Mouse, that's enough to swear with her. We already understood your mutual discontent, but there are chances when you have to act together, right? The peaceful is unlikely to have absolute certainty. You can always play against each other, it will not run away.
Better write again the roles of the corpses (only without the living, please), the most likely scenario for the arrangement in your world.
This will only win you. It does not look better than the one who attacks all the time, but the one who is able to get out of the conflict on his own on a neutral topic. Against such a background, the aggressor looks sad, because his actions do not help him find his mistake or earn the trust of others.

As you know, I rather agree with you about Poppins shooting himself.
But you need to provide opportunities to correct the error. No new information can be found in the mutual accusations. But the refusal to look for them will prove that the player is not looking at all.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 18:11:30
In the end, I look forward to opinions about dropouts from everyone.

02.  CyberKeanu =>  Dmixn - Scrooge(frock coat + manners + hostility to the representative of the urban faction)
03.  Putin mod.2 - Biggles(vocabulary + sonorous voice + нe caused the death of the attacking Dmixn - a reference to the ability of "Veteran". )
04.  Sue Sharlin - LIZ (I don’t think it’s necessary to discuss)
05.  l10ha - probably Orlando(indications of it are unclear (possible self-medication + sleeping Charlemagne with his knights), but we can recall that the Goose was not too bothered in the game. Orlando only needs to survive.)
06.  Falcon hunting - doctor Moreau(confidant of Queen, which was mentioned in the description of his death)
07.  shiori - Sweeney Todd(the presence of protection + dying phrase, characteristic of the crazy and gloomy avenger who lost everything)
08.  Drusha - Sherlock(a description of death + a message about the importance of his role + attempts to give advice for the city at the very end)
09.  Bratuxa777 - Jekill-Hyde(for me nothing changed here)
10.  Julik1221 - Oliver(twice survived)
11.  SamPie - must be Robin(press F to pay respect - meme)
12.  InVictA - Jeeves(bowler hat + "Bertie")

So I'm absolutely sure - Marple, Alice, Griffin and Poppins are in the game.

09.  Bratuxa777 - Jekill-Hyde(for me nothing changed here)

In general, a desktop + a double name in which Mr. Hyde is simply an appeal to a certain person, and Dr. Jekyll is an appeal to a person occupying a certain position and belonging to a certain profession.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 18:32:32
05.  l10ha - probably Orlando(indications of it are unclear (possible self-medication + sleeping Charlemagne with his knights), but we can recall that the Goose was not too bothered in the game. Orlando only needs to survive.)
It was not self-medication. It was ignored protection of Orlando.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 26, 2020, 18:45:36
Okay guys, I think we're ready to close the day. If I'll give you a couple more hours to have some talk, declare Night 6 around midnight and give you 12 hours to make your orders—will it be okay with you? I'd really like to start Day 6 no later than tomorrow noon.
(All the answers go to PM as usual!!)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 19:15:01
02.  CyberKeanu =>  Dmixn - Scrooge(frock coat + manners + hostility to the representative of the urban faction)
03.  Putin mod.2 - Biggles(vocabulary + sonorous voice + нe caused the death of the attacking Dmixn - a reference to the ability of "Veteran". )
04.  Sue Sharlin - LIZ (I don’t think it’s necessary to discuss)
05.  l10ha - probably Orlando(indications of it are unclear (possible self-medication + sleeping Charlemagne with his knights), but we can recall that the Goose was not too bothered in the game. Orlando only needs to survive.)
06.  Falcon hunting - doctor Moreau(confidant of Queen, which was mentioned in the description of his death)
07.  shiori - Sweeney Todd(the presence of protection + dying phrase, characteristic of the crazy and gloomy avenger who lost everything)
08.  Drusha - Sherlock(a description of death + a message about the importance of his role + attempts to give advice for the city at the very end)
09.  Bratuxa777 - Jekill-Hyde(for me nothing changed here)
10.  Julik1221 - Oliver(twice survived)
11.  SamPie - must be Robin(press F to pay respect - meme)
12.  InVictA - Jeeves(bowler hat + "Bertie")
I have almost the same, in fact, with the exception that Bratukha is Scrooge (business), and Dmksin is Hyde (from what he read, he is a lover of dissolving his hands and bumping someone).
However, I will not argue that there are no other interpretations of the list, they simply are not basic. In the end, if Alice and Griffin are alive, they manifest themselves as a translation or sentence, similarly if Sherlock is alive, for example.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 19:23:09
I have almost the same, in fact, with the exception that Bratukha is Scrooge (business), and Dmksin is Hyde (from what he read, he is a lover of dissolving his hands and bumping someone).

In general, if you think about it, then Hyde could be in a frock coat. And he was even rougher than Scrooge. Well, perhaps this is a very possible option. I guess I was just too passionate about my initial idea of ​​the squabbled old moneylender Scrooge.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 19:29:24
How difficult it is for the last mafa, you just imagine.
The first night the shot did not pass. The next - the maniac killed one. The second is completely silent. The third merged, in fact, asking for a modkill.
Imagine in such a situation, still gather with at least some forces and continue the struggle.
Against a clean showdown

In fact, I had some difficulties in order to restore the picture of the shots.
After all, Shiori could not shoot himself, which means that the mafia shot him.
If Moro Messor, then he was offline, and they generally could not shoot, since only the boss sends the move. Perhaps, in fact, he was not completely disconnected. Well, or there is some possibility of a different interpretation.
In general, on the first night, Oliver took 1 into himself - it is not clear whether he defended someone in himself or successfully, but it does not matter.
Where the second shot - in theory, should be in the block. But if our blocker is Sampai, then it’s impossible to understand from his rhetoric exactly who he blocted, that is, you can’t assume the mafia or maniac in the block.
On the third night, Todd didn’t get a shot (if he is Shiori).
One can only guess where, but there are quite a few options, in fact, including the ability of Orlando to block someone.
And if Goose is really Orlando, then after this murder the mafia’s low morale should have fallen to the bottom, because Orlando is not dangerous to them, and is quite capable of helping the mafia just for the sake of pleasure (and the city can do little about it).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 19:36:25
How difficult it is for the last mafa, you just imagine.
The first night the shot did not pass. The next - the maniac killed one. The second is completely silent. The third merged, in fact, asking for a modkill.
Imagine in such a situation, still gather with at least some forces and continue the struggle.
Against a clean showdown

Very difficult. I always respect the good mafia game. Since they need to do double work - to pretend to be a good city dweller plus do their own work. Therefore, most often mafiosi are disguised as very mediocre citizens. But with all due respect, if I can stop them from winning, I will try to do it)


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 19:54:52
But I still expect the Pastor to talk to us.
Because, according to the formal criterion of the mafia, he is quite stretched on a demoral.
Yesterday, he could have ruined the day like that, Shiori could have voted by making a draw, and Caramel’s voice was optional. That is, one might think in such a way that the three peaceful voted together, so it didn’t work out so much to come up with negatives.
Actually, if Pastor and Caramel were two worlds, with a very high probability the mafia would add along with one of them, and Shiori, who was uninteresting to add a third to hang on to.
Therefore, I don’t trust Mice is quite difficult, because if he is a maf, then missed a good chance yesterday. A similar logic can be applied to vote Caramel in the Mouse - if the Pastor is a mafia, then it would be easiest for him to add a second vote, hoping that Shiori will give a third to someone from (which actually is the difference).
But Shiori was not very active, and in general, there are not such experts in collecting votes and I understand the situation in order to rely 100% on these factors.
But they have a place to be, only the Pastor does not want to come and say, "Uranus, you are right, I also think I’ll agree with what you’re saying," or "look, here you have a mistake."
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 26, 2020, 20:13:29
This is comply with my previous analysis, if something not clear - I will repeat.

02.  Dmixn - Marple
03.  Putin mod.2 - Biggles
04.  Sue Sharlin - LIZ
05.  l10ha - Orlando
06.  Falcon hunting - Hyde or Poppins
07.  shiori -  Todd
08.  Drusha - Moreau the Artie
09.  Bratuxa777 - Scrooge
10.  Julik1221 - Oliver
11.  SamPie - Robin
12.  InVictA - Jeeves

Roles in the game - Sherlock, Alice, Griffin and Poppins/Hyde.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 20:24:51
No, Hyde doesn't fit.
The last maf (well, except Poppins) can shoot along with the action. It is unlikely that there is an option so that in such a situation he could not get caught if he was going to kill.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 26, 2020, 20:33:18
No, Hyde doesn't fit.
The last maf (well, except Poppins) can shoot along with the action. It is unlikely that there is an option so that in such a situation he could not get caught if he was going to kill.

I just don't see a clue to Falcon role, so it's just a guess.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 26, 2020, 20:38:38
Day 5 Vote Results

NOTA (4): Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299620#msg1299620), Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299622#msg1299622), Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299623#msg1299623), pastor chivay (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299628#msg1299628)



Night 6 starts. Please, send me your orders. Deadline MON 12 AM. 12 hours left.

Still alive (4):

01.
13.
14.
15.

Not-so-much-alive (11):

02. =>
03.
04.
05.
06.
07.
08.
09.
10.
11.
12.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 20:40:44
I don't like live Hyde.
Goose killed Poppins with ignore protection / treatment, this is in the newspaper.
Also, the number of hacks was significantly reduced, which indicates that the blockers are dead.
I’m not ready to play against such evidence from this; alternative explanations are needed in this case.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 20:45:40
This is comply with my previous analysis, if something not clear - I will repeat.

02.  Dmixn - Marple
03.  Putin mod.2 - Biggles
04.  Sue Sharlin - LIZ
05.  l10ha - Orlando
06.  Falcon hunting - Hyde or Poppins
07.  shiori -  Todd
08.  Drusha - Moreau the Artie
09.  Bratuxa777 - Scrooge
10.  Julik1221 - Oliver
11.  SamPie - Robin
12.  InVictA - Jeeves

Roles in the game - Sherlock, Alice, Griffin and Poppins/Hyde.


Goose was killed by Mary Poppins on the 4th night. Bratuxa was killed on the 2nd night. If Drusha is your doctor Moro, then he was executed on the 2nd day, Falcon - your third maf came under modkill on the 3rd night.

That is, before Mary Poppins killed Goose, three mafiosi have already dropped out of you. Mary Poppins should have been left alone. But from somewhere you have a possible Hyde.

It’s very useful for the mafia to try to use as vague interpretations of roles as possible, but sometime you still need to stop.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 26, 2020, 20:56:07
I'm really tired of this quarrel. If I'm mafia and I'm that BAD why don't you lynched me?! If I'm mafia - find a hint on me in the text! Go 'head!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 21:00:10
If I'm mafia and I'm that BAD why don't you lynched me?!

You are far from bad. In fact, you are a very good mafia. You’re just unaccustomed to this format and you had to drag the whole team on yourself (as I see it). But in general, we should say this after the game)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 21:12:34
I'm really tired of this quarrel. If I'm mafia and I'm that BAD why don't you lynched me?! If I'm mafia - find a hint on me in the text! Go 'head!

You to me?
I do not presume to say that you are a 100% mafia. There is also a Pastor.
The fact that Shiori is a maniac I calculated with greater accuracy. In theory, today all points should have risen over i, but you both did not analyze the newspaper, and the Pastor has not yet named who is peaceful and who is the mafia (by the way, too, a post that I have to choose from three cannot be considered sufficient evidence that someone has enough peace).
For example, there are things that blockers and doctors should do - the analyst where the shot went when it was not enough. Because they have information. It is clear that the demand from the 1-post player is small, but from others it is.
And you sit in silence both. If only the night faster, and talk? Give information or confirm the lack of information, draw conclusions. And then, with the understanding of what happened, it is possible at night.

If the situation is as you paint, then 3 peaceful roles with power actions with feedback will easily be found among themselves, it is difficult to prove Alice's dead a long time ago, for example, to the one who received the transfer today.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 26, 2020, 21:24:31
But I still expect the Pastor to talk to us.
Because, according to the formal criterion of the mafia, he is quite stretched on a demoral.
Yesterday, he could have ruined the day like that, Shiori could have voted by making a draw, and Caramel’s voice was optional. That is, one might think in such a way that the three peaceful voted together, so it didn’t work out so much to come up with negatives.
Actually, if Pastor and Caramel were two worlds, with a very high probability the mafia would add along with one of them, and Shiori, who was uninteresting to add a third to hang on to.
Therefore, I don’t trust Mice is quite difficult, because if he is a maf, then missed a good chance yesterday. A similar logic can be applied to vote Caramel in the Mouse - if the Pastor is a mafia, then it would be easiest for him to add a second vote, hoping that Shiori will give a third to someone from (which actually is the difference).
But Shiori was not very active, and in general, there are not such experts in collecting votes and I understand the situation in order to rely 100% on these factors.
But they have a place to be, only the Pastor does not want to come and say, "Uranus, you are right, I also think I’ll agree with what you’re saying," or "look, here you have a mistake."

I have nothing to say until the night results, really. Actually, I kinda agree with all of u with those player/role analysis, but not fully. For example, I still consider Bratuxa as Scrooge, but then idk who is the Hyde then. Untill that night I thought he is alive, but now it doesn't seem like that. And I suspected Mouse because of his strange desire to hang Kara_Mel, based on fact that he considers her as Orlando. I more prefer version with Mary Poppins now, but still not sure
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 21:32:02
I have nothing to say until the night results, really. Actually, I kinda agree with all of u with those player/role analysis, but not fully. For example, I still consider Bratuxa as Scrooge, but then idk who is the Hyde then. Untill that night I thought he is alive, but now it doesn't seem like that. And I suspected Mouse because of his strange desire to hang Kara_Mel, based on fact that he considers her as Orlando. I more prefer version with Mary Poppins now, but still not sure
I think this true.

Speak of what is sure, it is more useful.
For example, you can tell what interesting you see in the newspaper.
If we assume that you agree with me on the dropped roles in the main version (Hyde - Dmksin, Scrooge killed on the second night).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 26, 2020, 21:42:52
There's no bunch of information I can talk about. But, anyway, phrase "...some mysterious stranger's service, or the result of her own efforts?" may clearly leads to Mary's protection. Or at least Oliver, who somehow survived and was curied, but I already said it. Another part of newspaper not such full of information too.
Спойлер
except George Watt mental problems. R.I.P. Watt's mind :c
So yeah, not much useful
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 21:57:18
So yeah, not much useful
So there is still a lower part from the chief editor, can you really see nothing there?
And anyway, I'm interested in knowing how much you suspect me? Maybe there are some controversial issues - so let's work them out now.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 21:58:17
And I suspected Mouse because of his strange desire to hang Kara_Mel, based on fact that he considers her as Orlando.


I do not see her in the role of Orlando. I just listed the roles that could theoretically survive. Including named the role of Orlando. But if you look at my last analysis, you will see that I excluded all these roles for live players. Only Poppins remained.

And Kara_Mel wants to show himself in the role of Sherlock. But then it turns out that Drusha was not a robot and at the same time managed to remind about the meme with robots after it was sawn with a chain sword. Dr. Moreau is an ordinary person in physiological terms, he is not capable of this.

Perseverance Kara_Mel is very commendable, but that's all that remains for her.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 26, 2020, 22:10:23
Don't you think if I am you-wrote-who - I am fully sure that you're not Marple!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 22:10:54
Mouse, I beg you not to name the role alive. At the mafia, playing in the final against such statements can be harder.
For the same reason, I do not write an action plan for each role with an indication of the purpose, in order to exclude possible interference from peaceful to each other. In full force, if there was such an opportunity, I would definitely write - well, just so that the master of the game would understand what a strong technique this was and the next time he forbade it.
It is not too good not to give negatives a chance. There are very few of them with newspapers, which, with proper analysis, give out indecently a lot of critical information.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 26, 2020, 22:13:09
So there is still a lower part from the chief editor, can you really see nothing there?
And anyway, I'm interested in knowing how much you suspect me? Maybe there are some controversial issues - so let's work them out now.

Not really actually. I have some thoughts about your possible role and it's peaceful. For now it seems to me like that. I'm a bit confused now because I don't know what to think about Mouse and Cara
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 22:14:54
Ladies and Gentlemen, I want to remind you that the ability of the old foe blocks not only the possibility of dating, but also the opportunity of another player to get acquainted with someone who has already disabled the old guard.

And I want to remind you that offers are not blocked. You can block the effect, but the player will receive the offer itself. Even if Hyde is somehow alive, his ability to interfere is extremely limited.

On the first day he could tell all this, but no one asked, uninteresting things, huh?

Not really actually. I have some thoughts about your possible role and it's peaceful. For now it seems to me like that. I'm a bit confused now because I don't know what to think about Mouse and Cara
And what is there to think about?
Read the lists of the dead and everything will become clear.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 26, 2020, 22:20:03
, Okay, I’m just a little tired already. I have not played for a long time and did not expect that I would have to play in the finals.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 26, 2020, 22:21:46
I have said enough. You're smart to have an idea why am I almost certain.

My will - Mouse. Lynch him to over this masquerade of lies and deceptions. Hope no one will die at night (judging by me - there no headshots left). Alice, if you're alive - you're the key to it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 26, 2020, 22:35:35
And the blocker and translator will find out if the target missed the move.
This is redundant information, in my opinion, but it is. I can only advise when creating rules and roles, the author decides how best.

My will - Mouse. Lynch him to over this masquerade of lies and deceptions. Hope no one will die at night (judging by me - there no headshots left). Alice, if you're alive - you're the key to it.
Thank you for the last word (although still too early), I will consider it in case of your death. Will you consider mine?

, For a better understanding of newspapers, by the way, I recommend reading what is in the starting post of the presenter under the prologue spoiler.
For example, it will become clear that the words "corporation" describes the mafia.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 27, 2020, 11:04:10
The Courier New

Day 6



            One More Down. Mexican Standoff?


Due to high professional standards, we are not going to stop spotlight crime news of our Corporation in the face of any hardships we are to endure, my dear friends. First, the Holy Goose passed away, and now his last herald, pastor chivay, was martyred. He was lying beside the riverbank, near the bench, with some dead leaves that had fluttered down from the trees upon his face, and a nibbled bone of a roasted goose clutched in his right hand. Two shots, heart and forehead, stopped his sometimes questionable, yet still full of bliss and wonder, service. Some residents of the area say that the sound of a motorbike woke them up around 5 in the morning. Whoever did it to you, pastor, remember: our honks and prayers are with you.

Another bitter loss struck us personally as no other death before. Our dearest friend, George E. G. Watt, was found dead in her room after the neighbours heard a shot. The gun was found nearby her corpse. No doubt it was a suicide. We all knew that she was struggling lately, and we were trying as hard as we could—but, as we see now, it was not enough. You will be deeply missed, Mimi.

            — Fergus Fume



            Brothers and sisters,


Should I say anything else but how deep our grief is? I'm certain you share our sorrow, as George's texts were something that made our humble newspaper so special. Her wit, passion, and distinctive insights remain nonpareil.

With the discordant religious movement being eliminated and some gains that Corporation made in their desperate attempt to bring the economy back under their control, the tide of history once again makes its future unclear. Still, with all the turmoil we are bound to go through, I believe that better days are getting closer. One more step, and we will finally reach some stability, certainty in the future, and peace. We know, every one of us, that in the end all will be well. Stay strong!

            — May God keep you in his warm and comforting embrace,
              Chief Editor


PS: We still have some correspondence these days. The last message we received didn't make it on time to be printed in this issue, unfortunately, but we'll publish it next time, we promise!




Day 6 has started. Deadline TUE, 2 PM. 24 hours left.


Final Round (3):

13.
14.
15.

Chillin' (13):

01.
02. =>
03.
04.
05.
06.
07.
08.
09.
10.
11.
12.
99. (https://mafiaforum.org/Themes/sand/images/useron.gif) George E. G. Watt
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 27, 2020, 11:07:22
Oh. To the Goose then, right?.. Huh. I expected this anyway. Well, Lord, I hope that you'll win and take revenge for our death. Don't trust anyone, like we did. I guess that "roasted goose" will make you think. Uh... Eh... Huh... :crying:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 11:40:24
Two shots, heart and forehead,

So, there was a headshot left after all. There was no chance for no killed, pity.

sound of a motorbike woke

From Wiki about Mouse:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickey_Mouse

Цитировать
The combined road course at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway used for the F1 U.S. Grand Prix has been described by Jacques Villeneuve and other competitors as "Mickey Mouse"[83] due to its slow uninteresting corners, and lack of challenging corners

=> Motoracing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Motor_Speedway


All other things remained the same. Fake Miss Marple, you've lived long enough. Farewell. Uranium, I don't know why and how you see me as a mafia, but if you read me carefully - all will be understandable.

Anony-mouse


My choice is solid and I see no reason to hold the drama even more. Mouse will vote against me. Uranium's vote is decisive, the fate of the game in his hands.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 11:42:30
, do we need to solve the hint?

, I just would like to tell you that very rarely hints are made through such popular brands as Mickey Mouse. Just because humongous Wikipedia articles provide tremendous scope for any version.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 11:55:54
Congratulate me, for the first time in all my years I was on the last three players.
speakeasy - sometimes questionable
wonder, service - Alice's Adventures in Wonderland

Alice retires, it is extremely difficult to see a failure in two shots due to headshots.

With the discordant religious movement being eliminated and some gains that Corporation made in their desperate attempt to bring the economy back under their control

movement - London’s counterculture movement
Another allusion to Alice.
In the last newspaper, some illegal activity was just some success (= Alice), but alas, the Pastor did not want to write about it explicitly. Now Corporation.

Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark; this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity.

And this is the first newspaper, it was far from immediately understood, but the meaning is this: depression - the griffin’s weapon, by the way, was aimed at one of the citizens, and at the same time he got the social flash mob (meme Robin). Because of this block, a shot was not enough.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:06:24
do we need to solve the hint?
You can do this if you want.
I actually guess hinting is nothing more than an aid for someone who wants to blame, but does not know why.
The determining factors for me are newspaper interpretations. I am strong in that I well appreciate the logic of actions, that is, I calculate the moves completed by the roles, their goals, and I evaluate the logic of the reasons for choosing such a goal and the possibility of just such a result.
Can you tell me which move you think is logical for Alice today?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:10:52
Can you tell me which move you think is logical for Alice today?

Do you remember what I have written yesterday? Who do you think after killing attempt on me will be a target of assassination? And how it could be prevented with the help of Alice?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:15:23
Do you remember what I have written yesterday? Who do you think after killing attempt on me will be a target of assassination? And how it could be prevented with the help of Alice?
Well, then answer these questions yourself.
Because if you consider you a victim, it’s stupid to translate you, isn’t it?
But Alice doesn’t translate anywhere, but to the one on the list below. I'm alive. Your option
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:18:18
Do you remember what I have written yesterday? Who do you think after killing attempt on me will be a target of assassination? And how it could be prevented with the help of Alice?
Well, then answer these questions yourself.
Because if you consider you a victim, it’s stupid to translate you, isn’t it?
But Alice doesn’t translate anywhere, but to the one on the list below. I'm alive. Your option

No, it's not stupid, as there is a rule, that "cannot go to the same target two nights consequently". I was considering, that I'll be killed. Who WAS in the list before me to transfer back to me?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:20:21
Still alive (4):

01.  pastor chivay
13.  Kara_Mel
14.  Anony-mouse
15.  Uranium235
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:21:14
Now you got it! Finally.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:22:25
Цитировать
1. Rabbit Hole: redirects the target’s action to the next living player in the list.
Do you know why action is written here, not actions?
What is the difference?

The rule is this: if the player is sent to where he was yesterday, then this transfer will cause failure of his action (illegal goal). You can’t translate yourself, by the way.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:26:14
Do you know why action is written here, not actions?
What is the difference?

When the decision was made I thought about headshot and "cannot go to the same target two nights consequently" but nothing against n-tuple actions on one night. Now you can do 2+2. Alongside with what Alice did.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:28:17
,
And yet I would like to analyze the keels. For every night where there was a shortage of corpses, tell where the murder went.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:34:26
You can do this if you want.

No I do not want. Rather, I tried, but the results do not satisfy me at all.

Can you tell me which move you think is logical for Alice today?

Nope. Because yours, mine and Alice’s views on this can diverge. At least I suspect that my views differ with Alice.

If I understand correctly, then Alice cannot transfer someone to a specific player, she only shifts his goal to the next one on the list, right? So, not knowing who the player is aiming for, to whom she is going, she does not know where exactly she is redirecting her target. That is, if I understand correctly, then even knowing the killer for sure, she cannot, for example, be sure that she will not redirect him to herself. So I do not see any useful actions for Alice at this stage.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:35:21
When the decision was made I thought about headshot and "cannot go to the same target two nights consequently" but nothing against n-tuple actions on one night. Now you can do 2+2. Alongside with what Alice did.
An absurd decision in terms of strategy.
After all, it is beneficial for the city to switch from state 3-1 to state 2-1, in which there is less chance of a mistake in the vote. To concentrate efforts when you really need to divide the eggs into different baskets is a gross mistake, the defeat for which will be completely fair.
Especially if you think about what the moves of other players will be before.

So I do not see any useful actions for Alice at this stage.
But I see.
Besides translation, she also has another action, checking the type of action. Who has a different type of action when he is a mafia and when not a mafia?
In general, you can not answer, it's just to think.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:40:12
So I do not see any useful actions for Alice at this stage.
I mean useful redirection actions. Alice should have received information.


But I see.
Besides translation, she also has another action, checking the type of action. Who has a different type of action when he is a mafia and when not a mafia?
In general, you can not answer, it's just to think.
Yes, I have already added to the written. And yesterday I advised Alice to try to get information. Probably because of the fear that she would do this, the pastor was killed.



Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:47:47
Now imagine the chances of the mafia, if anyone where it goes was known in advance?
I hope you remember this moment.

So far, I am waiting for a story from Caramel, where in her opinion the murders disappeared on those nights in which they were missing, based on descriptions in the newspaper. I won’t wait indefinitely, you can be punished for gross strategic mistakes right away, but I have a different style, I always give chances, suddenly an idiot, in which case I need to explain everything to an undeveloped idiot.

Yes, I have already added to the written. And yesterday I advised Alice to try to get information. Probably because of the fear that she would do this, the pastor was killed.
In fact, it was not worth doing it yesterday, but the day before yesterday. Also a blunder.
But as is obvious from his thoughts, he could not make a simple move, so now we are going the difficult way.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:51:20
An absurd decision in terms of strategy.
After all, it is beneficial for the city to switch from state 3-1 to state 2-1, in which there is less chance of a mistake in the vote. To concentrate efforts when you really need to divide the eggs into different baskets is a gross mistake, the defeat for which will be completely fair.
Especially if you think about what the moves of other players will be before.

With such overall hostility towards me, my strategy is very good in my opinion. Maybe a certain man, let's call him Griffin wants to know why something didn't happen. It's easy to answer - first of all I have incorrectly given roles between Pastor and Griffin. And secondly, why did someone take something from Griffin in the first place? And thirdly - I have already answered.

And note, that you're the one who doesn't need any protection. You're the best ally-friend with Mouse, while playing against either me/Pastor as acceptable to Mouse as you're developed suspicions to the both of us. I hope that answers you questions.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 12:59:17
In fact, it was not worth doing it yesterday, but the day before yesterday.

And at that moment I thought Alice was already dead. I still don’t understand why there were feathers and fragments of plastic katanas in Robin’s room. Only thanks to the prompts of other players did I realize that the “F” indicates a meme.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:02:06
I have incorrectly given roles between Pastor and Griffin
Tell me why the Pastor did not want to vote Shiori?

And another factor rather says the opposite, the most important task is to convince me, because if I do not die, then I will decide, and my decision will be quite simple in one of the cases, so why not do it like that?

I am waiting for the story of where the murders happened each time they were missing. I made it.
This is the last attempt if the mission is failed this time.

And at that moment I thought Alice was already dead. I still don’t understand why there were feathers and fragments of plastic katanas in Robin’s room. Only thanks to the prompts of other players did I realize that the “F” indicates a meme.
Other players (Uranus).
But the point is that Shiori called this role to him, and the maniac knows the role of his victim (description of ability).
Just because of the survey, he could not realize it in the right way - that is, to pretend himself that he was a killed role.

, You also write where the murders failed on what nights, or what.
And then I’m interrogating Caramel, and you’re standing next to me, talk something too.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:06:20
, about you my suspicions grew throughout the game. Although, due to some circumstances, I did not want to attack you, suggesting that everything could be explained by unfamiliarity with the format of the game. But, if you check your posts, you can see how almost everywhere you tried to apply the broadest possible interpretations, even where everything was completely clear. This is one of the characteristic features of mafiosi.

At the same time, on the contrary, I tried to narrow the choice of roles for each player to an absolute minimum, even at the cost of mistakes. But mistakes are not scary, if you are mistaken - theN other players correct you and all this is for the common good.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:11:24
, about you my suspicions grew throughout the game. Although, due to some circumstances, I did not want to attack you, suggesting that everything could be explained by unfamiliarity with the format of the game. But, if you check your posts, you can see how almost everywhere you tried to apply the broadest possible interpretations, even where everything was completely clear. This is one of the characteristic features of mafiosi.

At the same time, on the contrary, I tried to narrow the choice of roles for each player to an absolute minimum, even at the cost of mistakes. But mistakes are not scary, if you are mistaken - theN other players correct you and all this is for the common good.

That sounds very good, but why are you not voting yet? You're hiding behind Uranius with your failed analysis and fake hint. Nice Mice!




I am waiting for the story of where the murders happened each time they were missing.
I don't get the idea of what kind of analysis you want to hear. Write using  transliteration, please  :wtf:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:19:21
I don't get the idea of what kind of analysis you want to hear. Write using  transliteration, please

On the first night there are no two killings - why? your options.
There are no two killings on the third night - why? your options.
Unsuccessful murder is a momentous event, it must be shown somewhere in the newspaper. Find this place if it exists.

And I'm still waiting for an answer why the Pastor did not vote Shiori. He had reasons?

[Sorry, I auto-corrected the translit I shouldn't have! Returning it back. – GM]

V pervuyu noch' net polozhennykh dvukh ubiystv - pochemu? vashi varianty.
V tret'yu noch' net polozhennykh dvukh ubiystv - pochemu? vashi varianty.
Neudachnoye ubiystvo - znakovoye sobytiye, ono dolzhno byt' gde-to pokazano v gazete. Naydite eto mesto, yesli ono sushchestvuyet.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:27:19
I got what do you want, but I need some time to read a newspapers.

Pastor said, that he was late to change his vote.

This is only an assumption, but "Drink Me" should give Life action (e.g. kill, protection), so he must have thought of me as Poppins.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:28:10
Anony-mouse, You also write where the murders failed on what nights, or what.

The first night was an attack on Julik / Oliver. Who attacked - I have no idea. At that time, the Falcon, which I consider to be Dr. Moreau, and also the Shiori, Todd, was active. Slightly more likely that Shiori attacked the silent man, that he was doing the whole game. It is likely that the mafiosi were stopped by a hack block, the multiplicity of which was mentioned in the newspapers.

The second night, two murders, as I understand it, it does not interest you.

Third night. The falcon came under modkill, plus an attack on the shiori. Actually ... if we assume that the mafiosi attacked the shiori, then it is possible that the mafiosi were murderers the first night, while the shiori was blocked. And with one night's pass, Shiori was blocked again.

Fourth night. A bunch of killings - skip.

Further, we no longer have Todd and no passes for killing.

Actually, I don’t see what else could be extracted from the newspaper.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:30:03
Drink Me"
But I cannot say which night it was done. The trigger of his vote against me seems was mentioning "Sherlock or Orlando" in my analysis.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:37:42
That sounds very good, but why are you not voting yet?

Any whim for your money, darling.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:42:22
1st night
Julik1221 - survived on his on due to attack from ?

I can only guess - "morning's Scotland Yard report brings not a single case of homicide", that with that sentence was told about that killing attempt was not from the mafia. But why there was no even attempt - big question.

From the other side - "some health packs" - can say, that both of mafia and maniac were there. I like this version more.

3rd night. Shiori was attacked by the mafia, while Shiori himself could place C4 somewhere it not worked.

Can be a hint to it "The police forewarn tirelessly to avoid dubious establishments.".
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:45:31
The first night was an attack on Julik / Oliver. Who attacked - I have no idea. At that time, the Falcon, which I consider to be Dr. Moreau, and also the Shiori, Todd, was active. Slightly more likely that Shiori attacked the silent man, that he was doing the whole game. It is likely that the mafiosi were stopped by a hack block, the multiplicity of which was mentioned in the newspapers.

The second night, two murders, as I understand it, it does not interest you.

Third night. The falcon came under modkill, plus an attack on the shiori. Actually ... if we assume that the mafiosi attacked the shiori, then it is possible that the mafiosi were murderers the first night, while the shiori was blocked. And with one night's pass, Shiori was blocked again.

Fourth night. A bunch of killings - skip.

Further, we no longer have Todd and no passes for killing.

Actually, I don’t see what else could be extracted from the newspaper.
there would be a desire, you can extract more.
For me, the block + Kill Shior’s move at the moment when 1 maf is already killed, the other is inactive, and the third wants to leave the party is doubtful. Well, at least if he was blocked on the first night and Todd’s probability is high from the point of view of the mafia.
Moves have logic. I can believe if the first night the action is directed simply because. But then they already take into account the behavior in the topic and the results of last nights.
The logic is to spend moves on a probable maniac when you already have a bad situation regarding the city. And if the situation looks illogical, you probably didn’t take into account something than the system is chaotic.

1st night
Julik1221 - survived on his on due to attack from ?

I can only guess - "morning's Scotland Yard report brings not a single case of homicide", that with that sentence was told about that killing attempt was not from the mafia. But why there was no even attempt - big question.

From the other side - "some health packs" - can say, that both of mafia and maniac were there. I like this version more.

3rd night. Shiori was attacked by the mafia, while Shiori himself could place C4 somewhere it not worked.

Can be a hint to it "The police forewarn tirelessly to avoid dubious establishments.".
At the expense of S-4 version is not bad.
But Shiori’s refusal to vote sounds strange after the explicit death of Oliver in that case.

Could it be that the lack of murder on the first night is a block of the mafia or maniac?
And if so, who is more likely.

The dubious institution is still Alice’s bar, much more than anything else.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:52:12
That sounds very good, but why are you not voting yet?

Any whim for your money, darling.



As expected from you, Mouse. But much-much earlier, than you did.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:53:11
But there was no doublet, in which case Oliver would have lost 2 defenses at once, and he did not have one more left for the fourth night.

Pastor said, that he was late to change his vote.
This is not the point; he initially considered Shiori a city.
Therefore, confusing his role is extremely difficult. If you still managed to do it, then such a game is too horrible for the peaceful, but pleasant for the mafia.
What is needed is some reason for illogical conclusions and actions, and what could be better than not noticed?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:56:23

there would be a desire, you can extract more.

Uranium, I know that you are an incredibly consistent, meticulous and analysis-inclined player. But, for heaven’s sake, you already have more than enough data to make a right decision. Or do you want to calculate the course of the entire game without waiting for the log from GM?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 13:59:42
https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299535#msg1299535
After that, mix something up. Well, you're not a Pastor, so you know how to count and prioritize.

Uranium, I know that you are an incredibly consistent, meticulous and analysis-inclined player. But, for heaven’s sake, you already have more than enough data to make a right decision. Or do you want to calculate the course of the entire game without waiting for the log from GM?
I show the correct game, you need to give chances always, no matter how strong the confidence.
When I offered Messor a lynch, you did not support me both. Found some reason.
Now it became clear that he should be a mafia, why should I forget about this mistake?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 14:02:31
Could it be that the lack of murder on the first night is a block of the mafia or maniac?

Yes, it could. Now that you said it - I see what I missed.

There is a blocker for the mafia, but it's unreasonable move => "Old foe : if checks Ms Marple" - "Big Brother : checks".  There no reason to block on the first day, but to search.
Orlando - could be anything, but self-healing is in the priority, I think. That what I would do, actually.
Griffin's Chifir is foolish action at the first turn, nope.

Christopher Robin left as a blocker, so seems it was his block. But who was blocked - it's hard to say. But I see no clue there. Let Shiori be blocked and this was mafia with cleanup, who shot Julik.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 14:06:25
Yes, it could. Now that you said it - I see what I missed.

There is a blocker for the mafia, but it's unreasonable move => "Old foe : if checks Ms Marple" - "Big Brother : checks".  There no reason to block on the first day, but to search.
Orlando - could be anything, but self-healing is in the priority, I think. That what I would do, actually.
Griffin's Chifir is foolish action at the first turn, nope.

Christopher Robin left as a blocker, so seems it was his block. But who was blocked - it's hard to say. But I see no clue there. Let Shiori be blocked and this was mafia with cleanup, who shot Julik.
Depression and flash mob are written in one sentence. I think the first is Griffin's move, the second is Robin's move, and they have one goal.
I would like to read an alternative explanation, but still do not see it. And if they don’t argue with me, then I will gain a foothold in the thought that I understood the situation correctly.

Well, strictly speaking, it is not necessary to shoot Oliver, you can also get into Oliver’s target.
You said that successful treatment on the first night is unbelievable. But this is not entirely true, there are at least 2 (!) Treatments for different roles, and 2 murder attempts from different factions. The odds are not negligible, obviously.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 14:09:35
https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299535#msg1299535
After that, mix something up. Well, you're not a Pastor, so you know how to count and prioritize.

For a logically minded person, this should mean that either Alice transferred me and the shiori to the murdered one. Or she didn’t do either one or the other.

However, when dealing with a pastor, you should bear in mind that this may be just the impression of my statements “I'm not a maniac” and at the same time placing this emoji  :knife:. Plus, in general, “strange” behavior for which they tried to hang me almost every day.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 14:14:39
It seems to me that we just played a damaged phone, I meant that on the site of Caramel, it is extremely difficult to confuse something with the role of the Pastor, if at least a minimal analysis is carried out. And choosing between a peaceful one who did not do analysis and a mafia that wants to show that it is so peaceful, I am inclined to choose the second.
For a player with some experience behind him so surely.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 14:16:42
You said that successful treatment on the first night is unbelievable. But this is not entirely true, there are at least 2 (!) Treatments for different roles, and 2 murder attempts from different factions. The odds are not negligible, obviously.

We both know what we're speaking about.

That's why I have trouble with the rebuilding of past events based on such vague results.

"Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet."

If he was a target to be killed:
1) First of all, he is a random target - not one of those who had posts in the topic.
2) I cannot see why a silent person was protected in the first place when there are more active people who needed it for the first night.
3) As for now, I do not see any points, that emphasize that it was Mary or Todd's attempt. And they are in different teams.
4) Maybe it's showing even "survives X kills attempts" passive ability, then it could become more logical, than protecting some random guy by Sherlock.


2/15 is chance of "at least to healings" against 1/11 + 1/14 to have someone killed. Who would I protect on the first night? And what about flashmob? Why I'm sure about Mouse?


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Old Guard : if visits Ms Marple or Biggles, gets acquainted with them.

It seems to me that we just played a damaged phone, I meant that on the site of Caramel, it is extremely difficult to confuse something with the role of the Pastor, if at least a minimal analysis is carried out. And choosing between a peaceful one who did not do analysis and a mafia that wants to show that it is so peaceful, I am inclined to choose the second.
For a player with some experience behind him so surely.

I said everything. Yes, I do have an experience, but with a fully different approach to games, so I'm playing based on it. It's harder to change the style, rather than playing from zero. All my "mistakes" are coming from there.

But at least I agree with Mouse. Time to finish it all.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 14:28:28
Why I'm sure about Mouse?

Because you know my role?

Baby, if you are so eager to win that you use such dirty tricks as over-emotional font size, I leave the conversation. I don’t know what to talk about with such players.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 14:29:17
Why finish right now?
You can still sort out the evidence. In the end, I can not count the response to the actions completely disastrous.
You know that the other mafia.
I have already described how the lead composes hints. I want this format of evidence. That is, the wiki page associated with someone’s profile - a hyperlink (several times) - is the final hint.

Baby, if you are so eager to win that you use such dirty tricks as over-emotional font size, I leave the conversation. I don’t know what to talk about with such players.
I assure you that you can hardly say something new to each other. Talk to me.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 14:31:49
Why I'm sure about Mouse?

Because you know my role?

Baby, if you are so eager to win that you use such dirty tricks as over-emotional font size, I leave the conversation. I don’t know what to talk about with such players.


I'm a bit older to be "baby" for you. Big font is just a mean of pointing to some part of the quote and there are no rules against it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 14:42:02
I have already described how the lead composes hints. I want this format of evidence. That is, the wiki page associated with someone’s profile - a hyperlink (several times) - is the final hint.
And I have shown what I've found. I see nothing more.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 14:42:44
Uranium, I don’t see what to talk about. I have already shown that in my opinion only Mary Poppins could survive. And you agreed that you have the same active players as mine. And in Caramel’s analysis, Hyde appeared from somewhere, despite the fact that only Poppins could remain there. That alone should be enough.

If for victory it is additionally required to suck all the details ten times, then I pass. By striving for victory, Kara_Mel will give me a hundred points ahead, as I can see from the techniques she used. I do not want to play for exhaustion.

If I offended anyone, I apologize to everyone.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 15:00:28
No, Caramel techniques are terrible. For a city player, instead of following a simple path, inventing some incredibly tricky plan that turns against you, if you think for a little bit - well, this is easily proved from the side, I don’t see any difficulties for the Mouse here .

Well, I'm not a Pastor. How could you think that I would not use the obvious test of anyone, if I have one?
If such a crazy thought creeps into someone’s head, then all that needs to be done is to tell me your fear.

What you showed is hardly enough. This is not clear enough.

Well, why should I play because the headshot charge is saved until the sixth night. 2 activation passes, and 1 headshot was definitely spent on a goose, according to the description. Why not spend it yesterday, after all.
Why kill Caramel Mice? this move is absurd if it ends in success, because Alice distinguishes between Marple and not Marple.
In fact, I used to think that Alice translates differently.
That is, it can be assumed that a more logical goal is being killed - the Pastor, but the transfer leads to the next victim. Then the mega-strange solution becomes understandable.

Only in reality, it does not give anything.
The pastor was a more profitable victim in both cases.
In that case, I'm stupid here.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 15:09:45
I'm not planning to convince you anymore. Enough!
You're seeing problems and mafia in my actions - vote against me.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 15:21:47
I'm not planning to convince you anymore. Enough!
You're seeing problems and mafia in my actions - vote against me.
Are you sure?
There was already a similar conversation with Mouse. If someone wants him to vote, I satisfy the request. If peaceful does not fight - this is his defeat and not mine.
There are exceptions - but they are associated with games where it is impossible to execute someone (like Orlando is about now, but this ability has different incarnations).
So, now the mafia does not have such abilities.
Are you sure you have to vote against you? Well, I do not need other arguments in this case.

In general, I just started thinking about really possible options that I had not previously taken into account, because I thought that Alice’s action works differently.
Knowing that the move is shifted one position down relative to the “target of the translatable” and not relative to the “position of the translatable” can explain my survival perfectly - why take the risk against the translation, which will result in suicide, if you can kill so that X and X + 1 are acceptable goals, that is, a nemafia.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 15:30:38
Are you sure?

Damn it, damn it all! I just don't know what else you're thinking about. I told you everything I know! I just cannot see what else I can tell to you.

I cannot find other explanations than I have already provided.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 15:34:56
Damn it, damn it all! I just don't know what else you're thinking about. I told you everything I know! I just cannot see what else I can tell to you.

I cannot find other explanations than I have already provided.
Well, for example, what would be told in the classics.
What is the connection between the Mouse and three other mafes.

The description of the past newspaper plays very strongly against you.
First mention is that Caramel may be a victim of its own hand.
And then "the corporation is torn apart by internal contradictions."
These are very fat hints against you, of course I'm waiting for you to find another explanation for the situation. To show that there is such a peaceful role in the newspaper, but such and such is not and cannot be good either (but it’s difficult, I couldn’t, and GM wouldn’t do that, he knows my suspicions and mine logic).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 15:39:23
What is the connection between the Mouse and three other mafes.

Between who I see as mafia or who YOU see as mafia? We have some differences.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 15:41:56
Between who I see as mafia or who YOU see as mafia? We have some differences.
The one that Caramel sees. The language barrier, perhaps.

I think you understand that it was possible to do without complicated evidence and reasoning, and somehow you have to rhetorically resist the image of a player who didn’t do it not because he thinks alternatively, but because he couldn’t do it and is trying to pull at least some option to explain it.
That is, I'm now raking someone else's mistake. In any case, I’m raking it off, because the Pastor could recognize the mafia exactly yesterday. But in that picture where you are a city, not only he was mistaken.
A few mistakes, like an absurd 30% for a maniac without a single black action and the maximum muddy balance - they need to be outweighed by something very difficult and convincing.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 15:57:34
02.  Dmixn - Marple
03.  Putin mod.2 - Biggles
04.  Sue Sharlin - LIZ
05.  l10ha - Orlando
06.  Falcon hunting - Hyde or Poppins
07.  shiori -  Todd
08.  Drusha - Moreau the Artie
09.  Bratuxa777 - Scrooge
10.  Julik1221 - Oliver
11.  SamPie - Robin
12.  InVictA - Jeeves

First of all let's get my list and correct Falcon's Role.

06.  Falcon hunting - Hyde
08.  Drusha - Moreau the Artie
09.  Bratuxa777 - Scrooge


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Falcon hunting (3): Uranium235, pastor chivay, goose
 l10ha (1): Kara_Mel
None of the above (3): Putin mod.2, Anony-mouse, Drusha

Both Anony-mouse and Drusha voted for none, even though there was no chance to jail Falcon that night.

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Drusha (5): l10ha, Kara_Mel, pastor chivay, Putin mod.2, shiori, Anony-mouse
 Anony-mouse  (2): InVictA, Drusha
 SamPie  (1): Uranium235

Vote from Anony-mouse was the last to Drusha, nice alibi.

Falcon was barely mentioned by Mouse, while he was alive and even rarer - when he was modkilled (except last days).

A few mistakes, like an absurd 30% for a maniac without a single black action and the maximum muddy balance - they need to be outweighed by something very difficult and convincing.

I told, that maniac killing inactive - is someone experienced. It's not an act of novice, and it takes guts - only Shiori and you left, so I had such distribution of probability.

The top one is actually my list, but somehow it's copied as Mouse's quote.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 16:11:06
I told, that maniac killing inactive - is someone experienced. It's not an act of novice, and it takes guts - only Shiori and you left, so I had such distribution of probability.
You understand what I mean.
This should not have happened with the facts that were available to you at that moment about the roles of the retired and the cut-offs of the roles that I painted, if you did not paint something new for this.
Peaceful of the murders of a maniac knew 2 pieces - Bratuha and Sampai. Where the rest of the shots were was not known on average, given, among other things, that Oliver might not be a victim, but the author of a successful action against a completely active player.
That is, thinking is incorrect initially. Keeping it in spite of the most direct indication that you don’t need to do this looks much more like a necessary measure in order to record peace for someone you want to suspect later than a real misunderstanding of the situation.

Voting analytics isn't really interesting to me, actually. I'm interested in other connections, not what the mafia shows in an explicit form (voices), but those that appear by chance. For example, does he attribute the mafia to the murdered, does he consider peaceful the one who suspected another mafia.
That is, non-obvious events that allow you to build the picture that really is, and not the one that the mafia would like to show.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 16:15:22
That is, thinking is incorrect initially. Keeping it in spite of the most direct indication that you don’t need to do this looks much more like a necessary measure in order to record peace for someone you want to suspect later than a real misunderstanding of the situation.

If there will be a next time - I'll take in into account and play differently. But for now, all I can say - this is how I saw the game, nothing more, nothing less.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 16:21:33
A. I will point out one more thing, Uranium. The Falcon has not once mentioned me in his messages.  Not a single one. But he was very willing to communicate with Kara_Mel, more than a third of his messages are conversations with her.
You know him and you can assume whether this player can completely avoid communication with members of his gang.

And Drusha talked with me only in an attempt to find a replacement for himself to hang.

You can read these conversations yourself and make your own judgment.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 16:21:36
You just did not vote in Messor and Bratuha, while such an opportunity still existed.
And when it came to the fact that Dmksin would be killed anyway, this was an occasion to refuse to vote on him.

That is, the vote itself does not allow me to conclude from the outside, more subtle points are needed.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 16:33:45
A. I will point out one more thing, Uranium. The Falcon has not once mentioned me in his messages.  Not a single one. But he was very willing to communicate with Kara_Mel, more than a third of his messages are conversations with her.
You know him and you can assume whether this player can completely avoid communication with members of his gang.

And Drusha talked with me only in an attempt to find a replacement for himself to hang.

You can read these conversations yourself and make your own judgment.
My judgment in the case of Messor is that I can’t say anything concrete, any scenario is possible.
I see Dryusha as peaceful in principle. He did not try to count the votes so as not to leave, but wrote what he thought, and he thought that I or the Caramel Mafia, for example. Such phrases do not help much when you see that the voices which in theory can be cast are somewhat limited.
But I can imagine an option in which Putin-Mod was the mafia, and Drusha was the Beagle.
While Caramel sells me to Dryusha as a mafia, I can’t buy it, I just don’t believe in such a vote.
But she may be mistaken at the expense of him, and already the version that Putin-Mod is the Hyde mafia, and I can consider Dmksin Marple. Since in any case I’m raking errors, why not raking this one as well. You do not have an alibi for this vote, because you were obliged to save yourself, in any case, the silent person is not so valuable to the mafia, in any case.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 16:48:45
Caramel, you know what it is.
I first wrote that Bratukha Scrooge.
That is, if he really was Scrooge, from the point of view of the mafia I fall into probable maniacs.
That may be the explanation that they give me a percent maniac.
I’m not saying that I couldn’t burn the mafia, for the purpose - do not touch me, we are in the same boat now, I know that there are fewer of you left. Generally could.
But much more likely would be a comment of the Shiori level:
The maniac's kill. The hint is "tiny piece of dark cloth, rectangular in shape". Victim was found near desktop, so it could be Miss Marple again, but she has laptop, not desktop, or Chris. Also Scrooge and Jekyll can match.
That is, he will not directly write the role of the victim, so as not to burn unambiguously.
Actually, this comment was one of the factors voting against him.
Therefore, I really do not like your percentage. If you consider that you are not an expert in calculating roles, and therefore you can do stupid things, then the first stupidity that comes to mind is to allow myself to think that I have burned in this way, although I kind of even commented on something about the fact that I’m trickier .

If there will be a next time - I'll take in into account and play differently. But for now, all I can say - this is how I saw the game, nothing more, nothing less.
Next time there will be other roles and a different situation. The author’s full-role sets are good because you need to think differently every time, and not repeat the worked out paths as in the classics.

I’m still waiting for the interpretation of yesterday’s newspaper. I was waiting for her yesterday and did not receive anything, but I saw a wild desire to leave the night quickly, as if there was nothing to think about during the day.
Well have to today. I repeat the claim. 2 times in the newspaper mentioned the possibility that the mafia shot itself. Moreover, this may not even be a tricky plan (as you know, the reverse information system makes this plan not tricky, but stupid), but a simple translation of the move from Alice when the murder went to Pastor.
Your version, based on the fact that you know firmly that this is not true.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 17:05:38
I'll have some things to take care of, so:

1. Uranium, I'll admit one thing now - I've been lying about %. I got it wrong, who you would like to see it and it leads to 65+35+5. I was already as black as coal, so I have to not make any changes or extra explanation. Perhaps that was a mistake.

65% was percentage of Shiori being maniac out of 100% for all roles possible for him. It's different than I'll say 65% out of maniac is Shiori. The same goes with you, but you got it wrong and I followed. Why?

2. Newspaper.

Цитировать
This week does not stop amazing. At this critical moment, we once again have no citizens doomed to end their life tonight. This is a confusingly strange development of events if you contrast it to last voting's fierce invasion of the overseas beasts. It would be too early to call the night completely peaceful, however, as we still had one victim of an assault. It was Kara_Mel who reported about getting shot. Her wound was said to be of grave danger; nevertheless, we can see today that she feels better and is able to continue participating in our struggle. Was it mere luck, some mysterious stranger's service, or the result of her own efforts? We cannot say right now.

I think of it like that - my own efforts is that I wasn't killed (guess why?!), while luck is a shift by Alice from her to me.

65% was percentage of Shiori being maniac out of 100% for all roles possible for him. It's different than I'll say 65% out of maniac is Shiori. The same goes with you, but you got it wrong and I followed. Why?

But I saw no other thing to do, just to try to fit my opinion in your view.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 17:13:12
I agree on the fact that my own efforts may well be related to treatment and not to a shot.
This item is fully accepted, this is exactly what I was expecting yesterday.

Now explain this one.

the government finds itself on the brink of collapse after fierce internal clashes
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 17:26:11
65% was percentage of Shiori being maniac out of 100% for all roles possible for him. It's different than I'll say 65% out of maniac is Shiori. The same goes with you, but you got it wrong and I followed. Why?
It's too much.
Shiori has 65, I have 30. But the standard error, as you said, is 5%. It turns out that 5% is the Pastor and the Mouse together. The mess.
At the moment, I have come to the conclusion that you will not be able to turn around with the Mouse, in principle, regardless of what is happening (if I'm wrong, say it now).

Thus, I want to listen to real claims to myself, for these very 30% maniac. What has been done wrong?
The mouse said so that he did not vote against me, why would I give him anything else to hint?
You should not have left so many percent, if you consider it as a peaceful player.
There is simply nowhere for them to come from.

I remind you that I need to prove something, as if I am 10 years old and down syndrome in addition.
So, imagining that this is so, explain how quote number 1 corresponds to quote number 2, since I see the opposite meaning in them.

Unfortunately, this is how I see the situation with 65-30-2.5-2.5 of a maniac.
Silent players killed by Todd and you're words to others of your percentage of being a maniac are just big hints to me.

Mafia is team-based game and I do not intend of ruining the game with principles of any sort. Provide more suitable and reasonable candidate and I will support.


The tags went astray, but I think the point is clear.
If you said earlier that 65-30-2.5-2.5 concerns the role of a maniac in general among the remaining roles, then why now say that it concerns the role of Shiori, and not all possible maniacs.

Here one thing is clearly wrong, and it is necessary to explain what exactly or why I am stupid.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 17:39:27
So, I'm telling this, because I finally got where you meant a different thing and if you're put too much attention to % - I'll show the difference.

This is how you got my %, and at first, I didn't realize it, so later I had nothing, but to follow.

(https://c.radikal.ru/c02/2004/64/a669a88031ae.jpg)

What I meant was:
(https://b.radikal.ru/b24/2004/3d/e9b74d6f242b.jpg)
(https://d.radikal.ru/d27/2004/86/9bcec2ccdba2.jpg)


These approaches are not equivalent.

the government finds itself on the brink of collapse after fierce internal clashes
I have no idea, but "on the brink of collapse" is definitely saying, that there is only one mafiosi left in the game. "internal clashes" can mean, that inside mafia the target was chosen not by majority/something stopped from the headshot, or something similar.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 18:01:02
So, I'm telling this, because I finally got where you meant a different thing and if you're put too much attention to % - I'll show the difference.

This is how you got my %, and at first, I didn't realize it, so later I had nothing, but to follow.
I got a percentage from your own words.
30%, not much. You're trying to say, that you're Todd in last posts, including asking chances for you. So, you trying to say to Mouse, that you're the one who needed to be convinced?
Now let's do the math.
We know that in a game there is no more than one maniac (100%).
If Shiori has 65%, and I have 30%, so that the chances of a maniac in the game do not exceed 100%, the two remaining players (we believe that the one who responds as a maniac does not consider) should be together no more than 5% by maniac.

Otherwise, the percentages for the first two must be recalculated to the correct values.

I roughly understand what you are trying to say, you answered fragmentary questions, forgetting that the answers to them are connected by one function. That is, they called relative probabilities.
My task at that moment was to show you that the relative probability and absolute probability - that is, the set of relative for each player may not coincide.
But it turned out that the concepts of relative and absolute probability changed, and at the same time there were no contradictions between 30 and 30, and I could not tell what I wanted, because there was nothing special to tell, everything formally coincided.
In general, the explanation is accepted, you escaped immediate death for the actual contradiction in words.

But I still do not agree that even the relative (as we now understand) the probability of a maniac in me could remain at that level. In what place were you so black as not to give explanations to your possible peaceful?
There is a simple sign - in that case, I would already vote. If I still don’t think about the voice, then there are options.
And I'm still waiting for an explanation of the second part of the newspaper, with contradictions within the corporation that describe the shot very well.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 18:05:06
And I'm still waiting for an explanation of the second part of the newspaper, with contradictions within the corporation that describe the shot very well.
It's above.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 18:06:22
I have no idea, but "on the brink of collapse" is definitely saying, that there is only one mafiosi left in the game. "internal clashes" can mean, that inside mafia the target was chosen not by majority/something stopped from the headshot, or something similar.
No, I do not like.
GM will not describe conflicts within the conference of the Mafia.
Any more ideas?
For example, do you think Poppins shot you or was transferred to you from Pastor?
Again, percentages (relative), you can have more / less than 50 on something.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 18:17:40
GM will not describe conflicts within the conference of the Mafia.
If you say, that he cannot...

Judging by the overall situation - the shot was transferred with 90% of possibility. There is no need to reflect, that shot to me is something leading to "internal clashes".

Judging by the overall situation - the shot was transferred with 90% of possibility. There is no need to reflect, that shot to me is something leading to "internal clashes".
I meant - otherwise - there is no need to reflect, that shot to me is something leading to "internal clashes".

Of course, you can tell, that I shot myself, but it makes no sense to me, I'm sorry. It looked like a desperate attempt from Mouse to save him.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 18:44:30
, Umm ... I have to tell you that all your efforts are in vain. Uranium has a 100% payout method for the city. He just won't vote. As a result, I will die, but you will die too. Uranium will remain the only urban player. easy-breezy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-91y7BJ8QA)  Even without a 0.01% chance of error.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 27, 2020, 18:55:00
Day 6 Exit Poll

(1): Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299673#msg1299673)
(1): Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299703#msg1299703)

No vote:

Deadline TUE 2 PM. 16 hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 18:55:33
You can consider that Dmksin Hyde, but there are still some inconsistencies in the roles, for example, Messor is not a mafia, so that Marple would die elsewhere?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Jekyll_and_Mr._Hyde_(character)

Here I am reading an article.
Jekyll Hyde is definitely a frock coat.
Hyde is a fan of hitting someone, even if you have not read the story itself, it is quite obvious from the description.

This is all the information that is about Dmksin.
By the way, if you open an article about marmite, you can see that he is part of the diet of soldiers of the First World War, and such was Biggles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biggles

That is, I considered that there may be a mistake in Putin-fashion, but it seems that it definitely does not exist.

I cannot take Marple as the one who suddenly struck Beagle.
Absolutely.
Having such a description as Hyde and such as Marple, I can not play this version.

But there is still a chance to show me that despite the fact that Dmksin Hyde, Marple is dead before.
Now I am waiting for this.

, Umm ... I have to tell you that all your efforts are in vain. Uranium has a 100% payout method for the city. He just won't vote. As a result, I will die, but you will die too. Uranium will remain the only urban player. easy-breezy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-91y7BJ8QA)  Even without a 0.01% chance of error.
What is that statement?
If I don’t vote, there will be a draw on which the one against whom the vote was cast earlier is eliminated (that is, you).

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 19:00:20
If I don’t vote, there will be a draw on which the one against whom the vote was cast earlier is eliminated (that is, you).

Yeah. I have re-read rules. Sorry, you still have to make a choice. And I really hoped.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 19:03:31
Oh yes, another deletion from the story.
For us, Laura Jekyll is a hacker, this is also a correct description, if it is a description at all.

Yeah. I have re-read rules. Sorry, you still have to make a choice. And I really hoped.
I did not like this statement.
Because in the event that I really agreed not to vote, you would be able to withdraw your vote, and thus the day will end without penalty, which is beneficial for the mafia.
Of course, such a plan cannot work against me. But this does not mean that the attempt, which can be interpreted in this way, colors you. Not at all.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 19:08:59
Because in the event that I really agreed not to vote, you would be able to withdraw your vote, and thus the day will end without penalty, which is beneficial for the mafia.

I saw this opportunity and wanted to ask GM if it is possible to make my voice irreversible. But now it doesn’t matter.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 27, 2020, 19:24:53
But there is still a chance to show me that despite the fact that Dmksin Hyde, Marple is dead before.
Now I am waiting for this.

I don't have anything to show - all my reasonings are based on what I have stated previously. I cannot do anything more. I know who you are and who I am, but I cannot convince you, that this is not Marple. If you cannot play with such an idea - I'm lack of any other ideas, unfortunately.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 20:06:34
A variant must definitely exist.
In the end, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meatbag
Like a meat bag! the robot should have said.

I can’t find an exact definition of who it is, in fact, because the character is a hybrid from Moriarty and Dr. Moreau, as well as the other is a hybrid of Sherlock and Dr. Watson.

In general, if it is possible to interpret something falsely, there should be an opportunity to show real data.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 20:16:52
Doctor Moreau the Artie
The Bacon Rind. A confidant of the Queen and éminence grise of her cabinet. Owner of cyclopean underground genetic laboratories. Nurtures plans capable to appall the Queen herself. He considers them an art, though.

It seems that the hand not of Her Majesty, but her boss — also known as God — personally reaped Falcon's soul.

Descriptions are very similar to Moro.
In any case, Moreau needs to be defined between Drusha and Messor, because

The city council is paralyzed

And he himself is the highest cardinal of the cabinet (ministers), in other words. That is, in any case, one of them.

I have no clue to say why Messor might be Hyde, but there is a clue to Moro.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 27, 2020, 20:21:06
Righty-O folks, I'm going for a nap. Just remember the time limits. I have the papers for both possible endings and will close the game tomorrow at 2:00-2:20 pm. The log will need a day or two more of rather intensive work (b/c I was being lazy), but you will be free to discuss anything in the language of your choice. I'd be happy to read the players who also left the game earlier. C u l8r!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 20:32:21
A dubious moment that indicates that he was not there. If Shiori was killed by the mafia, then the boss had to send a shot, no one else could.
But this generally does not follow from the description, and now I look and understand that Fergus Fume is also a journalist who writes a newspaper, so the connection with the fact that he is a detective and marple, too, and therefore the events happened next to me, was invented then.

That is, he could still send a move before his departure to the IRL, and then this fact gives me nothing at all.
Majesty directly points to the queen, which is in the description of Moreau, and does not contain exactly in the description of death any other hints.

In general, I have a slightly wild idea that at the beginning of the game, fume described a criminal chronicle, that is, murder, defense and treatment, watt - power actions, like blocks or doubling, and the chief editor - checks, including an interview. Watt had to be killed, because otherwise it would be too easy to figure out the power.
But in this case, the number of letters from readers is directly related to the number of completed checks.

Our correspondence was twice more modest in volume than expected

But of course, this cannot be said that half of the checkers died, perhaps some of them simply did not send the moves (on the second night I associate the absence of an interview with this reason).
Or was blocked.
Checks - Hyde, Marple, Biggles, Jeeves, Alice (sometimes, but this may be evidence of translation) and Liz. Orlando perhaps I will not include.
Formally, the three checkers didn’t sound like this night.
And then this does not give anything, because the conditional check of the weapon is in the block. And some Jeeves missed. Or vice versa, something like that. Actually, in the future there is a hint of this, they will find the strength to fight, that is, there were missed moves.

And I will not be surprised at such a turn:
Shiori applied the fifth of November. I somehow missed this thing earlier, but why not?
The explosion is a direct indication, that is, some are still an idiot.

That is, the mafia did not kill Shiori, but he charged 50% of himself when he tried to kill Messor and his guests. Moreover, it did not work to kill Messor, although he was overtaken by modkill further, but it turned out to kill himself - to bring down the defense.

I think this will be my main version of events now.
Thus, it is possible to eliminate the contradiction that I had with the fact that the mafia could hardly shoot while the boss was inaccessible (another very controversial rule, which we nevertheless have).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 20:44:10
From the point of view of the logic of the move, Messor was put to my vote by me and received 2 more votes from above.
The probability that after that he will have at least 1 guest is high.

That is, this is the move to be expected. But of course, I read about modkill, and I do not see indirect events, although there is a hint that they may be present later, I could not figure out what kind of visit I missed until this moment, now I know at least 1 case (there may be more )
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 21:07:31
Perhaps in the morning I will have some other shift in consciousness.

But for now, I accurately see the roles of retirees as:
Sue - Liz
Bratuha - Scrooge
Messor - Moro
Putin Mod - The Beagles
Dmksin - Hyde
Goose - Orlando
Sampai - Robin
Rogue - Oliver
Shiori - Todd
Invicta - Jeeves
Pastor - Alice

That is, the only thing that I do not understand in the dead is Dryusha, his description does not give me an unambiguous picture.

There is another theory, however.
Sue has a discrepancy in the role of Liz in that she does not have any comments on the interview, while Dryusha has them, and unambiguously displays Shiori as a nemafia, and this is reflected in his rhetoric.
If I had no information other than his posts and a description of death, I would say that he is Liz. Where is the second survey - yes, I simply missed it.

And in this way, you should read the questions:

So, Today s night is really very good - nobody has dead! But Firstly, to my mind, we should have a logical conclusion from Liz questions. How everybody know there are 1 false and 2 truly answers. So lets look on it. If Shiori has false answer in question number 1, that could not be because of some things. Gismo it is not only a gadget it is like thing too! So every mafia member exept hacker has gismo to protect her / himself. Maniac has gismo to protect himself too. So about question number 2. If this question is false, he could not be mafia too because the question number one is true. About question number 3 have said before me.

1. Do you know someone else who can shoot (mafia)?
2. Do you have the ability to protect yourself, including actions or passions?
3. Before him they didn’t say very much, frankly speaking. Therefore, I remain with opinions about the persecution as having the ability to check.

Here is such an unexpected thought, right? I believe in it.
Dryusha does not have many posts, if not to be blinded by the idea of ​​Sue Liz, then his role will become completely obvious.
In this case, I will look for the role of Sue (alternative).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 21:13:18
A variant must definitely exist.
In the end, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meatbag
Like a meat bag! the robot should have said.

I can’t find an exact definition of who it is, in fact, because the character is a hybrid from Moriarty and Dr. Moreau, as well as the other is a hybrid of Sherlock and Dr. Watson.

In general, if it is possible to interpret something falsely, there should be an opportunity to show real data.

And I said about that long ago. https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299160#msg1299160


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 21:21:05
The problem of caramel is different.
Even after I understand that Dryusha is actually Liz, non-human features still indicate a robot.
There is still a hint that many of us loved Sue. I thought it was an obvious allusion to Liz, if associated with the text of the chief editor.
But Liz is also mentioned in the third newspaper, which is illogical if she died on the second night, but very logical if on the second day, but the hint was completely not understood by anyone.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 21:21:23
In this case, I will look for the role of Sue (alternative)

Sue and Drusha are anyway a couple of robots. Read about "such as has never been seen upon human features". Let Sue be Sherlock, because Scotland Yard is mentioned in the description of her death, and this is a very good allusion to Sherlock Holmes.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 21:36:41
Also, do not forget that the description of her death mentioned the chair in which she was sitting. The chair is another detail that points to Sherlock, although not as significant as Scotland Yard. And if Sue is Sherlock, then it's time to vote against Kara_Mel. If you just do not want to clarify for yourself a couple of dozens of details that bother you.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 21:41:31
The chair is another detail that points to Sherlock
Explain why, I probably already spent too much time analyzing and losing the thread.

I'm trying to link the description of Dryusha's death with Liz Bennett now. Actually, it doesn’t work out too well either.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 21:52:16
Explain why, I probably already spent too much time analyzing and losing the thread.

(https://cs11.pikabu.ru/post_img/2019/03/05/10/1551802613159322105.jpg)


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 21:53:32
armchair + Scotland Yard

Yes, I like it, well, Caramel will come let him tell his version.

Until I understood how the description of Dryusha's death is connected with Liz, the work is not finished in any case. Although the analytics of his posts and the fact that Liz is mentioned in the third newspaper moves me very much towards the point.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 27, 2020, 22:00:58
I'm trying to link the description of Dryusha's death with Liz Bennett now.

I can’t help with this in any way, since I haven’t read or looked at Pride and Prejudice, so I can’t find any special signs pointing to Elizabeth Bennett.


I'm not even sure that GM posted such signs. Maybe he just made a hint at the robot (meatbag), implying that LIZ is the second and last robot after Sherlock.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 27, 2020, 22:08:16
For example, you can try to consider the version that Liz Messor. He also had a strange belief that the mafia was either me or Shiori, but he refused to touch Shiori.
According to the logic of actions - it cannot be excluded. But he has no survey comments.

Well, simply because it is not mentioned further, it means that it has already left us. Also, a skipping course is consistent with its activity.
Well, and so, consider Dryusha as Moro.

The option is still dubious.

Dryusha certainly looks like a robot. Here, not only a bag of meat, but also the fact that a chain sword (a weapon in the form of a waroose-chain benzo saw) was pushed into the chest with a certain effort.

I can only bind this way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride
The excitement of what they think about you after death may be a connection with the hypostasis of the original work.
It’s a rather complicated description, but I don’t have any simple ones for Dryusha.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 07:07:12
Yes, I like it, well, Caramel will come let him tell his version.

This is not a version, but now I see one interesting point here, which I didn't notice before.

Цитировать
The first report is of particular peculiarity. Sue Sharlin was found at her armchair. On her rigid face there stood a mixed expression of horror and surprise, such as has never been seen upon human features. Nothing was touched in the room; Schotland Yard has not a single assumption of what might have caused such a malignant and terrible contortion. Sue was deeply loved by many of us, and this loss will be deeply mourned.

Why does Sherlock (or any other player) be surprised with the killer? This is not something to be surprised about. Nothing was touched is strange too.

But I don't have an explanation who was Sue regarding these facts. I may have an idea, but it's strange.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 07:21:50
Well, simply because it is not mentioned further, it means that it has already left us. Also, a skipping course is consistent with its activity.
Well, and so, consider Dryusha as Moro.

Hardly. It seems a little. Dr. Moreau was a vivisector, but he used a scalpel, not a chain sword. Dr. Moreau's literary death also did not resemble the description of Drusha's death. In the book, one of his experiments almost severed the doctor’s arm and inflicted multiple wounds on him. The only thing is that in one place of the book, Dr. Moreau claimed that the muscles do not feel pain and even stuck a small knife in his leg in a carefully chosen place. But a small knife and chain sawing are quite different things. "Meatbag" is a very good indication of a robot. Although there are points of contradiction. Like for example the judge’s cry “BLOOOOOOOD!” Robots have no blood. On the other hand the cry of "DIESEL FUUUUUEEEEL!" less impressive and too clearly would indicate that the executed person is not a human.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 07:24:40
I'll have lectures soon and it'll be hard to write something comprehensive, so I'll write down my idea now.

"Nothing was touched and surprise" - looks like Sue knew the killer, but I see no clue to the killer (so cleanup was there). Can it be a friendly fire? We know who was Alice and she liked to transfer actions. E.g. if mafia's target was Putin mod.2 it could be moved to Sue Sharlin. In that case, perhaps, Sue could be Moro, while Messor's role has to be Marple, as I see no proofs to his role.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 07:37:07
Nothing was touched is strange too.

For killing without evidence, a completely natural description.

In addition, Conan Doyle had similar situations in books. For example, "The Adventure of the Empty House", where Colonel Sebastian Moran killed his victims with a blowgun. Or "The Sign of the Four", where the victim was killed by a poisoned dart, by the way, the face of the victim was also distorted by a terrible smile.


In that case, perhaps, Sue could be Moro, while Messor's role has to be Marple, as I see no proofs to his role.

I doubt that Dr. Moreau "was deeply loved by many of us".
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 07:43:49
But mafia must have love him deeply, nevertheless.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 07:46:32
, at least do not forget to vote, it would be annoying if such a long decision-making process ended in nothing. Just over three hours left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 08:29:41
, хорош прятаться, я знаю, ты где-то здесь! Решил заняться ролеплеем в конце игры, да?

– HEY, what's that speech??
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 08:41:45
, хорош прятаться, я знаю, ты где-то здесь! Решил заняться ролеплеем в конце игры, да?

Why are you SO nervous? Yesterday you told, that you have nothing to say, but still you here and worried about results.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 08:45:23
– HEY, what's that speech??

It seems that my ability to speak foreign languages ​​has erupted!

Actually, I just wanted to make a joke, but forgot to translate it. My apologies.


Why are you SO nervous? Yesterday you told, that you have nothing to say, but still you here and worried about results.

I’m not a bit nervous. There is no doubt in such a methodical person as Uranium. I just wanted to make a joke before he gets back. But in a hurry I forgot about the translation. Mea culpa.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:00:40
Mea culpa.
MORE languages!!  @_@ :scream:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:09:28
Why does Sherlock (or any other player) be surprised with the killer? This is not something to be surprised about. Nothing was touched is strange too.
This is just logical. Sherlock is a boxer, fencer and so on, it is not so easy to defeat him. And some woman got him.
I like this description.
Sorry, you played well during the day, and even broke some of the suspicions. But the totality of the newspaper’s descriptions, including the fact that letters are still being sent to the editorial office (on the sixth night), which I see as a fact of verification, or that Dryusha should be Liz in the rhetoric associated with Shiori, leave little chance. It’s hard for me to believe that Marple was fighting with the Beagles, it’s hard for me to believe that the internal contradictions of the mafia have some other description except for the self-gunshot, including due to the transfer, and not just transfer from one target to another, it’s difficult for me to believe that how much The rhetoric of Mouse was thought out, that he refused to consider Poppins Julik, who has a negative status and is obligatory for verification given suspicions. Fuel is added to the fire by how you defined the role of Goose, and how Messor is most often a mafia, but you were considered peaceful at the beginning of the game. Well, what you thought was extremely peaceful Pastor, although where I can’t get the motivation for that. The finishing touch was on the last night.
These are too many facts that were not broken.

I vote and will not change today, busy. Lose or win - we are done.

Cara mel
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:10:47
Congrats to Mouse and his victory!

Who was the rest of mafia, Mouse?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:13:35
Day 6 Exit Poll

(2): Anony-mouse (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299703#msg1299703), Uranium235 (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299786#msg1299786)
(1): Kara_Mel (https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299673#msg1299673)

Deadline TUE 2 PM. 107 minutes left.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:21:02
Who was the rest of mafia, Mouse?

True to the end, Mary?)))
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:29:12
Who was the rest of mafia, Mouse?

True to the end, Mary?)))


The end is already here, I don't have anything to hide if I were Mary. Uranium made his choice, so I have nothing but to admit, that you outplayed everyone exceptionally well. The only mistake I regret - that I didn't change my vote to you that day. 

This is just logical. Sherlock is a boxer, fencer and so on, it is not so easy to defeat him. And some woman got him.

And others were not surprised to be killed by woman, huh? No, this time I'm not buying it.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:34:41
The end is already here, I don't have anything to hide if I were Mary. Uranium made his choice, so I have nothing but to admit, that you outplayed everyone exceptionally well. The only mistake I regret - that I didn't change my vote to you that day. 

Then you should congratulate not me, but Uranium.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:39:09
The end is already here, I don't have anything to hide if I were Mary. Uranium made his choice, so I have nothing but to admit, that you outplayed everyone exceptionally well. The only mistake I regret - that I didn't change my vote to you that day.

Then you should congratulate not me, but Uranium.


Are you Griffin? No, you are not by your own words. So Uranium is Griffin, as I know, that Griffin was alive alongside with Alice day before.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:41:41
Okay, I had to try, but as expected, I train on the wrong cats, they will play until the end.

I have less against the Mouse. A tidier game at the beginning, without suspects against the proactive at Caramel, did not take the newspaper down at one point, when I was waiting for the mafia to meditate on it for a while.
Aggression in Oliver can be explained not only by a negative status, but also by the understanding that since you were in defense, it’s Beagle or a maniac, in a word, there is no desire to finish it off.
Goose could have some evidence against him. The problem is that this factor cannot be trusted, the neutral could play against the city specifically so as not to be killed. But Gus might not have known about this strategy.
Depression with the desire to lynch me was also with him, at the moment when it would be expected from the mafia, the refusal to draw for the sake of a confident victory instead of demolishing a maniac cannot be considered an impossible decision for the mafia.
And today I generally suggested (indirectly) to skip the vote.
But I can’t confidently see the death of Marple at all. The maximum is in Bratukh, because Shiori attributed it there too, but he attributed it to Sue, although in this case he should have known that this was not true, it was unlikely that he made such a decision.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:46:56
, I will not change my voice in any case, you can not try. I was already ready to ask to make it immutable earlier. If Uranium so skillfully played me, then victory is his.

I also do not think that you will be able to confuse Uranium, since he has seen such psychological games more than once.

We will see all the answers in the last post of GM.



And since the game is not finished yet, judging by the post of GM, I have no right to name my role.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:48:46
If you'll think about Sue as a mafia for a moment (suprise is the key), then who is Messor?

Lightning is a key there, so I can only guess but
Lightning -> electricity -> laptop. Then I can see why city council was paralysed and so on if Sue was mafia.

, I will not change my voice in any case, you can not try. I was already ready to ask to make it immutable earlier. If Uranium so skillfully played me, then victory is his.

I also do not think that you will be able to confuse Uranium, since he has seen such psychological games more than once.

We will see all the answers in the last post of GM.



And since the game is not finished yet, judging by the post of GM, I have no right to name my role.

Change your vote? Are you insane or made a mistake right now?  I know that Uranium is the town, how the heck I need you to change your vote?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 09:54:42
Lightning -> electricity -> laptop.

HAHA. And what role does a herd of carnivorous alpacas hint at?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:00:03
And note, that it was Mouse, who put the idea about me shooting myself. I had no idea that it's possible before he put it out.
Strange knowledge for first analysis of the day.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:06:59
And note, that it was Mouse, who put the idea about me shooting myself. I had no idea that it's possible before he put it out.
Strange knowledge for first analysis of the day.
Yes, I was also somewhat surprised at the implementation of just such a plan.
That is, it’s pretty beautiful, albeit useless, to spend your defense, so I thought that everything should not be so simple.

The problem is that this may be a consequence of the translation, and in general, if the Mouse shoots you initially, then how it will win, it will have about zero reasons for suspecting me and the Pastor.

The power of what I call the reverse information is great; giving an extra night on purpose is a sentence.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:14:22
And note, that it was Mouse, who put the idea about me shooting myself. I had no idea that it's possible before he put it out.
Strange knowledge for first analysis of the day.
Yes, I was also somewhat surprised at the implementation of just such a plan.
That is, it’s pretty beautiful, albeit useless, to spend your defense, so I thought that everything should not be so simple.

The problem is that this may be a consequence of the translation, and in general, if the Mouse shoots you initially, then how it will win, it will have about zero reasons for suspecting me and the Pastor.

The power of what I call the reverse information is great; giving an extra night on purpose is a sentence.

It's not that simple. I'm the only one who goes against Mouse, but you also suspected Pastor. Mouse just dancing around you all this time, so he might expect that you'll go against Pastor.

Also I cannot say for sure, but if there was transferring of the shot to me - it's not making Mouse red too.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:27:51
, you are the most stubborn mafioso I have seen in all games) You should have had lectures, but instead you are sitting here and trying to influence Uranium. Bravo!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:30:51
30 minutes to goooo!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:33:17
Yes, both are true.
But you can also say that you danced around the Pastor.
None of this can serve as a sufficient argument against, I do not hide this and paint only the totality.
I was not so sure as possible, it seemed to you. There was definitely a chance. Even the factor that I was still alive, because I believed you had previously been neutralized by a clarification on the translation mechanics, in which I was not a very tasty target for the Mafia Mouse.
The internal contradictions of the corporation, Dmksin’s blow, amid the muddy description of Dryusha and the mention of Liz in the third newspaper, although she does not belong there by all laws. Say thanks to GM for these facts, they outweigh. I think that without all this, I would annihilate the Mouse, even with your own mistakes in actions, but it makes sense to make discounts on a newbie.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:34:11
, you are the most stubborn mafioso I have seen in all games) You should have had lectures, but instead you are sitting here and trying to influence Uranium. Bravo!

First of all they are distant (we have anti-corona measures too, even though the spread is not that severe as in Russia), secondly - it happen, that I know what is being told, thirdly there will be a recording.

Mouse, I'm not stubborn at all, but you're the luckiest - yes.


Yes, both are true.
But you can also say that you danced around the Pastor.
None of this can serve as a sufficient argument against, I do not hide this and paint only the totality.
I was not so sure as possible, it seemed to you. There was definitely a chance. Even the factor that I was still alive, because I believed you had previously been neutralized by a clarification on the translation mechanics, in which I was not a very tasty target for the Mafia Mouse.
The internal contradictions of the corporation, Dmksin’s blow, amid the muddy description of Dryusha and the mention of Liz in the third newspaper, although she does not belong there by all laws. Say thanks to GM for these facts, they outweigh. I think that without all this, I would annihilate the Mouse, even with your own mistakes in actions, but it makes sense to make discounts on a newbie.

Incorrect - I have suspected Pastor and even tried to see hint to him.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:38:11
And you are not trying. I’m directly saying that Caramel has a better day game than yours.
But this is a completely role-playing mafia, there is still a night one. I am the type of player who puts the night game higher.

If she voted on the third day against you and not the Putin mod, I would really support, and I would be more pleased with this vote than what happened. Information at that time, exclusively on the rhetoric in the subject, excluding descriptions of subsequent deaths.

Incorrect - I have suspected Pastor and even tried to see hint to him.
I did not notice something on the day of the vote against Shiori. Show?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:41:33
That's interesting to see myself among—even close to—mafia, considering the fact that I did not see any suspections and some kind of arguments too today. Can you explain?

The Twelve Chairs interpretation is still here for me, but it's less precise (much much less) than Marple's Yahoo. That's why you're the second.




And dead silence in the topic. Less than 24 hours we have, but it's too early to jump out of discussions.

Mafia in descending order of probability for me now: Mouse -> Pastor -> Uranuim -> Shiori
Todd in descending order of probability: Shiori -> Uranium -> Mouse -> Pastor

If such mumbling will continue - I have nothing but to break this silence with a vote.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:49:52
Mouse, I'm not stubborn at all, but you're the luckiest - yes.

So, I'm so bad as a player that I ended up in the finals only thanks to incredible luck. Thanks for the compliment.


Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:54:27
Considering that 1 mafia and 1 mana remained, he was the last of all the suspicions.
Mouse: 1 + 3 place, Shiori 1 + 4, I 3 + 2. And he has 2 + 4.
I can not interpret it somehow differently, you explained why he was second to the mafia, but it did not follow from this that you would vote on him. Even when he gave a voice in you.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:56:45
Considering that 1 mafia and 1 mana remained, he was the last of all the suspicions.
Mouse: 1 + 3 place, Shiori 1 + 4, I 3 + 2. And he has 2 + 4.
I can not interpret it somehow differently, you explained why he was second to the mafia, but it did not follow from this that you would vote on him. Even when he gave a voice in you.

Because Mouse came out as Marple, I know that he is not! Of course I'll forget about Pastor.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:57:34
In general, Caramel, if the city, you think you know what you did wrong.
And in that case, she could have played in a beautiful way, predicting what move Alice would make, and taking this into account.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 10:57:51
Vote in me is never a trigger to suspect anyone.

In general, Caramel, if the city, you think you know what you did wrong.
And in that case, she could have played in a beautiful way, predicting what move Alice would make, and taking this into account.
Of course I know. But Mouse did not less, but still it is just a game.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:00:50
In general, I have a strong suspicion that we will now congratulate Uranium)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:02:53
 :dead:

In general, I have a strong suspicion that we will now congratulate Uranium)

Playing till the end, Mouse?)))
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:05:41
The Tea Courier

Day 7



            The Queen Is Dead. Long Live Independence!?


A great honor to bring to you the news about the two most important deaths has fallen on me. The first one, you are already aware of no worse than I am—and, unfortunately, I know no more than you do,—but I still have to say it: today the last member of The Hand, Marry Poppins who was long hiding under the pseudonym Karamel, was prosecuted—well, at least we think so.  All the remaining forces of the city, at last united with the aim to capture her, had a hard time, as she, even limping, kept escaping them with ease. Eventually, they trapped her on the rooftop of the Big Ben. Of course, you might remember wild rumours about her broombrella—well, we found out that this wasn't just mere tittle-tattle. Only one old lady's lucky shot that damaged the flying machine didn't allow Mary to flee altogether. Witnesses tell a different picture: some say that she fell into the Isis and stopped functioning due to poor waterproof qualities; others argue that she could swim well, but the tides of the nearest factory waste were too strong. There is also a story of her lucky escape to Eastasia or some other harbour just for recovery before finding a new employer. Knowing a carnivorous nature of such a place as our Old Smoke, the odds of her survival are very bleak, but her will to live is so impressive that... everything is possible, really.

I have to say that the word “death” is not particularly fitting to what happened to the Queen. It was more of a deconstruction. Dismantling. Dissolution. How much of a human remained in her body is unclear, but it surely was not that much. Again, the stories about her last words are different; the last words she synthesized are believed to be: “All my possessions for a quantum of time,” while others insist that she repeated something about the honks. Either way, her rule, call it glorious reign or corporate tyranny, has come to an end. What is waiting us in the future, only time will tell. Until then, I, Fergus Fume, remain your loyal servant.

            — Fergus Fume



            Beloved tea co-consumers,


As you might see, we have to comply with the situation if we're willing to save our business of providing you the freshest news of our—not Corporation anymore—but a community. The new reality is, we are seeking new investment opportunities able to keep us afloat. One option seemed more prominent than others: the mysterious Invisible Man, among his many attempts to legalize and diversify his growing empire, gave us an offer that we gladly accepted.

Now, The Tea Courier as a part of the U-Lon Inc. entity, is ready to proudly present to you our new editor—Miss Marple! In her new column “Crack that nut!”, she will entertain you with the toughest 3-dimensional crosswords and trickiest culinary exercises, as well as spill the tea on the hottest topics of the day! Say hello to Miss Marple!

By the way—we promised you to publish the latest letter that we received tonight. We are sorry that it came too late to stay relevant—but let us keep our promise anyway and publish the message. We think it might be interesting to you:


Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha, you saw right through my deception, seems Marple has her name not just for nothing. Or is she long dead? Ha-ha-ha-ha... Madness corrupts me as the world crumbles apart. Voices... I hear voices... They're calling me...
You. Know. The. Answer.
It. Is. jUst. In. Front. Of. You.
Do. Not. Hesitate.
Do. It.
NOW

It was nice that you made me live for just one more day. I can settle my score with one, who dared violate the laws of her Majesty the Queen. You'll find his dead body. I'll place there the last piece of the puzzle.
——————————
But the game must go on!
Who will not see a new dawn? Whose ego has failed the whole team? Whose twisted deeds served only to his hypocrisy desires? Now it's time to vote off the weakest link!

If we look at the statistics - Kara_Mel wrote more, than anyone else, while Pastor - least than others.

But how will the team vote?



Such a powerful passion in this last outcry of the Queen's Hand—it stands as a good reminder of what we are drifting from. Anyhoo ... Stay tuned—and don't lose hope! We are once again surrounded by a brilliant white light as the tunnel of the ordeal has come to an end. Allow the light to lead you away from your past and into a new lifetime!

            — Stay infused,
              Chiefir the Editor




Day 6 has come to an end.

THE SURVIVALISTS WIN! CHEERS!



Survived (2):

14. — Miss Marple
15. — Griffin the Invisible


Full list of the winners: , , , , , , , ,



London 2077 featured (15):

01. — Alice “Smol Bean” Liddel
02. => — jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx
03. — Biggles
04. — Doctor Moreau the Artie
05. — Orlando
06. — Sherlock Watson, MD
07. — Sweeney Todd
08. — LIZ Bennet
09. — Ebenezer Scrooge
10. — Oliver Twist
11. — Christopher Robin
12. — Reginald Jeeves
13. — Mary Poppins
14. — Miss Marple
15.   — Griffin the Invisible



Huge thanks to everybody who participated in this mad tea party!



THE END
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:08:59
Маус, прости но шансы надо было придумывать на ходу)

Вы удивитесь, но ни один выстрел мафии не прошел в запланированную цель, кроме одного. Угадаете какой выстрел прошел по плану?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:09:20
04.  Sue Sharlin — Doctor Moreau the Artie

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO WHAT A PLOT TWIST
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Anony-mouse от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:13:33
Так-так. Проверка. ГМ разрешил писать на русском, так что для кого это составляло проблему, можете не затруднять себя более. А мышь сделал свое дело, мышь может уходить...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:13:41
...и появляется кот.

Когда GM решил проводить игру, то хотел чтобы помимо его учеников играла хотя бы пара опытных игроков. Отдельно от друг друга согласились shiori и я. Разве что shiori сразу хотел играть под своим аккаунтом, а я думал немного его подразнить из-под нового, но GM по неосторожности раскрыл мое инкогнито перед shiori  :stone: Затем выяснилось, что будут играть еще Уран, Мессор и опытный игрок со стороны, ну а я уже заявился анонимной мышью и так и продолжил ей играть.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:14:34
04. Сью Шарлин- Доктор Моро Арти
09. Bratuxa777- Эбенезер Скрудж
02. CyberKeanu =>  Dmixn- jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx

Восхищаюсь героизмом.
Тут бы даже я мог забить и сдаться. первые сутки без трупов, вторые начинаем с минус 2 и третий афк.
Откуда только мотивация взялась.
Впрочем, это же и объясняет, почему связей я толком не видел - да не с чем сравнивать.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:15:01
Угадаете какой выстрел прошел по плану?

я помню, когда использовала кроличью нору и на следующий день умер da Goose. з... знаешь... это было... больно.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:15:10
Оу, оу, оу. Тогда понятно, что у меня не было шансов с моей маленькой аферой)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:16:40
Угадаете какой выстрел прошел по плану?

я помню, когда использовала кроличью нору и на следующий день умер da Goose. з... знаешь... это было... больно.

Она про выстрел в ногу)))))))
Я же права?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:17:22
Маус, прости но шансы надо было придумывать на ходу)

Мышь прощает. Я вообще не знал бы что писать, если бы Уран мучал меня своими ужасными процентами)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:17:45
Бинго, единственный выстрел, который не был испорчен городом - это выстрел себе в ногу  :sobeauty:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:18:10
я помню, когда использовала кроличью нору и на следующий день умер da Goose. з... знаешь... это было... больно.
Сначала пастор выжил, переведя убийство с себя на своего покровителя. А при следующей возможности – сам подставился под пулю... i cri evrytim ;_;
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:18:58
А что с подсказками? Какие были на ваши роли? (Ну я некоторые знаю, но думаю, интересно было бы узнать)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:19:16
Сначала пастор выжил, переведя убийство с себя на своего покровителя. А при следующей возможности – сам подставился под пулю... i cri evrytim ;_;

кАкаАя ТраГИичеСкаЯ СмЕРТть нНЕТ ТТакК Л Ли ( "qq)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:19:50
я помню, когда использовала кроличью нору и на следующий день умер da Goose. з... знаешь... это было... больно.
Сначала пастор выжил, переведя убийство с себя на своего покровителя. А при следующей возможности – сам подставился под пулю... i cri evrytim ;_;


Сначала пастор выжил, переведя убийство с себя на своего покровителя. А при следующей возможности – сам подставился под пулю... i cri evrytim ;_;

кАкаАя ТраГИичеСкаЯ СмЕРТть нНЕТ ТТакК Л Ли ( "qq)


Я плакала 😢
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:20:18
А что с подсказками? Какие были на ваши роли? (Ну я некоторые знаю, но думаю, интересно было бы узнать)

нУ, за исключением "ВСЕ-ВЫ-ЗНАЕТЕ-ЧЬЕГО-БАРА" и упоминаний Алисы в другом топике... вроде никаких.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:21:54
На самом деле я не знала как работают некоторые правила, но тут оказалось что:

1. Мало того, что выстрел может попасть в защиту, так еще и меня могут заблокировать и выстрела просто не будет;
2. Могут переместить не только абилку (т.е. я считала, что будет сдвиг Cleanupa), но и сам выстрел сдвинется (так погибла Сью, т.к. я даже не думала, что так может работать). Далее была аккуратнее.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:22:14
Оу, оу, оу. Тогда понятно, что у меня не было шансов с моей маленькой аферой)

было так больно! я заблокировала тебя в первую ночь и надеялась, что тебя будет легко повесить после этого....


я помню, когда использовала кроличью нору и на следующий день умер da Goose. з... знаешь... это было... больно.
Сначала пастор выжил, переведя убийство с себя на своего покровителя. А при следующей возможности – сам подставился под пулю... i cri evrytim ;_;

мы умерли вместе, почти в одну ночь.....
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:23:22
В смерти Алисы были цитаты из «Алисы», но это так. В основном, как правильно заметили, про непростую службу и bliss and wonder. Жирнее намёков делать не стал, т.к. город и так уже всё неплохо посчитал.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:24:04
На самом деле я не знала как работают некоторые правила, но тут оказалось что:

1. Мало того, что выстрел может попасть в защиту, так еще и меня могут заблокировать и выстрела просто не будет;
2. Могут переместить не только абилку (т.е. я считала, что будет сдвиг Cleanupa), но и сам выстрел сдвинется (так погибла Сью, т.к. я даже не думала, что так может работать). Далее была аккуратнее.



Я первая попала под твою пулю 😭
Поэтому я и пыталась запугать вас из мира по ту сторону. это, видимо, не сработало)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:24:11
Пастор вообще в конце закрутил со старушкой Марпл. Перевел меня дважды и оба раза на жертв покушения. Хорошо, что он умер, бедняжка, а то боюсь, что он совсем бы утратил ко мне доверие.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:24:40
было так больно! я заблокировала тебя в первую ночь и надеялась, что тебя будет легко повесить после этого...

ТЫ ВЕРНУЛСЯ  :cryout: :cryout: :cryout: :cryout: :cryout: :cryout:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:25:17
Мой последний выстрел был в Ураниума, но его перевели. Мне надо было угадать кто выдал удвоение  :face: Победа была близка.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:25:34
Пастор вообще в конце закрутил со старушкой Марпл. Перевел меня дважды и оба раза на жертв покушения. Хорошо, что он умер, бедняжка, а то боюсь, что он совсем бы утратил ко мне доверие.

о, да. когда я перенаправила тебя и в итоге карамель была ранена, я... я сошла с ума. после этого я вообще утратила силы к аргументации своих действий... и петли, да, петли особенно.

Мой последний выстрел был в Ураниума, но его перевели. Мне надо было угадать кто выдал удвоение  :face: Победа была близка.

я бы повесила тебя в таком случае :^)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:27:13
было так больно! я заблокировала тебя в первую ночь и надеялась, что тебя будет легко повесить после этого...

ТЫ ВЕРНУЛСЯ  :cryout: :cryout: :cryout: :cryout: :cryout: :cryout:

БРАТ. спустился с небес...

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:28:15
БРАТ. спустился с небес...

ночи ожидания прошли не зря. ты... ты знаешь, я даже успела в своих ночных действиях разыграть свадьбу...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:28:44
БРАТ. спустился с небес...

ночи ожидания прошли не зря. ты... ты знаешь, я даже успела в своих ночных действиях разыграть свадьбу...


ночь прошла продуктивно у тебя.....
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:29:31
ночь прошла продуктивно у тебя.....

знаешь, она оказалась последней... :С
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:29:44
Ураниум занимался поиском отсутствия выстрела в 3-ю ночь. А его и не было - я из стратегических соображений не стала его заявлять, т.к. Уборка уже закончилась, а одной давать на себя улики - опасно. Правда потом выяснилось, что на меня улик так никто и не увидел.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:29:56
Все неформатные НД будут в логе :kekeke:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:30:45
ночь прошла продуктивно у тебя.....

знаешь, она оказалась последней... :С
ЗАТО ты пришла ко мне!!!!!!!!!!
хорошая свадьба у тебя выдалась :*
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:31:17
Как говорится: SCP six eighttt two succesfully terminated by CITIIIEZENS-unit! All scp subjects have been secured. Survivers win! Ну я в своем анализе оказался довольно близок к истине - lha оказался таки на стороне "фиолетовой стороны" Я ошибся в shiori анонимусе и уране. Прошу прощения, но на третий день мне казалось так. Но главное - я не ошибся насчет Кары, надеюсь мой анализ ее действий хоть как-то помог мирным выиграть...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:31:58
Ходы урана в этой игре - удвоил мафию (2 раза), выдал чифир городу (3 раза).
Звучит как полный провал, но на самом деле профита больше, чем оно выглядит. Мирным афк чифир наливать можно, в первую ночь ошибка допустима, тем более когда фон остальных не очень, последнее удвоение абсолютно логичный ход. С Сампаем думаю легко могли найтись мирными (но нет, надо было отказаться от предложения и заспунить), взаимные негативные ходы дали бы в итоге четкое понимание, а другие отравления - в господ с защитами, я их не убиваю по факту.
То что Мессор шерлок мысли были периодически, ГМ подтвердит. Играть от двух трупов -  убитых мафий нельзя, остальное вроде раскрутил.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:34:24
но нет, надо было отказаться от предложения и заспунить
Он отказался и заблочил тебя. Такие дуэли всю игру проходили
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:35:06
Как говорится: SCP six eighttt two succesfully terminated by CITIIIEZENS-unit! All scp subjects have been secured. Survivers win! Ну я в своем анализе оказался довольно близок к истине - lha оказался таки на стороне "фиолетовой стороны" Я ошибся в shiori анонимусе и уране. Прошу прощения, но на третий день мне казалось так. Но главное - я не ошибся насчет Кары, надеюсь мой анализ ее действий хоть как-то помог мирным выиграть...
анализ действий - вряд ли.
а в целом пришел и вещал довольно мирно. Все то же самое, но на день раньше, чтобы нового подозреваемого найти, и я за тебя горой встану и удвою до кучи.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:37:45
спасибо за игру :cryout:
мне было так приятно! и смешно и грустно. эта мафия создала что-то большее!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:38:13
Он отказался и заблочил тебя. Такие дуэли всю игру проходили
Я понял про блок, видел же наметки, пишу же, взаимные негативные действия.
Заспунил он днем. Я ждал ответную реакцию от него, надеялся что пойму по риторике есть у него мой блок или нет. Учитывая ночь без смертей, он должен был сильно меня давить. Но у меня была совершенно необходимая задача в таком случае показать ему, что предложение было моим, чтобы реально не поверил в черноту. А он не явился на эту увлекательную дискуссию, тут только про мафский блок и осталось подумать.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:38:33
спасибо за игру :cryout:
мне было так приятно! и смешно и грустно. эта мафия создала что-то большее!

О, да. Положила основу гусиной церкви, которая положила основу... ну, узкий круг знает, чему.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:39:58
Ну я пытался:) Все же с карой я не ошибся в том плане, что ее действия по выпиливанию игроков были... Слишком агрессивными. Слишком рискованными для мирных. Чуйка что ли... Это и натолкнуло меня на ту мысль, что ты и Кара - мафии, так как Кара очень активно тебя защищала. Вообще, у меня подозрения насчет этой связки возникли еще в первую ночь, так что второй пул вопросов должен был быть тебе, но я немного не успел, а потом меня убили, так что было поздно. Я пытался дать советы в меру своих сил, знаний о расположении на столе ролей в тот момент, ну и немного опыта. Всегда - тот кто активнейшим образом сливает других игроков без рассуждений из разряда "авось" является мафией. Конечно бывают исключения, но в среде опытных игроков в мафию они, на мой взгляд, редки. 
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:41:05
Все неформатные НД будут в логе
  :flush:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:41:19
Да, в итоге, из одиннадцати новичков за игрой следили четверо. Но, наверное, это тоже неплохой результат, учитывая все «но» – и отличный, если этим четверым – а ещё и ветеранам – она действительно понравилась :) По крайней мере я получил огромное количество фана за это время. Спасибо всем, кто участвовал и следил!  ^_^
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:43:06
А теперь главное!

Acknowledgements!

Огромное спасибо GMу за проведение очень интересного сезона.
Спасибо за то, что разрешил присоединиться и попробовать силы совершенно левому игроку с иным опытом и стилем игры.
Прошу прощения, если кого-либо обидела в процессе игры - пыталась придерживаться выбранному стилю. Ну и Маус Кот ввел меня в заблуждение, т.к. я была уверена, что там играет полуопытный человек подросткового возраста. Особенно после "educational game".

Если возьмете - с удовольствие попробую себя в будущих сезонах.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:44:36
Ураниум занимался поиском отсутствия выстрела в 3-ю ночь. А его и не было - я из стратегических соображений не стала его заявлять, т.к. Уборка уже закончилась, а одной давать на себя улики - опасно. Правда потом выяснилось, что на меня улик так никто и не увидел.
сейчас бы улик бояться (на самом деле, смысл конечно есть, бывают такие что без шансов). Но каждая лишняя ночь для мирных - это информация с нд, тянуть еще опаснее. Могло получится красиво, если бы Сампай был не оффлайн и поиграл против меня, не взирая на объяснения.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:44:49
Ах, самым обидным было осознание в начале игры, что Кара — так-то, мафия, но вот как прикрутить её причастность к убийствам, основываясь на газетах... это был уже другой вопрос, я даже отчаялась на какое-то время. Если бы не то перенаправление к концу игры...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:46:22
спасибо за игру :cryout:
мне было так приятно! и смешно и грустно. эта мафия создала что-то большее!

Я тоже благодарю всех тех, кто играл. А особенно тех, кто хотел повесить меня в один из первых дней ❤❤❤
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:47:24
кто хотел повесить меня в один из первых дней ❤❤❤

самые приятные воспоминания, так-то!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:47:46
Увы, большая часть новичков оставалась неактивной. У меня были некоторые сложности IRL, поэтому я мало активничал, так как боялся, что не прочитав все обвиню не того, а в мафии голос даже одного игрока, его речь, может иметь решающие значение... Если это возможно, я обязательно поучаствую в следующем сезоне, так как хотя я и прожил в этой игре недолго, но фана получил с избытком... Огромное спасибо вам, уважаемый GM за проведение этой уникальной игры, которая была не просто игрой в мафию, но полноценной историей, со своими жертвами, со своими победами и со своими поражениями. Надеюсь, что все получили от этой игры огромное количество фана, а главное бесценный опыт. Надеюсь поиграть в мафию с вами как-нибудь еще...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:48:38
Все (сколько, три?) улики – потом, но своей последней я особенно горжусь, она просто фантастическая. Следите за руками... Следите. В руках у пастора – обглоданная косточка запечённого гуся. На аватарке Карамели – персонаж из God Eater. А? ;) А? :tip: А-А-А?? :awesome:
Спойлер
I'll show myself out :sad:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:48:56
кто хотел повесить меня в один из первых дней ❤❤❤

самые приятные воспоминания, так-то!

Да, столько мнение о моей персоне я еще не слышала)
А ваша убежденность в том, что я - Лиз, меня неимоверно радовала
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:49:23
Ах, самым обидным было осознание в начале игры, что Кара — так-то, мафия, но вот как прикрутить её причастность к убийствам, основываясь на газетах... это был уже другой вопрос, я даже отчаялась на какое-то время. Если бы не то перенаправление к концу игры...

да.... ты же не можешь сказать всем, что ты знаешь больше..... но.... мамы справились !
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:50:15
Следите за руками... Следите. В руках у пастора – обглоданная косточка запечённого гуся.

...и никто на это не обратил внимание. н и к т о  :sad:

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ну, кроме меня, конечностно же
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:51:47
Все (сколько, три?) улики – потом, но своей последней я особенно горжусь, она просто фантастическая. Следите за руками... Следите. В руках у пастора – обглоданная косточка запечённого гуся. На аватарке Карамели – персонаж из God Eater. А? ;) А? :tip: А-А-А?? :awesome:
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I'll show myself out :sad:

Мастерство сразу видно!!!
Великолепно. И еще отдельное спасибо за игру
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:53:16
И еще отдельное спасибо за игру
Спасибо на добром слове, Лиз!  xD2
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:55:21
Все (сколько, три?) улики – потом, но своей последней я особенно горжусь, она просто фантастическая. Следите за руками... Следите. В руках у пастора – обглоданная косточка запечённого гуся. На аватарке Карамели – персонаж из God Eater.

Я даже особо не стал ломать голову. То есть, я нашел злодея из Ральфа - гонщика Короля-Карамель(он же Турбо), выяснил, что мотоцикла у него не было, а дальше не стал заморачиваться. Так как некоторые ГМы живут в параллельных вселенных  :abyss:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 11:58:27
Все (сколько, три?) улики – потом, но своей последней я особенно горжусь, она просто фантастическая. Следите за руками... Следите. В руках у пастора – обглоданная косточка запечённого гуся. На аватарке Карамели – персонаж из God Eater.

Я даже особо не стал ломать голову. То есть, я нашел злодея из Ральфа - гонщика Короля-Карамель(он же Турбо), выяснил, что мотоцикла у него не было, а дальше не стал заморачиваться. Так как некоторые ГМы живут в параллельных вселенных  :abyss:


Мотоцикл настолько прямолинейно)) Подпись - слова их песни.

(https://c.radikal.ru/c18/2004/07/bfbeeb8a27de.jpg)



*из. Тяжело без редактирования опечаток  :face:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Sue Sharlin от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:00:11
Все (сколько, три?) улики – потом, но своей последней я особенно горжусь, она просто фантастическая. Следите за руками... Следите. В руках у пастора – обглоданная косточка запечённого гуся. На аватарке Карамели – персонаж из God Eater.

Я даже особо не стал ломать голову. То есть, я нашел злодея из Ральфа - гонщика Короля-Карамель(он же Турбо), выяснил, что мотоцикла у него не было, а дальше не стал заморачиваться. Так как некоторые ГМы живут в параллельных вселенных  :abyss:


Мотоцикл настолько прямолинейно)) Подпись - слова их песни.

(https://c.radikal.ru/c18/2004/07/bfbeeb8a27de.jpg)



ТЭЙЛОР СВИИИИИИФТ. I don't trust nobody and nobody trust me 😏
Ohh.. Look what you made me doo...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:01:03
Мотоцикл настолько прямолинейно)) Подпись - слова их песни.

Не, я люблю гадать хинты. Но я так же понимаю, что это вспомогательное действие, и зачастую можно обойтись и без него. И ситуация выглядела именно такой.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:01:40
Помню в какую-то из первых ночей нашла подсказку на блок Орландо, но она осталась проигнорированной... Это был нож в спину.  :aranai:

Спойлер
с тех пор я
Спойлер
забила на поиск подсказок
Спойлер
но потом щи обвинил меня в "нелегальных связях с шотландией"
Спойлер
и я провела два часа в поисках опровержений этому
Спойлер
что, впрочем, тоже осталось проигнорированным
 :misery:

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:02:53
но потом щи обвинил меня в "нелегальных связях с шотландией"

Лучше Шотландия, чем Венгрия! Или нет?)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:02:58
Я уже столкнулся с парой вопросов о будущих играх. Честно говоря – не знаю. Вести их очень труднозатратно, и я об этом пока не думал, так что если возьмусь – точно не раньше лета и точно в другом формате. На английском – только если все согласятся Х) Кто-нибудь другой может загореться и провести игру самостоятельно, я бы тогда, может, и поучаствовал. А может, всё закончится разовой акцией. Если хотите – пишите сюда или мне свои мысли на этот счёт, тогда и видно будет, что делать дальше. Но это явно нескорое дело.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:03:29
Разве что shiori сразу хотел играть под своим аккаунтом, а я думал немного его подразнить из-под нового, но GM по неосторожности раскрыл мое инкогнито перед shiori
Мммм, не, Лэйзи, ты сам в чате спалился, когда пнул меня газету разбирать. Я правда не был уверен, что Анон это точно ты, но далее по бурчащему стилю практически уверен стал. А ШЪ вообще-то никак тебя не сливал мне.

Подробнее попозже отпишусь.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:03:45
Лучше Шотландия, чем Венгрия! Или нет?)

нет, хикару, лучше уж махакам.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:05:25
Кстати, почти всю игру думал, что Хивай это Ниртуля. Ололошки.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:06:44
Интересно, а кто-нибудь разгадал загадку с shiori, когда он бежал окруженный морем крови? Просто она написана, как мне показалось, с моей небольшой идейной помощью...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:08:16
Да, в итоге, из одиннадцати новичков за игрой следили четверо. Но, наверное, это тоже неплохой результат, учитывая все «но» – и отличный, если этим четверым – а ещё и ветеранам – она действительно понравилась :) По крайней мере я получил огромное количество фана за это время. Спасибо всем, кто участвовал и следил!  ^_^

Мощнейшая работа, что сказать. Отвечать только на мои вопросы - это многие часы, но наш ведущий велик, могуч и справился.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:08:42
Ой, да, я вернул форум в регулярный вид. Для новоприбывших и желающих остаться он стал чуть больше.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:09:02
Интересно, а кто-нибудь разгадал загадку с shiori, когда он бежал окруженный морем крови? Просто она написана, как мне показалось, с моей небольшой идейной помощью...
Я в самом конце уже сформулировал версию, что Шиори убивала не мафия, а он сам себя взрывом.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:09:13
Мотоцикл настолько прямолинейно)) Подпись - слова их песни.

Не, я люблю гадать хинты. Но я так же понимаю, что это вспомогательное действие, и зачастую можно обойтись и без него. И ситуация выглядела именно такой.

Кстати, я не знаю как правильно их гадать, поэтому придумала про Марпл/браузер/историю. Как все было красиво в теории  :tantrum: Вообще все, что было с момента моей "разгадки" хинта на Марпл - была одна сплошная импровизация в реальном времени. Плана никакого не было, поэтому обвинять/защищаться пришлось сходу. Ну а дальше как уж вышло. То, что победой не пахнет - было понятно когда пол состава были неактивными. Но отыграть до конца в первой игре - скорее дело чести, чем просто сдаться или молча сидеть и ждать финала.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:09:56
Мммм, не, Лэйзи, ты сам в чате спалился, когда пнул меня газету разбирать. Я правда не был уверен, что Анон это точно ты, но далее по бурчащему стилю практически уверен стал. А ШЪ вообще-то никак тебя не сливал мне.

Бедолага, ты совсем потерял память) Ты сам спрашивал у Ш. есть ли в игре другие игроки с форума.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:14:50
Ах, самым обидным было осознание в начале игры, что Кара — так-то, мафия, но вот как прикрутить её причастность к убийствам, основываясь на газетах... это был уже другой вопрос, я даже отчаялась на какое-то время. Если бы не то перенаправление к концу игры...
А почему просто Мышь не проверила? Ну спалился он марпл, значит, у тебя его чек или данные, или жизнь (или пропуск - но это равно мафии скорее всего, сейчас бы марпл пропускать).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:15:23
нет, хикару, лучше уж махакам.

О, это аниме всё еще смотрят?)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:17:00
А почему просто Мышь не проверила?
ну, знаешь, когда тебе в открытую советуют чекать, а не перенаправлять, невольно тянешься к кнопочке "добавить х а о с а". и это была ошибка, тащемта :[

О, это аниме всё еще смотрят?)
я помню его со времён своей молодости!

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:17:11
Ты сам спрашивал у Ш. есть ли в игре другие игроки с форума.
Я знал, что они есть, но не знал, кто, сколько и под какими масками же.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:20:19
Кстати, я не знаю как правильно их гадать, поэтому придумала про Марпл/браузер/историю. Как все было красиво в теории   Вообще все, что было с момента моей "разгадки" хинта на Марпл - была одна сплошная импровизация в реальном времени. Плана никакого не было, поэтому обвинять/защищаться пришлось сходу. Ну а дальше как уж вышло. То, что победой не пахнет - было понятно когда пол состава были неактивными. Но отыграть до конца в первой игре - скорее дело чести, чем просто сдаться или молча сидеть и ждать финала.
Увы, это огромная проблема улик, что играть негом нельзя просто так, надо палится какой-то ролью (а лучше несколькими), и все время держать в голове кем ты выглядишь и какие у тебя были действия (виртуозно - палится двумя-тремя ролями - для разных игроков с разными резами, чтобы не было противоречий).
За Гусь Орландо или Шерлок на первом уровне уже можно выгонять. Без отдельного напоминания в правилах, что не отсекая свою роль играть не следует, ибо это все равно вскрытие, единственно верная игра - исполнять максимально безопасно, без любых мыслей об своей убитой роли (даже очевидные предположения - откидывать по любой причине).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:40:30
в общем-то, да, крутецки было, на самом деле! яб ещё раз сыграла, ну, с более активными игроками, если вы понимаете, к чему я. 6-7 неактивных игроков ( ""qq)
в какой-то момент я даже подумала, что сама игра до конца не доживёт с такой активностью. однако!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 28, 2020, 12:55:10
Ну, это если только у кого-то еще найдутся силы и время для ГМства. Ноша для старичков уже тяжёлая. Да еще те, кто берутся, чаща всего для своего гмского увеселения придумывают настолько замороченные и экспериментальные сеттинги, что от одного взгляда даже у ветеранов уши заворачиваются.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 28, 2020, 13:08:48
Ну, это если только у кого-то еще найдутся силы и время для ГМства. Ноша для старичков уже тяжёлая. Да еще те, кто берутся, чаща всего для своего гмского увеселения придумывают настолько замороченные и экспериментальные сеттинги, что от одного взгляда даже у ветеранов уши заворачиваются.

Было бы крайне любопытно попробовать провести что-то подобное, поскольку формат весьма интересный.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 13:30:27
в какой-то момент я даже подумала, что сама игра до конца не доживёт с такой активностью.
У меня уже был план по шатдауну, который я был готов запустить в любую минуту. В итоге хватило терпения запустить более умеренный план А по выпилу офферов и дождаться следующего дня. Тут-то всё и наладилось.

настолько замороченные и экспериментальные сеттинги, что от одного взгляда даже у ветеранов уши заворачиваются.
Если бы я провёл ещё игру, то именно такую. Возможно, компактную, но какую-нибудь хитрую.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 28, 2020, 15:07:51
Коротко впечатления.

Игра получилась весьма неплохой, несмотря на большое количество модкиллов.
Понравился футурно-абсурдистский сет и весьма элегантный стиль газет.
Порадовали активностью опытные игроки, Уран и Лэйзи. Отдельная похвала — Карамель-тян за хорошие разборы, активность и борьбу до конца. Ну, и, конечно, респекты тем неопытным в мафии игрокам, которые тоже показали достойное погружение в процесс и неплохо себя проявили.

Я играл довольно лениво, тк и роль предполагала, и об стены текста ломался, и вообще. Но в целом +/- боеготовность показал.

Немного не хватало информации в газетах, повесы были слишком интуитивными, пожалуй, хинты, кажется, особо никто не гадал. Но в целом это лучше, чем вскрытие на вскрытии.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 28, 2020, 20:29:33
Suggestion: PM your creative thingies of any sort (like, texts, verses, pics, memes, songs, money...) that I could include them into the epiloggue. Deadline, let's say, is coming in 24 hours.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 29, 2020, 16:43:35
Было бы крайне любопытно попробовать провести что-то подобное, поскольку формат весьма интересный.

Если нечего делать будет, можешь полистать старые игры, в том числе архивы. Там довольно интересные игры можно накопать, тем более, если брать самые старые, то там флуда немного.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 29, 2020, 19:14:31
Лог почти готов. Кто хотел – досылайте ваши досылки, опубликую через час-два.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Game Master от Апреля 29, 2020, 21:38:01
ЛОГ (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iDZ47JexoLLPRjLhqjLW1Q7y9AyXtWA2Nr_i2wSXK1s/edit?usp=drivesdk) (исправленная ссылка)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 29, 2020, 22:20:28
Спасиба за лог. Пару слов по поводу своей собственной игры. Вижу, что комментарий об удачливости от Кара_Мел совсем небезосновательный, так как меня должны были грохнуть в первую же ночь.
По игре я люблю быть подозреваемым - легче избежать повеса днем, чем пули или ножа ночью. Так же, мне кажется, что игрок может отказываться голосовать за кого-то или против кого-то без дополнительных объяснений, так как я уже говорил в теме, что информацию может быть и запрещено сливать, но самому действовать согласно полученной информации логично и естественно. Неестественно и плохо - кричать "верьте мне >_<" и призывать голосовать так же, как и ты.

А сюжет завернулся забавный. Мафия потеряла двоих на вторую ночь, но зато к этому же сроку полностью провалила шансы города на объединение городской группы.

ЗЫ. И я не заметил авторского объяснения хинтов!
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 29, 2020, 22:55:01
Если же расписать по ночам...

Первой ночью я отправился проверять Кара_Мел, так как игрок заявился с опытом, но незнакомый, хотелось какую-то информацию иметь. Статус оказался положительным, из-за чего большую часть игры поддерживал односторонний пакт о ненападении в теме.
Второй ночью пошел к Джулику, так как надеялся, что выживание объяснялось самолечением, и хотелось найти Шерлока, чтобы познакомиться. А нашел отрицательного Оливера, да еще и узнал, что со знакомствами теперь полный облом. В дальнейшем выступал против нее, так как у города был лишь один Оливер такой, а с другой стороны были Тодд, Орландо(ну он вообще с третьей стороны) и мафы Моро и Скрудж, у которых был гораздо больше шансов на лечения и защиты нежели у отрицательных горожан.
Третья ночь - решил проверить Сэмпая, так как выступление его было несколько странным и очень кратковременным. Оказался (covid)положительным.
Четвертая ночь - хотел проверить Гуся, активного, но малопродуктивного игрока. По ответу на НД подумал не то, что меня блокировали, а то, что Гуся угостили Ассамом, что заблокировало моё НД, но не спасло его от убийства. Почему подумал - в ответе не только было заявлено о провале, но и было сообщено о смерти Гуся - вот я и подумал, что это намек на роль Гриффина.
Пятая ночь - живых игроков оставалось мало, поэтому отправился к Пастору, так как по логике Уран должен был быть городским - уж слишком извращением было бы помещать Ментора в банду(не то чтобы Уран не справился, но новички бы такому не обрадовались бы). Но Пастор броском через бедро швырнул меня в Кара_Мел, чьи данные у меня уже имелись.
Шестая ночь - с ролями уже было все понятно(главное, по крайней мере), поэтому я просто хотел добраться до Пастора, что и удалось.

Вообще, было бы интересно, если бы все активные игроки расписали мотивировки своих собственных действий. 
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 29, 2020, 23:01:06
Я думал будут расшифровки моментов в газете, что именно где описывалось. Походу много хочу, привык уже к такому способу оформления.

По ходам - Пастор получается чистое ЛИ, не смотря на небольшую ошибку в конце (а я просто не смог сруинить достаточно много, хотя усердно пытался).
Мафия то оказывается убивает бигля, и туда же я иду со своей недопушкой. А приоритет килов такой, что мафия сбивает защиту, и мой выстрел попадет на ласт гудбай, вот это эпичный был бы конец.

Перевод не сильный как таковой (сильна роль с силовое+чек). Перевод непонятный в части описания. Походу не я один не понял, что он смещает именно цель НД на одну позицию вниз, в итоге сразу 2 кила полетели слишком не так, как планировалось (а ведь этого легко избежать, если неги будут знать, что не надо бить того, кто в списке надо тобой/напом).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shryggur от Апреля 29, 2020, 23:07:03
Погодите, вы не видите комментариев?? Их там... много.

было бы интересно, если бы все активные игроки расписали мотивировки своих собственных действий.
Согласен. Ещё интересно, если бы каждый отписал (если есть что) по пунктам в конце лога - роли, правила, газеты, ведение и опыт с английским.


, в итоге сразу 2 кила полетели слишком не так, как планировалось
Самое смешное то, что щиори сам предложил такую схему - и сам же на неё напоролся


В соседней теме ещё опрос для оценки игры в целом

Разрешил комментарии к логу, мб так появятся мои (иначе придётся долго и мучительно писать их на страницу). Проверьте (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iDZ47JexoLLPRjLhqjLW1Q7y9AyXtWA2Nr_i2wSXK1s/edit?usp=drivesdk)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 29, 2020, 23:38:52
Проверьте

О Боже Мой Это Что Ссылки На Прекрасные Аудиокомпозиции Прямо В Комментариях О Мой Гусь
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 29, 2020, 23:50:57
>Pastor - he is driving his brand-new four-wheel drive and goes to the pub each night, singing drunk-songs and messing with the hostess
I am the hostess.  :aranai:

чуть позже отпишу мб свою мотивацию кого-то переводить/чекать (больше переводить, ага) ...но позже
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 30, 2020, 00:05:19
Ну мои мотивации несложно описать.
Я действительно видел Карамель самой мирной на общем фоне. Для меня нехарактерно отсылать действия именно в таком палевном виде - то есть открыто в теме говорить кто мне мирный/мафия, и туда же отсылать позитивное/негативное действие.
Но я действительно хотел дать шанс поиграть на более базовом уровне другим, и потому мои ходы можно было вычислить по риторике. Обычно я создаю с этим чуть больше трудностей.

Как вы должны знать (но возможно, просто не оформляли эту мысль в голове), удвоение ход имеющий обратную информацию. Точно также как перевод, замедление, и в конкретно этой игре блок и лечение.
То есть, игрок который удвоен - или получил любое другое предложение знает об этом. И разбирая газету, может найти этот момент, если он описан даже легким намеком, чтобы сказать - вот тут такая-то роль была удвоена (переведена, замедлена etc). Таким образом, силовая роль, которая как правило никакой другой инфы не имеет получает информацию о возможной роли своей цели. С поправкой на то, что нехорошка может соврать, разумеется.
Ну и понятное дело, ведущий имеет право не давать подобный намек в газете вообще, тогда "найти" его в каком-то странном месте уже попахивает вскрытием. Или нет, уж смотря как написана газета.
В общем, Карамель был предоставлен шанс сказать, какая именно роль была удвоена, и она не сказала. Да, не было намека в газете, но это посеяло первое зерно сомнения. Ну и по идее, мафия должна была в этот момент понять меня как вероятного гриффина, но не точно, само собой.
Удвоение в ту же ночь - действие довольно сильное, и не может удвоить выстрел мафии. Потому я однозначно предпочел его чифиру (а ассам вообще крайне опасная штука, я лучше пропущу ход, в смысле, выпью чай сам, чем заблокирую чек по негативу).

Дальше был день, интуиция подсказала мне что Сью подозрительна, маловато писала для игрока со стажем, в котором признание было совершенно добровольным, но еще я начал подозревать Мессора за офферство. По итогу дня подумал, что мессор если нег, то чай не примет (и вообще, я его по фразе лучше бы знакомится и ночь покажет считал биглем, который готов заряжать ласт гудбай). Сью решил дать шанс. Шиори подозревал, но из-за опроса решил дать ему возможность умереть от рук других негативов, прежде чем заявлюсь с чайком. афк братуха/дмксин отказались бы от чая изза офферства -я не знал, что оказывается, ведущий готов кидать рандом на прием в этом случае.
Опасность была в том, что чифиром можно убить мафию 1 раз - в дальнейшем они будут отказываться. Я конечно получаю чек, что такой от отказался, значит скорее всего нег - вот только чек условный, и не особо нужный, я ведь и так игрока подозреваю. Потому по идее, я должен быть внезапен, как лось в аквариуме, когда посылаю игроку чифир, чтобы он думал, что это удвоение и принимал не задумываясь, даже подозревая мою роль.
В общем, сказав что голос в ннв подозрительный, я следуя логике, по которой даю шанс увидеть другим мои действия, ограничился 3 игроками с ннв.
Мыши я прямо сказал, что он был плох, но исправился, такой ход нелогичен. Дрюша первый вылез разбирать опрос. Я НЕ исключал в тот момент, что он может быть Лиз куда чаще, чем игрок средний игрок в вакууме, поэтому выбрал Путин-мода (забыл про это после смерти Сью, и очень зря). Альтернативный ходом - если бы чифир не проходил одновременно с выстрелом мафии в меня было удвоение пастора - как мне казалось, мирного игрока. Приоритета в тот момент еще не было, пришлось отсылать условный ход.
Пастор, как выяснилось не подвел, и спас меня от страшного провала, умереть об хохла мирным это редкое анти-достижение. Ну и выпал блок, что отсекло Путин-моду маньяка и мафстрелка, да и вообще он чай выпил, потому предложения его выгнать позднее давали минусы шиори (у него был намек) и карамели, о которых я помалкивал, помятуя о том, что чем дальше, тем сложнее поить чифиром негов. Но минусы карамели пока успешно нивелировались сколько-то активной игрой днем.

Сампай был выбран как рандомный спун, который не выгонял дрюшу, но бывал онлайн, и потому не заоффит (разумеется, если бы у меня килл не имел ограничение в виде того, чтобы жертва должна была согласится его принять, я бы помог гму минимализировать модкилл и попробовал/грохнул дмксина с 0 постов - но считал вероятным исходом отказ от чая, то есть с тем уже успехом можно пропускать ход). Ну и я уже проговорился, что подозреваю его, но не так явно как мессора - в тот момент я вспомнил, как он модкильнулся на продоте мирным за афк, и несколько снизил градус подозрений.
После ночи, разумеется, я должен был давить, чтобы он если придет, понял, от кого было предложение. Также ждал от него встречной контратаки, допуская, что он и есть блокер, и возможно, мирный блокер (реакция на подозрения вполне естественна). Смена голоса рассматривалась вполне. Мышь палилась что у него что-то есть на него хорошее, но у меня были большие сомнения, что хорошее существует, я силу чека статуса, например, оценивал слабо, учитывая что в мафии половина имеет плюс, аналогично с оружием, отказ от чая - больший признак мафа. Вот приди он и скажи что-то вроде, я мирный, но меня все подозревают, я бы задумался что причина отказа в том что он подозревал чифир - но тогда должен был бы подозревать меня как самого очевидного автора, после рассказа о том, что такое принцип направления действий (намек на то, что я вижу его как своего блокера).
Поскольку газета показала, что вероятнее всего, в ней показывается не лишение голоса, а именно сбитие защиты, Жулик (Юля, как позже выяснилось), попала под подозрение как возможный маньяк (на тот момент мессор вернулся в мафы из-за описания, и меня давила его фраза, что мол мафия и ман бахнули друг друга). Я решил, что Поппинс или Тодд (или даже лечение от мафии/орландо) это куда вероятнее в сумме чем оливер. Путин-мода послушал про бигля и согласился, найдя применение в первую мировую этой штуки на М, и потому в худшем случае я бы сбивал оливеру вторую защиту против больших шансов попасть в нега. Разумеется, именно худший шанс и случился. У шиори была аналогичная картина, но снова вернулось желание дать убить его негам, раз была попытка, да и риск что чай не выпьет, потому что поймет чем пахнет был высок.
День все думаю помнят. Я исключил Мыши все кроме марпл, и уже спрашивал, могу ли я описать исключения, чтобы вывести его марпл, а то мне не нравились голоса пастора и гуся вчера, плюс инвикта мог повторить. Не то чтобы я прямо ему поверил, совсем нет. Просто у меня не было убитой марпл, и я должен был найти альтернативу в живых, что проще сделать, если она будет знать об этом.
Число живых мафий упорно не сходилось на двух, но и одна точно была (еще бы, Сью мафией увидеть я не знаю как должен был в тот момент, да и сейчас не уверен), но инвикта действительно не могла быть стрелком. А карамель мышь и пастор образовали неплохую такую круговую непару, и я решил, что если это было продумано мафами, то пусть выигрывают, а я буду играть от простых вещей. А простая вещь была в том, что опрос как ни крути не выводил мафией шиори, но ему очень хорошо шел ман по сбитой защите и знанию роли братухи (аккуратной). После того, как он решил натягивать себе оливера, мне все стало понятно с ним, в отличии от остальных. Пастор и Мышь очень походили на миров, которые "что-то знают про карамель", но на ее стороне была неплохая риторика в теме, отказываться от первых впечатлений оказалось тяжеловато. Я решил, что могу с кем-то из них ошибаться, хотя подозревал сильнее всего именно карамель, конечно же. После отката пастора от гриффина у нее не должно было остаться вариантов для моей мирной роли, а там какие-то проценты маньяка вылезали, как будто она себе этого гриффина натянуть хочет. В общем, начал параноить связку инвикта с пастором или мышью, или очень тотальное непонимание опроса шиори, и тогда выгонять карамель было нельзя категорически. Поэтому принял решение выгнать точного нега. На самом деле, решение довольно ошибочное, шиори и карамель могли бы сделать ничью, так как Пастор не переголосовал. Но при более зрелом рассуждении, я решил, что он куда скорее алиса, чем карамель кто-то там (ей ролей вообще не осталось, шерлока отсекала).
Исходя из этого, алиса получила удвоение. Я допускал, что все-таки шансы что мышь мафия есть, слишком странным был откат от робина, которого карамель брала себе вообще без вопросов. Но я неверно представлял механику удвоения.
Думал, вот у пастора есть 2 перевода. Меня переводить глупо, в него же полетит пуля, если я нег (я правда думал, что перевод смещает цель на +1 от меня, а не от моей цели). Зато он может перевести карамель (в мышь) и мышь (в меня). Тогда если умру я, то карамель точно не мафия, и либо мышь стреляла и попала в меня переводом, либо никакого перевода не было вовсе. карамель знает, переводили ее или нет. Если да, для нее жива алиса, и мышь проиграет. Если нет, то я надеялся, что все-таки осознание, что я должен был удваивать алису (ну не чекера же, который не может узнать ничего нового для себя все равно, и итак считает меня мирным), а значит, было 2 перевода.
Ну либо он делает 2 чека, один из которых дает точную инфу, а я умираю так, и остается только выбрать, у него тру-чек или мафия он сам. В любом случае, после моей смерти должны разобраться, у шерлока то тоже есть предложение, то есть карамель мирная может подтвердить себя кому-то из игроков - а если мне, то я еще и не отлетаю, ведь думал что хедшоты потрачены, да и переводы.
Разумеется, из-за неверного понимания механики все пошло не по плану. Но удвоение алисы я в газете видел, осталось подтвердить, понимает ли игрок, что из ниоткуда оно не падает. Понимает. Намеков на самострелов видел 2 (по факту он один), но у меня была возможность дать шерлоку шанс вылечить меня, и тогда мышь уйдет завтра, если хедшот не остался. В принципе, можно было проголосовать сразу как я узнал, что мне не поступало предложений, а чай был принят, но я на тройке в первый раз (это правда), и хотелось отработать как следует, ибо а вдруг.

теперь комменты видно. Возможно, я просто не подумал что надо подвинуть страницу.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 30, 2020, 01:33:52
>pastor – the smolest of the beans & the beanest of the smols.

I AM. Ahem!

В первую же ночь было не особо сложностно определиться с дальнейшими действиями, т.к. до меня сразу дошёл ход работы скиллов и всего из него вытекающего, плюс ко всему Мессор (в моём же баре!! :0) уверял всех в своей мирности, почему б не чекнуть? Конечно, по ходу игры он ушёл в неактив и интерес к нему как к роли значительно упал. Полученная инфа, конечно, не удовлетворила — на момент подумала, что Мессор маньяк.

Решила сразу же анализировать газету, а именно — интервью. Вышло не совсем подробно и точно, т.к. на инглише всё же сложнее анализировать (об этом чуть позже!).

На вторую ночь уже было сложней определиться, очень мало было активных игроков. Сильно разочаровала неактивность, +неясны были мотивы записавшихся, которые всю игру были афк. Именно по этой причине решила уже вносить в игру немного хаоса и менять всё напрочь, а Карамель — у-ух, очень крутецестноский стиль игры, на самом деле, порой даже не верила, что она может быть мафией! мой низчайшностный поклон и повышение до степени "вайфу" (кхм, все же видели нашу свадьбу?? без согласия Карамели, к-конечно же... а?? как вам?? >D) — была как раз активным игроком! Получить в ответ на свой пост "ДОЛГОВУЮ ЯМУ" (thx kaiji) вместо "КРОЛИЧЬЕЙ НОРЫ" было жутким потрясением, вообще-то. Смерть Братухи и осознание, что он Скрудж... в общем, это помогло выяснить, что скорее всего Кара — Мэри Поппинс, но вот доказательств никаких предоставить не удавалось и не удалось бы, так что пришлось сжимать свой терпильный кулак до хруста костей...

Опять же, участвовать в дневных обсуждениях становилось сложнее и сложнее, особенно из-за огромных постов Урана (за это, кстати, +100 к карме ему и респект, яб не выдержала столько анализировать и чекать, но читать это всё было, так-то, сложностно, особенно из-за переводчика), но я пыталась. Вроде, даже успешно :^)

Щи был случайностной целью, он вроде как и активил в топике, но быстро пропадал. Только к концу игры развеяла свои сомнения насчёт него, хотя часто меняла свое мнение и позже даже искренне считала, что он был Гриффином.

На четвёртую ночь решила снова вернуться к своей вайфу и одарить её порцией кроликов на голову, поскольку то упоминание долговой ямы не давало мне покоя. Плюс ко всему, всю игру ко мне было меньше всего подозрений, и это был бы действительно хороший ход в виде моего убийства, тут и не придерёшься ни к чему... но, чёрт, я... обрекла своего Господа на мучительную смерть. Он погиб за мои грехи с алкоголем и флудом в баре, видимо :_<
труЪ god. ...Ну и да, её поведение действительно поменялось днём, от её постов веяло отчаянием и безразличием, казалось, прекрасная леди Мэри была готова сдаться. Было ошибкой, наверное, брать это за единственный аргумент против неё, но я не могла сказать, что Гусь был моим щитом... так что не удалось убедить остальных, к сожалению.

На пятую ночь пришлось перевести Мышь (ох, уже Кота!) и... атакованная Карамель сбила меня с толку окончательно (не знала, что Мэри может себя атаковать), ломая все мои предыдущие догадки на её счёт. Плюс удвоение от Урана дало шанс хотя бы чекнуть её (теперь, в принципе, понятно, почему он так резко осудил моё высказывание о том, что щи — Гриффин), но получив ответ, думала, что она Оливер (да. это рушило все прошлые догадки).

И на свою последнюю-в-этой-жизни ночь долго металась между игроками, в итоге вернулась к Карамели и совершила огромную ошибку. До дедлайна думала о том, чтобы поменять своё действие, но потом одумалась: решила, что не буду идти на поводу у всяких Мышей и пойду по своей вытоптанной тропинке!.. и пошла. вернее, ушла. навсегда.

Меньше всего подозрений всю игру было к Урану, не верила, что будучи мафом можно так искусно стелить и фуллово изучать газету. Больше всего подозрений, наверное, к Карамели/Мыши, т.к. первая хоть и давала анализ других игроков, отвлекая внимание от себя, но НД... ох, эти НД. А второй... ну, чего только стоит одно "нет-нет, я не маньяк!" с [КРАСНОРЕЧИЕ(-м) 100/60] и прятки за спиной Урана :Д

Спойлер
Вообще, на время quarantino мафия стала причиной, по которой я заставляла себя встать с кровати, лол. Как же приятно было чекать топики по сто раз на дню, пребывать в адовом ожидании результатов и трястись из-за хинтов! Мне кажется, я за всю жизнь столько раз не нажимала "F5", как за этот месяц.

На самом деле, игра неплохо импрувнула мои скудные познания в английском, даже смотивировала на написание ~4к ужасных, но в то же время обворожительных, слов.
Особенно приятностно было расписывать огромные посты с описаниями действий, обожаю ролплей как таковой, а тут ещё такая возможность появилась :>
...всяко лучше чем в ирл мафии (в которой я, кстати, полный ноль) пальчиком тыкать на жертв или писать /block %username%
P.S: я чисто случайностно, клянусь всеми существующими гусями, использовала песенку в описании НД и не пожалела — позже, закинув во флудильню HEAVENS GATE, в прямом и переносном смысле открыла врата рая ТТ"
P.P.S: каждый раз было больно видеть хинты на церковный бар и наблюдать ноль реакции от игроков на него. какая поразительная беспомощность ТТ"

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>“I liked it so much to search recipes in the Yahoo that this time I am looking for a recipe for Al Pastor tacos.”
awwww <3 that's even better than huge posts of mine

СЕТТИНГ: 11/10cybergratitude
ГАЗЕТЫ: 11/10george's fate made me cry Т_Т
АКТИВНОСТЬ ИГРОКОВ: 3/10cyberdisrespect
ЖЕЛАНИЕ ЖИТЬ: 11/10gooseblessing
ЦЕРКОВЬ-БАР: 100000/10definitely-not-bar-owner
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 30, 2020, 01:40:21
обожаю ролплей как таковой
То есть, тебя вряд ли стоит звать в улики (игра по сложности наподобие этой), но с большим шансом пойдешь в антуражную мафию (там правила будут ближе к классике, зато ролеплея вагон и тележка. Ну по крайней мере от тех кто этого хочет, я чаще тактично пережидаю, и врываюсь уже "по делу", с хитрыми планами).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 30, 2020, 01:48:06
То есть, тебя вряд ли стоит звать в улики (игра по сложности наподобие этой), но с большим шансом пойдешь в антуражную мафию (там правила будут ближе к классике, зато ролеплея вагон и тележка. Ну по крайней мере от тех кто этого хочет, я чаще тактично пережидаю, и врываюсь уже "по делу", с хитрыми планами).

Мб-мб. Хотя не думаю, что вывезу фулл-ролплей. Всё-таки, эти посты все — чисто инициативная импровизация. Такой формат игры зашёл тоже, хоть я и не особо сильна в гадании хинтов, даже таких простых, как оказалось
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 30, 2020, 01:52:28
Я предлагал ведущему специально для случаев подозреваю, но не знаю что сказать написать список способом как обвинить игрока, который ни в чем дурном внешне не замечен.
Я бы обратил внимание например на такой момент - как ты гадаешь улику против Карамель (необязательно чтобы отгадка была верной или похожей на правду, важен факт - на своих мирных улики если гадаются, то идут с грифом да ну, бред какой-то).
А дефолтное движение (на мой взгляд) такое: разбираешь абзац газеты, где ты видишь перевод, говоришь, наверное, алиса сделала что-то важное, например, перевела килл. Что вы (карамель) думаете об этом? Дальше можно использовать любое объяснение (или его отсутствие) для обвинения. В идеале перевод это ход с обратной информацией, и Карамель должна в ответ на такой запрос назвать мирную роль, которая была переведена (например, убийство не прошло из-за блока, Алиса упоминается потому что перевела блокера в убийцу. А вы кого-то подозреваете? Странно, это тот же подозреваемый, что и был вчера).

Удвоение в том числе помогало мне подсказать свою роль (хотя разумеется, будь мышь алисой, а ты марпл, удвоение получил бы силовик, а не чекер, и неважно кому нужнее понимание моей роли). Оливер Карамель не подходил, она согласилась с тем что это Юля-Жулик, с чем разумеется, настоящий Оливер бы не стал соглашаться, равно как и против Шиори проголосовал бы куда раньше.

Там не фулл (бывает и фулл, но я в такое ни ногой и звать не буду точно).
Газеты не совсем простые были.
Хинты (улики) - это конкретны отсылки к убийствам (их было всего 3, нога гуся, черный квадратик и еще что-то). Все остальное не хинты, а намеки в газете или там на роль казненного.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 30, 2020, 02:06:10
С интервью никто не догадался сразу придумать вопросы в теме. Чтобы не мучится потом с формулировками.

Я не стал, Шруггар просил не делать этого, дать шанс поиграть. По факту вопросы далеко не самые плохие (возможно, я смог бы сделать лучше, но это не точно). Ну и разумеется, лучший способ понять вопросы - почитать что думал о них журналист, если конечно, ему не запрещено комментировать. Я хотел казаться мафии именно таким - журналистом, которому комментировать свои вопросы нельзя/не хочется из идейных соображений - вряд ли получилось, но о том им лучше знать.



А редиска на Мессоре не стала голосовать с нулевым. Уж он-то знает как это работает. Сразу плюс к мирности (план лишать голоса своего неплох, вполне в моем стиле, но преимущество все равно стоящее).
Хотя возможно, он хотел в меня именно что показать свой нулевой голос, но проспал лимит. У меня мысль что он кто-то из тех горролей кто знакомится была (намеки жирные конечно делает, но правила позволяли).
Это я старался намекать на себя как можно меньше, на цели, но не роль, другие то не обязаны.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 30, 2020, 05:49:58
Вообще, было бы интересно, если бы все активные игроки расписали мотивировки своих собственных действий. 
Как обычно, отстреливал неактивных. И для игры полезнее, и шанс на лечение ниже. Начал с тех, у кого ники с циферками. Не люблю ники с циферками. Между Жулик и Братуха777 выбрал Жулик, тк портвейн надо беречь, даже не португальский. После провала решил, что повторять опасно, и распил "три топора". Успешно. Дальше чудовищно тупанул с Мессором, забыв, как работает перевод, хотя сам же и предложил такую механику. Фейл. Ну и Пирожком-сэмпаем закусил. В общем, посанитарил лес.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 30, 2020, 06:06:11
Так же, мне кажется, что игрок может отказываться голосовать за кого-то или против кого-то без дополнительных объяснений, так как я уже говорил в теме, что информацию может быть и запрещено сливать, но самому действовать согласно полученной информации логично и естественно.
Ну, по идее это всё-таки моветон. По идее ты обязан придумать, как трансформировать доверие/недоверие из личной инфо в оное, вытекающее из публичных данных. Это довольно тонкая грань, тк просто "интуитивно чувствую" не годится. Нужна какая-то аргументация весомее или хотя бы переплетение с публичной инфой, чтобы подразумеваемая ссылка на закрытое инфо не была видна.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 30, 2020, 06:57:02
Кстати. Никто так и не представил норм разбор интервью.

Поэтому, как потративший на конкретно это какое-то время, ну и вообще имеющий навык разбора такого, поделюсь /да, я единичко-ноле-лов, чтоб не сказать грубее/.

Для начала скажу, что вопросы НАДО было расшифровать чётко самому ГМу в теме, чтобы не было многозначных трактовок. Я даже сказал ШЪ об этом, что-то как-то нехорошо получается, как народ анализировать будет, если даже вопросы не понимает, но совсем уж рвать тельняху и вопить "Давай меня сольём!" тоже было бы не комильфо.

Вопросы

1 – knowing someone who went for a kill — трактовку этого вопроса мы с ШЪ тоже обсуждали. Я трактовал как "имеешь знакомство с другим игроком-убийцей", под knowing подразумевая знакомство. Хотя если именно знаешь, а не имеешь знакомство, и не другого, то сюда же попадут и сам Суинни /он знает себя/ и городской чекер мафа. А так получились одни мафы. В общем, чёткую трактовку в финале должен визировать сам ГМ. А тут как получилось, так получилось.
2 – weapons
3 – checking NA — тут тоже неоднозначно. Допустим у Суинни есть чекерская абилка, вскрытие трупа на роль, но это пассивка, она работает автоматом при убийстве. То есть строго формально это не проверяющее НД.

Правдивые ответы всех ролей

Moreau, Mary 110
Scrooge 100
Jekyll 101
Biggles 011
Sweeney, Sherlock, Twist 010
Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ 001
Chris, Griffin 000
Orlando 0**

Варианты моих ответов

010 - 110 / 000 / 011 = Sweeney, Sherlock, Twist

Какие роли ещё могут так отвечать

110 - * / 100 / 111 + Scrooge
000 - 100 / * / 001 + Scrooge + Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ - GET THIS
011 - 111 / 001 / * + Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ

(1) Do you know anyone who has already given way to his or her homicidal tendencies?
(2) Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?
(3) Are you keen on stalking on people?

(1) No
(2) No
(3) No

В итоге я взял средний вариант, 000, добавив к возможным вариантам своей роли /Шерлок, Оливер, и неосязаемый Орландо/ ещё пачку мирных и Скруджа. По смешной причине. На момент первой ночи и разбора интервью я тупанул и почему-то считал Скруджа мирным /роли надо читать не раньше 3-ей ночи, угуу/. Иначе взял бы последний вариант, исключив Скруджа. Но на самом деле такой немного странный ответ по сути ни о чём не говорит правдиво. В смысле не палит меня маньяком.

Вот как отвечал бы Скрудж

100 - 000 / 110 / 101 = Scrooge
000 - * / 010 / 001 + Sweeney, Sherlock, Twist
110 - 010 / * / 111 + Sweeney, Sherlock, Twist + Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ
101 - 001 / 111 / * + Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ

А вот так пачка мирных Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ

001 - 101 / 011 / 000 = Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ
101 - * / 111 / 100 + Scrooge
011 - 111 / * / 010 + Sweeney, Sherlock, Twist
000 - 100 / 010 / * + Scrooge + Sweeney, Sherlock, Twist

По идее мирным ответами от Суинни никак не отмазаться, но можно хотя бы исключить свою принадлежность к банде. То есть для мирного лучший ответ и единственный ответ — 011. С другой стороны, для Скруджа этой опции нет и ему лучше всего брать 101, кося под мирного. Но мирный же ответит 011, значит такой ответ не имеет смысла. И значит Скруджу всё равно, что брать, 000 или 110, тк его единственное спасение — косить под Суинни/Шерлока/Твиста.

Если я Шерлок/Оливер, то мне однозначно надо брать 011 /что не исключается принадлежность к Суинни/. Если же я беру 000, то это может выглядеть как Скрудж, который хитро косит под Суинни/Шерлока/Оливера.

В общем, признаю честно. Из-за своей дурацкой ошибки /думал что Скрудж мирная роль/, я выбрал хоть и не худший, но и не лучший и вообще нехороший и подозрительный вариант ответа. Будучи маном, я притворился мафом. Но никто этого понять не смог. Более того, Лэйзи всю дорогу наоборот меня защищал, считая Оливером. Я уж не понял, искренне или это такой хитрый план был.

Как вариант, конечно, всегда можно было сказать, что я Орландо, который по фану шалит... Но не мирный в общем.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 30, 2020, 06:59:41
О, теперь вижу оставшиеся две трети лога в комментариях)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 30, 2020, 07:03:18
100 - 000 / 110 / 101 = Scrooge
000 - * / 010 / 001 + Sweeney, Sherlock, Twist
110 - 010 / * / 111 + Sweeney, Sherlock, Twist + Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ
101 - 001 / 111 / * + Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ

100 - 000 / 110 / 101 = Scrooge
000 - * / 010 / 001 + Sweeney, Sherlock, Twist + Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ
110 - 010 / * / 111 + Sweeney, Sherlock, Twist
101 - 001 / 111 / * + Marple, Jeeves, Alice, LIZ

Мммм, поправочка. Но сути не меняет.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 30, 2020, 07:09:48
, у Мэри Cleanup тоже относится к Data actions, так что я засчитал ей наличие положительного ответа на третий вопрос.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 30, 2020, 07:41:42
Мэри Cleanup тоже относится к Data actions, так что я засчитал ей наличие положительного ответа на третий вопрос.
Хмм, это я тоже как-то просмотрел, а на интуиции чистка не кажется инфо-НД. Ок, тогда 000 единственная опция из 4-ёх в блоке, которую Мэри выбрать не может.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 30, 2020, 08:00:47
Я был не слишком уверен в трактовках вопроса (хотя по факту 1 а потом и 3 понял верно). По моей ты был просто максимальным негом, но смущало, что все кто высказывался про опрос пишут в сторону мира, а среди них часто есть Лиз (собственно, так оно и вышло).
Но во втором вопросе не суть важно, он про оружие или защиту, все равно выходило, что ложь именно на него. Немаф без чека, но с оружием или защитой - мне трактовка дала достаточно. Врать на первый с твоими ответами было невозможно (нет такой мафии), на третий тоже не очень много вариантов оставалось, после сбитой защиты так все кончилось.

Я решил, что у Поппинс не дата, если что, у нее вообще действий нет на мой взгляд, только командный килл.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 30, 2020, 08:12:39
На самом деле все вышло очень прикольно ;) Я получил много полезного опыта в этой игре. Мне было лишь обидно, что мои изначальные вопросы порезали, потому что изначальным была "попытка убийства", то есть неважно успешная или нет. Если бы этот вопрос вышел в сеть, то shiori пришлось бы врать на него, так как попытку к убийству, пусть и неудачную он совершал. Второй пул вопросов должен был быть адресован Ураниуму, а третий Кара мели. Дело в том, что я буквально чувствовал, что Кара - мафия, а с ней на мой взгляд на тот момент, был уран, по одной простой причине - Кара активно защищала Урана и наоборот. Это мне и показалось подозрительным... Будто Кара хотела выкинуть все неучтенные факторы - игроков, которых она не знает так же хорошо, как Урана. Большой ошибкой города было то, что он не прислушался к моим словам про Кару, исключая финальной ночи.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 30, 2020, 08:20:43
Я решил, что у Поппинс не дата, если что, у нее вообще действий нет на мой взгляд, только командный килл.

Вообще, разбиение НД по типам было показано еще до игры в FAQ, что Шьё указал мне, когда я его теребил по этому поводу. Так что при своем разборе я упирался именно в список -

12. Can I have a list of Alice's "Action types" for Drink Me?
Of course, there you are.
Life: Hard cash, Headshot, Haircut, November 5th, Overhaul*, Last goodbye, Presentiment, Solidarity, Chifir (50%)
Data: Cleanup, Big Brother*, Yahoo!*, Arms collector*, Solicitude, Drink Me, Turing test
Action: Bribe, Watchdog, Meme, Rabbit Hole, Darjeeling, Assam, Chifir (50%)
Communication: Intimidation, Authority. When the marked (*) abilities fulfill Traits' requirements (Old Guard, Old foe), they're also seen as Communication actions.
Mimicry: no permanent type. It is seen of the type that was mimed by Orlando, Example: Orlando mimes Solicitude, then Alice checks Orlando and gets the "Data" result because Solicitude is a Data-type Action.

Хинты... конечно были весьма и весьма спорными. Когда читаешь "прямоугольный крошечный кусочек тёмной ткани", то о тканой полоске никак не подумаешь. Там долже был бы быть скорее термин узкий, а не крошечный. Впрочем, я на шиори хинт не гадал, да и не стал бы гадать из-за всей этой пакости в его профиле. Да-да, "тринадцатикратно", "отзовитесь, горнисты" - я про это. Слишком много отсылок и возможных толкований.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shryggur от Апреля 30, 2020, 08:22:41
Так же, мне кажется, что игрок может отказываться голосовать за кого-то или против кого-то без дополнительных объяснений, так как я уже говорил в теме, что информацию может быть и запрещено сливать, но самому действовать согласно полученной информации логично и естественно. Неестественно и плохо - кричать "верьте мне >_<" и призывать голосовать так же, как и ты.
Тут дело тонкое. Голос – это хоть действие, но действие публичное. Так что это одновременно и заявление. По обоснованию – можно 10 раз подряд заявить: "лично я уверен, что он маф и поэтому голосую так", а можно один раз заявить "я уверен, что он маф, давайте его повесим". Мне кажется, что как минимум спорно в таком случае, что считать большим намёком на личную информацию.
Со вскрытиями всегда так: сколько их ни формализуй, а продавить его всегда можно сквозь любые правила. Причём это всем будет понятно, просто доказать трудно. Поэтому, с одной стороны, я понимаю призывы некоторых игроков особенно строго относиться к таким попыткам. С другой – мне всегда казалось, что лучше немного недонаказать, чем немного перенаказать, если оно всё остаётся в рамках "немного". К счастью, в этом случае тема не получила развития, и мне даже нести тебе жёлтую карточку не пришлось.
ЗЫ. И я не заметил авторского объяснения хинтов!
Ну и как оно теперь?  :teeth:
О Боже Мой Это Что Ссылки На Прекрасные Аудиокомпозиции Прямо В Комментариях О Мой Гусь
В логе (в конкретном месте) осталась пара Hidden Tracks. Где?
Также ждал от него встречной контратаки, допуская, что он и есть блокер, и возможно, мирный блокер (реакция на подозрения вполне естественна).
Мне кажется, ты мог тут немного просчитаться, т.к. слишком многого ждал от новичков, ещё и одиночек, ещё и офферов. Не уверен, что они вообще особо размышляли о механике предложек (БМП почему Сэмпай отказался, на самом деле). Тем более чтобы делали какие-то сложные выводы и реализовали их в теме. Что очень жаль, конечно.
Но я неверно представлял механику удвоения.
Кстати, мне именно такая механика больше нравится. Во-первых – как видим, неосторожные игроки могут просчитаться. Во-вторых – динамичное изменение цели, это весело и разнообразно. В-третьих – я раньше пробовал делать переводы с известной целью, и это слишком жирно. Если человек перевёл Х на Y и с Y что-то случилось в газете или он как-то раскрывает результаты ночи, то переводчик почти наверняка узнаёт роль X. А так получался баланс: либо Алиса что-то узнаёт, либо что-то делает (с малой обратной информацией). Я даже удивился, что эту способность можно было трактовать иначе. Наверное, поэтому и не подумал прояснить этот момент.
Как же приятно было чекать топики по сто раз на дню, пребывать в адовом ожидании результатов и трястись из-за хинтов! Мне кажется, я за всю жизнь столько раз не нажимала "F5", как за этот месяц
Мне кажется, через это прошёл каждый мафиозо (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSnABcDg4t8) xD2 Игра имеет свойство буквально порабощать мозг.
мои скудные познания в английском,
Я бы сказал, что лучший скилл английского у Карамели с небольшим отставанием Мыша. Затем – щиори и пастор, мб с небольшим отставанием Сью. Затем остальные активные, а затем   v o i d

Хмм, это я тоже как-то просмотрел, а на интуиции чистка не кажется инфо-НД.
Так же, как защита и убийство – это две стороны Life (+Life и -Life), так же и чистка информации из газеты – это Data.
По поводу "это не НД" – да, это очень интересная особенность способностей Мэри. Они "не НД" в том смысле, что они скорее модифицируют Mafia Kill и те же чистки не распознаются Алисой как Дата (т.к. основной эффект – убийство). Это можно сравнить с НД Тодда или Шерлока, где основное НД – Жизнь, но при соблюдении условий (при срабатывании) добавляется инфо-эффект, или как пассивки стариков. НО «сами по себе» в арсенале Мэри есть отдельные способности. Они именно отдельные, и их нужно отдельно применять, в отличие от доп. эффектов Тодда и проч. Поэтому у Мэри есть НД Дата. Но нет НД Чек (проверка Даты). Если бы в игре были такие НД, то оно бы встало в одну категорию со сменой статусов, блоком проверки и т. п. – т.е. "минус Дата", "манипуляция с информацией".

потому что изначальным была "попытка убийства", то есть неважно успешная или нет.
Кстати, на этот момент ты мог бы указать. Наверное, я бы почётче обозначил «попытку» в финальном вопросе, т.к. пытался отцензурировать я не её, а другую побочную информацию. Но в целом все примерно так всё и поняли, слава богу.

Когда читаешь "прямоугольный крошечный кусочек тёмной ткани", то о тканой полоске никак не подумаешь. Там долже был бы быть скорее термин узкий, а не крошечный.
Я тоже так подумал, когда уже писал лог. Не хватило уточняющего прилагательного. Но в принципе мне этот хинт нравится – т.к. первый, на мана, с заделом на будущее. Мне интересны комментарии по остальным.
Да-да, "тринадцатикратно", "отзовитесь, горнисты" - я про это. Слишком много отсылок и возможных толкований.
Я не лез в профили и оперировал только информацией, которую видно в теме (ник, аватар, подпись и статус).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 30, 2020, 08:32:22
Давайте и я опишу логики своих действий.
1.   В таком активном стиле, с анализом (ну в данном случае с лже-анализом) я играю всегда, вне зависимости от роли. За мирных обычно приносит свои плоды (и убивают в одну из первых ночей). За мафию часто проверяют и это печально.
2.   Мое видение игры включает тот аспект, что я не занимаюсь за мафию отстрелом сильных и опытных игроков в первые дни.

Первая ночь.

Из новых (обман века) игроков выбор пал на Мауса (он же не сильный и опытный игрок, а новый). Хотелось выбрать неочевидную цель, но т.к. я никого не знаю – кто же был бы неочевидной целью?
Из проблем – не знала, что выстрел может быть заблокирован. Считала, что блок снимет мой Cleanup, но выстрел (как коллегиальное решение) пройдет, просто с уликой на меня. Оказалось, что нет. Стало тяжело.

Вторая ночь.

Идем чистить неактивных, на пару с маньяком, который также этим занимается. Та же самая ошибка от меня при выборе Putin mod.2 – убийство заявляет текущий №1 мафии (Сью). Она пишет, что на выстрел идет Карамель в такую-то цель. Я же в свою очередь отправляю только заявку на особенность (второй Cleanup). Там, где играла я – от выстрела есть только защита (тут ее даже 2 вида – «врожденная» и «приобретенная»). А тут БАХ, и перевод еще. Гибнет Сью, чистятся неактивы. В итоге я остаюсь одна и не знаю, что делать. Не то чтобы с половиной неактивной мафии было понятно, что делать и до этого, но не сдаваться же?

Третья ночь.

Основная проблема – стрелять или не стрелять.
Доводы за выстрел:
- в финале может не хватить одного трупа для победы (так и вышло);
- мирные собирают больше информации;
Доводы против выстрела:
- кончились Cleanupы – будут улики, а я – одна. Круто? Очень, но нет, спасибо;
- жив Бигглс и Тодд. Я стреляю случайно в Бигглса и получаю ответную пулю, что снимет мою защиту (да еще публично) + Тодд выберет меня / его переведут и поверх этого меня еще и добьют. Комедия? Скорее трагедия для меня.
Минусы перевесили плюсы, и я оправила ведущему сообщение, что выстрела не будет из стратегических соображений.


Четвертая ночь.

После двух голосов в Мауса от Пастора и Гуся – мне показалось логичным убрать Пастора, т.к. эмоциональный Гусь продолжит свой Крестовый Гусиный поход против Мауса, а там останется разве что просто порассуждать в теме, да слить голос в любого из них. Даже два дня на последовательную посадку может уйти. Но перевод убивает Гуся (с хэдшотом).

Утром Маус вскрывается Марпл и до меня с ужасом доходит, что, если сейчас все так разберут роли – у меня не останется ничего, чем я могла бы прикрыться. При этом я знаю, что Маус – реальная Марпл. Буквально минут за 10 я нахожу хинт на историю и пытаюсь превратить его в антимарпловское движение, попутно апеллируя в теме к тому, что нет модкилла, хотя намек явный. Отмечу, что это была апелляция не к ГМу, а всего лишь способ воздействия на игроков, да и на самого Мауса – игрок-то тоже новый тут (ага, сейчас… Как же, разбежалась). Модкилл его мне не выгоден сразу после лже-разгадки.

Пятая ночь.

Изначально был заявлен Пастор, но мне пришла интересная идея. Я знаю, что выбитый Мессор был Шерлоком, но его роль считается черной. Имитация выстрела в меня может позволить изобразить Шерлока, но там много проблем. Никто не получал предложения и т.п., но и я не сильно его выбила в своих анализах, чтобы не изобразить его.
В любом случае у меня шансы были в районе 0 уже приличное время, поэтому почему бы и не попробовать?

Шестая ночь.

Ждала перевода, заявила Ураниума. Ушло – в Пастора. Любой из результатов был приемлем, но вышло даже лучше.
Не принять удвоение от Ураниума я не могла – это понятно. Как и понятно то, что там ничего другого быть и не может. И совершенно понятно, что будь я Шерлоком – предложения получили бы Пастор и Ураниум. Игра фактически была завершена еще днем ранее, но я решила доиграть до конца и сопротивляться. Это было интересно, но тяжело. А потом Ураниум занялся реверс-инжинирингом и раскрутил все. Ну кроме Сью, хотят тут уже я сказала правду про ее роль.

Итоги:
Правила 9/10 - все крайне интересно, кроме набора 50% + 1 голоса для посадки. Хорошо, что потом сменили.
Роли 8/10 - баланс уехал в сторону города, мафия изначально была в роли догоняющего. Мафия боится всего - блока, перевода, защит, защит от Шерлока.
Сеттинг: 10/10  - один из лучших (если не лучший) сеттингов, в которых я играла. Браво ведущему.

Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: l10ha от Апреля 30, 2020, 08:33:30
Первая ночь была и правда тяжелой. Я, заблокировав карамель, сделала для себя вывод, что она мафия. Поэтому я от части и стала идти с ней на конфликт(тк думала, что когда меня убьют, то все хоть как-то да подумают на нее). Мне очень жаль, что я так накинулась на дрюшу, хотя он мог стать активным. Но меня так расстраивало, что мало кто чего писал из учеников и поэтому я решила вешать всех, кто неактивен. он и правда стал "козлом отпущения". В следующие ночи я продолжала проверять карамель в надежде, что как-то да свяжу это все. Но нет! мне приходилось только писать бестолковые текста. То, что Сью= Лиз для меня было самым очевидным( я просто не мог и представить, что она может быть мафией), плюс отсутсвие интервью на утро тоже меня сбило с толку.Убить мафию на вторую ночь- это прям интересно.
 Хах очень смешно, что Пастор сначала защитил меня, потом убил же и после отправился на небеса за мной.Плюс убийство Пастора- отличный ход! Избавление от активного игрока, в сторону которого никогда не было подозрений, но перевод все испортил окончательно. Когда меня убили я была так счастлива и надеялась, что все это свяжут с карамелью, но тогда этого никто как будто бы и не замечал. Хотя в газете были явные подсказки на это, да и поведение ее изменилось. Но вообщем то все получилось ахахап.
Грустно, что большая часть неактивных= мафия. это затрудняло ход игры.
Может быть, я сначала выбрала не правильную тактику, заваливая пустыми сообщениями и анализируя лично.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Kara_Mel от Апреля 30, 2020, 08:33:59
На самом деле все вышло очень прикольно  Я получил много полезного опыта в этой игре. Мне было лишь обидно, что мои изначальные вопросы порезали, потому что изначальным была "попытка убийства", то есть неважно успешная или нет. Если бы этот вопрос вышел в сеть, то shiori пришлось бы врать на него, так как попытку к убийству, пусть и неудачную он совершал. Второй пул вопросов должен был быть адресован Ураниуму, а третий Кара мели. Дело в том, что я буквально чувствовал, что Кара - мафия, а с ней на мой взгляд на тот момент, был уран, по одной простой причине - Кара активно защищала Урана и наоборот. Это мне и показалось подозрительным... Будто Кара хотела выкинуть все неучтенные факторы - игроков, которых она не знает так же хорошо, как Урана. Большой ошибкой города было то, что он не прислушался к моим словам про Кару, исключая финальной ночи.

Я играла на этом форуме первый раз, поэтому никого не знаю (и Ураниума тоже), и думаю, что меня тоже никто не знает  ^_^
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 30, 2020, 08:47:33
Лично для меня серьезной проблемой было как раз огромное количество сообщений. На самом деле, признаюсь, когда я мягко обвинял Ураниума я очень надеялся, что если он мафия, то я таким образом смогу подловить кого-нибудь из неопытных игроков на его защите, то есть сложить для себя мозаику мафии. К слову, я таки не прогадал! Карамель для меня спалилась именно в том моменте, когда написала, что Ураниум святой. Это и вызвало мое убеждение, что надо давить именно Карамель и Ураниума. Увы из-за проблем IRL я не мог отправлять большое кол-во сообщений, что сказалось в конечном итоге на том, что я оказался сметен собственноручно поднятой волной. Я потерял возможность получить симпатии города, хотя я и пытался дать советы в надежде на то. что в последнюю/предпоследнюю ночь кто-то их раскопает и они могут пригодится (надеюсь тут я тоже не прогадал). Почему я считал Анонимуса мафией? - тут все просто. Я посчитал, что он использует трюк "отвлечения внимания". То есть он пытается, чтобы город никого не повесил и таким образом отводит подозрения от Кары с Ураниумом. С моей стороны все реально складывалось в довольно сложную цепочку, которая правда оказалась верной лишь в одном случае. Хотя, конечно, проживи я подольше, я бы вполне вероятно смог бы дать более углубленный анализ. К тому же, я следил за дальнейшей игрой и по сообщениям Анонимуса понял, что он скорее всего не мафия, но изменить свой финальный анализ уже не мог. + Затем я понял как я ошибся с Ураниумом. На самом деле я хотел посмотреть как будет реагировать Ураниум на мои подозрения - он еще во второй день, на момент моей смерти, своими сообщениями убедил меня, что все-таки он скорее всего не мафия, однако действия Кары выдали ее довольно сильно.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 30, 2020, 08:50:00
Вообще, разбиение НД по типам было показано еще до игры в FAQ, что Шьё указал мне, когда я его теребил по этому поводу. Так что при своем разборе я упирался именно в список -
Угадай кто просил добавить этот список, когда прочитал действие алисы еще до старта. Я даже специально пастору его дублировал, на всякий случай, потому что тут далеко не все интуитивно понятно. Он мутный из-за звездочек на коммуникацию, потому я не считал его годным для вопросов. В нем даже выстрела мафии нет! (хотя понятно, что жизнь, но именно из-за этого и непонятно как для вопроса будет засчитан ход поппинс).
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 30, 2020, 08:58:49
Угадай кто просил добавить этот список, когда прочитал действие алисы еще до старта.

Хмм... угадать один правильный вариант из одного, еще никогда выбор не был столь сложным)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 30, 2020, 09:15:07
если он мафия, то я таким образом смогу подловить кого-нибудь из неопытных игроков на его защите
Это вряд ли. Скорее всего неопытным игрокам я бы дал установки что примерно им делать, и адвокатство для меня в них вряд ли войдет.
Найти какие-то связи в ситуации когда оба трупа игры мафия было нереально. Но врыв, как говорят "поперек стола", то есть с подозрениями на тех кого считают больше мирными/обелением мутных для меня смотрелся довольно мирно. Реально поздно пришел, мне например не хватало твоего разбора газеты, чтобы ты сказал, что Сью это не Лиз. В том числе я укрепился в мнении потому, что никто с ним не спорил. А как сам понимаешь, мирная роль не согласится с тем, что она мертва и предложит альтернативную версию - отсутствие же альтернатив чаще говорит о правильном выборе трупа, а до ночи на возможную Лиз шел ты, я бы отметил начни ты оспаривать убитого в плюс.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 30, 2020, 09:24:42
Проблема в том, что я не планировал умирать :) Тут такая тонкая грань, если бы я оспаривал то, что ЛИЗ мертва, то меня легко могла убить мафия, так как я не знал, что половина мафии умерла. И причем убить довольно быстро. Если бы я выжил, то я бы опроверг новость о собственной смерти просто интервью в газете.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Uranium235 от Апреля 30, 2020, 09:25:05
Роли 8/10 - баланс уехал в сторону города, мафия изначально была в роли догоняющего. Мафия боится всего - блока, перевода, защит, защит от Шерлока.
Тут я согласен. В тот момент когда я решил, что город конечно сильнее, но ровно настолько, чтобы сбалансировать пассивность новичков (чем больше опыт, тем сильнее игра за город - ну просто потому что практики городской игры вдвое больше в среднем), которая обязательно будет, я не знал что защиты будут в явном виде отображаться в газете. Знал бы - попросил мафии что-то еще.
То что всего боится это стандартная ситуация для улик (но перевода по факту вы не боялись, надо просто было цель выбирать с учетом перевода, он предсказуемый был - если конечно знать в чем там суть). На остальное у мафии были какие-никакие контры. В настолько плохой ситуации, как у вас, обычно не оказываются. Абсолютно шальной блок от нейтрала, килл от мана за циферки, а перевод уже сказано - шальной в описании (кривое описание бывает довольно редко, я обычно все проверяю перед игрой - но именно перевод был изменен уже после того, как мы закончили вопросы). 3 крупные неудачи в первые 2 ночи, причем каждая заметно меньше 50% шанс. Тут скорее не повезло чем сэт.

Проблема в том, что я не планировал умирать :) Тут такая тонкая грань, если бы я оспаривал то, что ЛИЗ мертва, то меня легко могла убить мафия, так как я не знал, что половина мафии умерла. И причем убить довольно быстро. Если бы я выжил, то я бы опроверг новость о собственной смерти просто интервью в газете.
А если все игроки поверят в мертвую лиз, то следующее интервью думаешь тебя не спалит, единственного кто молчал?
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 30, 2020, 09:56:34
Вообще, я попытался намекнуть городу, что Карамель мафия еще в одном. Та фраза "каждый будет наказан за свои грехи". Должна была подтолкнуть город к этой мысли, жаль, что я наверное ее слишком непонятно написал...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shryggur от Апреля 30, 2020, 10:53:10
баланс уехал в сторону города, мафия изначально была в роли догоняющего. Мафия боится всего - блока, перевода, защит, защит от Шерлока.
Полностью согласен. Думаю, это оттого, что мне хотелось сразу показать новые роли (относительно салонной: телохранитель, переводчик), не жертвуя традициями (док, блокер). И «ну раньше-то работало». Только я не учёл, что «раньше» это работало с 20+ ролями, двумя бандами, парой маньяков и т. п.
Я довольно долго считал баланс, на самом деле. Расстановка статусов потребовала поступиться некоторыми «сюжетными» идеями, но зато в итоге статусы мне показались идеально сбалансированными. А вот посчитать убийства я как-то не додумался. Избавиться от проблемы можно было за полчаса (плюс время на переписывание роли-другой). По крайней мере, можно было бы запретить Орландо защиты.
С другой стороны – на самом деле я просто приберёг себе несколько ГМских фрагов  >:D
я не знал что защиты будут в явном виде отображаться в газете. Знал бы - попросил мафии что-то еще.
Кстати, ещё один случай «борьбы традиций». В отчаянных попытках вспомнить как ГМить я просто посмотрел свои предыдущие игры, включая последнюю «собственную» (самую удачную, наверное) и, в общем-то, без изменений взял оттуда газеты. И репортёров, и разбитие информации на блоки – и описание неудачных покушений. Может быть, это было в порядке вещей и от этого уже давно отказались, но я был просто не в курсе. Ну ты понял.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 30, 2020, 10:54:59
Я тоже так подумал, когда уже писал лог. Не хватило уточняющего прилагательного. Но в принципе мне этот хинт нравится – т.к. первый, на мана, с заделом на будущее. Мне интересны комментарии по остальным.

Последний был более-менее, в общем-то. Другое дело, что он был уже ненужным. В хинтах главная проблема в том, что ты изначально не знаешь не только принципа загадывания хинтов, но и не знаешь, насколько глубоко уходит ГМ при их составлении. С медботом... для меня сложно, я читал только текстовые описания, а кому-то, наверное, клипы больше зашли бы. Сансару я бы не взял, наверное, просто потому, что там информация, указывающая непосредственно на игрока, статистика, которая, по идее, есть у каждого, разве что Щи разместил ее в подписи. Я там на Золтана Хивая чуть грешил, поскольку он там как-то встретил Геральта, будучи уверенным в его смерти, но это была слишком слабая версия на мой взгляд. Вообще, я довольно мало гадал, тут раз на раз не приходится, иногда у тебя с ГМом близкий подход к хинтам и можно взять "всё-любое", а бывает сразу ощущаешь, что плохо пойдёт. Плюс, опять же, информации было и так в достатке для игры.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shryggur от Апреля 30, 2020, 11:04:26
Я даже сказал ШЪ об этом, что-то как-то нехорошо получается, как народ анализировать будет, если даже вопросы не понимает, но совсем уж рвать тельняху и вопить "Давай меня сольём!" тоже было бы не комильфо.
Ну, тут такое дело – сходу очень мощно прошлись по маньяку. А весь газетный стиль как бы просит быть порасплывчатей. Как я указал в логе, некоторые формулировки вышли чересчур туманными, но однозначная трактовка под ними подразумевалась и в целом в итоге была понята.
Но добавляя в игру журналиста, ведущий определённо должен очень хорошо заранее понимать, что он творит как он будет с этим работать. Этого понимания мне не хватило.


Хотел бы услышать общие оценочные комментарии по игре, в первую очередь критические. Если есть что – несите.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Drusha от Апреля 30, 2020, 11:17:09
Мне все понравилось. Было очень приятно играть, получил много фана, хотя и помер рано, но тут стоит предъявлять претензии только к себе xD2, хотя конечно некоторые обстоятельства были сильнее меня, но да ладно. Организация - 11/10. Единственная проблема была в малоактивности игроков, тут все правильно говорят - от трех до пяти пунктов из десяти... Если честно, почуствовал будто вернулся на год-два назад, когда я активно играл в мафию и было несколько игр, где активность была, если честно еще хуже  :)... Ну в общем все было в этой игре не так плохо в этом плане. Даже я бы сказал, что активность иногда была избыточной  ;) По сюжету, лору и прочему я уже высказывался ранее - все было просто прекрасно. Это была не просто игра в мафию, а отдельная история со своим сюжетом, с историей каждого игрока и пусть немного и трагичным (осталось то всего два игрока), но тем не менее счастливым финалом...
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 30, 2020, 12:48:06
В логе (в конкретном месте) осталась пара Hidden Tracks. Где?

...где? В конце?..
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 30, 2020, 12:48:33
Хотел бы услышать общие оценочные комментарии по игре, в первую очередь критические. Если есть что – несите.

Офферов пытай, что им не зашло) В целом, конечно, иностранный язык затрудняет игру, так как одно дело компьютерные игры на английском(даже с большим количеством текста) и книги(если не считать всяких там Улиссов), а играть на английском в мафию не так и просто, проблемы перевода добавляют сложности. А сама игра была вполне приемлема. По хинтам - чаще выбирается какая-то одна деталь в описании игрока или квенте, и на нее даются хинты - иногда они разные, иногда это по сути один хинт, на который даётся все больше подсказок. Было неожиданно, когда выяснилось, что подсказки выдавались на разные элементы.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shryggur от Апреля 30, 2020, 12:50:16
...где? В конце?..
В интерлюдии (:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: pastor chivay от Апреля 30, 2020, 12:55:55
Спойлер
Спойлер
Спойлер
В интерлюдии (:

а нну. ну пфф. такому бравому искателю как я не составило труда найти их. вообще. от слова совсем. пф.
Спойлер
Спойлер
Спойлер
ну или составило... :misery:
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shiori от Апреля 30, 2020, 15:20:49
Хотел бы услышать общие оценочные комментарии по игре, в первую очередь критические. Если есть что – несите.
Ну, для меня главным бичом была, как бы странно это ни прозвучало — многословность активных игроков.

То есть, на самом деле финальная 4-ка — просто красавчики без вопросов, снимаю шляпу. Жгли, как в старые-добрые времена. Но лично мне было реально сложно /а потом и почти неподъёмно/ вчитываться в эти стены текста, с не очень высоким содержанием для себя ценной инфо. Особенно на рабочей неделе после того мозг и так подзамучен жаваскриптом и проч.

Я кстати ещё лог глянул, точнее комментарии /самая мякотка всегда/ и частично ролеплей — всё шикарно, но в общем, я не предполагал, что контента будет так много. Это по сути моя проблема, а не партии или игроков. А так остальные мелкие огрехи по-моему ерунда. Игра удалась.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: lazycat от Апреля 30, 2020, 16:41:39
То есть, на самом деле финальная 4-ка — просто красавчики без вопросов, снимаю шляпу.

Да если б мы за кирпичики продолжали голосовать, то Карамель-тян весьма вероятно пару штук отхватила бы за эту игру - "Лучший дебют" и "Корлеоне", я считаю, запросто.
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: Falcon hunting от Мая 02, 2020, 08:54:41
Всем спасибо за игру. Извиняюсь за модкил, эх не вовремя я заболел короновирусом  :teeth:, а так я был рад доиграть
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shryggur от Мая 03, 2020, 15:23:18
То есть, на самом деле финальная 4-ка — просто красавчики без вопросов, снимаю шляпу.

Да если б мы за кирпичики продолжали голосовать, то Карамель-тян весьма вероятно пару штук отхватила бы за эту игру - "Лучший дебют" и "Корлеоне", я считаю, запросто.

Согласен)
Извиняюсь за модкил, эх не вовремя я заболел короновирусом 
Воу! Ну, с поправочкой тогда. Начал ты бодро)
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: shryggur от Мая 03, 2020, 16:05:41
PS: запоздалая попытка (https://youtu.be/d1W7wqXD_b0) ещё раз профорсить Вирджинию Вулф ^^
Название: Re: London, 2077
Отправлено: vasex от Октября 14, 2020, 06:13:51
Я, кстати, сыграл бы на английском. Зовите в любое время, если будет подобный набор.

Обидно было, что пропустил такую партию.