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A dubious moment that indicates that he was not there. If Shiori was killed by the mafia, then the boss had to send a shot, no one else could.
But this generally does not follow from the description, and now I look and understand that Fergus Fume is also a journalist who writes a newspaper, so the connection with the fact that he is a detective and marple, too, and therefore the events happened next to me, was invented then.

That is, he could still send a move before his departure to the IRL, and then this fact gives me nothing at all.
Majesty directly points to the queen, which is in the description of Moreau, and does not contain exactly in the description of death any other hints.

In general, I have a slightly wild idea that at the beginning of the game, fume described a criminal chronicle, that is, murder, defense and treatment, watt - power actions, like blocks or doubling, and the chief editor - checks, including an interview. Watt had to be killed, because otherwise it would be too easy to figure out the power.
But in this case, the number of letters from readers is directly related to the number of completed checks.

Our correspondence was twice more modest in volume than expected

But of course, this cannot be said that half of the checkers died, perhaps some of them simply did not send the moves (on the second night I associate the absence of an interview with this reason).
Or was blocked.
Checks - Hyde, Marple, Biggles, Jeeves, Alice (sometimes, but this may be evidence of translation) and Liz. Orlando perhaps I will not include.
Formally, the three checkers didn’t sound like this night.
And then this does not give anything, because the conditional check of the weapon is in the block. And some Jeeves missed. Or vice versa, something like that. Actually, in the future there is a hint of this, they will find the strength to fight, that is, there were missed moves.

And I will not be surprised at such a turn:
Shiori applied the fifth of November. I somehow missed this thing earlier, but why not?
The explosion is a direct indication, that is, some are still an idiot.

That is, the mafia did not kill Shiori, but he charged 50% of himself when he tried to kill Messor and his guests. Moreover, it did not work to kill Messor, although he was overtaken by modkill further, but it turned out to kill himself - to bring down the defense.

I think this will be my main version of events now.
Thus, it is possible to eliminate the contradiction that I had with the fact that the mafia could hardly shoot while the boss was inaccessible (another very controversial rule, which we nevertheless have).
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    From the point of view of the logic of the move, Messor was put to my vote by me and received 2 more votes from above.
    The probability that after that he will have at least 1 guest is high.

    That is, this is the move to be expected. But of course, I read about modkill, and I do not see indirect events, although there is a hint that they may be present later, I could not figure out what kind of visit I missed until this moment, now I know at least 1 case (there may be more )

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      Perhaps in the morning I will have some other shift in consciousness.

      But for now, I accurately see the roles of retirees as:
      Sue - Liz
      Bratuha - Scrooge
      Messor - Moro
      Putin Mod - The Beagles
      Dmksin - Hyde
      Goose - Orlando
      Sampai - Robin
      Rogue - Oliver
      Shiori - Todd
      Invicta - Jeeves
      Pastor - Alice

      That is, the only thing that I do not understand in the dead is Dryusha, his description does not give me an unambiguous picture.

      There is another theory, however.
      Sue has a discrepancy in the role of Liz in that she does not have any comments on the interview, while Dryusha has them, and unambiguously displays Shiori as a nemafia, and this is reflected in his rhetoric.
      If I had no information other than his posts and a description of death, I would say that he is Liz. Where is the second survey - yes, I simply missed it.

      And in this way, you should read the questions:

      So, Today s night is really very good - nobody has dead! But Firstly, to my mind, we should have a logical conclusion from Liz questions. How everybody know there are 1 false and 2 truly answers. So lets look on it. If Shiori has false answer in question number 1, that could not be because of some things. Gismo it is not only a gadget it is like thing too! So every mafia member exept hacker has gismo to protect her / himself. Maniac has gismo to protect himself too. So about question number 2. If this question is false, he could not be mafia too because the question number one is true. About question number 3 have said before me.

      1. Do you know someone else who can shoot (mafia)?
      2. Do you have the ability to protect yourself, including actions or passions?
      3. Before him they didn’t say very much, frankly speaking. Therefore, I remain with opinions about the persecution as having the ability to check.

      Here is such an unexpected thought, right? I believe in it.
      Dryusha does not have many posts, if not to be blinded by the idea of ​​Sue Liz, then his role will become completely obvious.
      In this case, I will look for the role of Sue (alternative).

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        A variant must definitely exist.
        In the end, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/meatbag
        Like a meat bag! the robot should have said.

        I can’t find an exact definition of who it is, in fact, because the character is a hybrid from Moriarty and Dr. Moreau, as well as the other is a hybrid of Sherlock and Dr. Watson.

        In general, if it is possible to interpret something falsely, there should be an opportunity to show real data.

        And I said about that long ago. https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299160#msg1299160



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          The problem of caramel is different.
          Even after I understand that Dryusha is actually Liz, non-human features still indicate a robot.
          There is still a hint that many of us loved Sue. I thought it was an obvious allusion to Liz, if associated with the text of the chief editor.
          But Liz is also mentioned in the third newspaper, which is illogical if she died on the second night, but very logical if on the second day, but the hint was completely not understood by anyone.

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            In this case, I will look for the role of Sue (alternative)

            Sue and Drusha are anyway a couple of robots. Read about "such as has never been seen upon human features". Let Sue be Sherlock, because Scotland Yard is mentioned in the description of her death, and this is a very good allusion to Sherlock Holmes.



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              Also, do not forget that the description of her death mentioned the chair in which she was sitting. The chair is another detail that points to Sherlock, although not as significant as Scotland Yard. And if Sue is Sherlock, then it's time to vote against Kara_Mel. If you just do not want to clarify for yourself a couple of dozens of details that bother you.

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                The chair is another detail that points to Sherlock
                Explain why, I probably already spent too much time analyzing and losing the thread.

                I'm trying to link the description of Dryusha's death with Liz Bennett now. Actually, it doesn’t work out too well either.
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                  Explain why, I probably already spent too much time analyzing and losing the thread.





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                    armchair + Scotland Yard

                    Yes, I like it, well, Caramel will come let him tell his version.

                    Until I understood how the description of Dryusha's death is connected with Liz, the work is not finished in any case. Although the analytics of his posts and the fact that Liz is mentioned in the third newspaper moves me very much towards the point.

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                      I'm trying to link the description of Dryusha's death with Liz Bennett now.

                      I can’t help with this in any way, since I haven’t read or looked at Pride and Prejudice, so I can’t find any special signs pointing to Elizabeth Bennett.


                      I'm not even sure that GM posted such signs. Maybe he just made a hint at the robot (meatbag), implying that LIZ is the second and last robot after Sherlock.
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                        For example, you can try to consider the version that Liz Messor. He also had a strange belief that the mafia was either me or Shiori, but he refused to touch Shiori.
                        According to the logic of actions - it cannot be excluded. But he has no survey comments.

                        Well, simply because it is not mentioned further, it means that it has already left us. Also, a skipping course is consistent with its activity.
                        Well, and so, consider Dryusha as Moro.

                        The option is still dubious.

                        Dryusha certainly looks like a robot. Here, not only a bag of meat, but also the fact that a chain sword (a weapon in the form of a waroose-chain benzo saw) was pushed into the chest with a certain effort.

                        I can only bind this way:
                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride
                        The excitement of what they think about you after death may be a connection with the hypostasis of the original work.
                        It’s a rather complicated description, but I don’t have any simple ones for Dryusha.
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                          Yes, I like it, well, Caramel will come let him tell his version.

                          This is not a version, but now I see one interesting point here, which I didn't notice before.

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                          The first report is of particular peculiarity. Sue Sharlin was found at her armchair. On her rigid face there stood a mixed expression of horror and surprise, such as has never been seen upon human features. Nothing was touched in the room; Schotland Yard has not a single assumption of what might have caused such a malignant and terrible contortion. Sue was deeply loved by many of us, and this loss will be deeply mourned.

                          Why does Sherlock (or any other player) be surprised with the killer? This is not something to be surprised about. Nothing was touched is strange too.

                          But I don't have an explanation who was Sue regarding these facts. I may have an idea, but it's strange.
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                            Well, simply because it is not mentioned further, it means that it has already left us. Also, a skipping course is consistent with its activity.
                            Well, and so, consider Dryusha as Moro.

                            Hardly. It seems a little. Dr. Moreau was a vivisector, but he used a scalpel, not a chain sword. Dr. Moreau's literary death also did not resemble the description of Drusha's death. In the book, one of his experiments almost severed the doctor’s arm and inflicted multiple wounds on him. The only thing is that in one place of the book, Dr. Moreau claimed that the muscles do not feel pain and even stuck a small knife in his leg in a carefully chosen place. But a small knife and chain sawing are quite different things. "Meatbag" is a very good indication of a robot. Although there are points of contradiction. Like for example the judge’s cry “BLOOOOOOOD!” Robots have no blood. On the other hand the cry of "DIESEL FUUUUUEEEEL!" less impressive and too clearly would indicate that the executed person is not a human.

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                              I'll have lectures soon and it'll be hard to write something comprehensive, so I'll write down my idea now.

                              "Nothing was touched and surprise" - looks like Sue knew the killer, but I see no clue to the killer (so cleanup was there). Can it be a friendly fire? We know who was Alice and she liked to transfer actions. E.g. if mafia's target was Putin mod.2 it could be moved to Sue Sharlin. In that case, perhaps, Sue could be Moro, while Messor's role has to be Marple, as I see no proofs to his role.
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                                Nothing was touched is strange too.

                                For killing without evidence, a completely natural description.

                                In addition, Conan Doyle had similar situations in books. For example, "The Adventure of the Empty House", where Colonel Sebastian Moran killed his victims with a blowgun. Or "The Sign of the Four", where the victim was killed by a poisoned dart, by the way, the face of the victim was also distorted by a terrible smile.


                                In that case, perhaps, Sue could be Moro, while Messor's role has to be Marple, as I see no proofs to his role.

                                I doubt that Dr. Moreau "was deeply loved by many of us".
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                                  But mafia must have love him deeply, nevertheless.
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                                    , at least do not forget to vote, it would be annoying if such a long decision-making process ended in nothing. Just over three hours left.

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                                      , хорош прятаться, я знаю, ты где-то здесь! Решил заняться ролеплеем в конце игры, да?

                                      – HEY, what's that speech??
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                                        , хорош прятаться, я знаю, ты где-то здесь! Решил заняться ролеплеем в конце игры, да?

                                        Why are you SO nervous? Yesterday you told, that you have nothing to say, but still you here and worried about results.
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                                          – HEY, what's that speech??

                                          It seems that my ability to speak foreign languages ​​has erupted!

                                          Actually, I just wanted to make a joke, but forgot to translate it. My apologies.


                                          Why are you SO nervous? Yesterday you told, that you have nothing to say, but still you here and worried about results.

                                          I’m not a bit nervous. There is no doubt in such a methodical person as Uranium. I just wanted to make a joke before he gets back. But in a hurry I forgot about the translation. Mea culpa.


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                                              Why does Sherlock (or any other player) be surprised with the killer? This is not something to be surprised about. Nothing was touched is strange too.
                                              This is just logical. Sherlock is a boxer, fencer and so on, it is not so easy to defeat him. And some woman got him.
                                              I like this description.
                                              Sorry, you played well during the day, and even broke some of the suspicions. But the totality of the newspaper’s descriptions, including the fact that letters are still being sent to the editorial office (on the sixth night), which I see as a fact of verification, or that Dryusha should be Liz in the rhetoric associated with Shiori, leave little chance. It’s hard for me to believe that Marple was fighting with the Beagles, it’s hard for me to believe that the internal contradictions of the mafia have some other description except for the self-gunshot, including due to the transfer, and not just transfer from one target to another, it’s difficult for me to believe that how much The rhetoric of Mouse was thought out, that he refused to consider Poppins Julik, who has a negative status and is obligatory for verification given suspicions. Fuel is added to the fire by how you defined the role of Goose, and how Messor is most often a mafia, but you were considered peaceful at the beginning of the game. Well, what you thought was extremely peaceful Pastor, although where I can’t get the motivation for that. The finishing touch was on the last night.
                                              These are too many facts that were not broken.

                                              I vote and will not change today, busy. Lose or win - we are done.

                                              Cara mel

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                                                Congrats to Mouse and his victory!

                                                Who was the rest of mafia, Mouse?
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                                                  Day 6 Exit Poll

                                                  (2): Anony-mouse, Uranium235
                                                  (1): Kara_Mel

                                                  Deadline TUE 2 PM. 107 minutes left.

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                                                    Who was the rest of mafia, Mouse?

                                                    True to the end, Mary?)))

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                                                      Who was the rest of mafia, Mouse?

                                                      True to the end, Mary?)))


                                                      The end is already here, I don't have anything to hide if I were Mary. Uranium made his choice, so I have nothing but to admit, that you outplayed everyone exceptionally well. The only mistake I regret - that I didn't change my vote to you that day. 

                                                      This is just logical. Sherlock is a boxer, fencer and so on, it is not so easy to defeat him. And some woman got him.

                                                      And others were not surprised to be killed by woman, huh? No, this time I'm not buying it.
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                                                        The end is already here, I don't have anything to hide if I were Mary. Uranium made his choice, so I have nothing but to admit, that you outplayed everyone exceptionally well. The only mistake I regret - that I didn't change my vote to you that day. 

                                                        Then you should congratulate not me, but Uranium.

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                                                          The end is already here, I don't have anything to hide if I were Mary. Uranium made his choice, so I have nothing but to admit, that you outplayed everyone exceptionally well. The only mistake I regret - that I didn't change my vote to you that day.

                                                          Then you should congratulate not me, but Uranium.


                                                          Are you Griffin? No, you are not by your own words. So Uranium is Griffin, as I know, that Griffin was alive alongside with Alice day before.
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                                                            Okay, I had to try, but as expected, I train on the wrong cats, they will play until the end.

                                                            I have less against the Mouse. A tidier game at the beginning, without suspects against the proactive at Caramel, did not take the newspaper down at one point, when I was waiting for the mafia to meditate on it for a while.
                                                            Aggression in Oliver can be explained not only by a negative status, but also by the understanding that since you were in defense, it’s Beagle or a maniac, in a word, there is no desire to finish it off.
                                                            Goose could have some evidence against him. The problem is that this factor cannot be trusted, the neutral could play against the city specifically so as not to be killed. But Gus might not have known about this strategy.
                                                            Depression with the desire to lynch me was also with him, at the moment when it would be expected from the mafia, the refusal to draw for the sake of a confident victory instead of demolishing a maniac cannot be considered an impossible decision for the mafia.
                                                            And today I generally suggested (indirectly) to skip the vote.
                                                            But I can’t confidently see the death of Marple at all. The maximum is in Bratukh, because Shiori attributed it there too, but he attributed it to Sue, although in this case he should have known that this was not true, it was unlikely that he made such a decision.