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okey.
For Caramel. on of the first day, you distributed people twice over all the colors of the rainbow. I miss this post from u! but what interesting. why did u stop doing that? are u afraid of something?

Some troubles with my laptop's fan led me to open it up, clean close - spend half a day on it. And I have lectures tomorrow to attend with this annoying nosy sound! But it did not help.
Why do I not write it now? Many actions are still happening and voting was prolonged, so I do not need to hurry up. I have some mockups of the post, but still have some work on it.
I will post it near 00:00.
I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams

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    okey.
    For Caramel. on of the first day, you distributed people twice over all the colors of the rainbow. I miss this post from u! but what interesting. why did u stop doing that? are u afraid of something?
    3 different players.
    This is one. Two more

    i'd like to note that Sue is not the only one who appeared once - maybe twice and said nothing important
    so maybe it'll work
    Try it and you. In the end, when you vote someone, it gives information about your suspicions.
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      Try it and you. In the end, when you vote someone, it gives information about your suspicions.

      not sure that i have a questions to other players. I would like to see the presence of others - like and here
      And I still waiting to Sue's answers

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        not sure that i have a questions to other players. I would like to see the presence of others - like  InVictA and  Putin mod.2 here
        And I still waiting to Sue's answers
        If you have no questions, you can do something so that others may have questions for you.
        This method is called provocation. Do not forget to think in advance what questions you were waiting for and what you can say about those who asked or did not ask, although he could.

        Sitting exactly will not help calculate the mafia.
        Among all the actions that are in the roles, the mafia definitely finds only one:
        If you know the only nickname among the guests of the murdered, then he shot. That is, only Jeeves (and Oliver) can know something for sure. Unless of course you guess the victim and there will be 1 guest, and there will be no block. And the shot was not peaceful (which could also be).
        Anyone else needs to rely on conjectures one way or another, whether it is rhetoric in the subject, or thoughts like - "there is no murder, maybe I blocked the killer?" Or "they shot me and didn’t kill me, is it because I suspected Vasya"?

        Still, in fact, you can find out exactly the mafia through an interview, but most likely you need to do this twice.

        But I want to ask different.
        For example, a combination of the answer to the question about the positive status Yes and the actual verification of the status as negative can lead to certain thoughts.
        But this is definitely not a quick way. Moreover, you cannot be sure that you have correctly understood the very essence of the issue.
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          Оффлайн Sue Sharlin

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          4. What do you consider (by experience or intuitively) a sign of a peaceful player, and what is a sign of a negative player.

          If you say about this/// I was too lazy to answer this question. Now i can say that my technics won't work there. I often play with people who contradict themselves, laugh at night or behave unnaturally. and... no one canceled the intuition  ^_^

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            With such activity, I see only 1 way - to change the voting system from the current 50%+1 to the ordinary majority. So even if 7 players will vote with 4-3 - player with 4 will be jailed.
            Not bad.
            ака Куронэк :: [Maschera] :: Los Cafeteros :: My Little Mokocchi :: Я тебя убью. А торт, кстати, уже съели. :: Мэнхэра-тян :: ⛩ / c♯

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              Оффлайн l10ha

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              okey.
              For Caramel. on of the first day, you distributed people twice over all the colors of the rainbow. I miss this post from u! but what interesting. why did u stop doing that? are u afraid of something?
              3 different players.
              This is one. Two more

              i'd like to note that Sue is not the only one who appeared once - maybe twice and said nothing important
              so maybe it'll work
              Try it and you. In the end, when you vote someone, it gives information about your suspicions.


              okey.
              For Caramel. on of the first day, you distributed people twice over all the colors of the rainbow. I miss this post from u! but what interesting. why did u stop doing that? are u afraid of something?
              3 different players.
              This is one. Two more

              i'd like to note that Sue is not the only one who appeared once - maybe twice and said nothing important
              so maybe it'll work
              Try it and you. In the end, when you vote someone, it gives information about your suspicions.

              what about mouse? I don't understand the meaning of some of his remarks. when he talked about meeting irl. I thought he was to catch something with that. bit then he dodged the question. I'd like to know about those acquaintances too.

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                If you say about this/// I was too lazy to answer this question. Now i can say that my technics won't work there. I often play with people who contradict themselves, laugh at night or behave unnaturally. and... no one canceled the intuition
                Contradictions work great.
                For example, Gus said that he has many questions for everyone. But when I asked to ask three players (all three, not all), he was able to come up with a question for only one.
                This is not a contradiction in your opinion?

                Intuition works definitely worse, but some players call themselves “intuitions” openly. That is, they do not try to act with facts or logic, but simply write what they think.
                Is your intuition silent now? If not, it will not be a bad decision to simply write what she says, in the end, if she works, then other players will not hurt to know what she said, you see, there are facts.

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                  If you say about this/// I was too lazy to answer this question. Now i can say that my technics won't work there. I often play with people who contradict themselves, laugh at night or behave unnaturally. and... no one canceled the intuition
                  Contradictions work great.
                  For example, Gus said that he has many questions for everyone. But when I asked to ask three players (all three, not all), he was able to come up with a question for only one.
                  This is not a contradiction in your opinion?

                  Intuition works definitely worse, but some players call themselves “intuitions” openly. That is, they do not try to act with facts or logic, but simply write what they think.
                  Is your intuition silent now? If not, it will not be a bad decision to simply write what she says, in the end, if she works, then other players will not hurt to know what she said, you see, there are facts.
                  oh I answered one question, because I want about my business. you are wondering why? I am still writing th questions


                    Оффлайн Sue Sharlin

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                    If you say about this/// I was too lazy to answer this question. Now i can say that my technics won't work there. I often play with people who contradict themselves, laugh at night or behave unnaturally. and... no one canceled the intuition
                    Contradictions work great.
                    For example, Gus said that he has many questions for everyone. But when I asked to ask three players (all three, not all), he was able to come up with a question for only one.
                    This is not a contradiction in your opinion?

                    Intuition works definitely worse, but some players call themselves “intuitions” openly. That is, they do not try to act with facts or logic, but simply write what they think.
                    Is your intuition silent now? If not, it will not be a bad decision to simply write what she says, in the end, if she works, then other players will not hurt to know what she said, you see, there are facts.

                    I'm scared so much. My inglish isn't well so i answer with low speed. AND
                    if I accuse someone, I may be accused in response and I'm not sure that I can clearly respond to the attack

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                      oh I answered one question, because I want about my business. you are wondering why? I am still writing th questions

                      I thought that if you told the truth about a large number of questions, then you can voice 3 of them in one post after no more than 15 minutes after you read the request.
                      That is, if the questions were already in the head, it would not take a long time to write them down. And another thing, if you first said, and then realized the danger of this phrase, but decided to come up with them, after reading the topic again.

                        Оффлайн Sue Sharlin

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                          Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                          Hah, I made it quicker than I have expected. If you did not understand something - ask me again, I will paraphrase.

                          01.  pastor chivay - he gave a very quick analysis of the interview and became looking like a confident guy (not a lost lamb). I have a little bit of idea who he might be, so I'll paint him red.
                          02.  Dmixn - one meaningless post (2 symbols long) in the wrong thread. Gray.
                          03.  Putin mod.2 - do I have a write something against him? Well, I do, actually, find "no one" vote as the first post very interesting. Unlike the others, he wants not to have any sanctions against him due to his silence game. Deep gray.
                          04.  Sue Sharlin - I see a contradiction between her experience in real life and her playstyle here. Such way is bad from the very beginning. As she was not scared to play in a bold way of denial - it can be Orlando as he is not scared to be lynched.
                          05.  l10ha - I reread all the posts from Goose and I found out that he basically wrote everything, but nothing. So he is among active players but only asks something and supports (or not) another player opinion. Now he is gray in dark stripes. Close to black.
                          06.  Falcon hunting - at first appeared as a cool/strong/useful person, but now he is gone with only 1 post per day. What brought him such behavior? I have no idea, but his model of playing changes sharply. I suspected him as a maniac, now I don't know about him. Deep gray.
                          07.  shiori - cannot say for sure, but his game is lazy-mentor type. Did one analysis, answered a couple of questions and nothing more. I saw such players sometimes, so let him be more #A87D7D.
                          08.  Drusha - said that night was good as no one was killed. I saw many times from mafia happy statements about "no killing" during the night. Amateurish way of playing if it's the case. Gray.
                          09.  Bratuxa777 - La buveuse d'absinthe. (There is a complicated wordplay absinthe -> абсент -> absent).
                          10.  Julik1221 - one meaningless post ver. 2.0. in the wrong thread. Gray.
                          11.  SamPie -
                          Спойлер
                          12.  InVictA - 2 posts. Does not know anything and reaction on my joke. Gray.
                          Спойлер
                          14.  Anony-mouse - Oh, that's a more interesting character to analyze. At first, he modestly says about his little experience. He was reasonable, but he is not trying to win, strongly pointing on "learning game". Let him a Sweeny, it's really up to him to play in such style.
                          15.  Uranium235 - the most active. He promised to play in a weaker manner, but I like that he goes up in such an active form. The playstyle of peaceful player, right phases and actions. If he is a mafia, well, only congrats as to be such wide-opened takes guts. Anyway, it would be a waste of a player to be lynched here and now, the game will lose most of its activity. Red.
                          I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
                          I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams

                            Оффлайн Uranium235

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                            I'm scared so much. My inglish isn't well so i answer with low speed. AND
                            if I accuse someone, I may be accused in response and I'm not sure that I can clearly respond to the attack
                            So, you are not sure of your intuition so well as to take it as the basis of the game. Neither the fear of retaliatory accusation nor illogicality stopped all the “intuitions” whom I know.
                            At least when they play out of town.
                            Another 1 old question is how to win the city if everyone is silent like you (you said then that you have a good strategy)?
                            Well, 2 related new ones. You did not say that I can be a mafia - why do you think this is so?
                            And you said that I can be Todd - do you agree with my objection.

                            And I also know English very poorly - an online translator helps out.

                              Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                              Oh, once again - I use RGB model - red, gray, black. Take it into account to avoid misunderstandings.
                              I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
                              I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams

                                Оффлайн Sue Sharlin

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                                I'm scared so much. My inglish isn't well so i answer with low speed. AND
                                if I accuse someone, I may be accused in response and I'm not sure that I can clearly respond to the attack
                                So, you are not sure of your intuition so well as to take it as the basis of the game. Neither the fear of retaliatory accusation nor illogicality stopped all the “intuitions” whom I know.
                                At least when they play out of town.
                                Another 1 old question is how to win the city if everyone is silent like you (you said then that you have a good strategy)?
                                Well, 2 related new ones. You did not say that I can be a mafia - why do you think this is so?
                                And you said that I can be Todd - do you agree with my objection.

                                And I also know English very poorly - an online translator helps out.

                                But i'm not this "intuition" and i'm scared
                                thankyou for voting me 0.0
                                I just wanted to live

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                                  Fasting Caramel briefly:
                                  Pastor and Uran are peaceful, Shiori is closer to peaceful. The mouse is unknown, but let it play.
                                  Messor, Goose, Putin mod closer to the negatives.
                                  Sue is Orlando.
                                  The rest are gray.

                                  I just checked for myself, because I never understood the point of writing that everyone is gray, because it relies on the definition. But after analysis, we can say that in fact there are more colors. I think I will remain in my opinion that the mafia is not here.

                                  Caramel, can you tell how you see Bennett's questions to Shiori?
                                  Wording. I promised at least half of the game not to get into this business, to let others play. But this does not mean that I cannot ask someone else's opinion.
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                                    Оффлайн l10ha

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                                    oh I answered one question, because I want about my business. you are wondering why? I am still writing th questions

                                    I thought that if you told the truth about a large number of questions, then you can voice 3 of them in one post after no more than 15 minutes after you read the request.
                                    That is, if the questions were already in the head, it would not take a long time to write them down. And another thing, if you first said, and then realized the danger of this phrase, but decided to come up with them, after reading the topic again.
                                    u spooked a goose :misery:



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                                      And by the way, for Orlando, Sue’s reaction to the voice is too violent, so at least I don’t agree.

                                      I have Julik often a victim of intimidation, and since the mafia may not even know that it is displayed in the newspaper like this, it is often not the mafia either.
                                      Of course, I admit that I was mistaken and can change my mind, perhaps much earlier than you think.
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                                        Оффлайн l10ha

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                                        And by the way, for Orlando, Sue’s reaction to the voice is too violent, so at least I don’t agree.

                                        I have Julik often a victim of intimidation, and since the mafia may not even know that it is displayed in the newspaper like this, it is often not the mafia either.
                                        Of course, I admit that I was mistaken and can change my mind, perhaps much earlier than you think.

                                        u say the right things. but sometimes I think it is easier for me, to give you my brain, than to worry about answers

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                                          I agree to the account of Messor. He can search much better. He plays well not only in a leisurely mode as it is now, but also in games where on average at least 1000 posts are written per day (24 hours).

                                            Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                                            Caramel, can you tell how you see Bennett's questions to Shiori?
                                            I already answered somewhere above. It's a new thing for me - such interviews. But I'll try to post a new analysis of it now.

                                            – Do you know anyone who has already given way to his or her homicidal tendencies?

                                            If yes - I see both possibilities of the mafia and e.g. Marple, who can find someone from it. Since answer is no - he is not mafia or he didn't found his foe.

                                            – Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?

                                            I thought only about gadgets, but someone told, that any item could be a gizmo. As the answer is no - possible roles are:

                                            Ebenezer Scrooge
                                            jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx
                                            Orlando - from a certain point of view
                                            Christopher Robin - also from a certain point of view
                                            Reginald Jeeves
                                            LIZ Bennet

                                            So, LIZ Bennet to ask herself is very pro way of playing, so discarding her role - 2 possible roles for him if he is the town and answered the truth.

                                            – Are you keen on stalking people?

                                            I thought this question is only about Oliver Twist role (as he MUST choose, while other roles CAN choose). I do really miss a good explanation here.

                                            So the analysis of this interview did not give me a thing. I based my opinion only on his posts.


                                            And by the way, for Orlando, Sue’s reaction to the voice is too violent, so at least I don’t agree.
                                            That's exactly why it's my opinion. If I wanted to write something in the style of conformism - you would find my post fully the same as your opinion. My thoughts are based, that she very persistently trying to drown herself and keeping in mind her experience, that she mentioned - it's too newbie way of playing. So I'm trying to find a more logical explanation. If you're right and I'm wrong - then I still have a long way to go in the Mafia Game. That's exactly why I came here - to hone my skills.

                                            And by the way, for Orlando, Sue’s reaction to the voice is too violent, so at least I don’t agree.

                                            I have Julik often a victim of intimidation, and since the mafia may not even know that it is displayed in the newspaper like this, it is often not the mafia either.
                                            Of course, I admit that I was mistaken and can change my mind, perhaps much earlier than you think.

                                            u say the right things. but sometimes I think it is easier for me, to give you my brain, than to worry about answers


                                            Goose's phrases are still a pile of junk, so he can soon open his own junkyard.
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                                            I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
                                            I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams

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                                              4. I didn't get that Bennet's Turing test feature.
                                              It's tricky, yes. It has several important limitations.
                                              a. It must be general questions (so that one can answer "yes" or "no").
                                              b. They must not include any roles. ("Do you know Mary Poppins?")
                                              c. They must not repeat. (By asking the same question three times, you could get a 100% proof answer). It also means that it must not be the same question, but rephrased in different words.
                                              d. The interviews must not repeat from night to night; at least one question must be changed.
                                              What questions are allowed? Well, something like this: "Are you armed?", "Are you sociable / Do have friends?", "Did you visit X last night?", etc. Be creative, but compose them carefully.
                                              Also, e. Bennet has a cooldown and can't test herself.
                                              And I still add a simple conclusion from myself.
                                              If you cannot ask such and such a role, then you cannot ask in such a way that exactly one role could answer yes or no. So, the version with must is definitely incorrect.

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                                                07.  shiori - cannot say for sure, but his game is lazy-mentor type. Did one analysis, answered a couple of questions and nothing more. I saw such players sometimes, so let him be more #A87D7D.
                                                Wow, dark pink! Nice tint.

                                                I can declare that see Caramel & Uran as citizens just now. If I would detect something suspicious about them, I will confront, but they do a good work for now.
                                                Also I like activity of Anon and Chivay.

                                                Music interlude. Sort of cringe
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                                                  I can declare that see Caramel & Uran as citizens just now. If I would detect something suspicious about them, I will confront, but they do a good work for now.
                                                  Also I like activity of Anon and Chivay.
                                                  I think now we know where the treatment, protection and the guests check should be.

                                                    Оффлайн Sue Sharlin

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                                                    i don't understand anything but it's very interesting  xD

                                                      Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                                                      And I still add a simple conclusion from myself.
                                                      If you cannot ask such and such a role, then you cannot ask in such a way that exactly one role could answer yes or no. So, the version with must is definitely incorrect.

                                                      I missed that part, as reread only roles sheet. Then altogether it makes the interview even vaguer.
                                                      I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
                                                      I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams

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                                                        i don't understand anything but it's very interesting
                                                        Try to tell what you saw in the big GM post earlier this day.
                                                        Newspaper

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                                                          Goose's phrases are still a pile of junk, so he can soon open his own junkyard.
                                                          I’ll be sure to invite you to my junkyard opening. I’ll get back in the next few days.

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                                                            Оффлайн Sue Sharlin

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                                                            Goose's phrases are still a pile of junk, so he can soon open his own junkyard.
                                                            I’ll be sure to invite you to my junkyard opening. I’ll get back in the next few days.


                                                            don't listen to her,  i like to hear you///
                                                            if you really open your junkyard i will come