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youŗe

This was "you're", didn't change the keyboard layout and apostrophe was replaced by a special (yet obsolete) letter.
I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams


    Оффлайн Anony-mouse

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    Oh, I'm having a hard time here, to be honest. A lot of words and messages, but I gathered my thoughts and read everything.
    Most of all, I liked the message from the player  Kara_Mel . I want to vote for the  Anony-mouse because he really has changed a lot in his behavior, which is quite strange. I may be led by  Kara_Mel, but he has a very strong argument. I vote for

    A very nasty excuse for voting that hurt me right in the heart, sweetheart.

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    that is, you admit that you are a maniac?

    Even the most miserable maniac would not admit it. I'm not a maniac. True true!  :kekeke:

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      I'll support the majority

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        I may refuse to accept the votes without any justification whatsoever.
        drusha




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          oh my goose, everyone revived!!

            Оффлайн l10ha

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            Oh, I'm having a hard time here, to be honest. A lot of words and messages, but I gathered my thoughts and read everything.
            Most of all, I liked the message from the player  Kara_Mel . I want to vote for the  Anony-mouse because he really has changed a lot in his behavior, which is quite strange. I may be led by  Kara_Mel, but he has a very strong argument. I vote for

            A very nasty excuse for voting that hurt me right in the heart, sweetheart.

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            that is, you admit that you are a maniac?

            Even the most miserable maniac would not admit it. I'm not a maniac. True true!  :kekeke:


            so who will be your victim? or will you help in the killing? how about me?



            Oh, I'm having a hard time here, to be honest. A lot of words and messages, but I gathered my thoughts and read everything.
            Most of all, I liked the message from the player  Kara_Mel . I want to vote for the  Anony-mouse because he really has changed a lot in his behavior, which is quite strange. I may be led by  Kara_Mel, but he has a very strong argument. I vote for

            A very nasty excuse for voting that hurt me right in the heart, sweetheart.

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            that is, you admit that you are a maniac?

            or don't you like a goose? maybe you like Putin more? or sampai? Who?
            Even the most miserable maniac would not admit it. I'm not a maniac. True true!  :kekeke:


            so who will be your victim? or will you help in the killing? how about me?




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              Оффлайн Anony-mouse

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              so who will be your victim? or will you help in the killing? how about me?

              Even if I come to you, you won’t even feel pain, I can promise you that. Well ... to be honest, I’m unlikely to go to you. As a night goal, you are less interesting to me than some others.  :smoke:


              , no, honestly, don’t you think that if a player with an avatar mixed from Mickey Mouse and Guy Fawkes mask should be given a role with the description "With a Guy Fawkes mask in place of the face and intimidating
              weapons instead of the hands ... " then would it be a little excessive?)))
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                so who will be your victim? or will you help in the killing? how about me?

                Even if I come to you, you won’t even feel pain, I can promise you that. Well ... to be honest, I’m unlikely to go to you. As a night goal, you are less interesting to me than some others.  :smoke:


                , no, honestly, don’t you think that if a player with an avatar mixed from Mickey Mouse and Guy Fawkes mask should be given a role with the description "With a Guy Fawkes mask in place of the face and intimidating
                weapons instead of the hands ... " then would it be a little excessive?)))

                I'm not sure of anything. my brain is full of doubts. will he be saved? or do you decide to cut it out?


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                  so who will be your victim? or will you help in the killing? how about me?

                  Even if I come to you, you won’t even feel pain, I can promise you that. Well ... to be honest, I’m unlikely to go to you. As a night goal, you are less interesting to me than some others.  :smoke:


                  , no, honestly, don’t you think that if a player with an avatar mixed from Mickey Mouse and Guy Fawkes mask should be given a role with the description "With a Guy Fawkes mask in place of the face and intimidating
                  weapons instead of the hands ... " then would it be a little excessive?)))
                  somewhere in the corner laughing GM!


                    Оффлайн pastor chivay

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                    somewhere in the corner laughing GM!

                    Or screaming in pain...

                    Funny provocations from the mouse, either he has nothing to lose or this is a good move to push suspections away

                      Оффлайн l10ha

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                      somewhere in the corner laughing GM!

                      Or screaming in pain...

                      Funny provocations from the mouse, either he has nothing to lose or this is a good move to push suspections away

                      :no:I am sure that it is not his fault! you can not blame him! how ugly it is, pastor! I am sure that if he wants to kill someone, he will definitely say! as he did with julik. left him for later!


                        Оффлайн Uranium235

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                        I am satisfied. They were able to somehow organize without direct leadership.
                        Of course, I would say that I didn’t do anything on purpose today to let others show themselves, but this is not true, just ordinary apathy due to the fact that the situation is not under control.

                        On the Caramel question, no, the meaning is a bit different.
                        The hint displays a random word, title or phrase.
                        His connection with the role of the murderer goes through the description, for example, now it was possible to understand that Todd was the killer of Bratukha to describe the process (well, by the fact that there was no evidence for another murder).
                        I tried to show how the process of compiling evidence is carried out - GM opens (in this case, a wiki article is usually used, the list of which is pre-linked to the players nicknames) profile) the player’s profile, finds some fact there, and receives through a chain of associations or logically related facts the final product is evidence.
                        I’ll also say that solving evidence is not profitable in the opposite way - that is, tying the black square to the profile, but in the way it was made up. That is, to take the profile of a suspicious player and try to make the same transitions, so that in the end the same hint will consistently come out.
                        Formally, there should be a feedback - that is, the ability to track the same chain on the contrary, starting with a piece of fabric and ending with Todd's profile. But this does not always work, because this way of solving the evidence may be true only by accident.
                        True, I can’t imagine how the disclosure of this information would have made it more peaceful - I would have also said something similar and the mafia, having called myself a mentor, I must at least correspond.
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                          Оффлайн Uranium235

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                          by new colors:
                          Putin-mod now seems to me much more peaceful than it seemed so yesterday, with a stupid question what is happening, the answer to which he did not care. But of course, I would not argue for its color - I simply state that I no longer claim that it is “rather black”.
                          The problem is that I'm not sure about Dryusha. I definitely should set an example of cohesion, that is, vote with my often peaceful players (Caramel, Pastor and Goose). His position with the mafia Uranus and Caramel is quite bold in the current situation.
                          That is, it is so ineffective for the mafia that it’s pretty hard for me to believe that the mafia really uses it. Which has nothing to do with how I should play. Namely, in cooperation with those whom I often consider peaceful.
                          I also liked Invict's attack on the Mouse. It makes little sense if Drusha is a mafia, because support for Caramel is hardly possible, it has already been decided. And even less, if Dryusha is peaceful, why stop the city from making a mistake. I can’t say that the action is exactly peaceful - I can well imagine the mafia, which, seeing that the voting is going on, definitely generates an artificial conflict between itself. But this is called a “runaway search," and now I'm definitely not ready to do it.

                            Оффлайн Uranium235

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                            Actually, at the moment I would say that there are many bad people in the group: Messor, Shiori and Mouse.
                            Surely I didn’t exactly name it. The mouse in general does not look so much like the mafia, but rather like the neutral one, if you study its neat game with the next “nobody” now, while it has started vigorously, as if it has some information about Rogue or wants to show what it can be, so that I’ll answer some. reaction.
                            But for now, I still consider him a likely victim of intimidation, and obviously I would not want to support this vote, even realizing that he will continue to do nothing further. In the end, we have a maniac who, judging by the shot, is not against shooting offliners (maybe GM even asks him about this so as not to interfere himself).
                            Understanding that a maniac is a separate fraction, the goal of which is to win his own victory does not come immediately. You will be surprised how many players, having received a maniac for the first time, are sure that their task is to kill the mafia and nothing more. I want to believe that this time ours is just the same, therefore, in any case, you can ask him to kill those who are silent, suddenly the host has not yet asked.
                            You want to help the city, right? In exchange, I can say that in the end, when a critical situation arises, and the city will choose who to give the victory to, the mafia or maniac, without the right to win by yourself, you are more likely to get it if you kill those whom the city itself is glad to get rid of . The evidence will become easier, at some point you will be figured out, not the city is so mafia. But this is not a defeat, time passes between found and destroyed, and how much depends on you.

                              Оффлайн Uranium235

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                              In general, I think I will support those whom I see as a city with a vote. At the same time, I’m not at all sure that I am expelling the mafia. But even less I am sure that I can now efficiently agitate someone else, but if I'm not right about this just tell me.
                              For example, Shiori still has not identified at least some suspicions, and at the same time I did not notice his vote with my peaceful ones.
                              As far as I remember, analyzing the survey, that Caramel and Pastor deduced him peacefully (although the analytics was based on too shaky assumptions).
                              This no less effectively explains why none of them was killed and why the murder was without evidence, and not with the ignore of treatment - the role of Liz is quite dangerous for the mafia and has no protection. Knowing the essence of the questions, it is possible to accurately determine who Liz is NOT, according to the mistakes made in the assumptions. And to kill Goose, while Caramel suspects him, which it is decided to leave alive is not necessary at all.
                              True, this approach can be applied equally to me and Messor, because when I saw the shot, I doubted at the beginning of this day at the expense of fidelity of colors. But judging by what he did today (nothing), I was more likely right. He refused to analyze the poll and suspect or not suspect Shiori, you yourself saw. I did not see any reason for Nepara (slang, means that the two players are not the Mafia both), although at that moment they were very interesting to me, I suspect both of them, but I fear errors, I look for any point to refute myself.
                              At the expense of Mouse, I'm still not sure, but it seemed to me that Invicta not just suspects him, but knows something from the night. At the same time, I remind you that it is difficult to obtain absolute knowledge, because there is some skepticism.
                              And she doesn’t allow me to simply wave it off, because until that moment Invicta did not betray anything at all.

                              And Sampai seemed to me a slightly smaller mafia due to the fact that from his only message it is not visible that he allows Bratukha to be a villain, while he may be.
                              But of course, in another case, from which it is necessary to win back, Bratuha is not Scrooge but someone else, and then Sampai by itself remains in the zone of suspicion, especially since I saw something similar to the opinion against Goose, and take into account suspicions of your probable peace are necessary - they turn out to be true more often than if you poked the player by chance.

                              So, that’s all, good, we must wait until at least someone appreciates me, otherwise we know these reactions, horror-horror, many letters, I won’t read it.
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                                So I do not mind changing my mind, there would be a reason. They allow me to play, which means that I could think somewhere wrong. In principle, I was thinking somewhere wrong in the case of Sue, but as you can see, I changed the voice from her. I would definitely say that I still consider her a frequent black, and I remove my voice only because of a lack of support, the fact that I did not say this should suggest that her messages gave me the necessary facts to doubt and change my mind.
                                Use this example to understand that I am not a "ram" who sees only his version and nothing else. On the contrary, I know how easily I can make mistakes, and I am looking for an opportunity to see what. Conditionally, I could be mistaken in Gus because he did not particularly understand the roles of the killed, but rather he was occupied with a clue about a maniac who was more than interesting to the mafia. Look for arguments. Even if they look strange and ridiculous, the mere fact of presence is already significant.

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                                  I hope someone comments on the Shiori poll again.
                                  I will nevertheless tell my idea (I’m not sure if it is correct or not, actually). But I gave enough time so that everyone who wants to can try their hand at decryption on their own, and there will probably be no more polls.
                                  Stalking = check, that is, the question is whether the player can check.
                                  Let me remind you that when Sue (well, or someone else, if we misunderstood her) comes up with a question, she will not proceed from subjective feelings that this description is like a persecution, but it is different.
                                  On the contrary, she is looking for unambiguous facts. That is, there should be a general, and rather simple quality that can be described as "stalking of people", and one must look for it, and not fit the description of the role or action to this description.

                                  I twisted in different ways, but other options do not occur to me. This is definitely related to the essence of what the player can do, and not some of his description or passive abilities. But not killing (as described, the desire to kill can be seen above). Not an opportunity / fact of meeting someone. Not the ability to heal / protect. And it’s not very similar to the ability to block something. Only the check remains (although it is unambiguous to say whether the ability to recognize the role of a corpse will be a check, for example, I can’t, rather not).

                                  I still will not write the full version of the reasoning on the survey, but maybe now I will direct someone to the correct thought about Shiori, so I’ll tell you all the same.

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                                    Day 2 Exit Poll

                                    (4): l10ha, Kara_Mel, pastor chivay, Putin mod.2
                                      (1): InVictA

                                    None of the above (1): Anony-mouse

                                    No vote (7): , , , , , ,


                                    Deadline SAT 1 PM. 3 hours left.



                                    Okay, let's be real here. It's not the best option to wrap it up at 1 PM on Saturday. Let's postpone the deadline a little.

                                    Deadline SAT 6 PM. 7 hours left.
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                                      Оффлайн Anony-mouse

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                                      If we consider the first question of the interview as "are there mafiosi among your friends", that is, the rephrased "are you mafiosi?", the second question is - "are you armed?" and the third question is - "do you have a "data" night action?", then we have the following options for the role of Shiori:

                                      Lied to the first question - Ebenezer Scrooge.

                                      Lied to the second question - Sherlock or Oliver.

                                      Lied to the third question - Marple, Jeeves, Alice or Liz (theoretically).

                                      If we consider the possible answers for each of the groups of roles, then we see that for Scrooge his answer is the best. For the other two groups there were answers equivalent to the one given in the interview. That is, no matter what role Shiori was, he gave the best answer. Therefore, no role options can be discarded for him.

                                      -----------------------------------------

                                      I must say that a journalist could ask more provocatively.

                                      The third question was supposed to be "do you have exactly two options for night actions?"

                                      All mafs have two night actions. Todd also has two.

                                      The townspeople have only three out of nine.

                                      Thus, even if the answer didn’t open the mafia directly, this would cut off most of the options for city's roles.

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                                        And not so bad.
                                        In general, I was inclined to believe that the second question is about the availability of protection against murder. But definitely, you can’t throw off and just have a weapon.
                                        Given that, with some chance, Scrooge could be Brother, Shiori is in some danger.
                                        Suppose it is peaceful too. Well, I can draw something like an attempt to protect Dryusha by invicta voting for another purpose.
                                        But the Messor in this case will surely fall out, his pairing with Dryusha with his wording, some voted against me, and some are just a messor, and even make me doubt at night. This is weak unpaired.

                                          Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                                          On the Caramel question, no, the meaning is a bit different.

                                          Ok, it's becoming more clear. But still one question - so the "black cloth" only points to the description of the role, but not the player himself?

                                          Putin-mod now seems to me much more peaceful than it seemed so yesterday, with a stupid question what is happening, the answer to which he did not care. But of course, I would not argue for its color - I simply state that I no longer claim that it is “rather black”.

                                          Votes from inactive players always bug me as the reasons "vote with the majority" is a bad reason. In case I'm mistaken about Drusha - it's a nice way of setting me up, as I'm the person who invoked such way of the events. For now, I would even dare to say, that perhaps, they have different colors.

                                          I also liked Invict's attack on the Mouse.
                                          It corresponds with my current logic, so there is a reason to suspect Mouse. Basically, it uses my statements against Mouse, but it's yet very unlikely that he will go down. So the option with the "giving vote away to provide further cover" still can be true.

                                          I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
                                          I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams

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                                            Messor
                                            I think I should inform you that Falcon hunting asked for a replacement. I'm trying to figure it out (as you might think, there isn't plenty of replacement options), but so you know.

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                                              And what is the third sampai thread.
                                              The maximum liquid mafia team is obtained, if Bratuha is also finished there, but there is no impossible.

                                              Too simple option, I mean:
                                              Bratuha, Dryusha, Invicta and SamPai.
                                              It is possible, but in this case, the city is somehow too close to victory, there is no intrigue, until nothing prevents everyone from sending them in turn, while Sue is killed, not an active peaceful one.

                                              Well, that is, it is clear that the Mouse interprets the survey more into the peace of Shiori, from which at the first level of thinking there follows a high chance of a city for both.

                                              Well, that is, it is clear that the Mouse interprets the survey more into the peace of Shiori, from which at the first level of thinking there follows a high chance of a city for both.
                                              It is only then that one can think that this is a purchase, or simply a misunderstanding, or protecting one from me (substituting independently, it is unlikely that the Mouse-Maf expects me to admit that I was completely mistaken with the blacks).

                                              Ok, it's becoming more clear. But still one question - so the "black cloth" only points to the description of the role, but not the player himself?
                                              On the contrary, only to the player.
                                              But indirectly in a few steps.
                                              The role of the killer is indicated by a scalp.



                                              It corresponds with my current logic, so there is a reason to suspect Mouse. Basically, it uses my statements against Mouse, but it's yet very unlikely that he will go down. So the option with the "giving vote away to provide further cover" still can be true.
                                              At the moment, I changed my mind a bit.
                                              He incorrectly tracked the chronology, at that time there was only one vote (yours) in Dryusha, that is, in fact, it could have been his defense in a situation where it was really possible to crank it.
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                                                By the way, if you ask yourself why I haven’t voted yet, then I won’t be able to clearly answer it. But if you didn’t ask, then you can tell why.

                                                  Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                                                  By the way, if you ask yourself why I haven’t voted yet, then I won’t be able to clearly answer it. But if you didn’t ask, then you can tell why.

                                                  Voting was prolonged and you can gather some info or make some provocations, why not?

                                                  I think I should inform you that Falcon hunting asked for a replacement. I'm trying to figure it out (as you might think, there isn't plenty of replacement options), but so you know.
                                                  I'll ask Uranium here - how often do replacements take place here (at this forum) and which type of role usually gets replaced (by statistics) - mafia or the town?

                                                  Too simple option, I mean:
                                                  Bratuha, Dryusha, Invicta and SamPai.

                                                  This a little bit goes against that the mafia has someone experienced among them.
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                                                  I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
                                                  I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams

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                                                    As a mentor, I am obliged to answer that it is not too correct to discuss the conclusions from the fact of a replacement or a possible replacement (in this case), and sometimes the ban is explicitly stated.
                                                    This is not prohibited now, therefore, you can punish GM and discuss it specifically so that next time this item is not missed. But in this party I pursue other goals, and therefore I will not participate in such a discussion.

                                                    And I was not in a hurry with my voice before I saw the extension.

                                                      Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                                                      As a mentor, I am obliged to answer that it is not too correct to discuss the conclusions from the fact of a replacement or a possible replacement (in this case), and sometimes the ban is explicitly stated.
                                                      This is not prohibited now, therefore, you can punish GM and discuss it specifically so that next time this item is not missed. But in this party I pursue other goals, and therefore I will not participate in such a discussion.

                                                      Ok, if here it's usually undiscussable - I will not go any further. I asked only because when I hosted games - I also had to replace some players and I know my ideas behind it and know which reaction was from other players.

                                                      And I was not in a hurry with my voice before I saw the extension.

                                                      Then you're not sure with my reasoning and it's also fully understandable.
                                                      I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
                                                      I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams

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                                                        I really am not sure and said that.
                                                        It’s too bold for the maf to call you and me black — after all, we now have confidence to execute the objectionable only for these words.
                                                        But this did not stop me from voting either in support or in the alternative version, because the voice can be changed.

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