London, 2077

[Uranium235]

Now Mouse is a maniac because of the confident naming of the role of SamPai, the idea of ​​F in the new newspaper’s editorial staff no longer looks attractive to me, so we can assume that he is right.
But I would not say that another way to know his peaceful role does not exist yesterday. Who will find - tell me, it’s better not I say this.
And Shiori the mafia, I never liked the ignorance of where whose murder, except when it is really hidden and incomprehensible - but then the reaction is usually appropriate, without confidence. Yes, and with such a gross logical error, as a modkill for an asset and a murder by the mafia for a spun.

But do not think that I have finished the conclusions. I’ve been living too long, and this is the first sign that someone is using me, and just the remaining Caramel and Pastor were not seriously suspected.

The one thing I don't like - vote against SamPie, almost as if he knew Drusha's role.

And I'm still waiting for an answer to yesterday. Surprisingly, there was a day to read, but why explain why you are not considering the chronology, really. I do not cry as long as the thought in your mind is considered unverified, this can only mean reluctance to study the comment.
I did not know the role of Dryusha, and now I do not know.
But I know how voting on a city drain usually looks.

[Kara_Mel]

And I'm still waiting for an answer to yesterday. Surprisingly, there was a day to read, but why explain why you are not considering the chronology, really.

Which question I did not answer - please repeat and I'll do it right now.


Chronology says, that you wanted me to change my vote, not me. I was confident about my reasoning and would do it again.
Just a little something to support my opinion:

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%83%D0%BC_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B0

And from the first link - there is a link to the second.

[Uranium235]

Which question I did not answer - please repeat and I'll do it right now.

I asked for comment, why didn’t you take into account that my vote was earlier than the statement of um about the chain of modkills when you put forward some complaints about the purpose of the vote?
I hope you don’t have to look for this quote, and you remember it yourself.

The second question was related to the first, what is your voice better if, after reading the announcement, you still chose a likely victim.
There seemed to be something else, but for now it was.

I would consider evidence only on the English wiki. There are hardly any exceptions to this plan.
(I could be wrong).
And yet, you have not commented on the theory that Gus could know something about the Mouse from the result of the night, for example, to be a blocker who blocked him on the third night, and we did not get the shot.
Do this now. Simple answer format - will you give at least 30% to the fact that such or similar turn could be?

[Uranium235]

And I also spoke about the importance of the order of killing inactives - if there is a maniac among them, you can avoid killing, for example.
In the vote against Dryusha, 1 vote was not enough, while I clearly asked to throw aside in this case the voice to the side in order to legally report this result.
The one who read me the least carefully out of all 6 voters is obviously Putin.
So, he was either intimidated by Moreau, or was resting in the Griffin block (an option that would deprive Orlando of his voice to throw him out as unlikely). In both cases, he is less likely to negate than any other silent person, and this could be noticed if you study voting and accents more carefully yourself, if the language barrier does not allow you to see hints of an explanation from me.
But it’s better not to read at all, however, to vote a couple of hours before the limit and not to think about it (no).

[Kara_Mel]

I asked for comment, why didn’t you take into account that my vote was earlier than the statement of um about the chain of modkills when you put forward some complaints about the purpose of the vote?

There is one reason, that's why I do not take into account changed votes - they are not finals and can be deceiving. If it was a final - perhaps I could have changed my, but eventually, you said, that you can lynch Putin, but you don't like it. So you had an alternative. You wasn't rock-solid and in the end, your pre-vote is nothing.

The second question was related to the first, what is your voice better if, after reading the announcement, you still chose a likely victim.
There seemed to be something else, but for now it was.

I'm having troubles with auto-English. Announcement? The newspaper? What do you mean?

I would consider evidence only on the English wiki. There are hardly any exceptions to this plan.
(I could be wrong).

There is non-direct lead to the 12 Chair in English talk section https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AOpium_of_the_people
Other things can be found separately on English following the same logic.

And yet, you have not commented on the theory that Gus could know something about the Mouse from the result of the night, for example, to be a blocker who blocked him on the third night, and we did not get the shot.
Do this now. Simple answer format - will you give at least 30% to the fact that such or similar turn could be?

It could be, but now all we can do - is guess. Why was Goose killed, but not e.g. Pastor?

[Uranium235]

What do you mean?

1 kill 1 player each day and night

- GM anonce

It could be, but now all we can do - is guess. Why was Goose killed, but not e.g. Pastor?

And it’s Pasteur who is me and not me, or you or Shiori, do you consider a more likely murder?

I have such an explanation, based on the fact that Gus Orlando - they shot him down earlier, at 1 or 3 nights, and the mafia believed that he was a maniac, and so they finished off with evidence and ignoring the defense. Perhaps naive fools thought that Beagle was no longer there, which means that such a killing of losses will not bring, and it is necessary to kill the maniac.

[Kara_Mel]

What do you mean?

1 kill 1 player each day and night

- GM anonce

I have proposed a new voting scheme to avoid stalemate for the town, which is deadly btw. I guess I can say ('cause it's not a role related), that I have asked GM in PM to eliminate all inactive players in one go (because it's just impossible to play against silence without any info)  before an announcement, so I was little more informed about the procedure he has chosen. Of course, it would be understandable, that Putin will be killed last, so if he is mafia - he gaining more valuable time and his voting only confirmed it in my eyes.

And it’s Pasteur who is me and not me, or you or Shiori, do you consider a more likely murder?

If Mouse is black - Pastor is more dangerous, than Goose. Goose lack reasoning and could be easily painted as black. Choosing between Mouse and Goose I would highly likely vote Goose out at the next voting. So from that perspective Pastor is more dangerous.

[Uranium235]

he gaining more valuable time and his voting only confirmed it in my eyes.

What, what, what did it confirm? What negative role do you have in him?
I asked this recently, and there was no answer.

[Kara_Mel]

I've thought, that Pastor will say something to me, but it seems he left.

Uranium, do you have anything you would like to discuss with me now? If no - I'll be off to sleep.

[Uranium235]

You try to talk in full-role about keels like in a classic.
These are different types of mafia, in the current it is more important to get rid of roles, and only then, secondly, from players.

This does not mean that the logic of the classics is not applied at all. But its influence should not exceed the influence of hazard factors for the mafia of some roles over others.

[Anony-mouse]

Kara_Mel

, Hmm ... I find only one way of interpreting interview questions in which Shiori could be a maniac - if the second question is considered as "do you have protection?" True, I must say that I do not recall the use of such a variant of the question. Speaking simply, very, very simply, the task of the reporter is to ask the question "are you not a city dweller?" in three different ways. And questions about the availability of protection do not help too much in this task.
But for me, in any case, the scene of a conversation between Oliver Twist and the constable seems much more natural than participation in a similar scene by Sweeney Todd. I can, of course, be mistaken.

By the way, I should note that your link to a quote with opium casts more suspicion on Julik1221 than on Pastor - "Julie, or the New Heloise" by Jean-Jacques Rousseau and then "Juliette" by Marquis de Sade. The funniest thing is that in my own coordinate system, Julik cannot be Poppins, and it drives me a little crazy. Coincidence, damn coincidence.

[Uranium235]

I've thought, that Pastor will say something to me, but it seems he left.

Uranium, do you have anything you would like to discuss with me now? If no - I'll be off to sleep.

Yes, you need to comment on everything that I write specifically for you. For example, your assessment of the lack of voice against Dryusha or the role of Putin-mod.

[Kara_Mel]

he gaining more valuable time and his voting only confirmed it in my eyes.

What, what, what did it confirm? What negative role do you have in him?
I asked this recently, and there was no answer.

Do I have now? After the voting? None, as it's not confirmed to me by the results.

Or I had when I was voting? He played like a typical mafia I saw many times - unreasonable voting with such "explanations".

You try to talk in full-role about keels like in a classic.
These are different types of mafia, in the current it is more important to get rid of roles, and only then, secondly, from players.

This does not mean that the logic of the classics is not applied at all. But its influence should not exceed the influence of hazard factors for the mafia of some roles over others.

You see, my biggest experience IS a classic, so it is first game for me with such rules. I'm trying the best I can, though

I've thought, that Pastor will say something to me, but it seems he left.

Uranium, do you have anything you would like to discuss with me now? If no - I'll be off to sleep.

Yes, you need to comment on everything that I write specifically for you. For example, your assessment of the lack of voice against Dryusha or the role of Putin-mod.

There are 2 ways - intimidation on any player or Putin vote was not counted as it was done yesterday. Support the majority is not good reason.


Perhaps you bad in reading - here were my assessments

If Dmixn is Scrooge, what do we have?


02.  Dmixn - Scrooge
03.  Putin mod.2 - Biggles, if trust statements about cowboys
04.  Sue Sharlin - LIZ
06.  Falcon hunting - ? with a probability of being mafia.
08.  Drusha - Can Drusha be a Moreau the Artie? There was a reference to the meat bag and Moreau is The Bacon Rind. Also, there was no Intimidation/Authority today too.
09.  Bratuxa777 - Alice “Smol Bean” Liddel or Griffin the Invisible as there no more business-related roles.

[Uranium235]

Kara_Mel

, Hmm ... I find only one way of interpreting interview questions in which Shiori could be a maniac - if the second question is considered as "do you have protection?" True, I must say that I do not recall the use of such a variant of the question. Speaking simply, very, very simply, the task of the reporter is to ask the question "are you not a city dweller?" in three different ways. And questions about the availability of protection do not help too much in this task.
But for me, in any case, the scene of a conversation between Oliver Twist and the constable seems much more natural than participation in a similar scene by Sweeney Todd. I can, of course, be mistaken.

By the way, I should note that your link to a quote with opium casts more suspicion on Julik1221 than on Pastor - "Julie, or the New Heloise" by Jean-Jacques Rousseau and then "Juliette" by Marquis de Sade. The funniest thing is that in my own coordinate system, Julik cannot be Poppins, and it drives me a little crazy. Coincidence, damn coincidence.

I said several times during the first night - there are things that can be done now. That is, to come up with questions for the journalist, because he can easily be a beginner who does not imagine what to ask and why.
Who responded? That's right, no one, and Shiori, too, although he is hardly bound by the promise to let you play such moments yourself.
Actually, the situation turned out to be even worse than I expected, because Sue did not give her version of the questions, and as a result, the formulations slipped behind the surroundings.

But something I thought so, and you can’t call Shiori Poppins right away, since the answer is no, it does not fit either the question about weapons or the question about protection.

The first one is not particularly interpreted differently, and I think the Poppins is alive with the mafia.
You can still pull Moro (although I still see him in Messor, this may be a mistake. Yes, it is mentioned about the Queen’s hand as personal, that is, a hint at the role, but Moro is already my speculation and not a fact).

[pastor chivay]

If Mouse is black - Pastor is more dangerous, than Goose. Goose lack reasoning and could be easily painted as black. Choosing between Mouse and Goose I would highly likely vote Goose out at the next voting. So from that perspective Pastor is more dangerous.

I don't get anything. If you say that probably Mouse is black, why should I be more dangerous than mafia? - Considering the fact that you had no suspicions about me yesterday. Don't you forget about your previous suspicios about Mouse's behavior? Yesterday you clearly said that you would see how everything will go and maybe support someone's point of view, but you didn't - because for some reason you changed your mind and voted for Putin, who more likely was peaceful. It seems to me that your "conflict" and "suspicions" to Mouse was fake, regarding to zero reaction from him

It could be, but now all we can do - is guess. Why was Goose killed, but not e.g. Pastor?

I especially remember the Mouse's arguments like "No-no, I'm definitely not a maniac!" or something and his agreement with his hanging, which probably would avert suspicions about his involvement to mafia. If everyone thinks that killing someone with whom you're openly in conflict is dangerous and illogical, someone will use universal statement. This version is also possible, don't avoid it. And don't forget about redirections - maybe, get rid of me would be the best option to intimidate the Goose (especially considering that I was not suspected), but alas!

[Anony-mouse]

By the way, I should note that your link to a quote with opium casts more suspicion on Julik1221 than on Pastor - "Julie, or the New Heloise" by Jean-Jacques Rousseau and then "Juliette" by Marquis de Sade. The funniest thing is that in my own coordinate system, Julik cannot be Poppins, and it drives me a little crazy. Coincidence, damn coincidence.

And I have to add that if the murder was committed by Julik, then GameMaster could use only the player’s nickname (for the lack of everything else) to compile a clue on the murder. That's why all of these Julie and Juliette get so weighty and at the same time infuriate me)

[Uranium235]

There are 2 ways - intimidation on any player or Putin vote was not counted as it was done yesterday. Support the majority is not good reason.

Wrong. If you look at Julik's messages, you will see in him a voice that was against Dryusha and was not counted.
A similar voice of Putin against Goose is yesterday.
That is, if the vote is not accepted, it is recorded as not voting. It's hard to mix up.
And as far as I remember, I commented on this post of yours with a similar meaning, but obviously into the void.

Perhaps you bad in reading - here were my assessments

And why are you proud that you started voting against the one you think is peaceful now, and reproach me with the fact that I was dissatisfied with this, but do not appreciate the fact that my reasons are quite visible to myself?

[Kara_Mel]

If Mouse is black - Pastor is more dangerous, than Goose. Goose lack reasoning and could be easily painted as black. Choosing between Mouse and Goose I would highly likely vote Goose out at the next voting. So from that perspective Pastor is more dangerous.

I don't get anything. If you say that probably Mouse is black, why should I be more dangerous than mafia? - Considering the fact that you had no suspicions about me yesterday. Don't you forget about your previous suspicios about Mouse's behavior? Yesterday you clearly said that you would see how everything will go and maybe support someone's point of view, but you didn't - because for some reason you changed your mind and voted for Putin, who more likely was peaceful. It seems to me that your "conflict" and "suspicions" to Mouse was fake, regarding to zero reaction from him

It could be, but now all we can do - is guess. Why was Goose killed, but not e.g. Pastor?

I especially remember the Mouse's arguments like "No-no, I'm definitely not a maniac!" or something and his agreement with his hanging, which probably would avert suspicions about his involvement to mafia. If everyone thinks that killing someone with whom you're openly in conflict is dangerous and illogical, someone will use universal statement. This version is also possible, don't avoid it. And don't forget about redirections - maybe, get rid of me would be the best option to intimidate the Goose (especially considering that I was not suspected), but alas!

Because you will certainly support Goose against Mouse' so killing you is more logical. I myself can play against either of them, but as I wrote - more likely against Goose as he had a lack of reasoning throughout the game.

It's not my final decision yet, there are some things I would like to confirm. Otherwise, I would have already voted.

I surely remember all my suspicions and checking them.

Also - killing inactive Putin who was a mafia to me or active Mouse, who can also be mafia? Of course Putin.

[Uranium235]

I myself can play against either of them, but as I wrote - more likely against Goose as he had a lack of reasoning throughout the game.

Now tell me, can I be a mafia at all if I asked for less to suspect Goose?
For others, this is still possible, because they do not know you.
But if you know yourself peaceful, then tell at least some sense of this action for the mafia?

[Kara_Mel]

Perhaps you bad in reading - here were my assessments

And why are you proud that you started voting against the one you think is peaceful now, and reproach me with the fact that I was dissatisfied with this, but do not appreciate the fact that my reasons are quite visible to myself?

Should I behave like "OMG I have mistaken, so sorry, that I didn't listen to you, Uranium. Now I will follow your lead, sir"?

No, I should not. If Putin wasn't lynched yesterday - probably I would go against him today too. I have crossed out one of the suspects in my list. Negative result is a result too.

[Anony-mouse]

pastor chivay

, you should ask Kara_mel - why she first decided that the clue points to you, and then she began to completely ignore her own find, when it turned out that it is much clearer points to another player(Julik1221).

Okay, such a solution does not fit into MY coordinate system, but for other players it should be very logical. So why?

My brains quietly slide down somewhere, so it's better to take a horizontal position.

[Kara_Mel]

I myself can play against either of them, but as I wrote - more likely against Goose as he had a lack of reasoning throughout the game.

Now tell me, can I be a mafia at all if I asked for less to suspect Goose?
For others, this is still possible, because they do not know you.
But if you know yourself peaceful, then tell at least some sense of this action for the mafia?

Of course knowing, that player X is not mafia - you can find reasoning to say not to suspect him. It's too straightforward, but still can be possible. It's common in classic.


And tell me - why did I offered new voting scheme to make day lynching possible without draws?

[Uranium235]

Should I behave like "OMG I have mistaken, so sorry, that I didn't listen to you, Uranium. Now I will follow your lead, sir"?

No, I should not. If Putin wasn't lynched yesterday - probably I would go against him today too. I have crossed out one of the suspects in my list. Negative result is a result too.

The question is, how much do you want to see now that I definitely had at least small, but reasons to reason in Putin's favor?
And not that they are not enough to remove suspicions.
That is, the task is not to change your worldview, but to see that mine is different, and to accept that such an approach is also possible, and therefore measure it not by its own standards.

[Kara_Mel]

pastor chivay

, you should ask Kara_mel - why she first decided that the clue points to you, and then she began to completely ignore her own find, when it turned out that it is much clearer points to another player(Julik1221).

Okay, such a solution does not fit into MY coordinate system, but for other players it should be very logical. So why?

My brains quietly slide down somewhere, so it's better to take a horizontal position.

I'm writing via smartphone and it's not easy to be quick and write everything. I'm answering to things I can without going to the other web pages. I cannot check your pointings in MY clue.

[Uranium235]

Of course knowing, that player X is not mafia - you can find reasoning to say not to suspect him. It's too straightforward, but still can be possible. It's common in classic.


And tell me - why did I offered new voting scheme to make day lynching possible without draws?

The question is not about that. It is one thing to consider something yourself - and another to extinguish a conflict.

You just don’t know that I offered the same thing, because I don’t think that my image allows me to voice such suggestions in the subject for the sake of peace points. Actually, I could offer this to the mafia, but the question is how it might look. In general, your move is not so significant for me as the first impression of a desire to participate in the questionnaire.

[Kara_Mel]

Should I behave like "OMG I have mistaken, so sorry, that I didn't listen to you, Uranium. Now I will follow your lead, sir"?

No, I should not. If Putin wasn't lynched yesterday - probably I would go against him today too. I have crossed out one of the suspects in my list. Negative result is a result too.

The question is, how much do you want to see now that I definitely had at least small, but reasons to reason in Putin's favor?
And not that they are not enough to remove suspicions.
That is, the task is not to change your worldview, but to see that mine is different, and to accept that such an approach is also possible, and therefore measure it not by its own standards.

Of course you have your point of view, but you haven't done good job in making others to accept it. You so keen on me - why didn't you persuade others to change it - e.g. Pastor/Goose?

[Uranium235]

Of course you have your point of view, but you haven't done good job in making others to accept it. You so keen on me - why didn't you persuade others to change it - e.g. Pastor/Goose?

Let the pastor himself tell why he was not convinced, I also turned to him. Another thing is that I didn’t really imagine what kind of vote I should offer him, besides what it already was.
And to Goose, but there was a dead number. As I already said, it is necessary to read the events, and even if it could not be done at the vote, it was the whole night yesterday.

[Kara_Mel]

Of course knowing, that player X is not mafia - you can find reasoning to say not to suspect him. It's too straightforward, but still can be possible. It's common in classic.


And tell me - why did I offered new voting scheme to make day lynching possible without draws?

The question is not about that. It is one thing to consider something yourself - and another to extinguish a conflict.

You just don’t know that I offered the same thing, because I don’t think that my image allows me to voice such suggestions in the subject for the sake of peace points. Actually, I could offer this to the mafia, but the question is how it might look. In general, your move is not so significant for me as the first impression of a desire to participate in the questionnaire.

Conflicts are the source of info in good games. Someone has to support one, while the other - other side.  It's how I've always played.

For me it's rather different - firstly voting, then questionnaire, but it's your opinion.

[Uranium235]

And I have to add that if the murder was committed by Julik, then GameMaster could use only the player’s nickname (for the lack of everything else) to compile a clue on the murder. That's why all of these Julie and Juliette get so weighty and at the same time infuriate me)

It’s interesting who you considered him yesterday and the day before, if today Poppins (a possible option, in general, just too optimistic) is not suitable.

[Kara_Mel]

I'm going to sleep now. If you have any question to me - please make a list with numbering 1,2,3 etc. and write in bold To KaraMel. I'll reply when I'll wake up and deal with studies.