London, 2077

[Anony-mouse]

So I do not see any useful actions for Alice at this stage.

I mean useful redirection actions. Alice should have received information.

But I see.
Besides translation, she also has another action, checking the type of action. Who has a different type of action when he is a mafia and when not a mafia?
In general, you can not answer, it's just to think.

Yes, I have already added to the written. And yesterday I advised Alice to try to get information. Probably because of the fear that she would do this, the pastor was killed.

[Uranium235]

Now imagine the chances of the mafia, if anyone where it goes was known in advance?
I hope you remember this moment.

So far, I am waiting for a story from Caramel, where in her opinion the murders disappeared on those nights in which they were missing, based on descriptions in the newspaper. I won’t wait indefinitely, you can be punished for gross strategic mistakes right away, but I have a different style, I always give chances, suddenly an idiot, in which case I need to explain everything to an undeveloped idiot.

Yes, I have already added to the written. And yesterday I advised Alice to try to get information. Probably because of the fear that she would do this, the pastor was killed.

In fact, it was not worth doing it yesterday, but the day before yesterday. Also a blunder.
But as is obvious from his thoughts, he could not make a simple move, so now we are going the difficult way.

[Kara_Mel]

An absurd decision in terms of strategy.
After all, it is beneficial for the city to switch from state 3-1 to state 2-1, in which there is less chance of a mistake in the vote. To concentrate efforts when you really need to divide the eggs into different baskets is a gross mistake, the defeat for which will be completely fair.
Especially if you think about what the moves of other players will be before.

With such overall hostility towards me, my strategy is very good in my opinion. Maybe a certain man, let's call him Griffin wants to know why something didn't happen. It's easy to answer - first of all I have incorrectly given roles between Pastor and Griffin. And secondly, why did someone take something from Griffin in the first place? And thirdly - I have already answered.
And note, that you're the one who doesn't need any protection. You're the best ally-friend with Mouse, while playing against either me/Pastor as acceptable to Mouse as you're developed suspicions to the both of us. I hope that answers you questions.

[Anony-mouse]

In fact, it was not worth doing it yesterday, but the day before yesterday.

And at that moment I thought Alice was already dead. I still don’t understand why there were feathers and fragments of plastic katanas in Robin’s room. Only thanks to the prompts of other players did I realize that the “F” indicates a meme.

[Uranium235]

I have incorrectly given roles between Pastor and Griffin

Tell me why the Pastor did not want to vote Shiori?

And another factor rather says the opposite, the most important task is to convince me, because if I do not die, then I will decide, and my decision will be quite simple in one of the cases, so why not do it like that?

I am waiting for the story of where the murders happened each time they were missing. I made it.
This is the last attempt if the mission is failed this time.

And at that moment I thought Alice was already dead. I still don’t understand why there were feathers and fragments of plastic katanas in Robin’s room. Only thanks to the prompts of other players did I realize that the “F” indicates a meme.

Other players (Uranus).
But the point is that Shiori called this role to him, and the maniac knows the role of his victim (description of ability).
Just because of the survey, he could not realize it in the right way - that is, to pretend himself that he was a killed role.

Anony-mouse

, You also write where the murders failed on what nights, or what.
And then I’m interrogating Caramel, and you’re standing next to me, talk something too.

[Anony-mouse]

Kara_Mel

, about you my suspicions grew throughout the game. Although, due to some circumstances, I did not want to attack you, suggesting that everything could be explained by unfamiliarity with the format of the game. But, if you check your posts, you can see how almost everywhere you tried to apply the broadest possible interpretations, even where everything was completely clear. This is one of the characteristic features of mafiosi.

At the same time, on the contrary, I tried to narrow the choice of roles for each player to an absolute minimum, even at the cost of mistakes. But mistakes are not scary, if you are mistaken - theN other players correct you and all this is for the common good.

[Kara_Mel]

Kara_Mel

, about you my suspicions grew throughout the game. Although, due to some circumstances, I did not want to attack you, suggesting that everything could be explained by unfamiliarity with the format of the game. But, if you check your posts, you can see how almost everywhere you tried to apply the broadest possible interpretations, even where everything was completely clear. This is one of the characteristic features of mafiosi.

At the same time, on the contrary, I tried to narrow the choice of roles for each player to an absolute minimum, even at the cost of mistakes. But mistakes are not scary, if you are mistaken - theN other players correct you and all this is for the common good.

That sounds very good, but why are you not voting yet? You're hiding behind Uranius with your failed analysis and fake hint. Nice Mice!

I am waiting for the story of where the murders happened each time they were missing.

I don't get the idea of what kind of analysis you want to hear. Write using  transliteration, please 

[Uranium235]

I don't get the idea of what kind of analysis you want to hear. Write using  transliteration, please

On the first night there are no two killings - why? your options.
There are no two killings on the third night - why? your options.
Unsuccessful murder is a momentous event, it must be shown somewhere in the newspaper. Find this place if it exists.
And I'm still waiting for an answer why the Pastor did not vote Shiori. He had reasons?

[Sorry, I auto-corrected the translit I shouldn't have! Returning it back. – GM]

V pervuyu noch' net polozhennykh dvukh ubiystv - pochemu? vashi varianty.
V tret'yu noch' net polozhennykh dvukh ubiystv - pochemu? vashi varianty.
Neudachnoye ubiystvo - znakovoye sobytiye, ono dolzhno byt' gde-to pokazano v gazete. Naydite eto mesto, yesli ono sushchestvuyet.

[Kara_Mel]

I got what do you want, but I need some time to read a newspapers.

Pastor said, that he was late to change his vote.

This is only an assumption, but "Drink Me" should give Life action (e.g. kill, protection), so he must have thought of me as Poppins.

[Anony-mouse]

Anony-mouse, You also write where the murders failed on what nights, or what.

The first night was an attack on Julik / Oliver. Who attacked - I have no idea. At that time, the Falcon, which I consider to be Dr. Moreau, and also the Shiori, Todd, was active. Slightly more likely that Shiori attacked the silent man, that he was doing the whole game. It is likely that the mafiosi were stopped by a hack block, the multiplicity of which was mentioned in the newspapers.

The second night, two murders, as I understand it, it does not interest you.

Third night. The falcon came under modkill, plus an attack on the shiori. Actually ... if we assume that the mafiosi attacked the shiori, then it is possible that the mafiosi were murderers the first night, while the shiori was blocked. And with one night's pass, Shiori was blocked again.

Fourth night. A bunch of killings - skip.

Further, we no longer have Todd and no passes for killing.

Actually, I don’t see what else could be extracted from the newspaper.

[Kara_Mel]

Drink Me"

But I cannot say which night it was done. The trigger of his vote against me seems was mentioning "Sherlock or Orlando" in my analysis.

[Anony-mouse]

That sounds very good, but why are you not voting yet?

Any whim for your money, darling.

Kara_Mel

[Kara_Mel]

1st night
Julik1221 - survived on his on due to attack from ?

I can only guess - "morning's Scotland Yard report brings not a single case of homicide", that with that sentence was told about that killing attempt was not from the mafia. But why there was no even attempt - big question.

From the other side - "some health packs" - can say, that both of mafia and maniac were there. I like this version more.

3rd night. Shiori was attacked by the mafia, while Shiori himself could place C4 somewhere it not worked.

Can be a hint to it "The police forewarn tirelessly to avoid dubious establishments.".

[Uranium235]

The first night was an attack on Julik / Oliver. Who attacked - I have no idea. At that time, the Falcon, which I consider to be Dr. Moreau, and also the Shiori, Todd, was active. Slightly more likely that Shiori attacked the silent man, that he was doing the whole game. It is likely that the mafiosi were stopped by a hack block, the multiplicity of which was mentioned in the newspapers.

The second night, two murders, as I understand it, it does not interest you.

Third night. The falcon came under modkill, plus an attack on the shiori. Actually ... if we assume that the mafiosi attacked the shiori, then it is possible that the mafiosi were murderers the first night, while the shiori was blocked. And with one night's pass, Shiori was blocked again.

Fourth night. A bunch of killings - skip.

Further, we no longer have Todd and no passes for killing.

Actually, I don’t see what else could be extracted from the newspaper.

there would be a desire, you can extract more.
For me, the block + Kill Shior’s move at the moment when 1 maf is already killed, the other is inactive, and the third wants to leave the party is doubtful. Well, at least if he was blocked on the first night and Todd’s probability is high from the point of view of the mafia.
Moves have logic. I can believe if the first night the action is directed simply because. But then they already take into account the behavior in the topic and the results of last nights.
The logic is to spend moves on a probable maniac when you already have a bad situation regarding the city. And if the situation looks illogical, you probably didn’t take into account something than the system is chaotic.

1st night
Julik1221 - survived on his on due to attack from ?

I can only guess - "morning's Scotland Yard report brings not a single case of homicide", that with that sentence was told about that killing attempt was not from the mafia. But why there was no even attempt - big question.

From the other side - "some health packs" - can say, that both of mafia and maniac were there. I like this version more.

3rd night. Shiori was attacked by the mafia, while Shiori himself could place C4 somewhere it not worked.

Can be a hint to it "The police forewarn tirelessly to avoid dubious establishments.".

At the expense of S-4 version is not bad.
But Shiori’s refusal to vote sounds strange after the explicit death of Oliver in that case.

Could it be that the lack of murder on the first night is a block of the mafia or maniac?
And if so, who is more likely.

The dubious institution is still Alice’s bar, much more than anything else.

[Kara_Mel]

That sounds very good, but why are you not voting yet?

Any whim for your money, darling.

Kara_Mel

As expected from you, Mouse. But much-much earlier, than you did.

[Uranium235]

But there was no doublet, in which case Oliver would have lost 2 defenses at once, and he did not have one more left for the fourth night.

Pastor said, that he was late to change his vote.

This is not the point; he initially considered Shiori a city.
Therefore, confusing his role is extremely difficult. If you still managed to do it, then such a game is too horrible for the peaceful, but pleasant for the mafia.
What is needed is some reason for illogical conclusions and actions, and what could be better than not noticed?

[Anony-mouse]

there would be a desire, you can extract more.

Uranium, I know that you are an incredibly consistent, meticulous and analysis-inclined player. But, for heaven’s sake, you already have more than enough data to make a right decision. Or do you want to calculate the course of the entire game without waiting for the log from GM?

[Uranium235]

https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299535#msg1299535
After that, mix something up. Well, you're not a Pastor, so you know how to count and prioritize.

Uranium, I know that you are an incredibly consistent, meticulous and analysis-inclined player. But, for heaven’s sake, you already have more than enough data to make a right decision. Or do you want to calculate the course of the entire game without waiting for the log from GM?

I show the correct game, you need to give chances always, no matter how strong the confidence.
When I offered Messor a lynch, you did not support me both. Found some reason.
Now it became clear that he should be a mafia, why should I forget about this mistake?

[Kara_Mel]

Could it be that the lack of murder on the first night is a block of the mafia or maniac?

Yes, it could. Now that you said it - I see what I missed.

There is a blocker for the mafia, but it's unreasonable move => "Old foe : if checks Ms Marple" - "Big Brother : checks".  There no reason to block on the first day, but to search.
Orlando - could be anything, but self-healing is in the priority, I think. That what I would do, actually.
Griffin's Chifir is foolish action at the first turn, nope.

Christopher Robin left as a blocker, so seems it was his block. But who was blocked - it's hard to say. But I see no clue there. Let Shiori be blocked and this was mafia with cleanup, who shot Julik.

[Uranium235]

Yes, it could. Now that you said it - I see what I missed.

There is a blocker for the mafia, but it's unreasonable move => "Old foe : if checks Ms Marple" - "Big Brother : checks".  There no reason to block on the first day, but to search.
Orlando - could be anything, but self-healing is in the priority, I think. That what I would do, actually.
Griffin's Chifir is foolish action at the first turn, nope.

Christopher Robin left as a blocker, so seems it was his block. But who was blocked - it's hard to say. But I see no clue there. Let Shiori be blocked and this was mafia with cleanup, who shot Julik.

Depression and flash mob are written in one sentence. I think the first is Griffin's move, the second is Robin's move, and they have one goal.
I would like to read an alternative explanation, but still do not see it. And if they don’t argue with me, then I will gain a foothold in the thought that I understood the situation correctly.
Well, strictly speaking, it is not necessary to shoot Oliver, you can also get into Oliver’s target.
You said that successful treatment on the first night is unbelievable. But this is not entirely true, there are at least 2 (!) Treatments for different roles, and 2 murder attempts from different factions. The odds are not negligible, obviously.

[Anony-mouse]

https://mafiaforum.org/index.php?topic=896.msg1299535#msg1299535
After that, mix something up. Well, you're not a Pastor, so you know how to count and prioritize.

For a logically minded person, this should mean that either Alice transferred me and the shiori to the murdered one. Or she didn’t do either one or the other.

However, when dealing with a pastor, you should bear in mind that this may be just the impression of my statements “I'm not a maniac” and at the same time placing this emoji  . Plus, in general, “strange” behavior for which they tried to hang me almost every day.

[Uranium235]

It seems to me that we just played a damaged phone, I meant that on the site of Caramel, it is extremely difficult to confuse something with the role of the Pastor, if at least a minimal analysis is carried out. And choosing between a peaceful one who did not do analysis and a mafia that wants to show that it is so peaceful, I am inclined to choose the second.
For a player with some experience behind him so surely.

[Kara_Mel]

You said that successful treatment on the first night is unbelievable. But this is not entirely true, there are at least 2 (!) Treatments for different roles, and 2 murder attempts from different factions. The odds are not negligible, obviously.

We both know what we're speaking about.

That's why I have trouble with the rebuilding of past events based on such vague results.

"Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet."

If he was a target to be killed:
1) First of all, he is a random target - not one of those who had posts in the topic.
2) I cannot see why a silent person was protected in the first place when there are more active people who needed it for the first night.
3) As for now, I do not see any points, that emphasize that it was Mary or Todd's attempt. And they are in different teams.
4) Maybe it's showing even "survives X kills attempts" passive ability, then it could become more logical, than protecting some random guy by Sherlock.

2/15 is chance of "at least to healings" against 1/11 + 1/14 to have someone killed. Who would I protect on the first night? And what about flashmob? Why I'm sure about Mouse?

Old Guard : if visits Ms Marple or Biggles, gets acquainted with them.

It seems to me that we just played a damaged phone, I meant that on the site of Caramel, it is extremely difficult to confuse something with the role of the Pastor, if at least a minimal analysis is carried out. And choosing between a peaceful one who did not do analysis and a mafia that wants to show that it is so peaceful, I am inclined to choose the second.
For a player with some experience behind him so surely.

I said everything. Yes, I do have an experience, but with a fully different approach to games, so I'm playing based on it. It's harder to change the style, rather than playing from zero. All my "mistakes" are coming from there.

But at least I agree with Mouse. Time to finish it all.

[Anony-mouse]

Why I'm sure about Mouse?

Because you know my role?

Baby, if you are so eager to win that you use such dirty tricks as over-emotional font size, I leave the conversation. I don’t know what to talk about with such players.

[Uranium235]

Why finish right now?
You can still sort out the evidence. In the end, I can not count the response to the actions completely disastrous.
You know that the other mafia.
I have already described how the lead composes hints. I want this format of evidence. That is, the wiki page associated with someone’s profile - a hyperlink (several times) - is the final hint.

Baby, if you are so eager to win that you use such dirty tricks as over-emotional font size, I leave the conversation. I don’t know what to talk about with such players.

I assure you that you can hardly say something new to each other. Talk to me.

[Kara_Mel]

Why I'm sure about Mouse?

Because you know my role?

Baby, if you are so eager to win that you use such dirty tricks as over-emotional font size, I leave the conversation. I don’t know what to talk about with such players.

I'm a bit older to be "baby" for you. Big font is just a mean of pointing to some part of the quote and there are no rules against it.

[Kara_Mel]

I have already described how the lead composes hints. I want this format of evidence. That is, the wiki page associated with someone’s profile - a hyperlink (several times) - is the final hint.

And I have shown what I've found. I see nothing more.

[Anony-mouse]

Uranium, I don’t see what to talk about. I have already shown that in my opinion only Mary Poppins could survive. And you agreed that you have the same active players as mine. And in Caramel’s analysis, Hyde appeared from somewhere, despite the fact that only Poppins could remain there. That alone should be enough.

If for victory it is additionally required to suck all the details ten times, then I pass. By striving for victory, Kara_Mel will give me a hundred points ahead, as I can see from the techniques she used. I do not want to play for exhaustion.

If I offended anyone, I apologize to everyone.

[Uranium235]

No, Caramel techniques are terrible. For a city player, instead of following a simple path, inventing some incredibly tricky plan that turns against you, if you think for a little bit - well, this is easily proved from the side, I don’t see any difficulties for the Mouse here .

Well, I'm not a Pastor. How could you think that I would not use the obvious test of anyone, if I have one?
If such a crazy thought creeps into someone’s head, then all that needs to be done is to tell me your fear.

What you showed is hardly enough. This is not clear enough.

Well, why should I play because the headshot charge is saved until the sixth night. 2 activation passes, and 1 headshot was definitely spent on a goose, according to the description. Why not spend it yesterday, after all.
Why kill Caramel Mice? this move is absurd if it ends in success, because Alice distinguishes between Marple and not Marple.
In fact, I used to think that Alice translates differently.
That is, it can be assumed that a more logical goal is being killed - the Pastor, but the transfer leads to the next victim. Then the mega-strange solution becomes understandable.
Only in reality, it does not give anything.
The pastor was a more profitable victim in both cases.
In that case, I'm stupid here.

[Kara_Mel]

I'm not planning to convince you anymore. Enough!
You're seeing problems and mafia in my actions - vote against me.