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Now Pastor.

Liz minus in the process of discussing Sue's murder.


there's still a chance that the victim was a Scrooge. regarding to others role - I don't see anyone who related to business, exept Alice (don't think that London affairs get any worse after her death, it's just a bar, not serious business. or I may be mistaken?) and maybe Jeeves, cuz he served by the rich. so yeah, as you said, Scrooge more likely. or, at least, Orlando

Here only Orlando is effectively thrown out, in fact (and it’s not forbidden to cut off the neutral, as we recall).
On Alice and Jvisa (+ Orlando), cutoffs are weak, they can only be taken conditionally.

There are nothing else about mass hacks, so there I see only one option: Hyde checked someone and was not able to block and Christopher Robin missed the night, because he has only block and nothing more. Or maybe Falcon was Robin - I think there is no need to explain the reason why he could not act.
Throw out Robin.

More likely that's reference to Griffin just because of puer. Not sure about Scrooge, cuz I think it was Bratuxa and he is already dead. And Alice sells moonshine, so I guess it was about Griffin
Griffin

And in the same post under the spoiler - Sherlock.
Well and there - Beagle
about Putin — everything said above — there's no doubt that he was the winner of the elections cowboy

Then Robin is thrown out again.

I can also throw Marple. Do you know why? Yes, because the Pastor saw the Mouse post, and still did not vote on it. For the real Marple, no other evidence would be required, except to see a false autopsy.

Thus, if it approaches the question as broadly as possible, then the pastor’s peaceful roles are over. And given that the clipping is weak, and Oliver Julik is still to be accepted, then Alice and Jeeves remain.
Alice or not, one can try to understand by the way he will respond to the fact that the only real peaceful role for Shiori is Alice, if you do not invent very complex constructions - for a real Alice, suspicions should become extremely great.

On Alice and Jvisa (+ Orlando)
Alice, Jeevce (+Oliver)*
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    Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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    The Mafia and the maniac didn’t do so many murders so that such reasoning made sense.
    With the same success, this can be applied to you. A chain of modkills for inactivity knocked down the natural order of mortality when the most peaceful come out first.

    To a certain degree - yes, sure. But only with a note, that I am a newbie here, like the rest of newcomers, while you are not.
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      The pastor hid, Shiori finally fell into a lethargic dream, Kara_mel does not demonstrate urban behavior.

      Perhaps now the most obvious city dweller is Uranium. Uranium, I think I will vote the same as you.
      This time I'm not doing very well with clues, so I will bet on the city dweller.

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        I'm afraid of what? Lose an educational game? There is no concept of losing in a training game, my dear. I'm just trying to understand whether you are still a stubborn citizen or whether you belong to the mafia.

        Given that at the end of today we will lose two players (if Invicta is not hanged), the game will go into an endgame with four players. If Invicta is a city, then voting against another citizen is equal to a city loss. Therefore, I am careful and do not understand why you are so careless if you are a city dweller.

        Oh, I'm far away from being careless, and I want to win, no matter you call it  "an educational game". If you think, that my vote is strange, well - no, it's not. I want to see how you're planning to drag yourself out of this situation (if you're the town). Your analysis had 3 points:
        1. Direct saying, that you're Marple. Don't care even if you just gave a hint - it's like writing "I'm Marple";
        2. InVictA -  Poppins is a foolish saying. It cannot be true;
        3. Uranium235 is Todd - like a direct proposal to hang him now, as the last mafia is inactive. Ha-ha-ha, now you're saying, that you'll vote the same as Uranium.


        In the worst-case scenario - the finale will be with only 2 players, and it can be both mafia and maniac. Do you really planed to hang Invictia?! He'll be kicked out anyway. And you're calling my behaviour not pro-town.


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          The mouse himself said everything, it was possible to conduct similar analytics on it, I wanted to do it yesterday, but it’s not required. So let's go Caramel.

          Цитировать
          Ebenezer scrooge
          jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx
          Orlando - from a certain point of view
          Christopher Robin - also from a certain point of view
          Reginald jeeves
          Liz bennet
          So, LIZ Bennet to ask herself is very pro way of playing, so discarding her role - 2 possible roles for him if he is the town and answered the truth.

          First weak clipping. Whether Caramel was Robin or Jeeves, her suspicions of Shiori would have been much stronger after speculation. that for 5 role options he has 2 cities, one of which belongs to her own.
          Well, the very reasoning for the survey does not look Liz's opinion - but there is nothing new.

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          To spend protection on an inactive player - is the most reckless decision I've heard. There are around 7 active players who could have used this protection, while this Julik is just an actionless dummy and his life means nothing right now.
          Since I still think it is likely that this is about Oliver, Jeeves could not say so.
          I think, in the aggregate of this and the fact that the above Jeeves is definitely minus.

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          I have no idea about cowboys - do not know what they are saying, but - "dozens of cups" can be a reference to one of the Griffin the Invisible, Alice “Smol Bean” Liddel and Ebenezer Scrooge.
          Passing Alice and Griffin

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          03. Putin mod.2 - Biggles, if trust statements about cowboys
          We pass Beagle, Liz left earlier, but there is still confirmation.

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          02. Dmixn - Marple
          minus marple

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          05. l10ha -? - Sherlock or Orlando
          minus sherlock and orlando (with the condition, but it is, as before, almost a fact).

          In summary, only the weak Oliver and Robin remained peaceful roles. And I did not see the explicit dispute of the assumption for Oliver yesterday, which I should have expected from the real Oliver, so I can afford to remove it too (I can still challenge it, of course).

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            Uranium, I'll just warn you with one thing - when there are 2 roles in my analysis - it doesn't mean, that doubt. Sometimes it was written that way by me on purpose.
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              The pastor hid, Shiori finally fell into a lethargic dream, Kara_mel does not demonstrate urban behavior.

              Perhaps now the most obvious city dweller is Uranium. Uranium, I think I will vote the same as you.
              This time I'm not doing very well with clues, so I will bet on the city dweller.

              It is certainly nice to hear, but you need 3 votes, in any case, and a minimum of 4 to kick someone out.
              I am waiting for new conclusions from you regarding who may be the mafia.
              Well, the comments on my analytics of the three players, of course, too.
              No matter how absurd the conclusion that Marple beats someone there, a frock coat is really available. Of course, I am inclined to the version that a night club is a Marple move, which was left only for you and Invicta. But even accepting this as the truth, I can’t assert your peacefulness now, without commenting on the departed players in such a way that 2 active players could be a mafia and a Tod.


              Uranium, I'll just warn you with one thing - when there are 2 roles in my analysis - it doesn't mean, that doubt. Sometimes it was written that way by me on purpose.
              Strong statement.
              Okay, do you agree with my version of Oliver?
              Do you allow Shiori to be a city?
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                Alice and Griffin from the city remained. Now you can study the survey again.
                Doesn’t know those who shoot - not always true.
                Both have neither protection nor weapons - not always true.
                So, a lie should be on the third question. If stalking people is an opportunity to check, then there is no lie (= true) only for Alice.

                The problem with protection still remains, because in Alice's case it is external. Either Sherlock was alive (by the way, it’s completely impossible to throw him out by the way, according to a survey with a lie on a weapon, he is suitable, he can be suitable for protection, if you imagine that for some reason Shiori needed to treat an inactive), or something marginal.

                I am waiting for corrections in reasoning. It is difficult to refute Oliver in the form of Julik, the description about it is surprising that it worked perfectly for him. And that means you have to have Sherlock alive on the third night to save Shiori-Alice. Or Shiori Todd. There are two basic options left.

                Alice has protection, even considering the fact that it could turns against her. And Alice can know someone with homicidal tendensions if she uses Rabbit Hole. Griffin's knowledge about homicidal tendensions is very doubtful. Not sure he has protection as Alice (she can save herself with her second skill) only external. Or if he is lucky and offers some tea to his possible killer, but chances is low, and I'm not sure that he considering this possible way. Stalking people can considering as offers to tea to someone (regarding to Griffin's description too) then

                It has nothing to do with my role. As Invictia was absent during the night - he is not the one, who ordered kill. He can be Hyde, if there are 2 mafia in the game, but that does not matter as he will be kicked out.

                InVictA is definitely not Hyde. If you analyze 3rd/4th newspaper you'll find absolutely nothing about Hyde's inactivity;

                at newspaper still mentioned multiply hacks. Today hacks much decreased and it was mentioned too. So don't you think that Jekyll is alive and probably Robin is dead?
                Invicta was offline since 17th april, but number of hacks decreased only after SamPie's and Goose's deaths. It was decreased, not disappeared

                Simply, if Hyde / Sokol did not come to you, then you must admit that as a mafia it would be very difficult for me to make guesses about you.

                That's already hard to you, regarding to the fact that you marked Kara_Mel as Robin, who is already dead

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                  Alice has protection, even considering the fact that it could turns against her. And Alice can know someone with homicidal tendensions if she uses Rabbit Hole. Griffin's knowledge about homicidal tendensions is very doubtful. Not sure he has protection as Alice (she can save herself with her second skill) only external. Or if he is lucky and offers some tea to his possible killer, but chances is low, and I'm not sure that he considering this possible way. Stalking people can considering as offers to tea to someone (regarding to Griffin's description too) then
                  I do not understand now what it was.
                  The question was asked before the result of the first night, there could still be no information from the actions, only those that have a start.
                  And what do you mean when you say that Alice has protection? A quote from the roles file, please, to get around the language barrier as reliably as possible.

                  And in any case, the questions suggest the facts that are described in the roles, and not speculation as it would be possible, if you guess something there, apply the action. Under there is protection, only a phrase can survive (survives death at night or the like).

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                    Okay, do you agree with my version of Oliver?
                    I can agree with assuming Julik was Oliver.

                    Do you allow Shiori to be a city?
                    Well, perhaps, he can be.
                    He was a target to kill.
                    If he was protected by Sherlock - it's unclear who he is.
                    Todd has 2 protections, so it can be the case and it almost fits the interview, but 3rd question is unclear.
                    Poppins too has one protection, but interview contradicts with it.
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                      Well, perhaps, he can be.
                      He was a target to kill.
                      If he was protected by Sherlock - it's unclear who he is.
                      Todd has 2 protections, so it can be the case and it almost fits the interview, but 3rd question is unclear.
                      Poppins too has one protection, but interview contradicts with it.
                      If it is possible, do you agree that an analysis of his exceptions does not allow us to come up with anything but Alice in that case?

                      I can agree with assuming Julik was Oliver.
                      If we consider that this is true, then which of those killed in theory could be Jeeves? All options.
                      My option is Putin-Mod, if you have a different vision, I would like to know him.
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                        Оффлайн Anony-mouse

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                        If we talk about Shiori, I must say that initially having made a positive impression, he subsequently showed ever decreasing activity, and his conclusions became increasingly superficial and sloppy. Which casts a very big doubt on my interpretation of his interview. Problems of a damaged phone when questions were first stylized and then translated. In terms of behavior, he is rather Todd, playing in a very relaxed manner. Todd is not too concerned that the townspeople will vote against him at the moment.



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                          And what do you mean when you say that Alice has protection? A quote from the roles file, please, to get around the language barrier as reliably as possible.

                          >1. Rabbit Hole: redirects the target’s action to the next living player in the list.

                          "– Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?" means not only protection, but block, (Alice's action is block, so yeah, she can protect herself. And Griffin's action is offer, not block) and if here's a chance that she can block somebody, then it may be considered as >stand-up-for-yourself.
                          And in any case, the questions suggest the facts that are described in the roles, and not speculation as it would be possible, if you guess something there, apply the action. Under there is protection, only a phrase can survive (survives death at night or the like).

                          If "Rabbit Hole" can works anyway (if only Alice would not be in block) Griffin's tea means player's accept to it, not sure if someone would take such risks. So that means that Griffin's actions is, as you said "speculation as it would be possible", and Alice actions are a fact.

                          To me Shiori is Griffin now, I explained why above. And cuz of fact that Shiori was a victim. Mouse's behavior is suspicious, considering his previous fact mistakes and behavior few days ago. He is rather maniac, because it's in his interests: stay close to city and hang the mafia, and then kill the rest of survivalists. He stays aside and denies that he fears to lose, pretends he has nothing to lose.


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                            o me Shiori is Griffin now, I explained why above. And cuz of fact that Shiori was a victim. Mouse's behavior is suspicious, considering his previous fact mistakes and behavior few days ago. He is rather maniac, because it's in his interests: stay close to city and hang the mafia, and then kill the rest of survivalists. He stays aside and denies that he fears to lose, pretends he has nothing to lose.
                            You speak Shiori city, Mouse maniac.
                            Who is the mafia? I think that Caramel, but suddenly there are some suspicions against me, we can disperse now or admit that there is nothing to say against me, and there are no options left besides the city.

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                              "– Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?" means not only protection, but block, (Alice's action is block, so yeah, she can protect herself. And Griffin's action is offer, not block) and if here's a chance that she can block somebody, then it may be considered as >stand-up-for-yourself.

                              No no no. It does not matter what kind of experience a journalist has, but nobody asks questions that can be interpreted SO widespread. I strongly doubt that the Game Master would not point out to the player the possible consequences, even if the player tried to ask such a question.



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                                The version of the survey with the burrow as a way of protection is openly doubtful for me.
                                Such interpretations for questions are uncharacteristic, I have already said this. A journalist requests a formal attribute that is easy to see in roles. Status, the presence of a particular type of action or the number of passive abilities. Calculated by a simple search, in other words, without reasoning about the unusual uses of something.

                                  Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                                  If it is possible, do you agree that an analysis of his exceptions does not allow us to come up with anything but Alice in that case?
                                  If to trust his quotes - yes. Other way Robin is a fine option too.

                                  If we consider that this is true, then which of those killed in theory could be Jeeves? All options.
                                  My option is Putin-Mod, if you have a different vision, I would like to know him.
                                  No, not Putin mod. SamPie maybe, hard to tell, but Buddhist poetry is not commoners readings. Jeeves knew much about high society.
                                  I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
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                                    By the way, Pastor, do you repeat all 3 questions again? Your interpretation.
                                    It seemed to me that you could have made a logical mistake now, it is important to dissuade me, until you are sure of it.

                                      Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                                      Who is the mafia? I think that Caramel
                                      And that's exactly why I've decided not to change my vote to Julik to support you, which had to be killed anyway, but made my position shattered with voting against Putin. Don't you think, that it's too blunt move for a mafia?
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                                        No, not Putin mod. SamPie maybe, hard to tell, but Buddhist poetry is not commoners readings. Jeeves knew much about high society.

                                        Buddist poetry is a hint to killer.

                                        and, to much surprise, a little book full of Buddhist poetry (with all the verses about samsara marked)

                                        and, to much surprise - these words are added to highlight evidence.


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                                          And that's exactly why I've decided not to change my vote to Julik to support you, which had to be killed anyway, but made my position shattered with voting against Putin. Don't you think, that it's too blunt move for a mafia?
                                          I evaluate the position of the Pastor now, this is not my conclusion.

                                          And how do you put Shiori Robin if he directly called SamPai a possible Chris (= Christopher Robin)?

                                          No, not Putin mod. SamPie maybe, hard to tell, but Buddhist poetry is not commoners readings. Jeeves knew much about high society.
                                          Buddhist readings are not a hint of a role.
                                          This is evidence on a maniac.
                                          If you read the explanations on how to study the newspaper, then the evidence is surprising, out of place, while the usual environment indicates the role of the victim.
                                          Reread again the edited version of the newspaper (this point has been fixed).
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                                            And how do you put Shiori Robin if he directly called SamPai a possible Chris (= Christopher Robin)?
                                            I see tactic, where someone can intentionally cross his role out and wait for someone to take it. I don't know if it's applicable here, but I saw such things.
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                                              If we talk about Shiori, I must say that initially having made a positive impression, he subsequently showed ever decreasing activity, and his conclusions became increasingly superficial and sloppy.
                                              Yes, because I was overloaded by masses of text in topic. Sorry for this.

                                              I can try to write my vision about current players and roles, but can not discuss much.
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                                                And finally, Caramel, do you agree that the Pastor is now carrying some rubbish, evaluating the Shiori poll as possible for Griffin?

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                                                  Buddhist readings are not a hint of a role.
                                                  This is evidence on a maniac.
                                                  If you read the explanations on how to study the newspaper, then the evidence is surprising, out of place, while the usual environment indicates the role of the victim.
                                                  Reread again the edited version of the newspaper (this point has been fixed).

                                                  Yup, my bad. Then I do not have any other reasoning for now. If I'll have something - I'll mention, but now I have nothing, but to agree.
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                                                    I see tactic, where someone can intentionally cross his role out and wait for someone to take it. I don't know if it's applicable here, but I saw such things.
                                                    It seems to me that you are now openly pulling up non-existent opportunities. Yes, and a survey for Robin is difficult to sum up, he has neither protection, nor weapons, nor knowledge of the mafia. That is a lie to the third question, so formulate it first.
                                                    We will return as Pastor. Do you see peaceful roles for him?
                                                    He certainly suspects the Mouse, but he did NOT vote on him yesterday, that is, Marple was expelled.
                                                    What is left?
                                                    He dodges so as not to consider Shiori Alice and not suspect.
                                                    You think everything is in order?

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                                                      And finally, Caramel, do you agree that the Pastor is now carrying some rubbish, evaluating the Shiori poll as possible for Griffin?

                                                      I don't think, that Shiori can be Griffin.
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                                                      I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams

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                                                        Yup, my bad. Then I do not have any other reasoning for now. If I'll have something - I'll mention, but now I have nothing, but to agree.
                                                        What exactly will agree?
                                                        I made quite a few statements, now it is not clear which one you eventually supported.
                                                        For example, the inability to put Jeeves dead may mean that he is alive, that’s all.

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                                                          Who is the mafia? I think that Caramel, but suddenly there are some suspicions against me, we can disperse now or admit that there is nothing to say against me, and there are no options left besides the city.
                                                          Well, it's hard to choose between you and Cara, because of your activity and analysis of each player. Analyzing each player is a good move to avoid attention from yourself. But since my lil suspects Cara's behavior became strange, and now she answers with simple statements. About you I have nothing to say, because your statements don't change and behavior too. (And this damn autotranslator...) Maybe it's because of your big experience in mafia, but i don't know.

                                                          By the way, Pastor, do you repeat all 3 questions again? Your interpretation.
                                                          For now I see another picture of all this
                                                          I reread my interpretation and... Well, if you said that questions should not include range of possibilites.... In my first interpretation first question sounds like "Are you mafia??" but pretty veiled. And if this question implies this, then he lied on third one.
                                                          >He is unarmed
                                                          If we can't consider Alice's and Griffin's actions how protection, then that's right
                                                          >is it mean that he doesn't visit someone or he doesn't check?
                                                          After this I more preferred with Cara's statement about visits, if we include offers into stalking (as visits), then he lied. Cannot have any information about homicidal tendentions, has no protection but he is stalking ppl. I'm confused a bit now, maybe there's some mistake, but I see this situation like this rn


                                                          I don't think, that Shiori can be Griffin.

                                                          Then explain why.
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                                                            • Oh no, there you go, making me a liar!
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                                                            Yup, my bad. Then I do not have any other reasoning for now. If I'll have something - I'll mention, but now I have nothing, but to agree.
                                                            What exactly will agree?
                                                            I made quite a few statements, now it is not clear which one you eventually supported.
                                                            For example, the inability to put Jeeves dead may mean that he is alive, that’s all.

                                                            Oh, I see Putin as a Biggles, actually. I have nothing to say, that he is more likely alive, or some hint was interpreted incorrectly.



                                                            Then explain why.
                                                            If he is Grififn, then:
                                                            1st question is true answer;
                                                            2nd question - he has theanine, which is item.
                                                            3rd - he offers/visits.

                                                            It's coming out as 2 lies, when only 1 is possible.

                                                            and now she answers with simple statements
                                                            But of course, I have time during a daytime to write big poems. No, I don't have. I freed yesterday evening for that, but no one was here. Oh, wait. You were but in a different topic.
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                                                            I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
                                                            I'll be the actress starring in your bad dreams