London, 2077

[pastor chivay]

Now I understand what GM meant when he said that the night was epic

Well, I have some thoughts about interview!

It is said that the player must give 2 true answers and 1 false answer. Let's suppose that Shiori gave a false answer to the first question. So, he is not stalking people (but what means by "stalking"? is it mean that he doesn't visit someone or he doesn't check? I don't get it, if you have some thoughts - correct me) and he is unarmed.
>Do you know anyone who has already given way to his or her homicidal tendencies?
If I understood this question properly, it may be about getting to know mafia. So, if Shori lied, he is probably know someone from mafia and he must be one of them.
And, I guess, if Shiori gave a false answer to the second and the third question - probably he is red... But i may be mistaken, so if you have something to add - do this

[Kara_Mel]

– Do you know anyone who has already given way to his or her homicidal tendencies?

Well, this question is double-edged. On the one hand, it could be interpreted as Pastor said. On the other - there is e.g. the ability of "if checks Hyde, learns about it." from Miss Marple, which can also be used to answer the question. Though it was the first night, so the possibility of the second action in almost 0.

– Do you have any gizmos to stand up for yourself?

Gizmo is a synonym for a gadget is it not? So it covers not all weapons mentioned in the roles.

– Are you keen on stalking people?

Stalking = visit? If yes - the question is way too general as almost each and every role can visit someone. But "keen on" is a point here. Only one role is "keen on" visiting someone - Oliver Twist (must protect some other player from a kill attempt at the cost of his own life).

[l10ha]

I sure that mafia and Todd went to all sorts of people. if everyone wanted to visit the jullik(?)7, he'd be dead for sure anyway.

[Anony-mouse]

Failed kill due to treatment (?).
Also likely a failed kill due to the block. Or maniac Todd is off.
Numerous hacks. Hyde + Christopher Robin + Orlando + Darjeeling filed to one of the three?

Plus an interview ...

Gizmo, I think, mean weapons, any weapons. There is no need to do a survey about just one type of weapon.

I think "stalking" mean Data(Night Action) -Cleanup(Poppins), Big Brother*(J/H), Yahoo!*(Marple), Arms collector*(Biggles), Solicitude(Jeeves), Drink Me(Liddell), Turing test(Bennet) . But not sure about it.

[l10ha]

Results have surprised me - no victims, that's rare. I have never played with such a way of presenting information about a day, but I'll try to interpret them somehow.

Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet.

Is this a hint to a murderer or a victim? As I see there is only one hint, though. Maniac, or mafia, or both visited the same person?

Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered.

Looks like a hint on a couple of night action, cannot say for sure whose. jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx maybe as he is a hacker of some sort.

+ There is an interview to be thought about.

I think you are hiding something. you said, that you were surprised no one did. were you sure that you shot was going to kill person?

[Kara_Mel]

Results have surprised me - no victims, that's rare. I have never played with such a way of presenting information about a day, but I'll try to interpret them somehow.

Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet.

Is this a hint to a murderer or a victim? As I see there is only one hint, though. Maniac, or mafia, or both visited the same person?

Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered.

Looks like a hint on a couple of night action, cannot say for sure whose. jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx maybe as he is a hacker of some sort.

+ There is an interview to be thought about.

I think you are hiding something. you said, that you were surprised no one did. were you sure that you shot was going to kill person?

Based on my experience - it's quite rare result with 2 possible shots and 15 players in the game to have no one killed. It's like to meet a velociraptor on the street dancing rumba.

[l10ha]

Results have surprised me - no victims, that's rare. I have never played with such a way of presenting information about a day, but I'll try to interpret them somehow.

Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet.

Is this a hint to a murderer or a victim? As I see there is only one hint, though. Maniac, or mafia, or both visited the same person?

Numerous instances of smart home system hacks have been discovered.

Looks like a hint on a couple of night action, cannot say for sure whose. jekyll001 / xXxhydexXx maybe as he is a hacker of some sort.

+ There is an interview to be thought about.

I think you are hiding something. you said, that you were surprised no one did. were you sure that you shot was going to kill person?

Based on my experience - it's quite rare result with 2 possible shots and 15 players in the game to have no one killed. It's like to meet a velociraptor on the street dancing rumba.

HHHMMMMM may be I agree with you or no

[pastor chivay]

Failed kill due to treatment (?).
Also likely a failed kill due to the block. Or maniac Todd is off.
Numerous hacks. Hyde + Christopher Robin + Orlando + Darjeeling filed to one of the three?

You're right. "Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet." sends us to Sherlock who probably was cure Julik. Regarding to blocks - you should include Chifir which blocks player for night&day too

[Kara_Mel]

Failed kill due to treatment (?).
Also likely a failed kill due to the block. Or maniac Todd is off.
Numerous hacks. Hyde + Christopher Robin + Orlando + Darjeeling filed to one of the three?

You're right. "Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet." sends us to Sherlock who probably was cure Julik. Regarding to blocks - you should include Chifir which blocks player for night&day too

Besides Sherlock, there is Ebenezer Scrooge who also can protect someone from being killed (2. Hard cash: protects the target from 1 kill. Can bribe in hard cash twice.). Chances of that are not big, but an opportunity exists.

[Anony-mouse]

pastor chivay

,I did not include the chifir in my calculation, since it does not belong to hacks - the newspaper spoke of numerous hacks.
We have two Internet blocker in cast. Plus a specialist in mimicry. Plus Darjeeling, able to increase the number of hacks by one.
You think correctly, but missed the nuance that the newspaper does not say about blocks in general, but about hacks.

Chifir is a rather radical action to perform on the first night)

[pastor chivay]

Besides Sherlock, there is Ebenezer Scrooge who also can protect someone from being killed (2. Hard cash: protects the target from 1 kill. Can bribe in hard cash twice.). Chances of that are not big, but an opportunity exists.

We have two Internet blocker in cast.

if Scrooge saved Julik, then the salvation was from Todd and not from Mary. As we know the mafia can consult their decisions with each other and this would be a silly decision to protect the one your ally decided to attack. it would be logical to propose that Mary's action was blocked by one of the hackers, as Anony-mouse said


+or by Orlando

[l10ha]

Besides Sherlock, there is Ebenezer Scrooge who also can protect someone from being killed (2. Hard cash: protects the target from 1 kill. Can bribe in hard cash twice.). Chances of that are not big, but an opportunity exists.

We have two Internet blocker in cast.

if Scrooge saved Julik, then the salvation was from Todd and not from Mary. As we know the mafia can consult their decisions with each other and this would be a silly decision to protect the one your ally decided to attack. it would be logical to propose that Mary's action was blocked by one of the hackers, as Anony-mouse said


+or by Orlando
Todd doesnt cooperate with mafia

[Kara_Mel]

That's why I have trouble with the rebuilding of past events based on such vague results.

"Our good fellow Londoner, Julik1221, had to use some health packs to get back on her feet."

If he was a target to be killed:
1) First of all, he is a random target - not one of those who had posts in the topic.
2) I cannot see why a silent person was protected in the first place when there are more active people who needed it for the first night.
3) As for now, I do not see any points, that emphasize that it was Mary or Todd's attempt. And they are in different teams.
4) Maybe it's showing even "survives X kills attempts" passive ability, then it could become more logical, than protecting some random guy by Sherlock.

[Anony-mouse]

1) First of all, he is a random target - not one of those who had posts in the topic.
2) I cannot see why a silent person was protected in the first place when there are more active people who needed it for the first night.
3) As for now, I do not see any points, that emphasize that it was Mary or Todd's attempt. And they are in different teams.
4) Maybe it's showing even "survives X kills attempts" passive ability, then it could become more logical, than protecting some random guy by Sherlock.

Kara_Mel

, you see, a significant part of the players who recently appeared on the forum have some familiarity in real life. Although they were encouraged to use ... ahem ... anonymity, not everyone followed the advice.
So, the “random target” may not be completely random.

And I mean the possible nonrandomness of both murder and treatment.

[shiori]

1. How you can be abbreviated to call, and what name you do not like.
2. Experience playing the mafia, real or forum.
3. Preferred playing style if you think you have one.
4. What do you consider (by experience or intuitively) a sign of a peaceful player, and what is a sign of a negative player.
5. How well have you read the roles and rules?
6. Any other information that you deem necessary to add to the welcome.

1. Shi / Щи or Ши usually
2. Experienced player & gamemaster
3. Now I am capable only to play in relaxed style
4. I do not like inconsistency & text overflow
5. Mindfully perhaps
6. I am listening some nice trance with Miku Hatsune voice right now ~~ Enjoy, if you could

[Kara_Mel]

1) First of all, he is a random target - not one of those who had posts in the topic.
2) I cannot see why a silent person was protected in the first place when there are more active people who needed it for the first night.
3) As for now, I do not see any points, that emphasize that it was Mary or Todd's attempt. And they are in different teams.
4) Maybe it's showing even "survives X kills attempts" passive ability, then it could become more logical, than protecting some random guy by Sherlock.

Kara_Mel

, you see, a significant part of the players who recently appeared on the forum have some familiarity in real life. Although they were encouraged to use ... ahem ... anonymity, not everyone followed the advice.
So, the “random target” may not be completely random.

And I mean the possible nonrandomness of both murder and treatment.

So, do you mean, that this silent Julik1221 is liked and hated by somebody in your group, so it's not a just mere coincidence? I heard, that life is a cruel mistress, but it should have some limitations.

If you are so well informed, I hope you do not mind getting rid of this information failure and fill others (e.g. me, who is grown-up and has no idea about anyone's background) about the relationships in a majority of the players if the game based on someone's personal likings, rather then an objective reality.

As I told - from my point of view - such target by Sherlock is random. By Scrooge - no if it's a mafia player. By either mafia/maniac there is a reason for such kill, but not for protection, that's for sure.

[Game Master]

I've decided to stop Day 1 at 12:00 PM Monday / 00:00 AM Tuesday.
You have about 30 hours to reach a decision.
It might be changed later, but it's doubtful.

Now I'm trying to stir some offliners up a bit. Seems to be a nontrivial task though.

[Anony-mouse]

Kara_Mel

, I don’t think I should go into details. I also doubt my right to do so. The game master can probably say more in PM, if you interested in this matter.
I just pointed out the option that you missed, but which, nevertheless, must be taken into account.

Among other things, you also did not take into account that the victim himself may turn out to be Sherlock. Self-medication is not so rare.

p.s.
Not so many players can be seen in the topic, uh?

[Kara_Mel]

Among other things, you also did not take into account that the victim himself may turn out to be Sherlock. Self-medication is not so rare.

Yes, it's a common thing to use self-protection, and I thought about that matter, but

Overhaul: offers the target a cure from all kill attempts during this night. If successful, learns the target (or targets) of the patient's action.

The highlighted part is important and self-protection ruining it, so it is doubtful that such an important ability will be wasted by a player who didn't write anything even to heal himself. No profit at all.

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Y'know, I don't like this at all. At first, you say that target may not be random, but when I asked for concrete reasons - you just backed off. If you told that - you should have suspicions, right? So name them. At this exact point I'm not interested in GM's opinion, but yours.

It's not nice way of doing things.

[Drusha]

So, Today s night is really very good - nobody has dead! But Firstly, to my mind, we should have logical conclusion from Liz questions. How everybody know there are 1 false and 2 truly answers. So lets look on it. If Shiori has false answer in question number 1, that could not be because of some things. Gismo it is not only a gadget it is like thing too! So every mafia member exept hacker has gismo to protect her/himself. Maniac has gismo to protect himself too. So about question number 2. If this question is false, he could not be mafia too because the question number one is true. About question number 3 have said before me.

[Uranium235]

I said that I know the answer to almost all questions by roles?
Forget, I don’t know exactly what exactly, except for the interview, causes the nick to appear in the newspaper.

Highlights: No killings. At least 1 attempt. An incomprehensible (but important) episode with the nickname of Julik, I will not argue that he is the result of the heals.
Descriptions are very insidious. There is every reason to wait for the complication of the newspaper, if all the townspeople remain alive - such is the artificial balance.
It is not visible to anyone acquaintance. Interview in place.

[Uranium235]

I can also say that probably Doctor Moreau the Artie was not able to apply voice doubling, even if I used it.
Why do I think so?
You need 8 votes to do it.
I must clarify, the requirement of 50% + 1 is tied to the number of votes, not players. If the addition of voice had been applied and other voice deprivations had not been applied (Orlando or Chifir). And both are unlikely, manipulating your voice when you have such a large selection of actions is illogical. Well, and as noted above, it is illogical to use Chifir on the first night, there is too little information and the risk of killing the city is too high. And finally, it’s more profitable to look for Sherlock than not to look.
Thus, the fact that 8 votes and not 9 is required for execution says that there are 14 or 15 of them in the game.
I am not claiming anything now, this is just an assumption:
some bloodshed may be the result of intimidation Julik.
Of course, there are no prohibitions on intimidating the mafia, especially if you know that in the newspaper it will be displayed in this way.
Well, and remember that I can be wrong now, I have no evidence.

[InVictA]

It's like to meet a velociraptor on the street dancing rumba.

Sorry, but i can't stop laughing 

[Uranium235]

As for the apparent lack of killings.
Well, I wouldn’t exactly dump what Todd slept tonight or missed for another reason. Which of course does not cancel out any other reason for his failure. A pass is not a likely move usually, but seeing activity yesterday, I definitely can’t reset it, although I would think about a pass last but not least.

Where is the allusion to the second kill (I don’t have to wait for the pass from the mafia, at least someone was there) I still think.
For instance,
Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark; this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity.

1. Meme: makes a funny meme of the target, blocking them for the night due to a sick burn they have to deal with.
It may be it, although not necessarily, but a similarity is felt.
But why several, doubling the action? Or the Hide block is just woven here too.

[Anony-mouse]

Y'know, I don't like this at all. At first, you say that target may not be random, but when I asked for concrete reasons - you just backed off. If you told that - you should have suspicions, right? So name them. At this exact point I'm not interested in GM's opinion, but yours.

It's not nice way of doing things.

Well, I'm just a mice guy, so I do things in a mice way. With all due respect, I said only what I could and had the right to say. I have grown up enough to resist pressure attempts.

The highlighted part is important and self-protection ruining it, so it is doubtful that such an important ability will be wasted by a player who didn't write anything even to heal himself. No profit at all.

But also said - self comes first. The player may consider that survival and the chance to form an city's group are more important than a small chance of receiving information.

About interview.
Shiori is an experienced player. So one could try to apply a deeper analysis. To consider not only the roles who he could be. And also consider how good his answer is for each possible role.
Although his status as a "retiree" may indicate that he was not looking for the best options. And an attempt at a deeper analysis using English somewhat exceeds my current capabilities. First of all, it would take a lot of time.

[l10ha]

Y'know, I don't like this at all. At first, you say that target may not be random, but when I asked for concrete reasons - you just backed off. If you told that - you should have suspicions, right? So name them. At this exact point I'm not interested in GM's opinion, but yours.

It's not nice way of doing things.

Well, I'm just a mice guy, so I do things in a mice way. With all due respect, I said only what I could and had the right to say. I have grown up enough to resist pressure attempts.

The highlighted part is important and self-protection ruining it, so it is doubtful that such an important ability will be wasted by a player who didn't write anything even to heal himself. No profit at all.

But also said - self comes first. The player may consider that survival and the chance to form an city's group are more important than a small chance of receiving information.

About interview.
Shiori is an experienced player. So one could try to apply a deeper analysis. To consider not only the roles who he could be. And also consider how good his answer is for each possible role.
Although his status as a "retiree" may indicate that he was not looking for the best options. And an attempt at a deeper analysis using English somewhat exceeds my current capabilities. First of all, it would take a lot of time.

it's better to keep quiet and say nothing if u can't say more

As for the apparent lack of killings.
Well, I wouldn’t exactly dump what Todd slept tonight or missed for another reason. Which of course does not cancel out any other reason for his failure. A pass is not a likely move usually, but seeing activity yesterday, I definitely can’t reset it, although I would think about a pass last but not least.

Where is the allusion to the second kill (I don’t have to wait for the pass from the mafia, at least someone was there) I still think.
For instance,
Several urbanites' depression levels hit the all-time low mark; this strange new “hip” social-distancing flashmob is gaining popularity.

1. Meme: makes a funny meme of the target, blocking them for the night due to a sick burn they have to deal with.
It may be it, although not necessarily, but a similarity is felt.
But why several, doubling the action? Or the Hide block is just woven here too.

everything is so strange. do we still to hang someone?

[Uranium235]

Unsuccessful attempts are important information, they must be displayed!

I increasingly believe that I'm right with bullying because GM had to divert attention from the real reason for the failure of the murder. And tell me what it is, if not a block, if you can. Because in that case there will be a hint. Slime, inconspicuous.

All sorts of decay that our cybersecurity are not something, now in a complex newspaper it would be considered that the assassination would be described as an attack.
In fact, where I see the block (s), Alice may well be.
Active partaker of London’s counterculture movement.

everything is so strange. do we still to hang someone?

We analyze the events of the night in the first place.
Every peaceful one has a fragment of truth, because almost every analysis will be at least a little true. Will remain folded.
Yes, it’s difficult, but you still try to say what happened at night, or at least criticize or confirm my opinion.
I intentionally do not touch on the interview, but I’m trying to evaluate the rest without any discounts, and it’s so difficult.

[l10ha]

Unsuccessful attempts are important information, they must be displayed!

I increasingly believe that I'm right with bullying because GM had to divert attention from the real reason for the failure of the murder. And tell me what it is, if not a block, if you can. Because in that case there will be a hint. Slime, inconspicuous.

All sorts of decay that our cybersecurity are not something, now in a complex newspaper it would be considered that the assassination would be described as an attack.
In fact, where I see the block (s), Alice may well be.
Active partaker of London’s counterculture movement.

everything is so strange. do we still to hang someone?

We analyze the events of the night in the first place.
Every peaceful one has a fragment of truth, because almost every analysis will be at least a little true. Will remain folded.
Yes, it’s difficult, but you still try to say what happened at night, or at least criticize or confirm my opinion.
I intentionally do not touch on the interview, but I’m trying to evaluate the rest without any discounts, and it’s so difficult.

what are the odds of a player being rescued by accident or saving himself?

[Anony-mouse]

everything is so strange. do we still to hang someone?

Well, there is no "no-lynch day". Can't say it is good, but so said in FAQ

General notes
- The game starts in full capacity from Night 1. No "no-kill nights", no "no-lynch days", no "let's be friends week", no nothing. Ultraviolence right off the bat.

Game master, can we hung Mr. Nobody?

[pastor chivay]

I cannot see why a silent person was protected in the first place when there are more active people who needed it for the first night.

Here I agree with Kara. It is unlikely that someone wants to defend quiet player.

In fact, where I see the block (s), Alice may well be.

Maybe Alice blocked the killers, but what's the thing: "Rabbit Hole: redirects the target’s action to the next living player in the list." The previous player in the list was Bratuxa777, so I don't get why they want to kill him, because there's no difference between both of them.
It most likely that Julik has self-protection, I guess

everything is so strange. do we still to hang someone?

There are not a lot of information we can talk about. All we have now is some hints and Shi's interview, so we can keep discuss around that. And other's participarts still not visited this thread, it's seems like we have to wait