London, 2077

[l10ha]

Sorry, I was knocked out of the game, I can not get together
I vote for the man, I was a peaceful role and I apologize for such a bad game. Alas alas alas

Uran

can you explain why you made such a decision?

[pastor chivay]

Sorry, I was knocked out of the game, I can not get together
I vote for the man, I was a peaceful role and I apologize for such a bad game. Alas alas alas

Uran

The day is over, and so is the vote. Why do you vote for the person who accused you? It doesn't change anything

Sorry, I was knocked out of the game, I can not get together
I vote for the man, I was a peaceful role and I apologize for such a bad game. Alas alas alas

Uran

can you explain why you made such a decision?

you're mindthief, did you know that??

[Anony-mouse]

Mouse, why don’t you support?

Firstly, I did not believe that the current activity of the players would make it possible to execute even the fruit of the marriage of Hitler and Satan.
Secondly, if the execution suddenly turned out to be potentially possible on the first day, then I would strongly suspect that the mafiosi are controlling the voting.

Although I must say that, in general, hanging Falcon would not sadden me too much.

[Uranium235]

such a bad game

He himself admitted.
And why, then, is the suspicion unjustified?

[Uranium235]

Secondly, if the execution suddenly turned out to be potentially possible on the first day, then I would strongly suspect that the mafiosi are controlling the voting.

What is this control expressed in?

In any case, the mafia has an influence on the day, because there are 4 of their voices and one manipulation of voting.

Now tell me in which scenarios you see a decrease in this influence, and in which increase.

This I suggest that the more peaceful voices go to anyone, the less likely they are to kick out the mafia, in principle, because while peaceful players can afford to play passively without suspects, the mafia can also do this and not attract attention.
I could understand the value of leaving everyone in a situation where the city discusses the events of the night and accumulates information and suspicions without a vote. Now this is not there, it means the chances of losing are extremely high, but there remains a small option that you can win if you guess the mafia among the offers and collect all the possible votes there, as long as they exist.

And, I would also like you to give an assessment to my assumption that from the mafia the voice of anyone expected is even greater than the absence of a vote at all.

[Anony-mouse]

Uranium235

,
Yes, the mafia always has the opportunity to influence the voting process. But there is not always reason to suspect the presence of this influence. The results of the interview, a significant solution to the proposed hint, suspicious behavior, apparent inconsistency of actions, mismatch of the player’s behavior and experience, and so on... The more such things accumulate, the stronger the position of the prosecution.  However, on the first day, in the absence of murders and sensational interviews, the grounds for hanging are lightweight in principle, imho.

If I understand correctly, then you think that is possible to calculate the mafia based on the votes cast by the players, no matter how little justification they have?
If there is at least some experience in playing the mafia for the vast majority of players, this tactic is probably workable. But I doubt that it works with a large number of newcomers. An inexperienced person will either refrain from accusations, or will follow the lead of the players who are sympathetic to him / impress him.

Could you rephrase the last statement. I do not understand this. It should be too late for me.

[Uranium235]

Could you rephrase the last statement. I do not understand this. It should be too late for me.

My experience says that the mafia will vote in nobody rather than miss the vote.
Of course, this does not mean mandatory voting for any maf. But this means that this probability becomes, than just the probability of being a mafa for a random player.
So, speak out why you do not agree with this assumption.

You again miss the point that you are responsible for your actions, not for the actions of others.
If you think the tactics are good, then you need to play from them yourself. In addition to personal experience, there is still the ability to adopt other people's behavior. Now think about who you are borrowing from and what exactly you would like to borrow from you.

Joint voting with those who are pleasant is a victory strategy available to everyone. And to determine which of the "sympathizers" is actually black who wants to persuade you to their side is already the next level, which also has to be reached quickly.

[Anony-mouse]

My experience says that the mafia will vote in nobody rather than miss the vote.

So, speak out why you do not agree with this assumption.

I can not agree or disagree with your experience. I can’t dispute this, but I can’t act according to this either. Because it is your experience.
My experience says that experienced players vote much more often than miss the procedure. However, we see that Falcon and Shiori did not vote. Do they lose their experience because of this?

If you think the tactics are good, then you need to play from them yourself. In addition to personal experience, there is still the ability to adopt other people's behavior.

It's possible I'm still in a rebellious phase, you know. I'm starting to get tired of the dialogue. I must remind you that I am not the most inexperienced player in the game and should not focus all the mentoring power on me alone.

[Uranium235]

Our townspeople are sleeping. Well, write at least something. I can’t do anything if I don’t have leads.

If you think this is a theater, then let it go. But you are actors in it, not spectators.

[Uranium235]

Do they lose their experience because of this?

Put forward your version of events, why it happened.
I think that for things like a pass it’s supposed to be explained. Messor, at the very least, explained that he was just sleeping, Shiori was still waiting.
I do not try to come up with explanations for them; I prefer to try to create something from the existing one.

I do not like this dialogue - so start another.
I have already received a key answer - my assumptions do not suit you. I can’t bring peace out of it. Yes, it’s not a question, I’m just for telling your method. If he is just waiting, then you can say what exactly you are waiting for.

[Uranium235]

Mouse, you know what the difficulty is.
While not everyone writes, I can search for peace only in part of the players. Help me see her in you.

Well, or at least share how you see the path to the victory of the city. I see that it is necessary to postulate that in some active players there are no more than one mafia - because if there are more, we will still lose later.
Challenge the statement or agree with it.

[Falcon hunting]

And remind me why they started voting for me?

[Uranium235]

I still goose and caramel reconcile.
It will be much easier if you can not write your plan.
It will become much easier to say - this mafia, do not swear among yourself, do not be like him.

I haven’t done this yet because I’m not sure that they are 2 peaceful. But I guess what will have to be done, since otherwise the defeat will be inevitable, and at least there will be some ghostly chances.

And remind me why they started voting for me?

Because I said so.
And I said that because you have zero colors for the week of the game called, which somehow does not attract peaceful Messor.
But if I missed something, it’s not too late to dissuade me. In general, it was possible yesterday, but you didn’t come.

[Falcon hunting]

I clearly said
There were no killings for only two reasons. Either the maf and the maniac shot at each other, or fell into personal defense. So why am I merging, Uranus? Explain why? Isn't it clear that I'm urban?

[Uranium235]

I clearly said
There were no killings for only two reasons. Either the maf and the maniac shot at each other, or fell into personal defense. So why am I merging, Uranus? Explain why? Isn't it clear that I'm urban?

No, it’s not clear.
Explain how their what you said it follows that you are urban.
Enter the missing links in the chain of reasoning, otherwise I don’t see a connection.

[Uranium235]

Messor, half of the pool in a coma.
Do you want to be peaceful? Play the classics, alternative methods in this situation will not help, no matter how good they may be.
Too complicated newspaper, and too little information from players on it. Get frostmorn, other methods will not work here.
(this is a joke, do not look for a lot of meaning here).

[Falcon hunting]

To think with your head and understand all the subtleties of a hint? - no, not for me. I’m Uranus and you must understand me.
Trying to squeeze information from players who are in the subject? "No, not for me." I am Uranius, and I will stick a stick to an inactive player, because it is easiest to push and hang!
Play with newbies and let them choose who to vote for and have their own opinion? "No, not for me, I am Uranus, and I only impose my own, the only correct opinion." I'm great and you beginners should listen to me

Messor, half of the pool in a coma.
Do you want to be peaceful? Play the classics, alternative methods in this situation will not help, no matter how good they may be.
Too complicated newspaper, and too little information from players on it. Get frostmorn, other methods will not work here.
(this is a joke, do not look for a lot of meaning here).

Do you want to laugh?
Among Uranium, Shiori and Messor there is one exact Maf, and two are definitely peaceful. We exclude Messor from the role of a maf and you remain together with him and one of you is an exact maf
You know why?
Will you answer?

[Uranium235]

No, I don’t know why. This you said, you explain.
By the way, Shiori had a journalist, you can comment on questions and answers.
Well, in any case, if suddenly I assume I accept your logic, then I will exclude myself, tell me why or so it is obvious?

[Falcon hunting]

No, I don’t know why. This you said, you explain.
By the way, Shiori had a journalist, you can comment on questions and answers.
Well, in any case, if suddenly I assume I accept your logic, then I will exclude myself, tell me why or so it is obvious?

Mahahahahahah! Of course, of course, my friend, this is obvious. So even any of the people present here understood this, and maybe you, too, simply pretended to be good.
And everything is quite simple, the mafia team cannot be completely new, this would complicate their game. In any case, they should have a mentor and this is someone from Uranus and Shiori.
Do you understand?

[Uranium235]

You decide what right now you want to show me. What is shiori mafia?
Well, take advantage of Liz’s action (I’m not saying that to think why he became the target, because to think of such things).
If you are trying to prove something else, then tell what and to whom, otherwise I am missing something.

[Falcon hunting]

Not really. I just told you the obvious thing, and if you use this theory, then most likely you will be a mafia than Shiori. The reason is quite simple: you wanted to hang the player in the easiest way, namely to hang while he is inactive. Only the most despicable mafas can do this and this is an ideal option to play with beginners - they will eat it

[Uranium235]

Once again, I propose to show how I should have acted. Well, or how to act peacefully.
Ignore this offer before the kit, please, it will greatly simplify my life.
"He criticized, but was not able to offer a different path. And more than once."

[Falcon hunting]

The night will show

[Uranium235]

"He criticized, but was not able to offer a different path. And more than once."

Goose and Caramel, if they kill me, at least try not to swear. It is like a will.

[Kara_Mel]

Oh my, such a heated discussion.

My experience says that the mafia will vote in nobody rather than miss the vote.

In my point of view - voting in nobody is hiding of position (so-called lying in wait). I strongly distrust those who don't state their own opinion and supply it by the vote. The opinion could be wrong, of course - but what is really matters - is its presence.

It's possible I'm still in a rebellious phase, you know. I'm starting to get tired of the dialogue. I must remind you that I am not the most inexperienced player in the game and should not focus all the mentoring power on me alone.

If you're not "the most inexperienced player", then you should have some goals. So what do you pursue by intentionally failing to provide info with your vote?

I still goose and caramel reconcile.
It will be much easier if you can not write your plan.
It will become much easier to say - this mafia, do not swear among yourself, do not be like him.

I haven’t done this yet because I’m not sure that they are 2 peaceful. But I guess what will have to be done, since otherwise the defeat will be inevitable, and at least there will be some ghostly chances.

I did not fully understand this part of your sentence. Are you trying to tell me, that a person with no own reasoning and tons of messages with little meaning in it is to be considered red and played along with? I don't get it. Nope. Unless you have some inner info on Goose.


Falcon is like a vampire - appears and active only during the night. I thought, that among 3 experienced players could be mafia, but in the end I came out to see Falcon more sly due to his change in playstyle. Now he is active. It's bugging me.

Goose and Caramel, if they kill me, at least try not to swear. It is like a will.

So you DO have some info about Goose, huh? I'll take that into account then.

[l10ha]

Oh my, such a heated discussion.

My experience says that the mafia will vote in nobody rather than miss the vote.

In my point of view - voting in nobody is hiding of position (so-called lying in wait). I strongly distrust those who don't state their own opinion and supply it by the vote. The opinion could be wrong, of course - but what is really matters - is its presence.

It's possible I'm still in a rebellious phase, you know. I'm starting to get tired of the dialogue. I must remind you that I am not the most inexperienced player in the game and should not focus all the mentoring power on me alone.

If you're not "the most inexperienced player", then you should have some goals. So what do you pursue by intentionally failing to provide info with your vote?

I still goose and caramel reconcile.
It will be much easier if you can not write your plan.
It will become much easier to say - this mafia, do not swear among yourself, do not be like him.

I haven’t done this yet because I’m not sure that they are 2 peaceful. But I guess what will have to be done, since otherwise the defeat will be inevitable, and at least there will be some ghostly chances.

I did not fully understand this part of your sentence. Are you trying to tell me, that a person with no own reasoning and tons of messages with little meaning in it is to be considered red and played along with? I don't get it. Nope. Unless you have some inner info on Goose.


Falcon is like a vampire - appears and active only during the night. I thought, that among 3 experienced players could be mafia, but in the end I came out to see Falcon more sly due to his change in playstyle. Now he is active. It's bugging me.

Goose and Caramel, if they kill me, at least try not to swear. It is like a will.

So you DO have some info about Goose, huh? I'll take that into account then.

Uranium says we shouldn’t fight, and you’re turning everything in my direction. You’re really hiding something! If I die tonight, I know who will be responsible for the festivities where the goose will be the main course

[Kara_Mel]

Uranium says we shouldn’t fight, and you’re turning everything in my direction. You’re really hiding something! If I die tonight, I know who will be responsible for the festivities where the goose will be the main course

Do not misunderstand me - I have heard what Uranium has said. But that doesn't mean, that I have to listen to him, as I have my own opinion. His words are only words, so I don't plan to change my opinion based on not facts, but an opinion of the most active player.

However, I'll raise down my hostility to you for now.

[Anony-mouse]

If you're not "the most inexperienced player", then you should have some goals.

Yeah, as far as I remember, the main goal of the game is to have fun. Will I be allowed?

[Kara_Mel]

Yeah, as far as I remember, the main goal of the game is to have fun. Will I be allowed?

You're not even trying to say, that you're playing for the town or somehow to provide an explanation for your playing style. Either you are not peaceful or ruining the play for the others - to have fun there is another topic with Goose sacraments, etc. To have fun in rules means only for "not to be disappointed with the results no matter what they will be", but not to deliberately playing like this.

[Anony-mouse]

You're not even trying to say, that you're playing for the town or somehow to provide an explanation for your playing style.

Well, I play for the townspeople, and not only that, I myself am a proud townsman. Have I become more of a citizen because I shared this secret?
 
I do not like to vote without a higher degree of conviction than what I have now. It is what it is. It is a fact. If someone’s game is crashing, maybe it’s worth looking for more reliable methods of the game?
Different people have different points of view on how a citizen should behave. And from my point of view, your approach is far from perfect.