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, A voice without arguments is not accepted anyway, so tell me.

    Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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    I really am not sure and said that.
    It’s too bold for the maf to call you and me black — after all, we now have confidence to execute the objectionable only for these words.
    But this did not stop me from voting either in support or in the alternative version, because the voice can be changed.

    Then I have no idea why you're not voting. Even this question a drama-like, I got no idea then why you asked it in the first place. Perhaps it was rhetorical.

    dursha


    The rise of inactive, huh. No reason = no vote. And it's actually the first coming of Julik into the topic.

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      Well. The choice today is to hang or not predominantly silent player because of a hypothesis that there are around two bandits within the list — Drusha, Putin, InVictA, SamPie, Dmixn, Julik. Hard to choose from them, but the words of Drusha are unconvincing. Do not see any reasons from him about why he must be alive. Also Caramel-chan and Chivay /despite my initial version against him/ look like positives for me now. The most powerful town weapon is the consolidated voices. So I am in.

      ака Куронэк :: [Maschera] :: Los Cafeteros :: My Little Mokocchi :: Я тебя убью. А торт, кстати, уже съели. :: Мэнхэра-тян :: ⛩ / c♯

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        Ok! You are making a great mistake but your sureness that i am mafia is so strong that you could not hear the voice of mind. So ok. For some reasons i would say my perhaps last analise of situation - Kara mel perhaps has a bad role. Because of her actions during the day like blaming me and another players witout any arguements exept "he is bad because he is too silent" I am said that i perhaps some unconcentraited but you Kara mel has blamed Uranium too have you...   The arguments of type of writing is [bull] because everyone has his own type of writing... So because of it and desires to hang up by vanga method i think that she is mafia. About another players - To my mind shiori is not mafia because of his answers on questions of LIZ. Uranium could be a mafia too because of much of stranges between him and Kara mel but i am not sure.  l10ha - perhaps he is a mafia too because of his stranges - he wants to hang up every silent player too. This is only a hypotiz from vanga method but... So if city is so want to hang up me - go on. But before voting you should think - are riskies too high? Could i be only innconet who become a victim of agressive active players? So that is all that i could say. Perhaps this analise will help city perhaps not, but i invoke everyone - please think only by your heads, your minds. The innocents could win only if everyone would not be manipulated by someone. Agressive vangas are include in this title.

        So about Anninymouse. He is really strange. After two nights we could not be inactive wait-man. So Perhaps he is a mafia and he is trying to keep thi situation... Stability. He could  have a maniac role and i am but i am not sure at all to vote him. I would like to see his answer on this message to continue my analise.
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          So i have decided. To my mind the situation of Karamel and Uranium is strange but i will left it on your conscidence. But anonymouse to my mind is too evidence. Uranium has said about him a bit more but Mouse is wanting to stability. Stability is a good way to kill. Because of one - in this situation you could be in waiting position and one by one kill players that are against your plans in night. So my vote is going to
          Annonimous
          .

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            Оффлайн Anony-mouse

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            Curiously, we managed to wait for votes from three silent players out of five. And two of them are against Drusha. Who would rather be incriminated with a small familiarity with the mafia game, but not familiarity with the mafia players.

            Hmm ... The situation is even more fun. Will we see a new sudden vote on me, or is Drusha’s attempt the last effort of a townsman to save him?
            I’m not so much Orlando to be completely indifferent to my own hanging, so I’ll most likely also vote against Drusha. Since even if I were inclined to make a sacrifice for the sake of a more valuable role, I have no idea about the role of the Drusha.

            And we still have two hours left for a possible change in the plot of the Saturday drama.
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              Оффлайн Uranium235

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              , But didn’t you think that Caramel and I didn’t really look like Mice’s partners, she strongly suspects him, I’ll say that I don’t see any obvious peacefulness, and is he gaining some points only because of relative activity compared to others?

              And if you read me more carefully, you could notice that I have no confidence in your address, I did not vote against it and in general there are certain difficulties in building a team with you. But for some reason you decided to discuss these points only now, a couple of hours before the end of the execution, when there is no time to convince many.
              But that is me. Whose voices against Anonymus would you like to receive?

              I would like to see his answer on this message to continue my analise.
              And tell me, why is the fact that you waited only 15 minutes for an answer, why did you decide that at that time convenient for you, the Mouse will be able to answer?
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                Оффлайн Uranium235

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                In general, the current voting process makes it difficult to form a team with Dryusha.
                From everyone except Anonymous, those who vote in it are interesting to listen to who exactly you see him with, if you think the mafia.

                If that, this does not mean that the team has become impossible.

                Voting to another mafia is not something unbelievable. But the story of who exactly voted in their mafia is even more fascinating than just the story of who remained a possible mafia along with Dryusha.

                I'm afraid I won’t be surprised at all if the answers to these questions are not received by the end of the day.
                And that kills all the work that I could do to benefit from any outcome of the vote.
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                  Оффлайн Uranium235

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                  I believe that Dmksin, whoever he is, will be Todd’s goal tonight if Todd has any business with the game (and he is not Todd himself). At least in this matter, you can risk one night. It is he, in view of the greatest minimum of information (although of course the list of possibilities is wider).
                  But you can choose among other offline players so that Dryusha stays - because there is already information about him - we know who is ready to vote against him. This is a little more than nothing.

                  Now I see that driving out Dryusha suits quite a few. If we assume that he is truly a mafia, then there remains a limited circle of those with whom he can be, but at the same time, these players can be a mafia in a larger number of rosters, therefore it is more correct to choose another candidate.
                  But of course, the time frame is such that the story of this fact, as it seems to me, gives nothing.
                  But if you think about it a bit, I describe a mistake made today so that the city does not make it tomorrow. We must vote fast enough to be able to analyze this process.
                  And bearing in mind that the rule of early hanging is in effect, if 50% + of the votes are cast against, it is impossible to vote thoughtlessly.
                  It should be noted that today I am going to vote against such and such, and then discuss these preliminary conclusions.
                  I hope you saw it now (and one peace hang-up to understand this mistake the city can afford anyway).
                  But there is hardly an opportunity for two.



                  For example, now 6 players vote against, which gives plus or minus 6 votes (not exactly, deprivation of the vote or doubling of the vote is possible. And the vote without explanation may not be accepted). It is possible and likely that the seventh vote will be decisive.
                  Do you understand the danger?
                  It’s not enough in such a situation to understand that the vote is peaceful. The mafia will have the opportunity to give the last vote and provide early voting in any case.
                  Now this problem is not acute, but it may be so tomorrow.
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                    Оффлайн Anony-mouse

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                    It seems that this is where the day ends. I’m not so motivated to wait until the last minutes to see if someone will organize an attack against me or not. It is likely that the mafia would be satisfied with both possible outcomes.

                    Drusha, my apologies.


                    My motivation is simple - This town ain't big enough for the both of us(нere the master of the game will probably burst into a satanic laugh). Bolivar cannot carry double.

                      Оффлайн Uranium235

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                      Well, that no one writes to me.
                      I begin to doubt that anyone other than Caramel and Mouse read me, because questions usually arise about reading.
                      As several teachers said at once, if there are no questions after the lesson, it means either everything is clear or nothing is clear, but in no exam I was able to confirm the first case.

                        Оффлайн Anony-mouse

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                        , the subtleties of the game in your presentation lose a lot in the process of machine translation. I myself am trying to make my text less verbose and more understandable.

                          Оффлайн Uranium235

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                          That is why the lack of questions surprises even more.

                            Оффлайн Uranium235

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                            Since it’s obvious that Dryusha is already leaving, I don’t need to vote against him either (otherwise, if there was a risk of a different outcome, I would most likely support the likely peace).
                            Of course, I will not miss the vote, I will indicate the position.
                            SamPie


                            Based on the worst that we have 4 mafia left, he is the most likely candidate who can be with almost anyone, including Dryusha.
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                              Ok! You are making a great mistake but your sureness that i am mafia is so strong that you could not hear the voice of mind. So ok. For some reasons i would say my perhaps last analise of situation - Kara mel perhaps has a bad role. Because of her actions during the day like blaming me and another players witout any arguements exept "he is bad because he is too silent" I am said that i perhaps some unconcentraited but you Kara mel has blamed Uranium too have you...   The arguments of type of writing is [bull] because everyone has his own type of writing... So because of it and desires to hang up by vanga method i think that she is mafia. About another players - To my mind shiori is not mafia because of his answers on questions of LIZ. Uranium could be a mafia too because of much of stranges between him and Kara mel but i am not sure.  l10ha - perhaps he is a mafia too because of his stranges - he wants to hang up every silent player too. This is only a hypotiz from vanga method but... So if city is so want to hang up me - go on. But before voting you should think - are riskies too high? Could i be only innconet who become a victim of agressive active players? So that is all that i could say. Perhaps this analise will help city perhaps not, but i invoke everyone - please think only by your heads, your minds. The innocents could win only if everyone would not be manipulated by someone. Agressive vangas are include in this title.

                              So about Anninymouse. He is really strange. After two nights we could not be inactive wait-man. So Perhaps he is a mafia and he is trying to keep thi situation... Stability. He could  have a maniac role and i am but i am not sure at all to vote him. I would like to see his answer on this message to continue my analise.

                              For example, I know that caramel is a mafia or a maniac. choosing between you and her I will hang you. I'm too lazy to explain why, but I think you understand


                                Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                                "he is bad because he is too silent"

                                Before any compliances from your side, please understand, that it's hard to play against silent players as you just don't have any info to work with.
                                The argument was to lure out a silent player into a discussion. You bit it too well and in the end, provided a pile of incorrect arguments. I'm still pretty sure, that you are mafia with such game style, but  if you're not - what is your aid to the cause?

                                And bearing in mind that the rule of early hanging is in effect, if 50% + of the votes are cast against, it is impossible to vote thoughtlessly.

                                Please explain. As the rules for voting are:
                                Execution demands a simple majority vote. When the day ends, the player with the most votes is lynched. If more than one player gets the same number of votes, the player who gained the number first if lynched. If the majority abstains, the day ends without execution.


                                For example, I know that caramel is a mafia or a maniac. choosing between you and her I will hang you. I'm too lazy to explain why, but I think you understand

                                Just a nice piece of advice. If you know, that I am mafia, you should do everything to lynch me.
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                                  Оффлайн l10ha

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                                  It seems that this is where the day ends. I’m not so motivated to wait until the last minutes to see if someone will organize an attack against me or not. It is likely that the mafia would be satisfied with both possible outcomes.

                                  Drusha, my apologies.


                                  My motivation is simple - This town ain't big enough for the both of us(нere the master of the game will probably burst into a satanic laugh). Bolivar cannot carry double.

                                  the mafia can't kill itself if you know what I mean :flush:



                                  "he is bad because he is too silent"

                                  Before any compliances from your side, please understand, that it's hard to play against silent players as you just don't have any info to work with.
                                  The argument was to lure out a silent player into a discussion. You bit it too well and in the end, provided a pile of incorrect arguments. I'm still pretty sure, that you are mafia with such game style, but  if you're not - what is your aid to the cause?

                                  And bearing in mind that the rule of early hanging is in effect, if 50% + of the votes are cast against, it is impossible to vote thoughtlessly.

                                  Please explain. As the rules for voting are:
                                  Execution demands a simple majority vote. When the day ends, the player with the most votes is lynched. If more than one player gets the same number of votes, the player who gained the number first if lynched. If the majority abstains, the day ends without execution.


                                  For example, I know that caramel is a mafia or a maniac. choosing between you and her I will hang you. I'm too lazy to explain why, but I think you understand

                                  Just a nice piece of advice. If you know, that I am mafia, you should do everything to lynch me.
                                  if I knew that you were a mafia, I would try to prove it. or now I have few facts to do this

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                                    Curiously, we managed to wait for votes from three silent players out of five. And two of them are against Drusha.
                                    There are various options. Drusha can be the citizen and silencers can be bandits. And this is the bad play. Or they can be citizens too and anyway this is the bad play. Drusha can be bandit and silencers can be too. And theirs vote is for self-defense. But the more likely option — Drusha is bandit and silencers are citizens.

                                    For me the most interesting part in players' interactions now is the Caramel-chan vs Anon engagement. They apparently are not from one team.
                                    ака Куронэк :: [Maschera] :: Los Cafeteros :: My Little Mokocchi :: Я тебя убью. А торт, кстати, уже съели. :: Мэнхэра-тян :: ⛩ / c♯

                                    Betrayer..2 Last Hero..1 Win..10 Ind Win..3 Kills..31 GM..8 Player..56 Killed..26 Executed..14 Alive..12 Freezed..3 Town..26 Mafia..18 Maniac..3 Cult..5 Neutral..6 Team..4 Include..102

                                      Оффлайн Drusha

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                                      Curiously, we managed to wait for votes from three silent players out of five. And two of them are against Drusha.
                                      There are various options. Drusha can be the citizen and silencers can be bandits. And this is the bad play. Or they can be citizens too and anyway this is the bad play. Drusha can be bandit and silencers can be too. And theirs vote is for self-defense. But the more likely option — Drusha is bandit and silencers are citizens.

                                      For me the most interesting part in players' interactions now is the Caramel-chan vs Anon engagement. They apparently are not from one team.


                                      Curiously, we managed to wait for votes from three silent players out of five. And two of them are against Drusha.
                                      There are various options. Drusha can be the citizen and silencers can be bandits. And this is the bad play. Or they can be citizens too and anyway this is the bad play. Drusha can be bandit and silencers can be too. And theirs vote is for self-defense. But the more likely option — Drusha is bandit and silencers are citizens.

                                      For me the most interesting part in players' interactions now is the Caramel-chan vs Anon engagement. They apparently are not from one team.
                                      You are terrible mistaken, Shiori and other "citizens" Now you will have - 1 citizen player who could cover up the match. So, my apologies for everyone who trust that i am not a mafia but because of the reason - "agressive vangas attack" I would be likely hanged up. So, Innocents please be more careful. Not trust vangas... They are a certain mountebank, perhaps they are innocent, but to my mind somebody of them are mafia. Kara mel? Lha? Somebody either? Now it is your resosibility - win them and finally said who was mafia and who was innocent. I have peaceful role because of it you have mistaken. Please analise more and do vanga-cosplay less. Because you have not psyonic skills ;)

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                                        Оффлайн Anony-mouse

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                                        , the city is often mistaken - this is the very nature of this fraction. You were also mistaken - I had absolutely no interest in voting against you, but I had to.

                                          Оффлайн Drusha

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                                          , the city is often mistaken - this is the very nature of this fraction. You were also mistaken - I had absolutely no interest in voting against you, but I had to.
                                          I had given the advice to everyone - think by yourself heads. It is the main for mafia game and innocent vicrory in it. I had said about misatake if nobody hear me - ok, but with post effects of this decision you will be cope only with yourself heads without my analise. I hope that it will help innocents win but with remaining number of players the victory is more and more incredible.
                                          Творческая сучность... Сущность!

                                            Оффлайн pastor chivay

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                                            I have peaceful role because of it you have mistaken. Please analise more and do vanga-cosplay less. Because you have not psyonic skills ;)

                                            If players always believe those who said that he is not mafia, nobody would ever hanged and city would lose anyway.
                                            at the end of the game all find out if they were wrong or not, but for now trust you who said that he is definitely not mafia is almost like tying a noose around neck


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                                            Day 2 Vote Results

                                            (5): l10ha, Kara_Mel, pastor chivay, Putin mod.2, shiori, Anony-mouse
                                              (2): InVictA, Drusha
                                              (1): Uranium235

                                            No vote (4): , , ,

                                            ...But everything's changed when Drusha took the stage! “BLOOOOOOOD!”, the Judge was shrieking dreadfully. The hands of one of the gentlemen were laid on Drusha's throat, while the other pushed, applying some force, the chainsword deep into his chest. As his eyesight failed, Drusha saw the two gentlemen cheek by cheek, close in front of his face, watching the result. “Like a meat bag!” he said, it was as if the shame of it should outlive him.

                                            Night 3 starts. Please, send me your orders. Deadline SUN 8 PM. 24 hours left.
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                                              Оффлайн Kara_Mel

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                                              ...But everything's changed when Drusha took the stage! “BLOOOOOOOD!”, the Judge was shrieking dreadfully. The hands of one of the gentlemen were laid on Drusha's throat, while the other pushed, applying some force, the chainsword deep into his chest. As his eyesight failed, Drusha saw the two gentlemen cheek by cheek, close in front of his face, watching the result. “Like a meat bag!” he said, it was as if the shame of it should outlive him.

                                              Very brief - the first impression, didn't go into details.

                                              Blood - could be a reference to Sweeney, considering the hypothesis, that Bratuha was killed by him and there was blood.
                                              Chainsword - I thought about "vast collection of medieval weaponry", but chainsword is rather a modern weapon. Biggles has some weapon relation. Sweeney too, as his arms are weapons.
                                              A meat bag - means human, so to cyborgs or anyone else.

                                              A meat bag - means human, so to cyborgs or anyone else.

                                              Correction. -> so no cyborgs or anyone else mechanical.
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                                                Оффлайн pastor chivay

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                                                Very brief - the first impression, didn't go into details.

                                                Blood - could be a reference to Sweeney, considering the hypothesis, that Bratuha was killed by him and there was blood.
                                                Chainsword - I thought about "vast collection of medieval weaponry", but chainsword is rather a modern weapon. Biggles has some weapon relation. Sweeney too, as his arms are weapons.
                                                A meat bag - means human, so to cyborgs or anyone else.

                                                If blood really was a reference to Sweeney, it can means that Todd is active, or at least the one who voted for Drusha's hanging. Even if inactive, there's only one and it's Putin.mod2
                                                Not really sure, but in addition to your analysis, the phrase after "Like a meat bag!"  -
                                                it was as if the shame of it should outlive him.
                                                most likely this phrase refers to the one who was blamed too as Drusha

                                                  Оффлайн shiori

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                                                  I had given the advice to everyone - think by yourself heads.
                                                  Of course. I see Cara-chan's and Anon's reasonable thoughts about papers and overall situation. And nothing from you. What should I do? The answer is obvious.
                                                  ака Куронэк :: [Maschera] :: Los Cafeteros :: My Little Mokocchi :: Я тебя убью. А торт, кстати, уже съели. :: Мэнхэра-тян :: ⛩ / c♯

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                                                    Оффлайн Anony-mouse

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                                                    If there was a huge fortune for us, then we got rid of the Poppins. But if everything is as usual, then we elementary sawed Sherlock Watson in two.

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                                                      The vote was fixed a little.

                                                        Оффлайн Uranium235

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                                                        Please explain. As the rules for voting are:
                                                        I did not take into account that the rule of early lynch also changed. It is good that he is no more, but the essence of the explanation does not change.
                                                        After understanding that we agree to expel Drusha, a study of the one with whom he is a mafia should follow, if this is true.
                                                        We can still have this discussion now, right?
                                                        Just as an experience for tomorrow.

                                                        And I will play from the peaceful Dryusha, this is a safety technique in the mafia with dark results.
                                                        That is, all I know now is that this is not Orlando.

                                                        As you may have noticed, the number of votes against him is 5 with six voters.
                                                        That's what the game means at its full potential, although I would not say that my hint about what to do with a zero voice was not really slime.
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                                                          • Oh no, there you go, making me a liar!
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                                                          We can still have this discussion now, right?
                                                          Yup, we definitely can have it now.

                                                          Out of 6 votes for Drusha most likely Putin's vote was not counted. Otherwise, there was someone without a vote by Moreau's intimidation.
                                                          If Drusha is mafia one from Anony-mouse/Putin can be from the mafia. If Drusha is peaceful - it's getting more complicated, as I believe, then there can be an early vote from the mafia.

                                                          Drusha's vote cannot be used as an anchor for now as it is without an effect, was given at the very end of the day and didn't affect anything either. If he was mafia - Anony-mouse can be as well.

                                                          Your vote is out-of-the-crowd, but it's okayish.
                                                          I don't trust nobody and nobody trusts me
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